Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2015] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[justanotherone]

Gintama is not really a good example to take. I think that one of the main reason it got its anime back is the number of BD/DVD that it managed to sell in the past (an avarage of 10k if I remember right). And of course the time is perfect because the manga seems to head towards its end.

 

[Bomber D Rufi]

Gintama is not really a good example to take. I think that one of the main reason it got its anime back is the number of BD/DVD that it managed to sell in the past (an avarage of 10k if I remember right). And of course the time is perfect because the manga seems to head towards its end.

This pretty much. Gintama's a weird case where the manga and anime are basically two separate entities which also share the same story and characters. There are actually people who do not read the manga for Gintama because they would rather wait for the anime, and that was even after the second movie where they made it pretty clear that for now there would be no more anime. In a way, Sorachi's more like the head producer of the anime than the creator of the series proper. Gintama keeps coming back because it's Blu ray/ DVD sales are friggin' amazing for a WSJ manga.

Strictly speaking, it seems like late night anime rely on Blu ray sales while primetime/early morning/kids anime rely on merchandising. It's why One piece remains on air despite the DVD's doing only okay. The manga sells more than enough (and ratings are good) to make up for the fact that the anime isn't actually selling that well other than movies. Maybe since WT is a low budget anime (I'm going by other's opinions here since I haven't watched it myself), the manga sales (despite not being that great) are enough for them to keep it going? In any case Gintama is unique as it's manga sales are okay, the merchandising is selling really well, and it pushes Blu rays and DVD's as well. Even though the manga is just doing "Okay" in every other aspect Gintama is a huge success so it only makes sense they keep bringing the anime back since it is actually more popular than the manga.

 

[Bigivelfhq]

I haven't watched Slam Dunk until the end, nor Gash Bell. But if they are like Toriko, then that's not an Original Ending at all. Original ending is Claymore, changing moments but no finishing the anime story, is not an "original ending".

"Why would they invest in a downhill franchise when they have a lot of better options?" because the 3rd year is not profitable at all and they are at loosing money? Do you assume that people should invest in things only if the return money are 50 times more? So if americans make a movie with 50milion budget and get 90 million profit, then make 2nd for 50 million and get 70milion profit. They won't make a 3rd, because it's a downhill franchise that isn't making 300million per movie? Because we all know it's either 300% profit or no profit, there is no gray area! A break and new anime, usually gives hype more than a 1 year of fillers. A new franchise doesn't guarantee it will do better either.

What do I need to ask? OP covers 1 chapter per episode. Extremely slow pace with low budget 15-18min episodes (rest is summary and songs). That's how. It's also from 15 years ago, managing to gather it's audience since quite some time. There is no need for each show to take that direction. Can you tell me which show from the last 2-3 or future years, can make it like OP?


"Also have you ever asked what other show of Toei stopped because it caught up to the manga and was brought back again after enough content was made? Let me tell you. None!" Give me the list of show that ended because they caught up to the manga and not because they ended for another reason. Because not having such case, doesn't mean: they had 20 cases like that and didn't continue it. And we will see how popular were those cases like Toriko. And even if there is non, that is some sort of a guarantee that it won't continue? Really? How about WT? It's getting close to the manga, it will stop and a new anime will start (there may not be really a break, but it technically ends due to catching up, and a new will start and it's not a simple "extending" into 2nd year).

Whatever the name you want to call it. What matter is that they changed stuff in the end and made it seem conclusive enough.

Your Movie examples have nothing to do with this situation. Is not about making a movie that gives profit even if lesser than previous iterations, but about only having one spot to do something and having to choose between: a new movie of a declining franchise, a new movie of a promising source, a new movie of a old but mega popular franchise, a new movie of totally original creation.
Is pretty obvious that a spent movie franchise is the worst of the choices. If you can get an hand of the other options there is no reason at all for you to go for that, is pretty simple logic.

OP only started covering 1 chapter per episode at Thriller Bark at episode 337! At episode 147(where Toriko ended) One Piece was in Jaya.
What make you think that Toriko had a bigger budget than One Piece?
As you said the big difference is that One Piece was able to gather it's audience since the beginning, in other words, it was way more popular, and for that same reason Toriko anime continuing later is unlikely.
Yep, there is a need for series to take One Piece direction! A company, specially one that does long running anime, wants their series to live a long life and bringing big profits. Toriko indeed compared with other series lived a pretty long life, I don't think it will be extended anymore than this.

The question of who can make it like One Piece is a totally incorrect one to do. One Piece broke Toei record of longest running series of the company, by running longer than Dragon Ball's 10 years, and note that Toei started in 1956, 59 years ago, and there is nothing that did better than One Piece in all this years.
What we're discussing isn't if anybody can do such a feat, but the fact that One Piece surpassed Toriko episode number even starting with a shorter buffer and so the excuse of because it caught up makes no sense. Naruto and Bleach started with a similar buffer than Toriko and they ran for way longer.
Hero Academia can possible run more years than Toriko, but there is still a lot to come for that to even be a possibility.

World Trigger case is not the same as Toriko. World Trigger is catching to the manga and they are making filler, a new series. Toriko Stopped! This is the all point of my argument, that if they wanted to continue with Toriko they would continue it in some way, but they didn't. Stopping now to return later isn't something that is made. And so is improbable to start to be now.

Let's see long running series(1 year or more) that Toei adapted from manga from 1980s to 2015:
1- World Trigger(50 episodes + an original series in fall, basically filler since there will not be any break).
2- Toriko(147 episodes)
3- Asataro, the Onion Samurai(48 episodes)
4- My 3 Sisters(141 episodes)
5- Beet, The Vandel Buster(77 episodes)
6- Bobobo-bo bo-bobo(76 episodes)
7- Gash Bell(150 episodes)
8- One Piece(702 episodes for now)
9- Jeanne, the Kamikaze Thief(44 episodes)
10- Kindaichi Cade Files(148 episodes(1997-2000) + 25 episodes(2014, 14 years later) + 3rd season in Fall)
11- Hano Yori Dango(51 episodes)
12- Hell teacher Nube(49 episodes)
13- Neighborhood Story(50 episodes)
14- Marmalade Boy(76 episodes)
15- Shoot!!(58 episodes)
16- Slam Dunk(101 episodes)
17- Ghost Sweeper Mikami(45 episodes)
18- Sailor Moon(200 episodes)
19- Dragon Quest(46 episodes)
20- Magical Taluluto(87 episodes)
21- Kariage-Kun(59 episodes)
22- Otoko Juku(34 episodes)
23- Lady Lady!(57 episodes)
24- Saint Seiya(114 episodes(1986-1989) + 13 episodes(2002-2003, 13 years later) + 6 episodes(2005-2006, 2 years later) + 6 episodes(2006-2007) + 6 episodes(2008))
25- Dragon Ball(508 episodes)
26- Step, Jun(45 episodes)
27- Hokuto no Ken(152 episodes)
28- Gu-Gu Ganmo(50 episodes)
29- Wingman(47 episodes)
30- Kinnikuman(137 episodes(1983-1986) + 46 episodes(1991-1992, 5 years later) + 51 episodes(2002, 10 years later) + 13 episodes(2006, 4 years later))
31- The Pumpkin Wine(95 episodes)
32- Patalliro(49 episodes)
33- Super Gal Asari(54 episodes)
34- Dr. Slump(243 episodes)

From 35 years and 34 long running series adapted from manga, you have that only 3 long running series had a break and than returned to continue where they stopped; and it took 5, 13 and 14 years for that to happen. From those 3, Kindaichi Shonen Jikenbo went constantly to hiatus(like Togashi) and only returned in a some kind of constant manner now. Still the 3, Kindaichi, Saint Seiya and Kinnikuman are Mega hits of their respective time. While one can call Toriko a hit series, it certainly isn't something like Kindaichi, Saint Seiya and Kinnikuman.

From the series that had a remake; it takes around 10+ years for that to be made, and only happened to mega popular series, in those 35 years only:
- Sally the Witch
- The Secret of Akko-Chan
- Gegege No Kitaro
- Tiger Mask
- Cutey Honey
- Dr. Slump
- Dragon Ball
- Sailor Moon
(Saint Seiya had some kind of a remake with Omega)

 

[chrisbj]

Bleach should be getting a cover page soon right?

 

[Unok]

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Conclusive enough for what? 1st Part? Yes, and so they did state it's the end of the human world arc. Most of the time, when anime studio say something like that, it's continued. When they don't add any message or write "end", it's understandable that it may not be continued, but majority of the time when there is "end of part 1" or "to be continued" it's being continued.

Okay, how about I gave same example for a TV Show? For an anime? If it's profitable enough, it will be made. It doesn't need to be super profitable to be made. "Promising" or not, there is no guarantee it will make sales. When on existing franchise you know what to except. The question is if that's satisfying or they prefer taking the risk. And they can easily do both. Toei doesn't have only 1 anime per season (excluding OP).

I still don't get why you are involving OP length. Even if they cover 10 chapters, it doesn't really matter. They started getting close, so they started getting slower pace. What that proves, and did you plan to point out? That OP sales much more, no shit.

And where did I say Toriko had bigger budged? Since OP was more popular, Toriko won't continue? Really? *rofl* What I meant is that OP is old, it's build it's fanbase for 15 years. And it's quite profitable, if it wasn't that much, it also would have been stopped at some point and then continued when there is enough material. It's ridiculous if you compare profits for OP and Toriko. But like I said so many times, it doesn't need to be profitable like OP to receive another anime. Otherwise we may not get new season for lots of shows.

Yeah, obviously every studio makes endless anime like OP.

XD You are telling me that series need to take OP direction, then you are telling me that the question what it can make it like OP is incorrect. Please choose one of those 2 XD Yes, Naruto and Bleach ran longer, so what? They did it with hundreds of fillers (and most weren't well received). Like I said before, an anime doesn't need to go to that road, otherwise we would have been seeing only anime like that. The fact that we don't see it, means something. If Toei planned to extend Toriko endlessly, they would have started with the filler much earlier at places where they can easily add it (like for Ichiryuu's list), while they only added a couple of times a 2 episode fillers arcs. A show may not be profitable enough to be extended years with filler, but that doesn't mean it's not profitable enough to make a new anime about it. Take FT for example, fillers weren't profitable, they got close to the manga and ended it, and later continued it. You are quite fixated at that: if it's profitable they will run it endlessly; but that's only for really really profitable series. They had planned DB Kai 2nd part since Toriko started, they probably also planned the new DB anime during those times too. Pierrot also likes making long anime, yet the way they did Tokyo Ghoul is the opposite and it was a "promising" series for great profits. They could have also ran Kingdom for years too, but again, didn't. So like I said, not all anime need to take the endless route.

"Stopping now to return later isn't something that is made." that's nonsense. And WT is technically ending and new anime starts. I think it even had different title. So yeah it's new anime and the previous is stopping.

What is that list? Of all their shows? You said that from all those that catch up to the manga and ended, none was continued. So I asked for list of those titles, not for a list of all their long anime series which who knows for what ended. Not to mention that those aren't really long running shows. Most are 1 year and there is even 1 that is less than a year. I assume, since you didn't gave me the list I asked (but gave full list of their titles), it's because you have no such knowledge, yet you spoke about it...

And as much as you try to negate it, 3 shows were continued. It doesn't matter if it took them 5 or 10 years. Some series need time to get enough manga material (especially when they are not weekly series). And that beats your point of not having anime continued. And Omega isn't "kind of remake", but continuation.

Not to mention that from the lengthy lists, there are only are hardly shows who ran for 3 years and stopped without getting completed. And what exactly is this "my 3 sisters"? Can't find it on AniDB, Mangaupdates nor Google. And for those that continued for 3 years, the only one that wasn't continued I think it's Gash Bell. And I'm not really sure it caught up to the manga when it ended. As I'm seeing the anime is up to vol22 which chapters should have come out like a year before that. Since you said the anime original ending was like Toriko's, i.e. changing some moments to give some sort of conclusion, because if it had ending that differs from the manga and concluded the story, then it's not like Toriko ending at all.

I don't mind continue arguing, although I don't really see a point. You can't prove anything as other cases are not this case. And I'm saying that Toriko anime will come after 2 more years, so we can't really solve the argument in the next 2 years, but feel free to actually show me a list of shows that ended due catching up to the manga and didn't continue.

 

[piau9000]

Bleach should be getting a cover page soon right?

Probably. It's birthday is on 7th of August.
The cover of issue 37-38 (double issue) will be One Piece, so Bleach will probably get it on issue 39.

 

[Bigivelfhq]

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You really don't know what you're talking about right? You seem just a fan that has a desire for the series to continue and so think there is a high probability of that.
I am a huge fan of Toriko, one that defends that the anime ending is pretty good and that would really want to see a continuation, but things aren't favorable for a Toriko continuation.

Let me just say this. The only example that you have of a long running anime coming back again is Gintama, and that isn't from Toei and it was meant to not return anymore(This was officially said by the author and the studio), but it did. Gintama is the exception, not the norm.

Do you know what probability is? And what probable and improbable means? Because, from 34 series, during 35 years, only 3 series having a continuation doesn't prove in anyway that something like that happening again is probable, quite the opposite. The fact that those 3 series being way more popular and profitable than Toriko makes it even less probable to happen to it.
It seems like you think that existing one case, proves its probable. Sorry to say, it doesn't. The only thing that it does is strengthening the case of it being possible. NOTE: Probable and Possible aren't the same thing!


You at times exclude every long running anime that Toei ever had(adapted from a manga) except the ones with 3 years, in other times you use Tokyo Ghoul and Kingdom as a comparison base. This show a big degree of double standards from your part.

It doesn't matter if a anime ended closing to the where the manga was or not. An animation studio has various options to avoid catching to a manga, if the studio didn't do any of those and just ended the series, is for a reason!
Your example of Tokyo Ghoul and Kingdom also fail in this department, because they stopped not because they had caught to the manga, they didn't, but because the project was since the beginning planned to only have that quantity of episodes and ending at that point. They had another season, because that first project was successful enough for another season.
Toriko on another hand wasn't planned to end in that point since the beginning, simple because that part only existed 2 year and 8 months after the anime started.


My error with "my 3 sisters" is "my 3 daughters"(Uchi no 3 Shimai). For reliable information about a Japanese animation studio the best option is going directly to the company site and looking for their works! Here the series page -> http://corp.toei-anim.co.jp/english/film/uchi_no_san_shimai.php

For your knowledge, there isn't that many long running anime with more than 1-2 years. These kind of series are rare compared with the rest, specially the series that are adaptations. Note that Toei has titles like Digimon, Doremi and Precure that aired for more than 3 years, but they are Toei animation originals!
Toei animation, the studio with more long running anime and anime in general, has that list. List that you say that has hardly any show that ran for 3 years!

For that I will show Studio Pierrot, that is another studio that does a lot of long running, list of series with 3 or more years since 1980:
- Lum, the invader girl(Urusei Yatsura)(218 episodes)
- Naruto(640 episodes for now)
- Bleach(366 episodes)
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Yep ... that is all!

Toei animation Titles list -> http://corp.toei-anim.co.jp/english/film/genre/tv/index.php

 

[kewl0210]

On the other hand, Kingdom with its recent huge sales thanks to the Ametalk show, will probably get more/another anime at some point. I think most likely it'll just continue from where it left off, which is like half way through the current total length of the story. But some people think they'll redo the whole thing with a different studio because people didn't like the CG in the beginning, which seems kinda dumb to me.

Toriko probably won't have a new anime unless they do like an OVA or something, honestly. It still sells pretty well but anime companies rarely invest in series that are going down in popularity rather than up. Gintama was a weird fluke because the movie did WAY better than expected.

 

[Unok]

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I perfectly know what I'm talking about. I'm a fan, but I'm not a blind fan. I also don't mind Toriko not getting 2nd anime, as Toei is overall crappy studio and even though there were some really good animated episodes, there were some quite crappy too, and censorship and Tina added more bullets to the heart. I think there is hight probability, because there is. Just like there is for Bleach, Nanatsu, Magi and others. Don't try to insult me, like I'm so sort of idiot who is trying to fool himself, as you are not proving anything in the opposite.

Only Gintama you say? So I suppose Fairy Tail never returned. Oh, wait... 2nd exception? Guess Inuyasha never did too. Nor did Saint Seiya with Omega. HxH getting reboot and continuation? New Dragon Ball series? The Prince of Tennis, do I need to continue?

I know what a probability is. But do you know it's not a rule and it doesn't mean it will happen? Each case is different. And I said before, those 34 series list you gave... some of those are fully adapted. Dude. You are giving me a list of series some of which fully adapted the manga until the end and you tell me: hey they never continued this, even though it stopped because it reached the manga. Are you serious? Some of the list even went original story early in the eps (just like the case with first FMA). Toei have the habit of creating a 4 cour series (i.e. making 1 year of said anime, if it find success, they continue for 1 more year, etc). A lot of the shows you listed continued for 1 year, meaning they didn't though it's worth continuing, not because they reached the manga chapters. Toriko on other hand was continued 2 times and in the end of it's 3rd year it got very close to the manga story, so it had the choice: years of fillers (like Naruto, Bleach) or pause and eventual continuation. It's not the same case in 99% of those 34 titles list. Hell in your 34 title list, there is even One Piece, are you giving it as example that it was never continued? Or Dragon Ball? Was that too ended before covering all the story? That 34 title list doesn't prove anything, absolutely anything, as there is not a single (actually a single case at best) that is like Toriko. I asked you to give me the list that is about shows ended due to reaching the manga, you didn't, but gave me their full list of some even completed or still ongoing shows and you are telling me this is my proof? And you are telling I don't know what I talk about? Are you really sure?

You clearly didn't understood why I used Kingdom and Tokyo Ghoul. Please don't twist my words. All I said, that those are promising series and possible high sellers and Pierrot also likes making long anime, but they didn't make long anime series in THOSE 2 CASES. Meaning even if it's promising or whatever franchise, it doesn't necessary mean it have to be endless anime adaptation. While you said shows must go One Piece road. So don't twist my words please. That's actually not even twisting, but making-up words I didn't say.

But it matters, because it could have ended exactly because it got close to it. Otherwise, if the studio have various options like you said and Kindaichi was such a success, why they didn't extend it until new chapters come out? Why didn't Madhouse extend HxH until new chapters come out? because it isn't necessary or a rule. They can always end and continue it at later there. There is no rule forbidding them to do that. And in Toriko case, like I said, they almost didn't add fillers, there was no need to add years of fillers. It's not as popular as Naruto, so it can't run 2 years of fillers. Toriko was planned to end at ~50 eps or extended for another, got extended, then got extended again, caught up and had to end. No matter how much you try to twist it, that's a fact, because it truly caught up.

Sorry, I don't wish to go through of a large list of shows, especially when you gave me wrong name and would have need to guess what you may had in mind there. Also 141 episodes of 15 or so books. It's beyond clear that it isn't following the manga. And you are giving me that as example of never continued? Really? 15 vols are like 39 normal eps. 50 if you extend it a little.

"For your knowledge" you don't say... you assume you are the most knowledgeable person or something? And other people can't know anything? Yes I said it, and will say it again. Your 34 title list had barely any series that ran for 3 or more years. Is that a lie? No, it isn't, but a fact.

"Also have you ever asked what other show of Toei stopped because it caught up to the manga and was brought back again after enough content was made? Let me tell you. None!" this are your words. I'm repeating them as you obviously try to avoid them now. You try giving me list of 34 titles, some with original story, some still ongoing, lots not ended because they caught up to the manga. So give me a proper list of what you said, not full list to their catalog of titles with XX number of eps. Until then you can't prove your point of large list of "None!" continued. And until then, there is not really any reason for me to continue. So if you don't give me such list, I won't continue this argument any more.

 

[ElJin]

All Weekly Jump Comics of next month:

Gintama 60:

Nisekoi 19:

Haikyuu!! 17:

Saiki Kusuo no Sainan 14:

Kagamigami 02:

Black Clover 02:

Naruto Gaiden ~Nanadaime Hokage to Aka-iro no Hanatsu Tsuki~ 01:

*Thanks to kaizou_10

 

[Heiji]

*Thanks to kaizou_10

Already post by Redon & Animeland.

 

[ElJin]

Already post by Redon & Animeland.

Here? Because my source is the comment of kaizou_10 in LiveJournal.

 

[Heiji]

https://mangahelpers.com/forum/show...hread-Part-1?p=4061739&viewfull=1#post4061739

 

[TXC]

Another great nisekoi cover, with cp incoming and ova already announced adding to the solid rankings it continues to get (insert comment about users sadness) it continues pretty solid.

 

[Bigivelfhq]

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"Also have you ever asked what other show of Toei stopped because it caught up to the manga and was brought back again after enough content was made? Let me tell you. None!" this are your words. I'm repeating them as you obviously try to avoid them now. You try giving me list of 34 titles, some with original story, some still ongoing, lots not ended because they caught up to the manga. So give me a proper list of what you said, not full list to their catalog of titles with XX number of eps. Until then you can't prove your point of large list of "None!" continued. And until then, there is not really any reason for me to continue. So if you don't give me such list, I won't continue this argument any more.

I gave you Toei's entire list of long running titles adapted from manga(original series not included) since 1980 and showed that only 3 titles came back!
The Shows "that Toei stopped because it caught up to the manga and was brought back again after enough content was made" are a subset of that. So, only 3 titles or less came back. Or don't you understand that when you filter that list to conform to that specification you're making the list shorter?

Saint Seiya -> Caught up in 1989 during volume 18 where anime ended, Manga ended 2 years later(1991), Anime returned 11 years later(2002) as OVAs that later aired in TV(Toei site treats it as TV anime, but in reality is an OVA) . Adapted the entirety of the series.

Kinnikuman -> Caught up in 1985 during volume 23 and continued with filler for 1 entire year(1986) where the anime ended, Manga ended 2 years later(1988), Anime returned 3 years later(1991) and adapted the entirety of the series, Manga returned in 2010 and is still ongoing; there is no anime continuation of that.

Kindaichi Shounen Jikenbo -> Manga went to hiatus somewhere in volume 8, released in July 2000, of "Kindaichi New series", Anime caught up in September 2000 where the anime ended, Volume 9 and 10 only came up 7 months later(so 4-5 months hiatus) in February 2001(both at the same time) and series went to hiatus again, Returned 4 years later in December of 2004 for just 1 volume, Returned 2 years later in 2006, Went again to hiatus in 2013, Returned 9 months later(5-6 months hiatus) in 2014 with new name(Kindaichi Returns), 2-cour Seasonal Anime started in 2014 for Kindaichi Returns and in that manner leaving behind 21 volumes not adapted to anime, 2nd season planned for Fall 2015 of Kindaichi Returns.


So we have that Saint Seiya in reality came back as OVAs, and Kindaichi that stopped due to hiatus and right now the new series of the franchise is being adapted but as a seasonal anime. Kinnikuman is the most similar series to Toriko situation, though it got an 1 year filler(2 arcs) after catching up.
Both Kinnikuman and Saint Seiya didn't got an anime continuation after getting enough material, but only after the anime ended, and a lot later. Saint Seiya 11 years after the manga ended and Kinnikuman 3 years. If Toriko is anything like both of those series it only have an adaptation a lot of years after ending.

Since 1980 to now, there really isn't any anime that stopped because it caught up and returned because there was enough content! If that happens to Toriko is an unprecedented things in 35 years.
For no more complain that I didn't put any data from before 1980 and I didn't talked about the short running anime(seasonals). I will look into them, and post in another post, just wait for it!

Your series
Fairy Tail -> Change of animation partner. From Satelight to Bridge. Author knew about this and tweeted almost as soon as the announcement of the series ending became public.
Inuyasha -> 1 more case.
HxH -> Change of Copyright holder, from Nippon Animation to Madhouse. The story was remade not continued!
Saint Seiya Omega -> Not a manga continuation!
Dragon Ball Super -> Not a manga continuation!
Prince of Tennis -> continued as OVAs not TV anime.

You just added Inuyasha to your list!

 

[Unok]

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You stated that none was continued. Then you provide that 3 returned (sounds like you are contradicting yourself, but ofc all that is not in your favour is "exceptions"). I asked you about a list, to see how many cases are similar to Toriko (i.e. caught up and stopped). You didn't provide to defend your words. Instead you went on another road showing me a lengthy list of titles that do not fit what we talk about. You continued talking about those 34 titles (even again specified that number) as a proof of your words that none came back. Yet lots of those titles are way off of what we talk about (starting with OP being in that list or others ending for obvious different reasons). As you didn't provide the list I asked you 3 times already, it's beyond clear that you can't defend your words, nor your whole theory which is based on that. And why you went and showed me a lengthy list? Because if you actually tried to give me what I ask about and what you talked about, you would have given me a list of 1-2 titles at max. Which is something on which you can't base you "probability" and because I can also easily call those cases "exceptions" like you love doing.

You can try and make up excuses to ignore the titles I said. FT ended and got continued, that is a fact. HxH was restarted because they wanted to gain new fans, as less people would have jumped on the ship "Hunter x Hunter" if the story started at the middle. It also CONTINUED the story and showed Chimera Arc. So it was continued. PoT - you didn't specify it have to be TV, also one of the continuation of PoT is a TV series. I can give more examples, but there is totally no need for that, as even if you accept Inuyasha only, even that alone is enough to make your words incorrect and that Gintama is the only one. And again your theory was based on another inaccurate fact.

Like I said, I don't need to continue listing shows, as Inuyasha alone is enough, but since you also plan on adding it as "exceptions" or something and asked to give, here are some more: Hajime no Ippo, Captain Tsubasa, Lupin and Ashita no Joe. Feel free to ignore them for some reason or add them as "exceptions" too.

I think our conversation has come to an end, as you couldn't give me the list I asked 3 times for you to prove your point, nor your "Gintama is the only one" came to be true. So, have a nice day.

 

[Bigivelfhq]

Toei animation long running anime, adapted from manga, from 1960 to 1970:

- Galaxy Express 999(21 volume Manga from 1977 to 1987, 113 episodes TV anime from 1978 to 1981, 6 episodes ONA from 2002 to 2004)
- Space Pirate CAPTAIN HARLOCK(5 volume manga from 1977 to 1979, 42 episodes TV anime from 1978 to 1979)
- Candy Candy(9 volume manga from 1975 to 1979, 115 episodes TV anime from 1976 to 1979) Note: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2003-09-13
- Mazinger Z(10 volume manga from 1972 to 1974, 92 episodes TV anime from 1972 to 1974)
- Tiger Mask(14 volume manga from 1968 to 1971, 105 episodes TV anime from 1969 to 1971, 33 episodes TV anime from 1981 to 1982(Tiger Mask II))
- Moretsu Atarou(12 volumes manga from 1967-1970, 90 episodes TV anime from 1969 to 1970, 34 episodes TV anime in 1990)
- The Secret of Akko-chan(3 volume manga from 1962 to 1965, 94 episodes TV anime from 1969 to 1970, 61 episodes TV anime from 1988 to 1989, 44 episodes TV anime from 1998 to 1999)
- Gegege no Kitaro(9 volumes manga from 1960 to 1969, 65 episodes TV anime from 1968 to 1969, 45 episodes TV anime from 1971 to 1972, 108 episodes TV anime from 1985 to 1988, 114 episodes TV anime from 1996 to 1998, 100 episodes TV anime from 2007 to 2009, 11 episodes TV anime in 2008(Hakaba no Kitaro))
- Sally, the Witch(1 volume manga from 1966 to 1967, 109 episodes TV anime from 1966 to 1968, 88 episodes TV anime from 1989 to 1991)


From all this series none of them went on break to wait for enough content and then got back.


Toei anime short running anime, adapted from manga, from 2015 to 1970:
Coming soon.

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I'm seeing that you're the deafest person in the planet Earth. Didn't I said time and time again, that the list I gave you ARE ALL THE LONG RUNNING SERIES ADAPTATIONS FROM MANGA THAT TOEI DID SINCE 1985!!!
I Didn't gave you a random list of 34 series. The 34 series are all the series Toei did. And the special case you're asking is part of the list I gave. Or are you arguing that they aren't? Explain why they aren't.

You also seem to have reading comprehension! I said, "what other show of Toei stopped because it caught up to the manga and was brought back again after enough content was made? Let me tell you. None!".
Saint Seiya, Kinnikuman and Kindaichi don't contradict what I said here. The thing here is not about a series coming back later, but a series coming back after getting enough content! Nor Saint Seiya, nor Kinnikuman nor Kindaichi came back when they had enough content to adapt. They didn't even came back after their series ended, but only a lot of years after that. Basically only after at least 1 generation later(1 Generation = 5 years).

Also I don't know why you focus so much in that sentence, when is obvious I said it pretty vaguely. Funny is that you argued that sentence was wrong with "show me", when you should yourself prove me wrong.
It was me that took the effort to check if what I was saying was right! It shouldn't be, because here you're the one saying that what will POSSIBLY to Toriko is HIGHLY PROBABLE.

Proving that sentence is wrong doesn't change in nothing my main argument! That the probability of Toriko getting a continuation after Dragon Ball Super is slim.






So Fairy Tail Studio Bailing out and Hunter x Hunter changing studios don't have any say in the "Toriko will have a Toei animation adaptation after Dragon Ball Super"? And I thought that the animation studio, that are the ones waiting, was the key point in the conversation.
Now I want prove of this "was restarted because they wanted to gain new fans, as less people would have jumped on the ship "Hunter x Hunter" if the story started at the middle", I want a reliable source!

We are talking of Toriko returning as a TV anime after Dragon Ball Super, did you already forgot what is the all point of this discussion? How is Prince of the Tennis returning as a OVA series has anything to do with what we're talking? What got another TV animation was New Prince of Tennis and not Prince of Tennis. Last time I looked Toriko didn't had a sequel series.
At that point in time Gintama was your only series! Am I some kind of clairvoyant that know what you gonna bring in the table in the future?
Did I ever said that Gintama was the only case of an anime returning? NO, I didn't! What I said is that is rare, and so improbable to happen to Toriko and that your defense was all made just with Gintama. And it was!
Adding Inuyasha doesn't change anything. Now your defense is just made with Inuyasha and Gintama. Show me that something like this is a pretty frequent occurrence and not something that sometimes happens. Remember your case was that it was highly probable that this was what was happening to Toriko!

Hajime no Ippo series didn't ended because it caught up with the series! Madhouse ended the series in volume 31, but the manga was already at volume 60. They had content to adapt another 76 episodes at the pacing they were going.
The second adaptation wasn't a continuation either, it jumped 14 volumes(volume 45) and ended at volume 47, when the manga at the time already had 84 volumes.
The third adaptation indeed continued from where the second left of, but it ended when it had a ton of content left, 45 volumes.
Hajime no Ippo is totally irrelevant to this discussion!

Captain Tsubasa returned as an OVA not a TV anime, and only 1 year after the manga ended. All the rest is an OVA of the spin-off, 1 mix remake and an anime series of the sequel manga!
Captain Tsubasa is also totally irrelevant to this discussion! Remember, you're not defending that Toriko can have a remake or an OVA somewhere in the future!

Lupin anime doesn't follow the manga, so this is also Irrelevant. Before you also say Ghost in the Shell, I warn you this: Is the same thing as Lupin. The TV anime series don't follow the manga.
Remember, Your defense is: Toriko anime follows the manga and that is the reason why it stopped, because is waiting for material to return.

How is Ashita no Joe an example of a series that stopped because it caught out and waited for enough content when the 2nd anime came 7 years after the manga ended? What where they doing in those 7 years?
Remember, your defense is: Toriko is returning after Dragon Ball Super because is just waiting for enough content. This being the case is highly probable.

You ask me for specifics, even when I already explained why isn't needed, and then you just throw every series that has a 2nd series/season? Will you start also to throw the names of seasonal series with 2,3,4 seasons?
How does any of those series you said help in your case? How does they relate with increasing Toriko chances of returning after enough content is gathered? Nothing.

It seems like we are arguing 2 completely different things. You that someday in some form, doesn't matter how much time passes or how deformed it will be, Toriko will return. And me that Toriko just waiting for content to return, and that will specifically return after Dragon Ball Super ends is highly improbable.

I was going to fetch the short series of Toei, but I'm not gonna do it, they are pretty irrelevant for the conversation. If you want to know go look yourself. I already gave you the link.

Warning: Show me a strong case proving the High frequency of cases like Toriko, or why Toriko is in this case, or I will not respond anymore! I already put to much effort into this.

 

[Mammo]

goodbye pochi kuro, nice knowing yah

Matsumoto-sensei next manga better be in the main magazine or we riot (& by riot I mean writing several angry posts on tumblr.....SEVERAL!!!)

 

[WyldViolet]

goodbye pochi kuro, nice knowing yah

Matsumoto-sensei next manga better be in the main magazine or we riot (& by riot I mean writing several angry posts on tumblr.....SEVERAL!!!)

Dude what? Pochikuro (and iShoujo) was probably the only decent series running in Jump+...

 

[SharkBait]

Dude what? Pochikuro (and iShoujo) was probably the only decent series running in Jump+...

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