Discussion Ranking the Sins

[Demonspeed]

At this point I think we should just create an Escanor vs. Meliodas thread, this way we can all trash-talk over there without interfering in the other threads

Nah, this thread is to compare all the Sins. Trash talk is no good .

I'm not gonna dig into the scenarii fictions about a Meliodas vs. Escanor thing. I'll just add that the only time Meliodas won a fight not due to his PL was against grey hendrickson. I don't see how is other fights were different than Escanor.

PLs do matter but when Meliodas fights, his swordsmanship, technique, everything is different from Escanor. Along with King, Meliodas is the Sin with the fighting style the most refined IMO, and I consider his style the best in the entire manga so far. Unarmed or not, it is gorgeous. Escanor's fighting style is rather simple: he tanks, uses his raw power and annihilates swiftly his opponent.

You are referring it to who????
By the way 1 punch with defend did damage > 3 punch without defend.... his cruel sun speed definitely outclassed estarossa's speed. I dont really see how his magic is stronger. Why go far i think even estarossa would thrash meliodas since he can reflect most of mel attack and mel's full counter is useless on him since esta is not the magic type user. By the way back to business, escanor definitely overpowered estarossa at the very beginning itself which pushed estarossa to the edge to draw out his magical ability... and keep in mind that the cruel sun and pride flare occured in a lake instead of an open area and even escanor himself was holding back..... definitely some of the heat loss in the lake.

Escanor took 3 hits and didn't dodge or block(he never did anything like that so far). Estarossa reacted fast enough to block one of Escanor's punch. I don't know who took more damages but it's clear that Escanor is physically the strongest, no one can deny that.

Escanor was not holding back, he said himself that he would get serious.

Spoiler: Image

His Cruel Sun hit him and Estarossa again reacted fast enough to protect himself with his Darkness, he even healed his injuries. How is Estarossa's Magic stronger? It was stated in the chapter.

Spoiler

Had Escanor's Magic Power been above Estarossa, Blackout would have not worked.

After that, Escanor got a big power up and became>>> Estarossa. The latter became unable to react to his speed and got roasted by a much bigger Cruel Sun.

 

[TarXan]

Nah, this thread is to compare all the Sins. Trash talk is no good .




PLs do matter but when Meliodas fights, his swordsmanship, technique, everything is different from Escanor. Along with King, Meliodas is the Sin with the fighting style the most refined IMO, and I consider his style the best in the entire manga so far. Unarmed or not, it is gorgeous. Escanor's fighting style is rather simple: he tanks, uses his raw power and annihilates swiftly his opponent.



Escanor took 3 hits and didn't dodge or block(he never did anything like that so far). Estarossa reacted fast enough to block one of Escanor's punch. I don't know who took more damages but it's clear that Escanor is physically the strongest, no one can deny that.

Escanor was not holding back, he said himself that he would get serious.

Spoiler: Image

His Cruel Sun hit him and Estarossa again reacted fast enough to protect himself with his Darkness, he even healed his injuries. How is Estarossa's Magic stronger? It was stated in the chapter.

Spoiler

Had Escanor's Magic Power been above Estarossa, Blackout would have not worked.

After that, Escanor got a big power up and became>>> Estarossa. The latter became unable to react to his speed and got roasted by a much bigger Cruel Sun.

Why are they trying to downplay Estarossa like Escanor didn't have to try his ass off to take him out

It was evenly match with Estarossa who had an advantage over Escanor, higher magic and countering all physical attacks

It's mind boggling ppl post
" Omg Escanor wasn't even trying, he let Estarossa hit him, he didn't feel a thing "

-___-

But you killed them with facts yet again

 

[Escanorzoldyck]

One thing's for sure
He didnt use his full power in that cruel sun
hope estarossa comes back to kick some ass

 

[TarXan]

Then by your logic since he's >>noon escanor (which means he's always as strong as noon escanor all day)which means mel will never have agood fight
Unlike escanor who can be at full power for a minute he can be defeated at dawn at morning...
And there's the possibility of Gawain appearing
In case you didnt know who he is
He is escanor's brother , his power overshadowed that of escanor, and he is the one who killed escanor(in the Arthurian legends)

Holy smokes Gawain sound interesting, that'd be crazy to see him pop up in the manga

What else about him did you read in Arthurian legend ?

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It'll be weird to see Escanor get over powered because he does is overpower his enemies with OP stats, he isn't agile, doesn't have any special fighting style or ability that can turn the tide of battle

He's like Galan but with a PL that increases as the day goes on

Mel has FC, RC and CV which forces his opponents to rely on physical strength etc etc

But Escanor's basically

" Ima power up and kill you "

What if he meets his match in terms of raw stats ? What can he do ?

 

[Escanorzoldyck]

Holy smokes Gawain sound interesting, that'd be crazy to see him pop up in the manga

What else about him did you read in Arthurian legend ?

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It'll be weird to see Escanor get over powered because he does is overpower his enemies with OP stats, he isn't agile, doesn't have any special fighting style or ability that can turn the tide of battle

He's like Galan but with a PL that increases as the day goes on

Mel has FC, RC and CV which forces his opponents to rely on physical strength etc etc

But Escanor's basically

" Ima power up and kill you "

What if he meets his match in terms of raw stats ? What can he do ?

When gawain comes in we'll see (if he does ofc)
He's one of arthur's knights And his power triples at noon
Thats all i know

 

[TarXan]

When gawain comes in we'll see (if he does ofc)
He's one of arthur's knights And his power triples at noon
Thats all i know

Says he's Arthur's son, so I doubt he'll pop up unless Nakaba changes it up and makes him a member of the goddess clan in his adaptation

 

[Escanorzoldyck]

Where did you read that he's arthur's son?

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But one thing is for sure he is escanor's brother

 

[Gaggen]

Nah, this thread is to compare all the Sins. Trash talk is no good .




PLs do matter but when Meliodas fights, his swordsmanship, technique, everything is different from Escanor. Along with King, Meliodas is the Sin with the fighting style the most refined IMO, and I consider his style the best in the entire manga so far. Unarmed or not, it is gorgeous. Escanor's fighting style is rather simple: he tanks, uses his raw power and annihilates swiftly his opponent.



Escanor took 3 hits and didn't dodge or block(he never did anything like that so far). Estarossa reacted fast enough to block one of Escanor's punch. I don't know who took more damages but it's clear that Escanor is physically the strongest, no one can deny that.

Escanor was not holding back, he said himself that he would get serious.

Spoiler: Image

His Cruel Sun hit him and Estarossa again reacted fast enough to protect himself with his Darkness, he even healed his injuries. How is Estarossa's Magic stronger? It was stated in the chapter.

Spoiler

Had Escanor's Magic Power been above Estarossa, Blackout would have not worked.

After that, Escanor got a big power up and became>>> Estarossa. The latter became unable to react to his speed and got roasted by a much bigger Cruel Sun.

Why do you people even follow jaimini's box. meliodas swordmanship and technique so refine?????Ask him to carry and swing rhitta like how he does to lostvayne then we will see who is more refined. Estarossa darkness barely saved him he admitted it. And escanor wasnt going all out since his friends was there. If he did, whole liones is finished. By the way Escanor was kind enough to give him time to recover instead of attacking him using another cruel sun. And his stupidity allowed estarossa's darkness to engulf the cruel sun. Estarossa was clearly going all out of the beginning and didnt even let escanor to recover but escanor was not the same. He is more into enjoying the battle until he got pissed.

 

[TarXan]

Why do you people even follow jaimini's box. meliodas swordmanship and technique so refine?????Ask him to carry and swing rhitta like how he does to lostvayne then we will see who is more refined. Estarossa darkness barely saved him he admitted it. And escanor wasnt going all out since his friends was there. If he did, whole liones is finished. By the way Escanor was kind enough to give him time to recover instead of attacking him using another cruel sun. And his stupidity allowed estarossa's darkness to engulf the cruel sun. Estarossa was clearly going all out of the beginning and didnt even let escanor to recover but escanor was not the same. He is more into enjoying the battle until he got pissed.

You do realize this is fanfic right ? Everything you said you literally made up to overrate Escanor, Escanor himself said he was going go all out after he took damage and he exerted his body fight Estarossa

Estarossa had the upper hand until Escanor's power boost after 11:30

Demonspeed has been killing you with straight facts while using the manga (only thing reliable) as his source

You have yet to do so

 

[Gaggen]

The God Demonspeed has spoken

My posts are literally sarcasm, I'm doing the same thing Escanor fanboys are doing lol

But in all honesty this shouldn't even be debatable

Base Mel =/= Estarossa

Estarossa =/= Pre 11:30 Escanor

Now if Meliodas activates his demon mark, Escanor won't even be alive to see noon, the fight would be so 1 sided

Not to mention his magic power would be completely useless

First of all R.I.P your logic. Escanor wouldnt carry his hand against his own captain unless he does something that really pisses him off like killing merlin.... that will be the time we truly see escanor's wrath since he has no reason to hold back anymore. He always hold back because merlin and gowther would black him out if he hesitates to hold back and because his friends are in close proximity to him. We saw what happened to izraf after misunderstanding his poem. Trust me you dont wanna piss this guy off. By the way its not confirmed yet weither 60k is estarossa's base or not so why do you even compare their power levels?? Merlin confirmed it that escanor is still greater than revived demon mark meliodas since she definitely saw his power level. https://mangastream.com/r/the_seven_deadly_sins/196/3740/7

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You do realize this is fanfic right ? Everything you said you literally made up to overrate Escanor, Escanor himself said he was going go all out after he took damage and he exerted his body fight Estarossa

Estarossa had the upper hand until Escanor's power boost after 11:30

Demonspeed has been killing you with straight facts while using the manga (only thing reliable) as his source

You have yet to do so

He didnt kill me i am still alive. Tell me why do i have you reason with you meliodas fanboy???

 

[Demonspeed]

You do realize this is fanfic right ? Everything you said you literally made up to overrate Escanor, Escanor himself said he was going go all out after he took damage and he exerted his body fight Estarossa

Estarossa had the upper hand until Escanor's power boost after 11:30

Demonspeed has been killing you with straight facts while using the manga (only thing reliable) as his source

You have yet to do so

Thanks for the support but you are making things worse. Let me deal with him.

Why do you people even follow jaimini's box. meliodas swordmanship and technique so refine?????Ask him to carry and swing rhitta like how he does to lostvayne then we will see who is more refined. Estarossa darkness barely saved him he admitted it. And escanor wasnt going all out since his friends was there. If he did, whole liones is finished. By the way Escanor was kind enough to give him time to recover instead of attacking him using another cruel sun. And his stupidity allowed estarossa's darkness to engulf the cruel sun. Estarossa was clearly going all out of the beginning and didnt even let escanor to recover but escanor was not the same. He is more into enjoying the battle until he got pissed.

Why do I follow Jaimini's box?
1. Their translations are considered the best here since Red Hawk stopped. By most of the members here and FKS himself.
2. MS translations say the same thing

Spoiler: Images

Believe what you want about Meliodas and Escanor's fighting style. I said Meliodas's is the best of the series in my opinion and you should know he is a swordsman. Estarossa said he would have taken fatal damages without his protection, but that's it: He protected himself, survived and healed his injuries. Against most of the Commandments Escanor would have not fought seriously at all.

Escanor was serious and his Magic Power was inferior, those are facts. It doesn't matter if you don't want to accept it, these pages confirm it. So, until you find something to prove me wrong, I will stop talking about this battle with you.

 

[TarXan]

First of all R.I.P your logic. Escanor wouldnt carry his hand against his own captain unless he does something that really pisses him off like killing merlin.... that will be the time we truly see escanor's wrath since he has no reason to hold back anymore. He always hold back because merlin and gowther would black him out if he hesitates to hold back and because his friends are in close proximity to him. We saw what happened to izraf after misunderstanding his poem. Trust me you dont wanna piss this guy off. By the way its not confirmed yet weither 60k is estarossa's base or not so why do you even compare their power levels?? Merlin confirmed it that escanor is still greater than revived demon mark meliodas since she definitely saw his power level. https://mangastream.com/r/the_seven_deadly_sins/196/3740/7

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He didnt kill me i am still alive. Tell me why do i have you reason with you meliodas fanboy???

What about my logic ? That Mel's base form is equivalent to Estarossa power with his demon mark active ?

1. I never said Estarossa's base was 60k

2. The point is Estarossa gave Escanor a hard time until 11:30, that is a fact, Meliodas' has the same power as Estarossa and that's just his base with out this new Mark

3. Merlin DID not confirm anything you just said

4. The point is you have yet to prove Demonspeed wrong or use any pages from the manga to back up your statements is all but carry on

 

[Gaggen]

What about my logic ? That Mel's base form is equivalent to Estarossa power with his demon mark active ?

1. I never said Estarossa's base was 60k

2. The point is Estarossa gave Escanor a hard time until 11:30, that is a fact, Meliodas' has the same power as Estarossa and that's just his base with out this new Mark

3. Merlin DID not confirm anything you just said

4. The point is you have yet to prove Demonspeed wrong or use any pages from the manga to back up your statements is all but carry on

Stop enough is enough. I have already debunked your argument. And kindly do read my post i never said that u said estarossa base was 60k. So please read back. What the hell man??? Merlin just said to escanor that he is the summit and the best based on his feats after seeing and reading meliodas power level.How isnt that confirmed???? I have even given you the website and the specific page of the manga yet you tell she doesnt confirm it then something is wrong with your eyes..... ask everyone on this thread and they will tell you poor lost soul......

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Thanks for the support but you are making things worse. Let me deal with him.



Why do I follow Jaimini's box?
1. Their translations are considered the best here since Red Hawk stopped. By most of the members here and FKS himself.
2. MS translations say the same thing

Spoiler: Images

Believe what you want about Meliodas and Escanor's fighting style. I said Meliodas's is the best of the series in my opinion and you should know he is a swordsman. Estarossa said he would have taken fatal damages without his protection, but that's it: He protected himself, survived and healed his injuries. Against most of the Commandments Escanor would have not fought seriously at all.

Escanor was serious and his Magic Power was inferior, those are facts. It doesn't matter if you don't want to accept it, these pages confirm it. So, until you find something to prove me wrong, I will stop talking about this battle with you.

Ok. Whatever i have said to you is also from the manga. You paid attention to the big things happening there and the petty ones caught my eye and attention such as their way of attack and the mercy that they show to each other which also equally important. Escanor channelled the cruel sun to the lake to reduce the effect and damage to the surrounding because his friends was there. And that was made clear since he confirmed with ban the direction of the lake. By the way escanor didnt unleash his charge and fire move which oneshotted two commandments even though his cruel sun was dwelled by estarossa darkness. Why wouldnt he use it??? Why only use cruel sun?? There are reasons behind things like that.... by the way how did mel defeat dolor and gloxinia, because he did not give them time to recover and was eliminating them continously. That was different for escanor's fight. He gave estarossa time to heal while he stood there with his cruel sun. He could have gone in the lake and finish him there itself before estarossa completed his healing but why he didnt??? Because he wanted to enjoy the fight.

 

[Rescorlian]

Nah, this thread is to compare all the Sins. Trash talk is no good .




PLs do matter but when Meliodas fights, his swordsmanship, technique, everything is different from Escanor. Along with King, Meliodas is the Sin with the fighting style the most refined IMO, and I consider his style the best in the entire manga so far. Unarmed or not, it is gorgeous. Escanor's fighting style is rather simple: he tanks, uses his raw power and annihilates swiftly his opponent.



Escanor took 3 hits and didn't dodge or block(he never did anything like that so far). Estarossa reacted fast enough to block one of Escanor's punch. I don't know who took more damages but it's clear that Escanor is physically the strongest, no one can deny that.

Escanor was not holding back, he said himself that he would get serious.

Spoiler: Image

His Cruel Sun hit him and Estarossa again reacted fast enough to protect himself with his Darkness, he even healed his injuries. How is Estarossa's Magic stronger? It was stated in the chapter.

Spoiler

Had Escanor's Magic Power been above Estarossa, Blackout would have not worked.

After that, Escanor got a big power up and became>>> Estarossa. The latter became unable to react to his speed and got roasted by a much bigger Cruel Sun.

What has Meliodas fighting style anything to do with ranking him above or beneath Escanor ? Nothing.
As for saying Estarossa was stronger than Escanor before 11:30, that is up to interpretation, as again, we could consider Escanor decided to use more power rather than getting a random boost. I said it before, the more Escanor is excited the more he unleashes heat. He even said after the fight he was too excited and even with Rhitta couldn't control his heat.
The only serious blows Escanor received was of his own attacks, because Estarossa FC is the perfect anti-physical match up ability in Taizai. Without it, I wonder how Estarossa would have been able to wound Escanor.

I don't even know why we're arguing, Escanor existence in this world is unique. Merlin says at noon he's "easily surpasses any other sins". She basically confirmed that when they met again. You guys (not addressing to you there) are in denials before the awesomeness of Escanor

 

[Gaggen]

What has Meliodas fighting style anything to do with ranking him above or beneath Escanor ? Nothing.
As for saying Estarossa was stronger than Escanor before 11:30, that is up to interpretation, as again, we could consider Escanor decided to use more power rather than getting a random boost. I said it before, the more Escanor is excited the more he unleashes heat. He even said after the fight he was too excited and even with Rhitta couldn't control his heat.
The only serious blows Escanor received was of his own attacks, because Estarossa FC is the perfect anti-physical match up ability in Taizai. Without it, I wonder how Estarossa would have been able to wound Escanor.

I don't even know why we're arguing, Escanor existence in this world is unique. Merlin says at noon he's "easily surpasses any other sins". She basically confirmed that when they met again. You guys (not addressing to you there) are in denials before the awesomeness of Escanor

Thanks for that buddy!!!!

 

[Demonspeed]

What has Meliodas fighting style anything to do with ranking him above or beneath Escanor ? Nothing.

Only if you use PL as your reference.

As for saying Estarossa was stronger than Escanor before 11:30, that is up to interpretation, as again, we could consider Escanor decided to use more power rather than getting a random boost. I said it before, the more Escanor is excited the more he unleashes heat. He even said after the fight he was too excited and even with Rhitta couldn't control his heat.

I didn't say Estarossa was stronger. I said both were evenly matched and Estarossa had the advantage.

The only serious blows Escanor received was of his own attacks, because Estarossa FC is the perfect anti-physical match up ability in Taizai. Without it, I wonder how Estarossa would have been able to wound Escanor.

He bled from the first blow so I consider all the damages he took as serious, he just as insane stamina and pain tolerance. We can't talk abotu Estarossa with Full Counter because it's his Magic. It's like talking about Escanor without Sunshine. Estarossa wounded him with his first punch.

I don't even know why we're arguing, Escanor existence in this world is unique. Merlin says at noon he's "easily surpasses any other sins". She basically confirmed that when they met again. You guys (not addressing to you there) are in denials before the awesomeness of Escanor

Escanor's being unique is not really what matters here. There are other unique beings even among the Sins. He is so special because of his race. This is wat Merlin said
1. At noon, his Power Level easily surpasses any of the Sin.

I said at least twice that at his peak his PL is most likely the highest in the manga but that it is not enough to make me believe he could beat Meliodas because of their fighting styles, Full Counter etc. Back then Meliodas could not use the power he had during his prime, his PL was 32500 and with he PoD it's 56000. Currently, Meliodas is at full power, and even if I think Escanor's PL is higher, I don't believe it is much higher or enough to beat Meliodas.

2.She said he was still unrivaled and at the peak after learning of his feats. But a fight between Meliodas at full power and Escanor at noon never happened. And Escanor was indeed stronger than Meliodas back then since he was able to easily surpass 56K. With a gap that wide, the Meliodas from back then would have been unable to do anything against Escanor at 11:00/11:30 regardless of his fighting style or abilities.

 

[Rescorlian]

Only if you use PL as your reference.



I didn't say Estarossa was stronger. I said both were evenly matched and Estarossa had the advantage.



He bled from the first blow so I consider all the damages he took as serious, he just as insane stamina and pain tolerance. We can't talk abotu Estarossa with Full Counter because it's his Magic. It's like talking about Escanor without Sunshine. Estarossa wounded him with his first punch.



Escanor's being unique is not really what matters here. There are other unique beings even among the Sins. He is so special because of his race. This is wat Merlin said
1. At noon, his Power Level easily surpasses any of the Sin.

I said at least twice that at his peak his PL is most likely the highest in the manga but that it is not enough to make me believe he could beat Meliodas because of their fighting styles, Full Counter etc. Back then Meliodas could not use the power he had during his prime, his PL was 32500 and with he PoD it's 56000. Currently, Meliodas is at full power, and even if I think Escanor's PL is higher, I don't believe it is much higher or enough to beat Meliodas.

2.She said he was still unrivaled and at the peak after learning of his feats. But a fight between Meliodas at full power and Escanor at noon never happened. And Escanor was indeed stronger than Meliodas back then since he was able to easily surpass 56K. With a gap that wide, the Meliodas from back then would have been unable to do anything against Escanor at 11:00/11:30 regardless of his fighting style or abilities.

Well, I still think the fighting style argument is pretty lame, unless there is a clear exemple where it mattered in Taizai, as for yet I don't remember one. I thought it was clear we'd only consider PL, if not, then for me, the highest ranked sin would definitely not be neither Escanor nor Meliodas but Gowther, because his ability are already broken, and with him regaining his previous strength and his commandement, then... the guy's just haxed. I mean with 3k PL his ability worked on Galan. So with a PL around 40k, I'm pretty sure nothing could resist him.

So I don't even know why we're arguing anymore

 

[AiNana]

Man
You guys are making a war out of you're discussions.
Who is stronger than the other doesn't matter now. Each has his own perspective. Repect that okay?
fwuu...
Anyway, Gowther's magic ability is very handy. Placing him around third place in the sins. For second and first? Can't decide. Meliodas and Escanor are powerfull individuals,but we still don't know their full strength. We see it later on in the series
Merlin... tied with Gowther I guess. As following, Ban King Diane

 

[AiNana]

Anyway, Gowther will get his commandment back. Which rank does he deserve then? Still same rank?

 

[Escanorzoldyck]

In terms of pl? Probably
But one thing is for sure once he gets his power he will be unstoppable