So how exactly do you think Yuri assisted Laxus in using that move? If Laxus didn't have the power to use Red Lightning up until that point then how exactly did Yuri give him that power?
Editor's notes are put in by the editor to generate hype for the next chapter and things like that. I'm pretty sure Hiro doesn't even look at them, if you think otherwise then you're going to have to explain to me how Invel's ice is colder than absolute zero.
And just so you know, I do agree that Red Lightning wasn't something Laxus developed over training and that it was a move he pulled out of his ass just so that Hiro didn't have to give him an L. But I don't agree that he needed assistance to get it.
Everything that is written and spoken by a character, yes. Everything outside of those boxes aren't hiros.
Thats just blatantly wrong.
Its not a fact at all. Editor hype is actually even less valid then a readers opinion because they aren't even going by logic, they say whatever the hell they need to say to make the ending seem "more hype" and bring suspense till the next issue. Nothing is more proof of this then something like this:
I am sure I don't need to explain to you why Invels ice being colder then absolute zero is hilariously wrong.
The only time it is not Hiro's is if there is some translation note or side note.
If it is in the context of the manga, it's Hiro's since he owns the scans. It goes through by Hiro.
Outsiders can't just post their text in there without something saying "Translation Note" or "Editor's Note". That would be taking Mashima's property and is illegal.
Its not a fact at all. Editor hype is actually even less valid then a readers opinion because they aren't even going by logic, they say whatever the hell they need to say to make the ending seem "more hype" and bring suspense till the next issue. Nothing is more proof of this then something like this:
I am sure I don't need to explain to you why Invels ice being colder then absolute zero is hilariously wrong.
So how exactly do you think Yuri assisted Laxus in using that move? If Laxus didn't have the power to use Red Lightning up until that point then how exactly did Yuri give him that power?
Editor's notes are put in by the editor to generate hype for the next chapter and things like that. I'm pretty sure Hiro doesn't even look at them, if you think otherwise then you're going to have to explain to me how Invel's ice is colder than absolute zero.
And just so you know, I do agree that Red Lightning wasn't something Laxus developed over training and that it was a move he pulled out of his ass just so that Hiro didn't have to give him an L. But I don't agree that he needed assistance to get it.
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LMAO exactly this. We even used the same example haha
Gray used Zeroth Destruction Fist to beat Invel, he obtained DeS from his dad, Gray had far more help from Silver than Laxus had from Yuri. Dont know why you are arguing about something so stupid anyway, characters win with the power they have, dont matter where they got it from, whether it be from a powerful bloodline or just from their dad, as long as it is their power now
No, it isnt, the Chronos in Fairy Tail isnt necessarily the same Chronos from myths, in fact we know it isnt, cause the Chronos from myths isnt a god.
The War God you said was stronger than Acno got one shotted by Natsu, he isnt even close to GMG Dragon Level, let alone Acno's level.
Gray used Zeroth Destruction Fist to beat Invel, he obtained DeS from his dad, Gray had far more help from Silver than Laxus had from Yuri. Dont know why you are arguing about something so stupid anyway, characters win with the power they have, dont matter where they got it from, whether it be from a powerful bloodline or just from their dad, as long as it is their power now
Don't you guys realize Dimaria could turn back time around when war started and could change history this is why is powerful time magic. Gods are above humans level power.Dude, we saw one war god who was ten time stronger Acnologia just look the size it's like big as Galactus. Being stronger doesn't mean can beat all characters.What am telling is the truth , i believe there characters powerful than 12 spriggans because the manga is not over yet.We need to see country like Bosco , Seven ,Pergrande King(this country is bigger then Alvarez empire) , other war gods , devils , gods..ect slayers.
Ridiculous, having Dragon Lacrima or a Dragon Dad to teach you the magic doesnt automatically make you strong, you have to work to obtain the strength, look at Sting and Rogue, they have BOTH the Dragon Lacrima and the Dragon dads to teach them and they arent anywhere near Natsu or Laxus' level, having these things mean nothing without the wizard being capable of obtaining the strength themselves.
Uhuh, Natsu and Laxus worked and trained for their power too, and from the looks of it they were training harder than Gray was, dedicating the entire previous year to getting stronger, saying that Gray "deserved" his power more than anyone else is absurd.
Gray used Zeroth Destruction Fist to beat Invel, he obtained DeS from his dad, Gray had far more help from Silver than Laxus had from Yuri. Dont know why you are arguing about something so stupid anyway, characters win with the power they have, dont matter where they got it from, whether it be from a powerful bloodline or just from their dad, as long as it is their power now
How did Gray get more help from Silver compared to Laxus? Devil Slaying Magic was given to him back in Tartaros as a result of Silver transferring his MP to Gray. It has been a year since that happened and Gray had to train to keep that power. As far as I'm concerned, Gray defeated Invel on his own.
I agree that Laxus didn't literally get help from Yury. But you can't deny that he gained power from thinking about Yury. It was a PoF moment and that is not debatable.
Uhuh, Natsu and Laxus worked and trained for their power too, and from the looks of it they were training harder than Gray was, dedicating the entire previous year to getting stronger, saying that Gray "deserved" his power more than anyone else is absurd.
So if i take it right so should we consider this statement also to be true,"Bluenote the man who went toe and toe with Gildarts".This is also editors comment.
Ridiculous, having Dragon Lacrima or a Dragon Dad to teach you the magic doesnt automatically make you strong, you have to work to obtain the strength, look at Sting and Rogue, they have BOTH the Dragon Lacrima and the Dragon dads to teach them and they arent anywhere near Natsu or Laxus' level, having these things mean nothing without the wizard being capable of obtaining the strength themselves.
Uhuh, Natsu and Laxus worked and trained for their power too, and from the looks of it they were training harder than Gray was, dedicating the entire previous year to getting stronger, saying that Gray "deserved" his power more than anyone else is absurd.
So if i take it right so should we consider this statement also to be true,"Bluenote the man who went toe and toe with Gildarts".This is also editors comment.
How did Gray get more help from Silver compared to Laxus? Devil Slaying Magic was given to him back in Tartaros as a result of Silver transferring his MP to Gray. It has been a year since that happened and Gray had to train to keep that power. As far as I'm concerned, Gray defeated Invel on his own.
I agree that Laxus didn't literally get help from Yury. But you can't deny that he gained power from thinking about Yury. It was a PoF moment and that is not debatable.
Because Laxus gaining power from Yuri is too abstract,and mostly speculation, Gray gaining power from Silver is clear cut.
Yes, Red Lightning was PoF, so was Zeroth Destruction Fist, and everything else Gray did in the second half of his fight with Invel.
Yes Gray made the power his own, i agree, and said as much in my comment.
Uhuh, Destruction Fist is fair game, but Red Lightning isnt? Just cause you dont want it to be right? Never mind the fact that Yuri is long dead and couldnt have given Laxus any sort of power, never mind the fact that we know Laxus had to train to use that spell cause he had never used it before, never mind the fact that Yuri never actually used Red Lightning.
if any thing is "unfair" it is Destruction Fist, Gray had to rely on his good luck for running into the only ice spriggan so that he could use spriggan power to fuel that specific spell.
Uhuh, Destruction Fist is fair game, but Red Lightning isnt? Just cause you dont want it to be right? Never mind the fact that Yuri is long dead and couldnt have given Laxus any sort of power, never mind the fact that we know Laxus had to train to use that spell cause he had never used it before, never mind the fact that Yuri never actually used Red Lightning.
if any thing is "unfair" it is Destruction Fist, Gray had to rely on his good luck for running into the only ice spriggan so that he could use spriggan power to fuel that specific spell.
Not going to argue about the whole Red Lightning thing anymore because I don't think our opinions about it differ enough to warrant it, but I do have some issue with what you're saying here.
Slayer magic isn't necessarily a direct upgrade over other type of magic. All kinds of magic have their own strengths and weaknesses. Fire and Lightning Slayer magic is impressive because it gives the user a certain immunity and is very powerful offensively, but that's all it's limited to. It is a purely offensive magic and it has very little application apart from that. Ice Make, while maybe not as powerful as Natsu and Laxus's magic, is much more versatile and can be used for a lot more things. So I don't think it's fair to state that Natsu's and Laxus's magic are outright superior to Gray's. They may be stronger offensively but they are severely limited in their applications, unlike Ice Make.
Slayer magic isn't necessarily a direct upgrade over other type of magic. All kinds of magic have their own strengths and weaknesses. Fire and Lightning Slayer magic is impressive because it gives the user a certain immunity and is very powerful offensively, but that's all it's limited to. It is a purely offensive magic and it has very little application defensively. Ice Make, while maybe not as powerful as Natsu and Laxus's magic, is much more versatile and can be used for a variety of different things. So I don't think it's fair to state that Natsu's and Laxus's magic are outright superior to Gray's. They may be stronger offensively but they are severely limited in their applications, unlike Ice Make.
I agree that Ice Make does give Gray some versatility. But when it comes to damaging your opponent, the power of your magic is what matters.
Note, against Invel, Gray didn't use "Ice Make: Ice Devil Zeroth Destruction Fist".
If Gray combined Ice Make with Ice Devil Slaying Magic, then I would completely agree with you and say that Gray received a double power up compared to Natsu and Laxus.
But Gray only used Ice Devil Slaying Magic there.
That means, even without Ice Make, he would have still beat his opponent (Invel) just the same.
The only time it is not Hiro's is if there is some translation note or side note.
If it is in the context of the manga, it's Hiro's since he owns the scans. It goes through by Hiro.
Outsiders can't just post their text in there without something saying "Translation Note" or "Editor's Note". That would be taking Mashima's property and is illegal.
I don't think you know how the process works. Editors can do whatever the hell they want, they are the editors for a reason. Why would there be an editor if they weren't allowed to touch the material lol.
No, it's not. Mangakas have editors and assistants that help him create the plot and dialogue.
So if you ignore everything that is not written directly by Hiro himself, you would be ignoring a massive part of the manga as well.
Right......then Gildarts being the strongest person the FT guild is also an exagguration, and Yuri literally helping Laxus out would also be an exagguration as well, Yuri "helped" Laxus against Wahl about as much as Silver helped Gray against Invel. You really cannot bend this your way here.
It's just that the readers don't know the meaning of literary and artistic techniques.
I am sorry if I am being really forward here but this really is a load of crap dude. This has got about 0% to do with artistic techniques, we aren't discussing hiros drawings skills here.
In this case, it goes through and by Mashima, so it is a fact.
You got it wrong. Mashimas work goes through THEM, and then once THEY are done with it they send it over to Jump. Thats what it means to be an editor. I don't know if you know this, but on multiple occasions the editors notes have went against what happened in the manga, such as when is said:
Yet we all know it didn't end up doing jack shit. Or:
Yet we all know the three dragons ended up getting stomped the very time they were shown fighting. And how about:
Really!? I could have sworn it wasn't all to defeat Mard, but END and Zeref. Are you seriously trying to tell me that these editor notes that clearly have no idea what the author is trying to do in the very next chapter (let alone the end goals) are canon?
Yes, it is Invel's fault, which just makes it less impressive for Gray, the fact that he had the option of transferring the ice in the first place just makes him luckier that he got to fight Invel of all spriggans.
I don't think you know how the process works. Editors can do whatever the hell they want, they are the editors for a reason. Why would there be an editor if they weren't allowed to touch the material lol.
No, you would just be ignoring the ridiculous non canon hype statements made by the editors.
Right......then Gildarts being the strongest person the FT guild is also an exagguration, and Yuri literally helping Laxus out would also be an exagguration as well, Yuri "helped" Laxus against Wahl about as much as Silver helped Gray against Invel. You really cannot bend this your way here.
I am sorry if I am being really forward here but this really is a load of crap dude. This has got about 0% to do with artistic techniques, we aren't discussing hiros drawings skills here.
You got it wrong. Mashimas work goes through THEM, and then once THEY are done with it they send it over to Jump. Thats what it means to be an editor. I don't know if you know this, but on multiple occasions the editors notes have went against what happened in the manga, such as when is said:
Yet we all know it didn't end up doing jack shit. Or:
Yet we all know the three dragons ended up getting stomped the very time they were shown fighting. And how about:
Really!? I could have sworn it wasn't all to defeat Mard, but END and Zeref. Are you seriously trying to tell me that these editor notes that clearly have no idea what the author is trying to do in the very next chapter (let alone the end goals) are canon?
Nobody can put their own words into somebody's work without approval. By law, that is illegal.
With all of your panels you posted, again I don't see anything wrong with it. It's meant to be hype and suspense, which is a literary and artistic technique.
By artistic, I don't mean the actual drawing, I'm talking about it from an artistic point of view.
Readers should be able to get that, which is what it is intended for. It's a piece of literature. It's stuff that people like Shakespeare does.
Yes, it is Invel's fault, which just makes it less impressive for Gray, the fact that he had the option of transferring the ice in the first place just makes him luckier that he got to fight Invel of all spriggans.
Nobody can put their own words into somebody's work without approval. By law, that is illegal.
With all of your panels you posted, again I don't see anything wrong with it. It's meant to be hype and suspense, which is a literary and artistic technique.
By artistic, I don't mean the actual drawing, I'm talking about it from an artistic point of view.
Readers should be able to get that, which is what it is intended for. It's a piece of literature. It's stuff that people like Shakespeare does.
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Gray was already cracking Invel's face in base form before he used that spell. Destruction Fist was just icing on the cake.
Gray would have defeated him eventually, so it's still impressive.
Intelligence is also a key factor in battle, so Gray's overall combat ability is impressive.
Gray landed a good punch sure.
If it wasnt for Ice Transfer and Ice immunity Gray would have died the moment Invel caught his punch, so no, Destruction Fist was Gray's salvation, pretty much the same thing as with Erza vs Azir and Gajeel vs Bradman, Gray was saved the last minute, just like Erza and Gajeel
