Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2015] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[Leoat12]

It was announced before when it was ending that there was going to be a mini series in the Spring about Boruto from one of Kishi assistants. I'm not sure what the confusion is....

I don't know either...
And really, I think I never said it here, but this name, Boruto, reminds me that many parodies people did of Naruto. Kishimoto should have been a bit more creative. Well, it was the final chapter, he was not giving a shit anymore...

 

[RafaFedKilla]

I don't know either...
And really, I think I never said it here, but this name, Boruto, reminds me that many parodies people did of Naruto. Kishimoto should have been a bit more creative. Well, it was the final chapter, he was not giving a shit anymore...

Yeah, I mean Manganewsjapon, Animenewsnetwoek all reported the same thing independently. It's like people are looking for debate.

 

[Leoat12]

Yeah, I mean Manganewsjapon, Animenewsnetwoek all reported the same thing independently. It's like people are looking for debate.

People ARE looking for debate... I post a poll about the magazines without any malice, just because I found interesting and it was enough to make a PhD thesis about how it is wrong. I stopped. Now it is really true.

 

[Bigivelfhq]

People ARE looking for debate... I post a poll about the magazines without any malice, just because I found interesting and it was enough to make a PhD thesis about how it is wrong. I stopped. Now it is really true.

If you had read your so called "PhD thesis" you would know that the "how it is wrong" was only the first paragraph. The rest was saying that yes, Weekly Shonen Jump is obviously the most influential Manga Magazine!

Also it doesn't matter if you post with our without malice a certain information, other people can call it off for its reliability. And that poll reliability isn't up to debate, 100 people isn't in any way or form a representation of Japan population, 127 Million, or even the Japanese manga readers, Weekly Shonen Jump alone prints 2.6 Million copies per week.

I don't know how many votes 1 person could make in Soul Catcher(S) poll, but even if each person voted 100 times there were 350 people voting. 3.5 times more than that "Japan Most Influential Manga Magazine"!

 

[meeedoooz]

Kishimoto should have been a bit more creative. Well, it was the final chapter, he was not giving a shit anymore...

really wish you start these sentences with " i think " or "imo" . imo the final chapter was amazing

anywho, what chapter was it for toriko that got ranked this week ?

 

[WyldViolet]

really wish you start these sentences with " i think " or "imo" . imo the final chapter was amazing

anywho, what chapter was it for toriko that got ranked this week ?

I don't understand sentiments like this.
I know a lot of people here like to act like quality is wholly subjective, but I find that to be a ridiculous opinion.
If quality was entirely subjective, then that leaves room for movies like The Room or artists like The Shaggs to be seen as "good" when in literally all technical aspects the projects are entirely devoid of quality.
Art is only subjective to a certain degree, there are universal criteria and guidelines for critiquing art, which makes it a partially objectively critiqueable medium.
Naruto has also never been good, but it was only mediocre for part 1 before it fell off the deep end. Nostalgia goggles seem to blind others perceptions of its actual quality.

 

[Leoat12]

I was only talking about "Boruto" name, not the entire chapter. As I said, people look for debate without any reason, even reaching the point to cut half of my post to find something to argue... However, I agree with the post above.

 

[meeedoooz]

I don't understand sentiments like this.
I know a lot of people here like to act like quality is wholly subjective, but I find that to be a ridiculous opinion.
If quality was entirely subjective, then that leaves room for movies like The Room or artists like The Shaggs to be seen as "good" when in literally all technical aspects the projects are entirely devoid of quality.
Art is only subjective to a certain degree, there are universal criteria and guidelines for critiquing art, which makes it a partially objectively critiqueable medium.
Naruto has also never been good, but it was only mediocre for part 1 before it fell off the deep end. Nostalgia goggles seem to blind others perceptions of its actual quality.

for the first part, you can think whatever you want to as for the second part thank you for critiquing Naruto based on the " universal criteria and guidelines ". it's always nice to see an expert using his amazing gifts.

i won't get in the " art is subjective debate for the 100th time. think what you want but please when " and if ever " you critique a series objectively say reasons or give a link to a post where you do so in the right thread. though i don't think " kishi didn't give a shit anymore " qualifies as " using universal criteria and guidelines in critiquing art "

I was only talking about "Boruto" name, not the entire chapter. As I said, people look for debate without any reason, even reaching the point to cut half of my post to find something to argue... However, I agree with the post above.

i wasn't talking about the boruto part. but rather the " he was not giving a shit anymore. " hence my response

 

[Leoat12]

i wasn't talking about the boruto part. but rather the " he was not giving a shit anymore. " hence my response

He was not giving a shit to think about a name full of meanings since it was ending anyway. Interpretation of text would avoid this discussion.
And it is obvious that it is my opinion, I didn't go there in Japan to ask Kishimoto if he cared or not.

 

[meeedoooz]

He was not giving a shit to think about a name full of meanings since it was ending anyway. Interpretation of text would avoid this discussion.
And it is obvious that it is my opinion, I didn't go there in Japan to ask Kishimoto if he cared or not.

thank you kind sir. i just wanted to see that since A LOT of people try to pass their opinions as " objective critiquing ". i don't really know how bolt's name is sounded in japanese or if the way it sounds has any special meaning nor that it should have a very special meaning. so i guess i understand that you may think kishi should have put more thought into it and named him " minatobihashirobito " or something.

 

[Nii]

Well objectivity or subjectivity isn't really the problem, the problem is people making their opinion some kind of given truth. What's objective for me might not be objective for others, something I consider subjective might be objective for others. Heck objectivity in itself is subjective to some extent, because we all grow up with different values and beliefs. People using the argument of objectivity tend to make me cringe, even more so if they act all high and mighty, like their opinion is worth more than 100 of people's thoughts combined. Everyone is free to make a joke, or to criticize a certain series, but if someone is acting like he's sitting on a throne enlightening the dumb masses it gets incredibly annoying, and I fear that's exactly what's been going on here way too many times by now. So called "experts" should try to understand that their opinion isn't flawless either, just because they might possibly know a few more things than others.

In my opinion this thread has turned into a constant fighting of the people who know it all and get out their "smart" opinions every time someone dares to make a judgement they can't agree with. People can voice their opinion, it's no reason to trash them, or to make fun of them all the time. It's making this place a lot less fun if members start getting into heated arguments each week while throwing the "universal truth" at each other, so I hope we all can relax a bit and start being less sensitive to everything we don't like.

 

[Bigivelfhq]

He was not giving a shit to think about a name full of meanings since it was ending anyway. Interpretation of text would avoid this discussion.
And it is obvious that it is my opinion, I didn't go there in Japan to ask Kishimoto if he cared or not.

But Boruto is full of meaning! Is name is Neji, but in English.

Neji = Screw = Bolt = Boruto!

His name is an homage to Neji.

 

[SharkBait]

Haikyuus color page was fantastic this week. I hope we get even more as we go through the Shiratorizawa battle.

 

[Leoat12]

I'm looking forward to seeing Shokugeki no Soma poster next week... I hope that the authors don't disappoint me.
Sure, it has to be something that can be put on the wall.

 

[SharkBait]

Looks fantastic another adaptation that is bound to be added to the best of jump list for me.

 

[RafaFedKilla]

So I guess we'll find out what Jump start series got picked up by whatever is in the mag tomorrow? Way to go. Lol

 

[Pietro]

Do you know about how much sold Pochi kuro's first volume?

 

[Lehran]

Do you know about how much sold Pochi kuro's first volume?

According to shosekiranking, it sold around 3000 copies in the first week.

Well, unless some miracle happens or Jump+ methods are totally different from WSJ's, it's not long for this world.

 

[RafaFedKilla]

I'm probably mistaken, but I think only lets Haikyuu and Kiss x Death charted on Oricon 50 fom Jump Plus.

 

[Bigivelfhq]

I'm probably mistaken, but I think only lets Haikyuu and Kiss x Death charted on Oricon 50 fom Jump Plus.

Didn't IShoujo also appeared?