Team Fairy Tail Top Tiers vs. Spriggans

[Laxus chan-yo]

It wasn't a cheap shot they were fighting face to face. Just because Wahl underestimated him doesn't mean it was a cheap shot. Never stop your losing one man crusade against Laxus do ya?

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

It wasn't a cheap shot they were fighting face to face. Just because Wahl underestimated him doesn't mean it was a cheap shot. Never stop your losing one man crusade against Laxus do ya?

I won't argue on a topic that you so heavily see with tunnel vision, but don't start making sorry excuses for unexplained feats in the manga? What is wrong with Nemispelled calling the feat a cheap shot? Think about your post before you question somebody like whether they read the manga or not, as if they are dumb. It's interesting how many people say the exact same thing, yet the same old users target minorities. If you disagree, state it. Don't go in and act like you're superior.

 

[Laxus chan-yo]

Cheap shot implies trickery. It wasn't a cheap shot. Try harder to in your singlehanded crusade to defame a fictional character.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

I Think It may be Mentioned in CR Version.May be @Stormsfury Can illumine on it.

I haven't seen any explanations, so I don't need someone to explain it to me. Even if Crunchyroll negates the word "Mercury Fulminate", the word "Red Lightning" already doesn't make sense. The context of the scene already has no logic applied, plus, it is very clear that PoF and Nakama Power was involved.

 

[Brandish μ]

I don't think I've seen a boxer use a cheap shot if they knock someone out using an unfair advantage, let's say reach. I have seen cheap shots like below the belts, or after the bell hits. They are cheap-shots.

If we're calling any time someone has an advantage a cheap shot we should look no further than Gray v Mard, who had a certified advantage against demons. He even hit Mard while Mard was fighting Natsu. Laxus at least charged Wahl head on. If we're calling these things cheap-shots now, Gray's effort is more of a cheap shot. I don't call either a cheap shot, because they are in battle.

 

[Aizen]

i am going to make my list more simple i believe Laxus and Natsu(FDK mode without Igneel power) are on par with the Spriggans if not maybe slightly higher depending on matchups, Gildarts i will not rate as i have no idea how powerful he will be, Mira,Gray,Gajeel are all imo on Erza's level so i believe that none of them could defeat a Spriggan 1 vs 1 in less they had a huge matchup advantage but they could do decent and hold there own. i will not speculate on matchups as it is impossible to say how all their powers would interact.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

The misunderstanding with the term "cheap shot" here is that Nemispelled was saying that Laxus' win against Wahl was done with a cheap shot by the author. In other words, the battle favored Laxus rather than Wahl. Why? Because Hiro Mashima has his reasons for doing so... There is no mistake for the definition of "cheap shot" here... Laxus won because he had to. Because he was Laxus... You guys are clearly know what the person meant by that word. I never thought I'd have to go as far as to explain such a ridiculously simple word, especially after I already gave 3 definitions. Two of them formally corresponds to the context in which the term was used. The last one clearly explains it. Instead of arguing and deviating from the subject, let's get to the bottom of it.

I don't think I've seen a boxer use a cheap shot if they knock someone out using an unfair advantage, let's say reach. I have seen cheap shots like below the belts, or after the bell hits. They are cheap-shots.

If we're calling any time someone has an advantage a cheap shot we should look no further than Gray v Mard, who had a certified advantage against demons. He even hit Mard while Mard was fighting Natsu. Laxus at least charged Wahl head on. If we're calling these things cheap-shots now, Gray's effort is more of a cheap shot. I don't call either a cheap shot, because they are in battle.

Except, the "cheap shot" here doesn't mean an advantage... If anything, Wahl had the advantage here... Not Laxus. Laxus is at the disadvantage which further supports the topic at hand. By the way, Laxus is not the only one who has a cheap shot. Gray with Ice Devil Slaying Magic is far from being a cheap shot, but you already acknowledged that.

 

[Nemispelled]

You guys want to know something?

It's really funny that the moderators don't post a whole speech about "Off-Topic Discussions" when the thread goes in their favor.

(Not pointing to any specific moderator, so calm down)

But since this is off topic, I'm going to post this anyways:

* To the moderators - If you see this as unfitting for this thread, feel free to move it where you like. I couldn't care any less.


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I was just stating my opinion on this thread, but clearly, some of you don't know anything about Red Lightning and Mercury Fulminate.



Mercury Fulminate, Hg(CNO)2 , doesn't change the properties of lightning. It doesn't matter the type, color, size, speed, voltage, magnitude, or charge. Lightning is lightning.


Hg(CNO)2 is used for triggering explosives. It is an explosive salt compound... it doesn't take the form of lightning.


Laxus has nothing to do with explosives. Wahl is immune to all forms of lightning, so it makes it logically impossible for Laxus to beat him.

Hg(CNO)2 would make more sense if Jackal used it in Tartaros. Unlike Laxus, Jackal has Bomb Curse spells...real explosives.



I'm going to ask you a single question. I don't want any BS or explanations...

Answer the question directly as it is asked or you forfeit your side of the argument.



Conditions:

- After this post, you got 3 posts to explain yourselves. Choose whoever you want to explain and use whatever science or explanation you have.

- If you cannot give me a direct answer after your 3 posts, I will no longer bother to look at any of your explanations that you have afterwards.



Question: How does Mercury (II) Fulminate make Red Lightning not lightning?



Wahl is immune to lightning. Mashima stated this.

The only way for Laxus to beat Wahl would be to not use lightning. Therefore, answer the question..

If you don't get it, I'm not going to bother explaining it to you....

 

[Firepower]

Some mages in Fairy Tail are ranked by some of you at Spriggan tier. So I was wondering who do you think can take which Spriggan down.

So this are the Fairy Tail mages who are mostly ranked at Spriggan tier:

Laxus
Natsu
Gildarts
Mirajane
Gajeel
Gray

And this are the Spriggans we've seen fighting so far:

God Serena
Ajeel
Wahl
Di Maria
Jacob

Here are my guesses:

Laxus > Ajeel, Wahl

Natsu > Ajeel, Wahl

Gildarts > Ajeel, Wahl, Jacob

Mirajane > Ajeel, Jacob

Gajeel > None

Gray > Ajeel, Jacob

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Further rules:

- Di Maria may not use her Time Stop Ability.

- Natsu may go FDKM, DF, FLDM or whatever form he ever used.

- Gray may use his DeS form.

- Gajeel may use ISDM.

- Laxus may use Red Lightning.

- No PoF.

I will edit this thread once new Spriggans are shown.

I'd say Gajeel is about the same as Natsu, maybe a hair behind only. So he'd beat Wahl. Actually he would eat Wahl because he is made of metal. lol

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You guys want to know something?

It's really funny that the moderators don't post a whole speech about "Off-Topic Discussions" when the thread goes in their favor.

(Not pointing to any specific moderator, so calm down)

But since this is off topic, I'm going to post this anyways:

* To the moderators - If you see this as unfitting for this thread, feel free to move it where you like. I couldn't care any less.


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I was just stating my opinion on this thread, but clearly, some of you don't know anything about Red Lightning and Mercury Fulminate.



Mercury Fulminate, Hg(CNO)2 , doesn't change the properties of lightning. It doesn't matter the type, color, size, speed, voltage, magnitude, or charge. Lightning is lightning.


Hg(CNO)2 is used for triggering explosives. It is an explosive salt compound... it doesn't take the form of lightning.


Laxus has nothing to do with explosives. Wahl is immune to all forms of lightning, so it makes it logically impossible for Laxus to beat him.

Hg(CNO)2 would make more sense if Jackal used it in Tartaros. Unlike Laxus, Jackal has Bomb Curse spells...real explosives.



I'm going to ask you a single question. I don't want any BS or explanations...

Answer the question directly as it is asked or you forfeit your side of the argument.



Conditions:

- After this post, you got 3 posts to explain yourselves. Choose whoever you want to explain and use whatever science or explanation you have.

- If you cannot give me a direct answer after your 3 posts, I will no longer bother to look at any of your explanations that you have afterwards.



Question: How does Mercury (II) Fulminate make Red Lightning not lightning?



Wahl is immune to lightning. Mashima stated this.

The only way for Laxus to beat Wahl would be to not use lightning. Therefore, answer the question..

If you don't get it, I'm not going to bother explaining it to you....

Quit being a brat. Just leave

 

[Axiomus]

Machina as a species were vulnerable to electricity because they are machines, and electricity messes with circuitry. Wahl makes up for this by making it so that he can turn electricity into power for himself. Laxus got around that with red lightning either by:
1) Creating a type of lightning that is different enough from normal lightning that Wahl can no longer convert it into power.
2) Having a type of lightning so strong it overloads Wahl's system despite his defenses
3) A combination of the above.

Either way, I wouldn't say that Laxus was weaker than Wahl. Laxus was actually keeping up with Wahl, and even managed to land a few hits against assault mode. He didn't succumb to his injuries either. He collapsed because his organs were failing, and he was in fighting shape after Wahl cleared the particles. Even if you say his victory was the result of an advantage, that doesn't change the fact he kept up with Wahl until the very end when he utilized that advantage.

What I'm interested in seeing is how someone can justify anyone else being stronger than Wahl if they argue that Laxus wasn't. Laxus has the 2nd best damage feat out of anyone on Fairy Tail's list, and hands down the best durability feats.

 

[Nemispelled]

Quit being a brat. Just leave

By replying to my post you literally just wasted 1 out of the 3 posts. But I'll be nice and bring the count back up to 3 posts left.

What I'm interested in seeing is how someone can justify anyone else being stronger than Wahl if they argue that Laxus wasn't. Laxus has the 2nd best damage feat out of anyone on Fairy Tail's list, and hands down the best durability feats.

Nobody said that Laxus' power is lower than Wahl. You are in the wrong thread, this isn't a power level discussion. This is a battle.

Laxus by default loses to Wahl, not because of his power, but because of Wahl's immunity to lightning.

Just like how a regular fire wizard cannot beat a fire dragon slayer unless he/she outclasses the dragon slayer in hand-to-hand combat.



So to answer your question, nobody needs to justify that somebody can beat Wahl, but Laxus can't. Laxus simply loses because he cannot physically bypass the immunity to lightning.

On the other hand, another mage can easily defeat Wahl because the advantages are completely level. In other words, Laxus has more power than Wahl, but cannot win a battle against Wahl simply because of Wahl's immunity to lightning.

 

[Axiomus]

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So to answer your question, nobody needs to justify that somebody can beat Wahl, but Laxus can't. Laxus simply loses because he cannot physically bypass the immunity to lightning.

On the other hand, another mage can easily defeat Wahl because the advantages are completely level. In other words, Laxus has more power than Wahl, but cannot win a battle against Wahl simply because of Wahl's immunity to lightning.

But he can. He did.

Also, what do you mean by "easily"? I doubt there's anyone that can easily take out Wahl.

 

[Firepower]

Wow you're being nice in the middle of this? Thanks. You sure don't hold up to your words well. Keep telling yourself Laxus can't beat Wahl, after he did. I think it's time you get some fresh air. The truth hurts, but you need to accept who won. Man up. Excuses don't get you anywhere in life.

 

[Nemispelled]

Wow you're being nice in the middle of this? Thanks. You sure don't hold up to your words well. Keep telling yourself Laxus can't beat Wahl, after he did. I think it's time you get some fresh air. The truth hurts, but you need to accept who won. Man up. Excuses don't get you anywhere in life.

I didn't count your post because I'm giving others a chance to counter my question. As of yet, nobody has been able to counter that post. Go ahead and be sore about it, but I haven't heard an actual answer from you. Is it because you aren't up to the challenge to answer my question?

 

[Firepower]

Alright guys, there was no need to prove anything to someone making rules as if anyone had to answer him. This is a place for fans to discuss about the manga we enjoy. Not about trying to covince someone who makes up all these conditions for us to answer. No one likes that. They are free to be as delusional as they want. It doesn't change anything about us. He got his own problems to deal with I don't know why, but negativity is like a magnet to me, that makes me want to bully the bully. We all can make as much comments as we want and it shouldn't be imposed that if you can't convince someone in three posts he or she is out. No one is forced to read or convince anyone. Reality and fantasy, some can't break out of their fantasy world they're living in their head.

 

[Nemispelled]

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 4, 2016, Original Post Date: Apr 4, 2016 ---

But he can. He did.

Also, what do you mean by "easily"? I doubt there's anyone that can easily take out Wahl.

Acnologia can easily take out Wahl. And what the hell do you mean when you say, "Also, what do you mean by easily?". It's english dude. I mean that somebody can take Wahl out with no effort.

Laxus only did because the chapter defied logic. Are you telling me that you agree with that chapter's logic?

For somebody like you who prides himself with proof and evidence, do you really dare to tell me that Red Lightning makes sense??

If you think so, go ahead and answer my question... if you fail to make sense while answering my question, I will count it as a strike.

I answered yours without a problem, only because I told the truth from an unbiased point of view.

 

[Axiomus]

Acnologia can easily take out Wahl. And what the hell do you mean when you say, "Also, what do you mean by easily?". It's english dude. I mean that somebody can take Wahl out with no effort.

Laxus only did because the chapter defied logic. Are you telling me that you agree with that chapter's logic?

For somebody like you who prides himself with proof and evidence, do you really dare to tell me that Red Lightning makes sense??

If you think so, go ahead and answer my question... if you fail to make sense while answering my question, I will count it as a strike.

I answered yours without a problem, only because I told the truth from an unbiased point of view.

Acnologia isn't in this thread. Who do you think can easily take out Wahl?

Didn't I already explain how Laxus beat Wahl?

Machina as a species were vulnerable to electricity because they are machines, and electricity messes with circuitry. Wahl makes up for this by making it so that he can turn electricity into power for himself. Laxus got around that with red lightning either by:
1) Creating a type of lightning that is different enough from normal lightning that Wahl can no longer convert it into power.
2) Having a type of lightning so strong it overloads Wahl's system despite his defenses
3) A combination of the above.

Accepting that Laxus beat Wahl with red lightning, however you want to justify it, makes a lot more sense to me than pretending that it didn't happen. Laxus beating Wahl isn't even up for debate. In fact, in a rematch Laxus would beat Wahl with greater ease...because he already knows what spell to use.

 

[Nemispelled]

Acnologia isn't in this thread. Who do you think can easily take out Wahl?

Didn't I already explain how Laxus beat Wahl?

Accepting that Laxus beat Wahl with red lightning, however you want to justify it, makes a lot more sense to me than pretending that it didn't happen.

No, you didn't answer my question. I see nothing in your post about Mercury Fulminate, let alone Red Lightning.

You basically just explained how a Machina works, everybody knows that.

You said:

"1) Creating a type of lightning that is different enough from normal lightning that Wahl can no longer convert it into power."


Type of lightning different enough from normal lightning? What kind of explanation is that?

I see no mention of Mercury Fulminate and Red Lightning and HOW Red Lightning is different enough from normal lightning.


Sorry, but as usual, my question is not directly answered. This counts as the first strike. 2 more posts before I disengage myself from explanation against my post.

[2 Posts Left]

 

[Axiomus]

No, you didn't answer my question. I see nothing in your post about Mercury Fulminate, let alone Red Lightning.

You basically just explained how a Machina works, everybody knows that.

You said:

"1) Creating a type of lightning that is different enough from normal lightning that Wahl can no longer convert it into power."


Type of lightning different enough from normal lightning? What kind of explanation is that?

I see no mention of Mercury Fulminate and Red Lightning and HOW Red Lightning is different enough from normal lightning.


Sorry, but as usual, my question is not directly answered. This counts as the first strike. 2 more posts before I disengage myself from explanation against my post.

[2 Posts Left]

Mercury fulminate is a mistranslation. Why would I mention it?

You are talking about a series in which fire can change properties to become a solid and sand can suck a person dry. Laxus' red lightning apparently has properties different from natural lightning. How is that any different than saying that Macao's purple fire has different properties than normal fire? Is that really that big of a deal? The fact that you don't accept it doesn't change the fact that Laxus beat Wahl.

I also provided you with an alternative explanation, did I not? Perhaps Laxus' attack was simply so powerful that it overloaded Wahl's ability to convert all that power into lightning.

 

[Aizen]

No, you didn't answer my question. I see nothing in your post about Mercury Fulminate, let alone Red Lightning.

You basically just explained how a Machina works, everybody knows that.

You said:

"1) Creating a type of lightning that is different enough from normal lightning that Wahl can no longer convert it into power."


Type of lightning different enough from normal lightning? What kind of explanation is that?

I see no mention of Mercury Fulminate and Red Lightning and HOW Red Lightning is different enough from normal lightning.


Sorry, but as usual, my question is not directly answered. This counts as the first strike. 2 more posts before I disengage myself from explanation against my post.

[2 Posts Left]

Ok i am going to be honest and say i don't really appreciate the tone you are leading this discussion into, Everyone should be free to express their opinions free of the constraints of having to prove too 1 person a point that is not our's too prove it's the authors and seeing as he will likely not answer it then imo it goes down as a poorly explained ending to a fight simple as that. Your choice at how to approach this topic is inflammatory and simply is not the way people should express their opinion in a forum or anywhere else for that matter. i think most of the other people in this forum myself included would be much more inclined to respond and discuss this topic with you if you would approach this subject with a more respectful tone.