Discussion The Official Relationship/Pairing/Shipping Thread

[jellalsexualll]

What GrayMi has to do with this? I don't crack ship Jellal x Kagura.

But in your previous post, you said that I was calling my crack ships canon... Which I have never done.

None of those images show what's really in her mind. Stop fooling yourself

Lol how am I the one fooling myself? You might be actually. I'm just going by what's canon and on panel. If Mashima wanted Kagura to have any romantic feelings for Jellal, it'd be on panel. Jelagura is a crackship regardless. If anyone needs to stop fooling themselves, it's you honey.

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Ahaha, you don't know a thing about CPR.

Mouth-to-mouth resuscitation has long since been outdated. CPR these days are only chest compressions.

When you breathe into somebody's mouth, you are breathing Carbon Dioxide (CO2) into their mouth. Not oxygen.

And in case you didn't know. Us humans, we don't like carbon dioxide in our bodies. We breathe that stuff out and breathe oxygen in.


I'm ok with saying Kagura mouth-to-mouth with Jellal was CPR if you say Levy mouth-to-mouth with Gajeel was also CPR.

Mouth to mouth with Gajeel and Levy WAS CPR. I've always said that. I don't classify that as a kiss at all.

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Oh and FYI, tell Mashima that. He's the one who drew mouth to mouth resuscitation on panel. Not me.

 

[Nemispelled]

Lol how am I the one fooling myself? You might be actually. I'm just going by what's canon and on panel. If Mashima wanted Kagura to have any romantic feelings for Jellal, it'd be on panel. Jelagura is a crackship regardless. If anyone needs to stop fooling themselves, it's you honey.

--- Double Post Merged, May 4, 2016, Original Post Date: May 4, 2016 ---

Mouth to mouth with Gajeel and Levy WAS CPR. I've always said that. I don't classify that as a kiss at all.

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Oh and FYI, tell Mashima that. He's the one who drew mouth to mouth resuscitation on panel. Not me.

Then I don't see why you are arguing with me.

I honestly couldn't care less if Gajeel and Levy was CPR or a kiss.

I honestly couldn't care less if Kagura and Jellal was CPR or a kiss.


All I'm saying is that if one is CPR so is the other. If one is a kiss, then so is the other. Simple.

 

[Axiomus]

I honstly don't see what the fuss is about. Levy gave Gajeel CPR, and there is proof she loves Gajeel. Kagura gave Jellal CPR, but there is no proof she loves Gajeel. The scene where Levy gives Gajeel CPR has romantic context, but the scene where Kagura gave Jellal CPR doesn't. The two scenes have completely different contexts.

I never claimed that the characters' feelings have changed. I said it was a possibility. Scroll up and re-read my post. I never claimed anything.

I said we don't know what is going on in Kagura's mind, which is the truth.

I also said that Kagura gave Jellal a kiss, not CPR.



Oh so, if somebody beat the living daylights out of you, would you love him/her back?

If your father nearly put you 6 feet under, would you sleep in the same room with him at night?

Don't tell me you're not trying to claim that Kagura has feelings for Jellal, and in the very same breath tell me that Kagura was trying to kiss Jellal instead of giving him CPR. Even if you're not outright claiming it, you're sending a very clear message. Perhaps I was to quick to say that you were claiming something. However that doesn't change the fact that just because we don't know how Kagura is feeling, we can't simply just say Kagura feelings have changed from hating Jellal for killing her brother all the way to loving Jellal. That's way too large jump to realistically believe happened from the time she was contemplating whether or not she should save Jellal or let him drown to when she gave him CPR.

I wouldn't love someone because they beat me up. I would however be more inclined to forgive them than if they killed my family members. If I end up falling in love with the person, it would be despite the fact they beat me up. The chances of me loving someone despite them beating me up is a lot higher than the chance of me loving someone despite them killing one of my family members.

 

[jellalsexualll]

In all honesty, many moons ago, when I started out as a newblet shipper, I was not always a "nice" shipper, but age and training (Otaku Shrink is because I actually AM a psychologist) fixed that.

Ah are you now? Maybe you can help out some people in here then. I can be nice and I can be shitty, only if given a reason and considering I was just referring to as a "lousy canon shipper" well, that alone is self-explanatory.

Then I don't see why you are arguing with me.

I honestly couldn't care less if Gajeel and Levy was CPR or a kiss.

I honestly couldn't care less if Kagura and Jellal was CPR or a kiss.


All I'm saying is that if one is CPR so is the other. If one is a kiss, then so is the other. Simple.

Hey, you're the one who brought up the Gajeel/Levy CPR scene lol. Not me. I was just clarifying my views on it. The difference between both scenes is that Levy didn't pick up her sword at first, she just dove in and breathed air into him so he'd survive. Kagura considered killing off Jellal right there, but she didn't. And she didn't save him because of sudden, romantic feelings of love blooming either. She knew that Erza was fighting alone up there. Kagura's rational mind told her that Erza was going to need both of them to defeat this enemy. Kagura also knows the extent of Erza's love for Jellal and vice versa. I'm almost certain Kagura knew how devastated Erza would be if she lost him. Common sense dictates that.

 

[Otaku shrink]

How about the time where she tried to sleep with him but he kicked her out !!!

Ok. That is a more recent event that actually happened in the manga...

...And then, the devil's advocate piece is that you also then consider him thanking her for being by his side and promising an answer.

My point is, we'd go at a cyclical thingy all night where you, someone who is convinced it is one-sided, gets stuck on certain moments and might miss other moments. Whereas, someone who wants to see said ship happen may launch into a debate about character tropes and dynamics.

That's only one example for one ship. It could be for any ship. This is how we discuss it without gouging eyeballs out.

 

[Selly]

Wow what happened while I was offline o.o

So first of all; fully support the motto 'ship and let ship'. BUT there has literally been a graphic in one of the FT magazines that showed the bond and relationship statuses of the guild. Elfman and Evergreen were shown to have mutual romantic feelings for one another, Levy was stated to have a one-sided crush (as yet!). Same with Happy towards Charle and Juvia towards Gray. Those are the only real romantic evidences we have. Still, Mashima has made his couple quite clear so it's very likely that the canon ships (apart from Albis) will be Nalu, Gruvia, Elfever, Jerza and Gajevy.

If someone needs the graphic I'm talking about, it's this one:

Now about the entire Kagura and Jellal thing... I think it's very safe to say that the 'kiss' was just CPR (same with Gajevy tho) and I honestly don't believe that Kagura has feelings for Jellal.

 

[darkenedreality]

As a matter of fact only Jerza,Gajevy,Elfgreen have romantic interactions ...
Nalu : close friendship relationship
Gruvia : one sided

You are a prime example of my post about people who deny canon. Congrats.

I've already covered why Gruvia isn't one sided, and you're blind if you don't see it.

I laugh at the "Gray would sacrifice for any of his friends". That's why Mashima only used Juvia, right? That's why he holds her hand? That's why he lived with her? That's why she's popped up in his mind as an important influence in his life? That's why he sobbed in her chest?

That's why Gray is constantly with her and promised a real answer after the war?

There are many things exclusive to Juvia only. And these are not things shared between two people that are only friends, especially considering Gray's character and that this is shounen.

Wow what happened while I was offline o.o

So first of all; fully support the motto 'ship and let ship'. BUT there has literally been a graphic in one of the FT magazines that showed the bond and relationship statuses of the guild. Elfman and Evergreen were shown to have mutual romantic feelings for one another, Levy was stated to have a one-sided crush (as yet!). Same with Happy towards Charle and Juvia towards Gray. Those are the only real romantic evidences we have. Still, Mashima has made his couple quite clear so it's very likely that the canon ships (apart from Albis) will be Nalu, Gruvia, Elfever, Jerza and Gajevy.

If someone needs the graphic I'm talking about, it's this one:

Now about the entire Kagura and Jellal thing... I think it's very safe to say that the 'kiss' was just CPR (same with Gajevy tho) and I honestly don't believe that Kagura has feelings for Jellal.

This chart isn't by Mashima (it's from the magazine) and it's extremely outdated.

 

[Selly]

This chart isn't by Mashima (it's from the magazine) and it's extremely outdated.

No but he most likely confirmed these information. Also, it 'could' be seen as a little outdated I guess. It got published.. last year in July I believe but regarding interactions/hints we haven't gotten something new yet (apart from the fact that Gray wants to talk to Juvi) so I think that this chart could apply still.

Like I said though, the five most obvious pairings will probably end up being canon. All the others will either stay hinted or untouched, and I'm fine with that. FT is a manga evolving around friendship after all.

 

[darkenedreality]

and never forget he rejected her right after that ...

Allow me to educate you in literary devices.

red herring
something that misleads or distracts from a relevant or important issue. It may be either a logical fallacy or a literary device that leads readers or audiences towards a false conclusion.

This so called 'rejection' of Juvia happened right after he died for her during the dragon invasion, and all Gray's actions prior to and then after contradict it. His 'rejection' changed nothing, as noted by other characters in the guild (Mirajane and Cana) as well. No one, not even Juvia, took it seriously because it wasn't meant to be taken that way. I really dislike when people take the things they aren't supposed to at face value, and then completely disregard what's actually significant. Gray isn't always an honest person either, although he has changed and grew up, and that is why after the battle is over he will give Juvia his real answer. The answer he couldn't give at the end of the GMG. Hint: it's not a rejection.

Really, this shouldn't even be up for debate anymore. Gray's mutual feelings for Juvia are clear.

No but he most likely confirmed these information. Also, it 'could' be seen as a little outdated I guess. It got published.. last year in July I believe but regarding interactions/hints we haven't gotten something new yet (apart from the fact that Gray wants to talk to Juvi) so I think that this chart could apply still.

Like I said though, the five most obvious pairings will probably end up being canon. All the others will either stay hinted or untouched, and I'm fine with that. FT is a manga evolving around friendship after all.

If that's the case, then perhaps we should take Gray's magazine into consideration as well since it implies he sees Juvia as more than a friend and friendzones Lucy completely. His personal relationship chart showcases Natsu and Juvia as Gray's closest people, and also implies he's being swayed by Juvia's escalating love appeal.

 

[Brandish μ]

I'm curious; Brandish x Dimaria is THE ship on tumblr when it comes to shipping Brandish. Who are people shipping her with one here? xD Also, what about Cana? I'm really not a fan of Baccana to be quite honest though that may just be because I don't like Bacchus behavior/attitude at all. I shipped her with Hibiki in the beginning, then with Laxus and now with Mira. Although similar as to Laxus/Mira/Freed I don't believe her or any other side charas apart from Elfmanand Evergreen will get involved in a canon ship.

Randy x Marie is probably all one sided from DiMaria Idk who Brandish will go for, my crack ship (couldn't be any more crack) is with Laxus.

As for the Raijinshuu I've always felt that they could completely pair with the Strauss siblings. Cana x Laxus is not a bad ship.

 

[Otaku shrink]

No but he most likely confirmed these information. Also, it 'could' be seen as a little outdated I guess. It got published.. last year in July I believe but regarding interactions/hints we haven't gotten something new yet (apart from the fact that Gray wants to talk to Juvi) so I think that this chart could apply still.

Like I said though, the five most obvious pairings will probably end up being canon. All the others will either stay hinted or untouched, and I'm fine with that. FT is a manga evolving around friendship after all.

I believe it was the final vol. of the first FT Monthly. Most of the information was based on staff commentary and focused on what the characters had outright expressed at the time of the chart's creation. I do know the magazine itself only discussed up into early Tartaros even though we were well into Avatar and past timeskip.

 

[Axiomus]

As I understand it, the Fairy Tail magazine recaps the events that the manga has already shown. It's not written by Hiro himself. Any information in the magazine is stuff the fans already know.

Btw, a bit off topic but rescue breaths are still recommended for CPR if the victim was drowning. Hands only CCR is only recommended over traditional CPR because when a person collapses from cardiac arrest, they still have oxygen in their lungs. The rescue breaths become redundant, and chest compress takes priority. However, in the case of drowning rescue breaths are still a necessity. When a person drowns, their lungs are filled with fluids. You need to get some air in there. Also, you don't exhale pure CO2 when you breathe out. Air isn't pure oxygen anyways, and your lungs don't use up 100% of the oxygen you breath in. Air is something like 20% oxygen, and your lungs take in about 4%. So if someone drowns and you need to perform CPR, still follow the ABC method. American Heart Association has a full article on it. Read the FAQ.
http://cpr.heart.org/AHAECC/CPRAndECC/Programs/HandsOnlyCPR/UCM_475604_CPR-Learn-More.jsp

 

[Kimoho]

I laugh at the "Gray would sacrifice for any of his friends". That's why Mashima only used Juvia, right? That's why he holds her hand? That's why he lived with her? That's why she's popped up in his mind as an important influence in his life? That's why he sobbed in her chest?

Its not like he didn't try it before (galuna arc/..) . Gray said she followed him and refused to move out (chapter 438) . Ultear (twice) ,Natsu ... others too,popped up in his mind ... He's going to give her an answer which could be NO !!!

 

[jellalsexualll]

Its not like he didn't try it before (galuna arc/..) . Gray said she followed him and refused to move out (chapter 438) . Ultear (twice) ,Natsu ... others too,popped up in his mind ... He's going to give her an answer which could be NO !!!

I sense a little saltiness coming from you as well as denial. Idk why people refuse to see what's right in front of them. You spend way too much time hating on something you shouldn't. You also realize Juvia was the biggest image to pop up in his mind and how important she is to him? How he felt awful for leaving her, and it was seen all over his face, without telling her. He apologized to her for it as well. Why else would Mashima have Jellal/Erza, Gray/Juvia together in the north right now, along with Natsu/Lucy in Magnolia and Gajeel/Levy in the south together? It's blatant as the nose on your face, you're just blinded by denial to the point that it's becoming ridiculous. Like I said, ship what you want, but when you start vehemently denying what's right there, that's when there's a problem.

 

[Kimoho]

Like I said, ship what you want, but when you start vehemently denying what's right there, that's when there's a problem.

The thing is I don't ship any pairing but I do feel sorry for Gruvia's fans cause its one sided

 

[jellalsexualll]

The thing is I don't ship any pairing but I do feel sorry for Gruvia's fans cause its one sided

No, it's really not. That's your opinion, but when you ignore the things that are right in front of you, that's when you start looking ridiculous, which is what you're making yourself out to look like is ridiculous. I mean hell, even people who aren't heavy shippers and that aren't biased and are logical can see it, so why can't you?

 

[Tryndamere]

I just hope Mashima stick to the pairing that he has hinted many times. He will lose a big load of fans if he changed the course all sudden and i don't like the process of this manga now. i see a lot of contradictory in his writting like if it was 2 captains are operating one ship it will end up sinking i hope his editors step the fuck aside and let him do his work.

 

[SirSamuel016]

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[Otaku shrink]

The thing is I don't ship any pairing but I do feel sorry for Gruvia's fans cause its one sided

In all honesty, I guess I can see how people who do not follow romantic nuances in a shounen may construe that if they focus on only certain situations for any ship until they are literally seen making out/procreating/etc on a panel.

As I said before, I straddle a fun line that I take part in the quite active and lively world of shipping when on Tumblr, but try to keep to the more neutral plot discussion on the forums. I find it allows me to enjoy two distinct aspects of shounen. What I can say from being a part of both "worlds" so to speak is that a lot of the "veteran" shippers who take part in the Fairy Tail fandom would be inclined to respectfully disagree on the assertion that Gruvia is one-sided at this point.

On a side note, I think a lot of people are actually starting to change their opinion on the one-sided thing. Let me give an example. My husband (a man who has been watching anime since the age of 6...manga on and off) who is firmly of the belief that Natsu should just "get a harem of all the girls", couldn't care less about shipping and will firmly argue with me if I ship something and he disagrees. He's never been a fan of Gray and always considered Juvia to be some weird fangirl type...until Tartaros.

When we were home for Christmas, we were watching the final Tartaros episode when my mother, who had never seen the series, inquired about the scene about Juvia telling Gray about Silver. My husband proceeds to explain to my mother about Juvia's love and how it is exaggerated as a form of Japanese humor and how Gray has been very slowly letting her in. As he pointed out to her (and me), he can't think of a time that this dynamic actually ever ends up being one-sided afterall. For a man who doesn't pay a whole lot of attention to romance in the hundreds of shounen he's seen over the years, it's a pretty interesting insight.

 

[darkenedreality]

Its not like he didn't try it before (galuna arc/..) . Gray said she followed him and refused to move out (chapter 438) . Ultear (twice) ,Natsu ... others too,popped up in his mind ... He's going to give her an answer which could be NO !!!

Gray never sacrificed himself for anyone other than Juvia. After Galuna Island, he vowed to live with his comrades but then went back on that vow without hesitation when he saw Juvia in danger. Here's another example: During the Sunvillage arc when the treasure hunters were attacking Team Natsu, Gray dodged their attacks and let them aim right at Lucy and Wendy. Didn't see him try and save them. (lol)

There's a debate over the actual translation of 438, since other people translated it as Gray saying he and Juvia were just crashing in the same place together. Notice him sweating, and compare this public display to his interactions with her alone. Regardless of translation, this was a cover up to downplay the fact that they lived together (happily as we saw in Juvia's flashbacks). Gray's honest feeling is he's grateful to have Juvia by his side. Also if Gray really didn't want Juvia living with him she wouldn't be there, period. Gray is not a weak willed person, he can say no if he wants to.

The context of scenes and panels matter. Juvia shows up in Gray's mind as she is his romantic interest.

Why would Gray make Juvia wait for a "no"? That makes no sense, and would not be a good end to their characters or the story. In fact that is backtracking. Everything leading up to his answer points to Gray reciprocating Juvia's feelings. I said in my previous response that some people take the things they aren't supposed to at face value, and then completely disregard what's actually significant. You fall into that category, because you are taking the comedy seriously and do not understand Gray's character. When Gruvia becomes canon don't say we didn't warn you.