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Natsu said himself that he would go on a journey with Happy while training.

It's common sense that Happy was by his side the whole time. Therefore, if Gray trained on Juvia's level, then Natsu trained on Happy's level.

That would also mean that Gajeel trained on Levy's level and Mira trained on Lisanna's level.
Natsu SAID NOTHING ABOUT USING HAPOY AS A TRAINING PARTNER AT ALL. Happy being with Natsu DOESNT EQUATE TO HAPPY TRAINING WITH NATSU.

Being with=/= Training with.

We have actually panels of JUVIA TRAINING WITH GRAY.

I'm not reapting this again. If you regurgitate the same response I'll take that as you conceading because I'm not about to repeat the same shit over and over again.
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Happy?

Oh, he trained... it's just not your typical idea of training.



He can now resist fish a little bit more than he used to be able to do in the past.
I guess Natsu learned how to use and control Igneel's power through resisting the erge of eating raw fish
 

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Exactly. Happy's training consisted of staring at a fish, and trying not to eat it. Natsu's training consisted of becoming strong enough so that his body could handle releasing Igneel's magical power. And unless removing fish from your diet is the secret to doing the latter, Natsu probably didn't train the same way Happy did. We got a hint about how Natsu trained, or at least towards the end of his journey, from the GMG participants statements about him being the black hooded guy that's been going around challenging others.

Well, I'm just correcting ya. You said Happy didn't train, which is false. Happy isn't happy about that. We should give him the credit that he deserves... which is that he did some form of training.

And btw, I've always been the one saying that Natsu doesn't train with Happy just because Happy follows him everywhere. Saying that about any character is absurd.
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Natsu SAID NOTHING ABOUT USING HAPOY AS A TRAINING PARTNER AT ALL. Happy being with Natsu DOESNT EQUATE TO HAPPY TRAINING WITH NATSU.

Being with=/= Training with.

We have actually panels of JUVIA TRAINING WITH GRAY.

No, Natsu himself said that Happy is going to go on a journey with him while training. It's as simple as it gets here.

Juvia is training alongside Gray, she was never sparring with him.

The manga never said anything about Gray using Juvia has his training partner.

She was just training nearby him, that's what the panel showed.


I guess Natsu learned how to use and control Igneel's power through resisting the erge of eating raw fish

That's exactly how he did it. I thought people would have already caught on to that by now...:notrust
 

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Well, I'm just correcting ya. You said Happy didn't train, which is false. Happy isn't happy about that. We should give him the credit that he deserves... which is that he did some form of training.

And btw, I've always been the one saying that Natsu doesn't train with Happy just because Happy follows him everywhere. Saying that about any character is absurd.
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No, Natsu himself said that Happy is going to go on a journey with him while training. It's as simple as it gets here.

Juvia is training alongside Gray, she was never sparring with him.

The manga never said anything about Gray using Juvia has his training partner.

She was just training nearby him, that's what the panel showed.





That's exactly how he did it. I thought people would have already caught on to that by now...:notrust
Ypu, you're a broken record. I'll take that as yo conceding since you don't know that travel with=/=Train with.
 

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If laxus was tiers above everyone else. He would have one shotted natsu in ff arc. Instead he needed two of his most strongest move to even put gajeel down, someone who was even more weaker than natsu.

Laxus protrayal is not important than everyone else portrayal.
Before time skip Mira and erza was considerably above natsu by portrayal. Erza by feats as well. Their portrayal can't just be ignored for fan's favourite portrayal.

The fact is no one in the fairy tail verse has ever said laxus is second strongest in fairy tail. Even in the latest arc. There is no what ifs about it.

Gray saying that in gmg arc is no difference than gray saying no one can take on erza in toh Arc. So it doesn't make anything clearer.

No one was afraid of Jura. At least not the fairy fighters. Yes, he was indeed the August of the arc. Unfortunately we have Mira old rival take out two lacardes of the arc, one after the other. Thus again making it not so clear.

The mishma comment, which I have yet find source of, makes little sense with laxus progress and even less reliable after looking at how mishma deals with power scaling in the first place.

In gmg arc, where sting and rogue were said to be individually stronger than natsu and yet were easily soloed by him when they were in df, it's gonna be hard to believe any hype of that arc, including juras. At least in comparison to fairy tail members.
This hype is afterall the basis of laxus portray which the fans uses most. With others like full fledge laxus against wrecked erza. Or laxus using lightening body speed against erza using pajamas.

Yes, laxus could be strongest after gildarts. But not by huge extent. There in no evidence for that, at least till Tartarus arc.
I think laxus would mid diff natsu (not accounting for lfd) and mid high diff Mira or high diff Mira.
My mid diff means laxus at least need to use his strongest move. And can get little injured as well
Laxus would've easily beat Natsu if he wasn't saved by Gajeel, twice. Gajeel himself was put down rather easy and was render unable to fight Laxus easily.

Erza was stated to be on Natsu's level during Phantom and the only type of superiority Erza held over Natsu was title.

Gray said Gildarts and Laxus were the only people monster who could hang regardless of the seven year gap and if Gildarts was the strongest that logically means Laxus was/is second.

Gray saying that and him referring to Erza then are completely different, you can't brush it away like that.

What's happening now doesn't effect what's happened in the past. Outside of the Fairy Gang ( this includes Jellal) Jura was portrayed by far the strongest and the only person Mavis didn't have a plan for.

Sting and Rouge were never said to be stronger than Natsu. Don't even bring up the stats because that was purely Jason's opinion. Jura's hype was solid and it was never tarnished seeing how he was only ever pushed by the two strongest combatants at the GMG (Jellal and Laxus)

Laxus during the Tarturos was the second strongest by a longest shot. You say he would need med-dif for Base Natsu? LMAO Base Natsu was struggling to best base Tempesta....Somone Laxus two shotted. Laxus>>Base Tempesta>=Base Natsu.

Anyways this is off topic. I'm just reinforcing the fact Mira doesn't hold a candle to Laxus and that GMG Jura>>GMG Mira.

Anybody has yet make a decent argument for the girls.
 

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If laxus was tiers above everyone else. He would have one shotted natsu in ff arc. Instead he needed two of his most strongest move to even put gajeel down, someone who was even more weaker than natsu.
The Gajeel+Natsu team up is what made him seem so powerful in the first place, Gajeel and Natsu were the strongest fighters at the time bar Erza and possibly Mira, and even then Erza acknowledged the possibility that Natsu in a dire situation can be even stronger than her.
Laxus protrayal is not important than everyone else portrayal.
Nothing to do with importance, Laxus has been portrayed as incredibly powerful, Mira has too, but nowhere near as much as Laxus
Before time skip Mira and erza was considerably above natsu by portrayal. Erza by feats as well. Their portrayal can't just be ignored for fan's favourite portrayal.
Uhuh, and before the timeskip i would have considered both Erza and maybe Mira above Natsu.
The fact is no one in the fairy tail verse has ever said laxus is second strongest in fairy tail. Even in the latest arc. There is no what ifs about it.
Cause no one gives a crap about number two, Gray's comment however does place him up there with Gildarts.

Gray saying that in gmg arc is no difference than gray saying no one can take on erza in toh Arc. So it doesn't make anything clearer.
Its less relevant because it is much earlier in the manga, even Gray's comment in GMG is practically meaningless when talking about this arc cause it was too long ago.
No one was afraid of Jura. At least not the fairy fighters. Yes, he was indeed the August of the arc. Unfortunately we have Mira old rival take out two lacardes of the arc, one after the other. Thus again making it not so clear.
Fear of Jura got to the point where even the Mavis thought he would be impossible to defeat, no matter the strategy, this coming from the same character who confidently laughed off Minerva with a grin, shows the two arent even remotely comparable in power.
The mishma comment, which I have yet find source of, makes little sense with laxus progress and even less reliable after looking at how mishma deals with power scaling in the first place.
Was from an interview with Laxus voice actor, as i recall Mashima told him that Laxus was too hard write into the story cause he was too powerful and would beat everyone too quick, i'll try to find the source later.
Doesnt matter if it makes sense or not to you, if Mashima claims it, that is just the way it is.
Oh and it does make sense, look at all the fights Laxus has been in since he's been a good guy.
In Tenrou he had to go up against by far the strongest character yet seen, the final boss of the arc, the guy who had just trashed team Natsu(though they were injured) and even then instead of letting Laxus fight til the end, Mashima had him give all his power to Natsu, giving the BS reason of because Laxus wants someone with the guild mark to win.
In GMG he couldnt fight his dad 1v1, Mashima needed to put the rest of the guild in a 5v1, and again put him up against a super OP character no one thought could be beaten.
In Tartaros after stomping Tempesta, Mashima had to take Laxus out the rest of the arc with MBPs.
And even in the current arc Mashima felt the need to nerf Laxus not once against a spriggan, but twice.
Looking at all this i can understand why Mashima has a hard time writing an entertaining battle for Laxus while keeping the enemies FT has to defeat at a reasonable level that everyone else has a chance against.

In gmg arc, where sting and rogue were said to be individually stronger than natsu and yet were easily soloed by him when they were in df, it's gonna be hard to believe any hype of that arc, including juras. At least in comparison to fairy tail members.
This hype is afterall the basis of laxus portray which the fans uses most. With others like full fledge laxus against wrecked erza. Or laxus using lightening body speed against erza using pajamas.
Jura continued to get hyped even after Natsu beat Sting and Rogue, so no, his hype doesnt lessen because of that, it is clear Mashima still wanted us thinking that he was OP.
I dont see how pajamas help Erza against lightning body.

Yes, laxus could be strongest after gildarts. But not by huge extent. There in no evidence for that, at least till Tartarus arc.
I think laxus would mid diff natsu (not accounting for lfd) and mid high diff Mira or high diff Mira.
My mid diff means laxus at least need to use his strongest move. And can get little injured as well
Mid diff? Maybe, but i dont have Roaring Thunder needed to beat Mira, LD Jaw should do.
 

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The Gajeel+Natsu team up is what made him seem so powerful in the first place, Gajeel and Natsu were the strongest fighters at the time bar Erza and possibly Mira, and even then Erza acknowledged the possibility that Natsu in a dire situation can be even stronger than her.
Nothing to do with importance, Laxus has been portrayed as incredibly powerful, Mira has too, but nowhere near as much as Laxus Uhuh, and before the timeskip i would have considered both Erza and maybe Mira above Natsu. Cause no one gives a crap about number two, Gray's comment however does place him up there with Gildarts.

Its less relevant because it is much earlier in the manga, even Gray's comment in GMG is practically meaningless when talking about this arc cause it was too long ago.
Fear of Jura got to the point where even the Mavis thought he would be impossible to defeat, no matter the strategy, this coming from the same character who confidently laughed off Minerva with a grin, shows the two arent even remotely comparable in power.
Was from an interview with Laxus voice actor, as i recall Mashima told him that Laxus was too hard write into the story cause he was too powerful and would beat everyone too quick, i'll try to find the source later.
Doesnt matter if it makes sense or not to you, if Mashima claims it, that is just the way it is.
Oh and it does make sense, look at all the fights Laxus has been in since he's been a good guy.
In Tenrou he had to go up against by far the strongest character yet seen, the final boss of the arc, the guy who had just trashed team Natsu(though they were injured) and even then instead of letting Laxus fight til the end, Mashima had him give all his power to Natsu, giving the BS reason of because Laxus wants someone with the guild mark to win.
In GMG he couldnt fight his dad 1v1, Mashima needed to put the rest of the guild in a 5v1, and again put him up against a super OP character no one thought could be beaten.
In Tartaros after stomping Tempesta, Mashima had to take Laxus out the rest of the arc with MBPs.
And even in the current arc Mashima felt the need to nerf Laxus not once against a spriggan, but twice.
Looking at all this i can understand why Mashima has a hard time writing an entertaining battle for Laxus while keeping the enemies FT has to defeat at a reasonable level that everyone else has a chance against.

Jura continued to get hyped even after Natsu beat Sting and Rogue, so no, his hype doesnt lessen because of that, it is clear Mashima still wanted us thinking that he was OP.
I dont see how pajamas help Erza against lightning body.

Mid diff? Maybe, but i dont have Roaring Thunder needed to beat Mira, LD Jaw should do.
Unfortunately natsu and gajeel were far below likes of erza.

Yes in right situation if natsu released his power. He could beat laxus, at least that what markarov thought. So again not a huge gap between s class again.

Importance is a factor here. People ignore erza portrayal and states that natsu and erza are pretty close together so that laxus portrayal above erza make sense.
How far back it was is not what I am trying to focus on. Instead how character make bs statements is the focus point.
Erza back then wasn't stronger than markarov
Just like there isn't a huge gap between erza and laxus.
Jura hype carried just like kagura and Minerva. Mavis shat herself at her nuke which did nothing to kagura who was weaker than pre so erza. And markarov was shocked beyond belief that kagura
Was stronger than erza. Which was not true.
Df even shocked jellal. These all events were made for shock factor. Or bs hype. Mishma normal pattern. Nothing special. I can agree that Jura was stronger than erza. But he
Won't beat her anything less extreme diff.
Mishma causally produced bluenote for gildarts in tenriu arc. The reason he is removed from fight is because he is not an important character. Kind of how ishagar saints arnt important.
Laxus lasted like five seconds against hades before collapsing

The strongest move from laxus might finish off natsu. But not someone stronger than him. So if Mira portrayal is accepted as someone stronger than natsu. Laxus need more than that.

What makes sense to me no more or less important than what makes sense to you. Mishma is known for hyping the bad guys. Jura is no difference.
What I meant by last comment is people make unfair comparison to make laxus look stronger. Maybe they aren't aware of it. Some are
Comparing erza performance against laxus vs hades is one.
Comparing laxus lb speed to erza non red pant or souring is
Another.
Ignoring erza hype in favour of others is Also Very common.

Remember s class monster alone
Was supposed to give Jura problem.
 

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Unfortunately natsu and gajeel were far below likes of erza.
Not according to Erza.
Yes in right situation if natsu released his power. He could beat laxus, at least that what markarov thought. So again not a huge gap between s class again.
With Gajeel.
Importance is a factor here. People ignore erza portrayal and states that natsu and erza are pretty close together so that laxus portrayal above erza make sense.
They dont ignore it, they simply see that the two are portrayed as pretty close together, ever since Phantom. Erza is undoubtedly portrayed as the stronger of the two, but they were never portrayed to be in totally different classes, at least not when Natsu is serious.
How far back it was is not what I am trying to focus on. Instead how character make bs statements is the focus point.
Erza back then wasn't stronger than markarov
Just like there isn't a huge gap between erza and laxus.
No, you are simply trying to ignore a character statement that favors Laxus because you dont want to believe that your whole "Laxus is stronger than Erza is just a fan made theory" theory, is a bunch of nonsense, and Gray's statement right there is the proof.
Jura hype carried just like kagura and Minerva. Mavis shat herself at her nuke which did nothing to kagura who was weaker than pre so erza. And markarov was shocked beyond belief that kagura
Was stronger than erza. Which was not true.
Df even shocked jellal. These all events were made for shock factor. Or bs hype. Mishma normal pattern. Nothing special.
Mavis laughed off Minerva like she was nothing, while Jura in her opinion was so powerful that she couldnt think of a way to beat him, Mavis being amazed at the type of magic Minerva uses, doesnt change the fact that Minerva wasnt a player even worth worrying about, Jura going ahead and one shotting Orga, Sabertooth's second strongest wizard, and most powerful in terms of pure power, also doesnt help.
I can agree that Jura was stronger than erza. But he
Won't beat her anything less extreme diff.
Mid, maybe high diff at the most.
Mishma causally produced bluenote for gildarts in tenriu arc. The reason he is removed from fight is because he is not an important character. Kind of how ishagar saints arnt important.
Uhuh, creating a character and a scenario to introduce him that displays how much stronger he is than everyone else, but also cant be a scenario in which he kills or cirtically injures anyone important, while still having said intro still be believable, yeah, i can see why Mashima finds it troubling.
Laxus lasted like five seconds against hades before collapsing
Did better than team Natsu combined, and Hades was trying harder against him, falling to his knees also isnt a sign of defeat, or even that he is close to defeat, Laxus chose to give Natsu the power, as the manga will show you.

The strongest move from laxus might finish off natsu. But not someone stronger than him. So if Mira portrayal is accepted as someone stronger than natsu. Laxus need more than that.
Oh? Thought you were talking about pre Tenrou Natsu, not too sure about how he compares to Mira in GMG, Roaring Thunder probably isnt even needed for Erza.
What makes sense to me no more or less important than what makes sense to you. Mishma is known for hyping the bad guys. Jura is no difference.
What I meant by last comment is people make unfair comparison to make laxus look stronger. Maybe they aren't aware of it. Some are
Comparing erza performance against laxus vs hades is one.
Right, you think us hyping Laxus is unfair cause Erza was injured right? I'll acknowledge she might not have been at her best, but lets get real, inuries dont affect performance that badly for FT members, it certainly wasnt portrayed as a factor in the fight, no one made mention of it, no one cringed from their injuries, plus Wendy enhanced Erza's attack, defense and speed, and lets not forget that she had bloody Natsu and Gray fighting with her.
So an injured Erza who was tougher, stronger and faster thanks to Wendy, with injured Gray who got the same enhancements, with Natsu and Lucy combined did worse against Hades who wasnt even trying, than a Laxus did on a Hades who was...... Yeah... This is why Laxus gets hyped.
Comparing laxus lb speed to erza non red pant or souring is
Another.
Ignoring erza hype in favour of others is Also Very common.

Remember s class monster alone
Was supposed to give Jura problem.
People dont bother with Soaring because Laxus can use LB with all his other abilities, Erza has to change to Soaring and accept its limitations.
Sure, beating the S was impressive, but Jura's followup MPF score being comparable to Gildarts blew that out of the water.

Found the thing,

"Speaking of strength, Mashima-sensei once told me that “Laxus is too strong, and things get settled almost immediately once he appears, making it difficult to mobilise him”

So yeah, like i said, in a league of his own.
 
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Not according to Erza.
With Gajeel.
They dont ignore it, they simply see that the two are portrayed as pretty close together, ever since Phantom. Erza is undoubtedly portrayed as the stronger of the two, but they were never portrayed to be in totally different classes, at least not when Natsu is serious.
No, you are simply trying to ignore a character statement that favors Laxus because you dont want to believe that your whole "Laxus is stronger than Erza is just a fan made theory" theory, is a bunch of nonsense, and Gray's statement right there is the proof.
Mavis laughed off Minerva like she was nothing, while Jura in her opinion was so powerful that she couldnt think of a way to beat him, Mavis being amazed at the type of magic Minerva uses, doesnt change the fact that Minerva wasnt a player even worth worrying about, Jura going ahead and one shotting Orga, Sabertooth's second strongest wizard, and most powerful in terms of pure power, also doesnt help.
Mid, maybe high diff at the most.
Uhuh, creating a character and a scenario to introduce him that displays how much stronger he is than everyone else, but also cant be a scenario in which he kills or cirtically injures anyone important, while still having said intro still be believable, yeah, i can see why Mashima finds it troubling.
Did better than team Natsu combined, and Hades was trying harder against him, falling to his knees also isnt a sign of defeat, or even that he is close to defeat, Laxus chose to give Natsu the power, as the manga will show you.

Oh? Thought you were talking about pre Tenrou Natsu, not too sure about how he compares to Mira in GMG, Roaring Thunder probably isnt even needed for Erza.
Right, you think us hyping Laxus is unfair cause Erza was injured right? I'll acknowledge she might not have been at her best, but lets get real, inuries dont affect performance that badly for FT members, it certainly wasnt portrayed as a factor in the fight, no one made mention of it, no one cringed from their injuries, plus Wendy enhanced Erza's attack, defense and speed, and lets not forget that she had bloody Natsu and Gray fighting with her.
So an injured Erza who was tougher, stronger and faster thanks to Wendy, with injured Gray who got the same enhancements, with Natsu and Lucy combined did worse against Hades who wasnt even trying, than a Laxus did on a Hades who was...... Yeah... This is why Laxus gets hyped.
People dont bother with Soaring because Laxus can use LB with all his other abilities, Erza has to change to Soaring and accept its limitations.
Sure, beating the S was impressive, but Jura's followup MPF score being comparable to Gildarts blew that out of the water.

Found the thing,

"Speaking of strength, Mashima-sensei once told me that “Laxus is too strong, and things get settled almost immediately once he appears, making it difficult to mobilise him”

So yeah, like i said, in a league of his own.
Erza some one who low diffed aria when already wrecked while blinded. aria was low diffing natsu.

Erza need three os members to put her down. Using sneak attack as well. Natsu required effort of one. Who also took out some other people.

Add erza portrayal of being above natsu and him being actually being scared of her.

All this means that erza is near natsu. Then one should also do same with laxus and erza. We have one weird statement of gray saying laxus doesn't need power up (we are later shown that erza actually didn't ) that puts him above erza. So we can easily say that if with all that things erza very near natsu power than with just one statement putting laxus above erza than erza is probably a tier above laxus.

But I am not the only one ignoring character statement. You are too. You ignored gray when he makes it clear that erza is stronger than markarov. You changed marakarov statement of him saying natsu can beat laxus if he releases his true powers and added gajeel. Who was not mentioned at all by markarov in that statement.

Extreme diff win for Jura giving extreme benefit of doubt to Jura. His durability is not high. Having only tanked laxus punches which casual natsu face can do.
Otherwise erza takes it.
I don't know any move of laxus that would put erza down. Natsu would require his strongest as shown in ff arc. Erza is stronger add in lightening empress and admantine. Laxus can probably not beat erza at all even if he stronger.

No Mavis was shocked by that spell. Nothing about type of magic.
Even Jura mentioned its strength.
Ogra is weaker than Minerva by fair amount in pretty much everything. Especially brute strength.
And he had to stay clear of kagura because everyone knew that wasn't gonna be a fight.

Mishma has no real problem with power scaling because he has none.

They are wrecked. They have been involved in four fights. How strong can they be.
Let's compare. In the very next arc. Sting was being portrayed to be able to take out all the fary tail team after only two fights for each member. And non to death fight.
And laxus was in that team.

Laxus can't do any moved in lb either. Only punches. He use it to dodge
Interesting enough kagura and erza makes people in manga impressed by their speed. Even in this arc.
 
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Erza some one who low diffed aria when already wrecked while blinded. aria was low diffing natsu.

Erza need three os members to put her down. Using sneak attack as well. Natsu required effort of one. Who also took out some other people.

Add erza portrayal of being above natsu and him being actually being scared of her.

All this means that erza is near natsu. Then one should also do same with laxus and erza. We have one weird statement of gray saying laxus doesn't need power up (we are later shown that erza actually didn't ) that puts him above erza. So we can easily say that if with all that things erza very near natsu power than with just one statement putting laxus above erza than erza is probably a tier above laxus.

But I am not the only one ignoring character statement. You are too. You ignored gray when he makes it clear that erza is stronger than markarov. You changed marakarov statement of him saying natsu can beat laxus if he releases his true powers and added gajeel. Who was not mentioned at all by markarov in that statement.

Extreme diff win for Jura giving extreme benefit of doubt to Jura. His durability is not high. Having only tanked laxus punches which casual natsu face can do.
Otherwise erza takes it.
I don't know any move of laxus that would put erza down. Natsu would require his strongest as shown in ff arc. Erza is stronger add in lightening empress and admantine. Laxus can probably not beat erza at all even if he stronger.

No Mavis was shocked by that spell. Nothing about type of magic.
Even Jura mentioned its strength.
Ogra is weaker than Minerva by fair amount in pretty much everything. Especially brute strength.
And he had to stay clear of kagura because everyone knew that wasn't gonna be a fight.

Mishma has no real problem with power scaling because he has none.

They are wrecked. They have been involved in four fights. How strong can they be.
Let's compare. In the very next arc. Sting was being portrayed to be able to take out all the fary tail team after only two fights for each member. And non to death fight.
And laxus was in that team.

Laxus can't do any moved in lb either. Only punches. He use it to dodge
Interesting enough kagura and erza makes people in manga impressed by their speed. Even in this arc.
Natsu who fought Aria isnt the same Natsu who fought Gajeel, Phantoms canonical strongest. Erza acknowledged him as her equal or possibly even her superior.

Natsu didnt go down, he simply got knocked on his ass, nothing special.

Natsu is still scared of her, even now, doesnt mean he isnt stronger than her.

The part about Laxus not needing a power up isnt what hypes him, Natsu and Gajeel prob could have beaten Sting and Rogue without it, what hypes him is being in the "monster like" class that Gildarts is in.

Not ignoring anything, Gray's statement about Erza was referring to enemies, not allies. Plus Makarov was a world apart from everyone at the time, characters didnt consider him when comparing power.
Added Gajeel cause thats what actually happened, didnt even realize you were referring to Makarovs statement.

She was shocked before the nuke even came about, she was shocked by the type of magic Minerva used, not by the power she displayed, thats why she stated the name of the magic.
Jura mentioned its strength sure.

Lector has Orga as the strongest in attack power, plus this.
Yeah, Jura oneshotted this guy.

If Mashima says he had a problem, he had a problem.

Not really, Lucy had recovered almost all her power, Erza's fight wasnt too long after Lucy got away from Bluenote, Erza should be doing pretty well, only Gray should be severely weakened, plus Erza had enchantments, plus Natsu, Gray and Lucy.
Difference is that the injuries in GMG were portrayed and stated to be a factor, the injuries in Tenrou were not, no mention at all was given too them.

Laxus can Red Lightning in LB, his offense mainly consists of punches anyway.
Cause Kagura and Erza are fast.
 
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Natsu who fought Aria isnt the same Natsu who fought Gajeel, Phantoms canonical strongest. Erza acknowledged him as her equal or possibly even her superior.

Natsu didnt go down, he simply got knocked on his ass, nothing special.

Natsu is still scared of her, even now, doesnt mean he isnt stronger than her.

The part about Laxus not needing a power up isnt what hypes him, Natsu and Gajeel prob could have beaten Sting and Rogue without it, what hypes him is being in the "monster like" class that Gildarts is in.

Not ignoring anything, Gray's statement about Erza was referring to enemies, not allies. Plus Makarov was a world apart from everyone at the time, characters didnt consider him when comparing power.
Added Gajeel cause thats what actually happened, didnt even realize you were referring to Makarovs statement.

She was shocked before the nuke even came about, she was shocked by the type of magic Minerva used, not by the power she displayed, thats why she stated the name of the magic.
Jura mentioned its strength sure.

Lector has Orga as the strongest in attack power, plus this.
Yeah, Jura oneshotted this guy.

If Mashima says he had a problem, he had a problem.

Not really, Lucy had recovered almost all her power, Erza's fight wasnt too long after Lucy got away from Bluenote, Erza should be doing pretty well, only Gray should be severely weakened, plus Erza had enchantments, plus Natsu, Gray and Lucy.
Difference is that the injuries in GMG were portrayed and stated to be a factor, the injuries in Tenrou were not, no mention at all was given too them.

Laxus can Red Lightning in LB, his offense mainly consists of punches anyway.
Cause Kagura and Erza are fast for people not using magic to enhance themselves.
And aria was blinded and was holding back against desperate natsu. Happy said he was too strong.
Meanwhile erza was trying not to fall unconscious.
The thing is we have performance against same character. Erza was in completely different class.
Markarov statement should have same weight as erza statement. More so since erza is known to undrrestimate herself on occasion. Not always though as she clearly showed denial when laxus boosted he was strongest.

No that was the hype. That these two probably won't need power up to compete. Erza didn't

Yeah agree. Statements are normally wrong. Natsu true power won't be enough to take out erza or laxus. Just like Jura probably isn't stronger than erza.

Nope. Action speaks louder than words always. Gildarts tier anchor which can knock jellal clear out. I won't be surprised if he could take multiple secret art from laxus and still not get knocked out. And pretty sure gmg laxus most strongest hit won't break erza leg. But that bolder would. So mishma shouldn't have any problem making
A laxus plus tier frog to fight him in each arc

Ogra was knocked out by Jura tricking him. He challenged him to take the hit head on. Jura agreed. Then dodged the hit
And knocked him out.

Mavis was more shocked by Minerva nuke than Jura nuke

No he has never shown to do that.
Those are all your opinions. Just like mine. And no More valid.
People look at lb laxus and then go shocked at erza speed.
And whether four fights effect people more or two. Especially erza taking two tera clemare something that was actually powered by gildarts and all other fairys.
Or changing what gray said. That he knows no one who could take on serous erza to only enemies apparently or getting markarov and laxus
And gildarts out of that list.
all are Opinions
No more valid than mine.

The difference between you and me you accept hype unless you don't like it or till they aren't proven wrong.
I after seeing so many crap hypes wait for them to be proven right.
So I go Jura is the strongest in gmg opponents. But might not be stronger than erza or laxus.
If laxus defeats him. Than erza might be able to as well since laxus hasn't shown that huge gap before gmg or in gmg.

I apologise for the crapppy English. I am writing on my phone.
 
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And aria was blinded and was holding back against desperate natsu. Happy said he was too strong.
Meanwhile erza was trying not to fall unconscious.
The thing is we have performance against same character. Erza was in completely different class.
Markarov statement should have same weight as erza statement. More so since erza is known to undrrestimate herself on occasion. Not always though as she clearly showed denial when laxus boosted he was strongest.

No that was the hype. That these two probably won't need power up to compete. Erza didn't

Yeah agree. Statements are normally wrong. Natsu true power won't be enough to take out erza or laxus. Just like Jura probably isn't stronger than erza.

Nope. Action speaks louder than words always. Gildarts tier anchor which can knock jellal clear out. I won't be surprised if he could take multiple secret art from laxus and still not get knocked out. And pretty sure gmg laxus most strongest hit won't break erza leg. But that bolder would. So mishma shouldn't have any problem making
A laxus plus tier frog to fight him in each arc

Ogra was knocked out by Jura tricking him. He challenged him to take the hit head on. Jura agreed. Then dodged the hit
And knocked him out.

Mavis was more shocked by Minerva nuke than Jura nuke

No he has never shown to do that.
Those are all your opinions. Just like mine. And no More valid.
People look at lb laxus and then go shocked at erza speed.
And whether four fights effect people more or two. Especially erza taking two tera clemare something that was actually powered by gildarts and all other fairys.
Or changing what gray said. That he knows no one who could take on serous erza to only enemies apparently or getting markarov and laxus
And gildarts out of that list.
all are Opinions
No more valid than mine.

The difference between you and me you accept hype unless you don't like it or till they aren't proven wrong.
I after seeing so many crap hypes wait for them to be proven right.
So I go Jura is the strongest in gmg opponents. But might not be stronger than erza or laxus.
If laxus defeats him. Than erza might be able to as well since laxus hasn't shown that huge gap before gmg or in gmg.

I apologise for the crapppy English. I am writing on my phone.
Yeah... and that was a weaker Natsu, stronger Natsu beat someone stronger than full power Aria, and was acknowledged by Erza as her equal or possibly her superior.
What statement did Makarov make?

Yeah, it was hype, as i said.

Statements are canon til proven wrong.

So you're taking it upon yourself to decide whats difficult for Mashima and what isnt.... i dont know why i bothered starting this argument again, this is just getting ridiculous.

He did indeed.

Cause Mavis already gave Kana the ace in the hole to beat it.

The only time he used Red Lightning is with LB.
Who was shocked at Erza's speed after having looked at LB Laxus?

It isnt a matter of my opinion vs yours. i could sum up most of my argument by simply posting quotes from the author and images from the manga, you are ignoring canon material here,
Difference is i accept what the manga says unless the manga itself proves otherwise, i dont put my opinion above it just cause its possible my opinion could be right. Manga's words take precedence over a fan's opinion on how things should be.

On your phone? Doesnt that take forever?
 
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Pre-timeskip Natsu was weaker than current Natsu. The Natsu before was using half power just like Igneel with Acnologia , he never used full-power and Igneel was inside him for creating anti-body if he didn't do it ,around GMG would enough powerful dragon slayer. that's why pre-timeskip Natsu couldn't beat Aria
 

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Pre-timeskip Natsu was weaker than current Natsu. The Natsu before was using half power just like Igneel with Acnologia , he never used full-power and Igneel was inside him for creating anti-body if he didn't do it ,around GMG would enough powerful dragon slayer. that's why pre-timeskip Natsu couldn't beat Aria
That isn't exactly true if you think about it.
The only reason Natsu couldn't beat Aria is because he was weaker than him.
Igneel has nothing to do with Natsu's bearing of strength as a mage.
 

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Well actually Erza said Natsu at the time was still suppressing his power, and that he needed to release it and protect the guild, thats why he was able to beat Gajeel but not Aria.
 

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Well actually Erza said Natsu at the time was still suppressing his power, and that he needed to release it and protect the guild, thats why he was able to beat Gajeel but not Aria.
Yeah the phone things take forever. And it really tests your blood pressure

Markarov said if natsu used his real power he could take out laxus. After he said erza could handle laxus.
Simon i think also talked about how no evil thing could stand infront natsu
Same with erza, release your real power natsu.
This was pretty common theme back then.

Yeah, statements are cannon, but with ishigar saint hype, demon gates hype, springgan hype and elemental four hype. It really makes it hard to believe them.
I normally agree with bad guys hype with relationship with themselves, like jura was the strongest opponent in gmg, or august is one of the strongest springings. But when these hype is compared with good guys. l say bs.
Kind of like how natsu was trying hold back igneel power when brandish appeared.
Why didnt he just one shot her instead :notamused
Like nienhart

Yes, because there are context and other stuffs which we might be unaware of. Mishma has zero power scaling credibility.
It took erza what three hits to put ajeel down ,
Wahl couldnt put down laxus suffering from cancer in same amount of hits.
It is normally agreed, that ajeel is stronger than erza.
So if ajeel > erza
Then erza required three hits to finish ajeel
But since wahl cant do that with cancerous laxus then we have at least
Laxus >> laxus almost dieing of cancer >> wahl = ajeel
Which is completely ridiculous a
With power scalling like this, i think i have an excuse.
And of course, dont forget lissana is probably still fighting against ajeel :wall

I mean think about it. It took five seconds, for natsu to handle nienhart. And ajeel is probably still fighting lissana.
So it should be
Natsu >>>> nienhart
Ajeel > lissana

You cant expect me to take his power scaling seriously, can you?

Didnt laxus just kind of leaped at wahl before red lightning. Wahl was laughing his head off at the time. So i didn't think his speed at that particular instance was note worthy

Markarov in gmg was more impressed by erza and kagura speed then he was of laxus lb speed.

But i can also take statement from manga and come up with different things. You have to specifically ignore some stuffs
Jellal wondering who would win, him or erza
Markarov believing that erza could take out laxus
Erza comparing elemental four with s class
Gray saying he knows no one who can take on erza.
Jellal saying erza is tge only one who might be able to handle zero
Sting being stronger than natsu
Markarov believing that kagurs is stronger than erza when he was looking at them fighting
Demon gate saying that curse is superior to magic
Markarov believeing that ajeel could handle natsu plus gray plus erza plus lucy plus wendy plus markarov.
Ajeel believing he can solo ishigar himself.
Ishigar saint being strongest in the continent
Or you adding stuffs to explain erza or kagura speed, to make sense with what you already perceive to be right. The non magic speed thing you speak of.

Simple fact is, erza was shown to be superior to natsu by alot of ways
Laxus wasnt shown at all to be superior to erza
Erza was portrayed to be above natsu by considerable amount
Laxus portrayal above erza is basically around one statement.

So even if i was to agree to
Laxus > erza
I will have priority to something which has been mentioned many times more and actually shown
So it would be erza >> natsu
And in ff arc laxus >> natsu
So this laxus > erza becomes weak

Feats always above portrayal
So aria >= gajeel (blinded aria was low diffing natsu, how much powerful can natsu really get just like that)
By performance
Same with laxus not being tiers above the rest because we already know the difference between laxus and natsu. And erza and natsu.

Think about this for a second. Many people still believe erigor hyping himself after he used his strongest move to blow away natsu weakest spell. Many people still believe that fire is weak to wind.
Then we have silver who decided ice would be best to handle fire demon END.:facepalm

One thing has been consistent throughout the series, bad guys get over hyped to the moon. But never deliver.
If laxus was shown to be above erza by considerable amount before his jura fight i would have agreed. But since he was portrayed to be around erza, and has no specific feat that would put him above erza. I have to believe that jura didnt deliver.

I go by this
Jellal was ws in start of the series
Jura was weakest ws in os arc
Erza was a ws tier in start as well
so pre ts
Jellal >= jura >= erza
Everyone gained same amount of power in timeskip
Well atleast the main character didnt fall behind power iafter the first time skip
So gmg arc
Jellal >= jura >= so erza

Unless, of course you believe erza, one of the mary sues of the manga, is destined to fall behind everyone else. Beside all the main characters got same power up.

Also it took three os memeber to put erza down. Erza knew nothing about them, and they also used sneak attack
Post ts jellal had to go all out to put four os down. With midnight only jumping in at the end. And i dont think he teamed at the end
For speed base
Pre so Erza kagura last strike was so fast that markarov couldnt follow it.
This is the same guy who blocked hades 25 formula
The same kind of spell laxus couldnt dodge

So speed wise there shouldnt be a huge difference

Tenrou erza enduring that tera clemare twice. The same spell which was powered by all fairy members
Which would mean
Tenrou erza durability or endurance >>>>>> gmg laxus
:gwah
Ok, lets just say they are in the same ball park again. Makes more sense

Brute strength. Kagura with sealed sword could wipe out a jupitor tier attack. We know what that can do to titan markarov. Prq so Erza and kagura could still step up their game. So pre so erza should be around tenrou laxus power level.

Erza has been consistently been compared to ws from the start. Laxus wâs compared in gmg and so was pre so erza. Natsu was not.

I use combination of feats and hype. Hype alone in this manga, no way.

I will let you have the final word, unless you specifically request for some answers for convoluted way i power scale.
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^Bruh...... How many hours did it take you to write that essay? @Seven777 would have to be the most patient guy ever if he's going to read all of that on a manga forum website.

Anyway, since I haven't said anything in the power rankings thread since Woodenstool was still a member (RIP), so I want you peeps to rank these good guys:

Laxus
Gildarts
Jellal
Gray (darkness)
Gajeel (jet black iron mode)
Erza
Kagura
Minerva
Sting
Mira
 

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Anyway, since I haven't said anything in the power rankings thread since Woodenstool was still a member (RIP), so I want you peeps to rank these good guys:

Laxus
Gildarts
Jellal
Gray (darkness)
Gajeel (jet black iron mode)
Erza
Kagura
Minerva
Sting
Mira

- Gildartz

- Laxus & Gray

- Gajeel

- Mira & Erza

- Jellal

- Minerva

- Kagura & Sting
 

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Yeah the phone things take forever. And it really tests your blood pressure

Markarov said if natsu used his real power he could take out laxus. After he said erza could handle laxus.
Simon i think also talked about how no evil thing could stand infront natsu
Same with erza, release your real power natsu.
This was pretty common theme back then.

Yeah, statements are cannon, but with ishigar saint hype, demon gates hype, springgan hype and elemental four hype. It really makes it hard to believe them.
I normally agree with bad guys hype with relationship with themselves, like jura was the strongest opponent in gmg, or august is one of the strongest springings. But when these hype is compared with good guys. l say bs.
Kind of like how natsu was trying hold back igneel power when brandish appeared.
Why didnt he just one shot her instead :notamused
Like nienhart

Yes, because there are context and other stuffs which we might be unaware of. Mishma has zero power scaling credibility.
It took erza what three hits to put ajeel down ,
Wahl couldnt put down laxus suffering from cancer in same amount of hits.
It is normally agreed, that ajeel is stronger than erza.
So if ajeel > erza
Then erza required three hits to finish ajeel
But since wahl cant do that with cancerous laxus then we have at least
Laxus >> laxus almost dieing of cancer >> wahl = ajeel
Which is completely ridiculous a
With power scalling like this, i think i have an excuse.
And of course, dont forget lissana is probably still fighting against ajeel :wall

I mean think about it. It took five seconds, for natsu to handle nienhart. And ajeel is probably still fighting lissana.
So it should be
Natsu >>>> nienhart
Ajeel > lissana

You cant expect me to take his power scaling seriously, can you?

Didnt laxus just kind of leaped at wahl before red lightning. Wahl was laughing his head off at the time. So i didn't think his speed at that particular instance was note worthy

Markarov in gmg was more impressed by erza and kagura speed then he was of laxus lb speed.

But i can also take statement from manga and come up with different things. You have to specifically ignore some stuffs
Jellal wondering who would win, him or erza
Markarov believing that erza could take out laxus
Erza comparing elemental four with s class
Gray saying he knows no one who can take on erza.
Jellal saying erza is tge only one who might be able to handle zero
Sting being stronger than natsu
Markarov believing that kagurs is stronger than erza when he was looking at them fighting
Demon gate saying that curse is superior to magic
Markarov believeing that ajeel could handle natsu plus gray plus erza plus lucy plus wendy plus markarov.
Ajeel believing he can solo ishigar himself.
Ishigar saint being strongest in the continent
Or you adding stuffs to explain erza or kagura speed, to make sense with what you already perceive to be right. The non magic speed thing you speak of.

Simple fact is, erza was shown to be superior to natsu by alot of ways
Laxus wasnt shown at all to be superior to erza
Erza was portrayed to be above natsu by considerable amount
Laxus portrayal above erza is basically around one statement.

So even if i was to agree to
Laxus > erza
I will have priority to something which has been mentioned many times more and actually shown
So it would be erza >> natsu
And in ff arc laxus >> natsu
So this laxus > erza becomes weak

Feats always above portrayal
So aria >= gajeel (blinded aria was low diffing natsu, how much powerful can natsu really get just like that)
By performance
Same with laxus not being tiers above the rest because we already know the difference between laxus and natsu. And erza and natsu.

Think about this for a second. Many people still believe erigor hyping himself after he used his strongest move to blow away natsu weakest spell. Many people still believe that fire is weak to wind.
Then we have silver who decided ice would be best to handle fire demon END.:facepalm

One thing has been consistent throughout the series, bad guys get over hyped to the moon. But never deliver.
If laxus was shown to be above erza by considerable amount before his jura fight i would have agreed. But since he was portrayed to be around erza, and has no specific feat that would put him above erza. I have to believe that jura didnt deliver.

I go by this
Jellal was ws in start of the series
Jura was weakest ws in os arc
Erza was a ws tier in start as well
so pre ts
Jellal >= jura >= erza
Everyone gained same amount of power in timeskip
Well atleast the main character didnt fall behind power iafter the first time skip
So gmg arc
Jellal >= jura >= so erza

Unless, of course you believe erza, one of the mary sues of the manga, is destined to fall behind everyone else. Beside all the main characters got same power up.

Also it took three os memeber to put erza down. Erza knew nothing about them, and they also used sneak attack
Post ts jellal had to go all out to put four os down. With midnight only jumping in at the end. And i dont think he teamed at the end
For speed base
Pre so Erza kagura last strike was so fast that markarov couldnt follow it.
This is the same guy who blocked hades 25 formula
The same kind of spell laxus couldnt dodge

So speed wise there shouldnt be a huge difference

Tenrou erza enduring that tera clemare twice. The same spell which was powered by all fairy members
Which would mean
Tenrou erza durability or endurance >>>>>> gmg laxus
:gwah
Ok, lets just say they are in the same ball park again. Makes more sense

Brute strength. Kagura with sealed sword could wipe out a jupitor tier attack. We know what that can do to titan markarov. Prq so Erza and kagura could still step up their game. So pre so erza should be around tenrou laxus power level.

Erza has been consistently been compared to ws from the start. Laxus wâs compared in gmg and so was pre so erza. Natsu was not.

I use combination of feats and hype. Hype alone in this manga, no way.

I will let you have the final word, unless you specifically request for some answers for convoluted way i power scale.
:)
Since that comment is really long, i'll respond like i said i would, with panels

Monster class like Gildarts, this right here should end the discussion.
Too powerful to write into the story, yeah, this guy Laxus
Erza herself amazed at Laxus' power, clear implication that she isnt at that level.
Beat the strongest guy in the Grand Magic Games, better feat than what Erza's got.
Strongest man in his entire guild, a clear cut statement with no room for interpretation, Gajeel is stronger than Aria.
Natsu aint that far behind Erza.

So to some up, Laxus has better potrayal and better feats, there is no room to argue that Erza is at his level, since she has simply not been portrayed that way, or proven herself at that level with comparable feats to Laxus'.
And for the last two panels, yes, Gajeel is Phantoms strongest. No, Erza is not far stronger than Natsu
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^Bruh...... How many hours did it take you to write that essay? @Seven777 would have to be the most patient guy ever if he's going to read all of that on a manga forum website.

Anyway, since I haven't said anything in the power rankings thread since Woodenstool was still a member (RIP), so I want you peeps to rank these good guys:

Laxus
Gildarts
Jellal
Gray (darkness)
Gajeel (jet black iron mode)
Erza
Kagura
Minerva
Sting
Mira
I just have an enormous amount of time on my hands :hip

Gildarts
Laxus
Gajeel DF
Gray Darkness
Jellal
Erza
Mira
Sting
Kagura
Minerva
 

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Why are you doing this to me?
:dancin

Since that comment is really long, i'll respond like i said i would, with panels

Monster class like Gildarts, this right here should end the discussion.
Too powerful to write into the story, yeah, this guy Laxus
Erza herself amazed at Laxus' power, clear implication that she isnt at that level.
Beat the strongest guy in the Grand Magic Games, better feat than what Erza's got.
Strongest man in his entire guild, a clear cut statement with no room for interpretation, Gajeel is stronger than Aria.
Natsu aint that far behind Erza.

So to some up, Laxus has better potrayal and better feats, there is no room to argue that Erza is at his level, since she has simply not been portrayed that way, or proven herself at that level with comparable feats to Laxus'.
And for the last two panels, yes, Gajeel is Phantoms strongest. No, Erza is not far stronger than Natsu
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I just have an enormous amount of time on my hands :hip

Gildarts
Laxus
Gajeel DF
Gray Darkness
Jellal
Erza
Mira
Sting
Kagura
Minerva
Lol, whatever you say bro. Just know that an argument with sharkai isn't gonna get you anything except for smart sarcastic comments and long essays :lmao
- Gildartz

- Laxus & Gray

- Gajeel

- Mira & Erza

- Jellal

- Minerva

- Kagura & Sting
Thanks for your list bro. Any reason why jellal is below Erza and Mira?
 
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