Discussion Alvarez Mages Power Rate - [FINISHED]

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Oh? The Adjudicator is out. Didn't hope that, but I guess it's predictable.

Seems my scores stand out lol. I was too generous :p
 
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He had lightning immunity. He didn't have a weakness to lightning so him getting oneshotted after lightning immunity was bypass shows how weak his durability was.

So? Getting oneshotted by Acno doesn't make you an adversary lol. Gildarts could've took him down imo.
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DiMaria >>>>>> Larcade.
Her Hax >>>>>>>>>> His Hax.
Her Stats >>>>> His Stats.

DiMaria is straight up stronger than Larcade. He definitely ain't top 3.
Remember what Ichiya had said in Kardia Cathedral.Machias are weak to lightning.Wahl had immunity to it but without it he is destroyed by lightning.
 
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Wahl huh? Didnt see that coming, thought for sure it'd be Invel or Brandish. Though other than Neinhart all my predictions have been wrong.
Wahl is mad underrated, I wouldn't be surprised if he goes out soon even though he is easily the 5th strongest spriggan. He has the highest attack power of the spriggan (Top 2 not included) and can spam it just as easily as Serena can. His physical stats are also amongst the highest of the spriggan. His body disposition (being a robot) makes him immune to half of the haxxed magic out there, and his weakness magic covers most of the other half, making him a walking anti-hax machine (literally). DiMaria is the only 'regular' spriggan above him, and thats purely because of Age Seal, and even still with it being stepped on by pseudo END she could potentially go down one or two places.



But that doesn't hit hard, so why does being able to land multiple attacks matter.



It most certainly did not look more impressive, he literally just threw a guard up while Bradman is stopping Gajeels attack with the palm of his hand (base Bradman at that). Bradmans is a display of strength, Jacobs is not.



Yes it does. It allowing Ajeel to assimilate with it cuts Stealths weakness to omnidirectional attacks by half (since he can only be hit when he re-appears). Even when he does take physical form, he still cannot be seen. I'd argue that attacks like Sand Pit are far more dangerous then Transport in battle, let alone Sand World. At least with Sand Pit a solid chunk of the characters have no counter (even if those that do can counter it easily), Transport can be countered by anyone with a pair of legs on them.



Nope, at least 5 seconds. It activates and everyone is surprised, then Makarov has the time to physically ask what the hell is going on (which would take more then a second by itself) and then some more time passes as everyone is aimlessly looking around and then we get a panel showing the outside of the guild with Transport STILL seemingly being in effect. I'd wager that its the higher end of the interval I proposed, definitely not a meager 3 seconds, although even in that case it is still relatively easy to dodge for someone with a shred of battle instinct. Yes trying to put a number on panel-time is dodgy, but the point was quite clear that the attack is far far far from instant.



Its probably more deadly then that because if it wasn't then some of the other attacks Bradman showed would have been better then it, since according to Bradman they weren't that would mean that Gajeel got downright lucky to escape it.



If you mask your bodies properties then you yourself aren't making any sounds, only when coming in contact with an object will THAT object make a sound, but Jacob is an acclaimed assassin so it stands to reason that he knows how to prevent noises from leaking out.



Actually it tanked the initial punch, it only broke when Gray added extra momentum to the thrust.



Sand Pit is damn near instantaneous, Ajeel activated it and Elfman is balls deep in the ground a mili second later. Transport takes far longer. I'd liken Transports speed to Sand Tsunami, probably a little faster but its AoE isn't even a tenth of the latter so its still far less practical.



Sand World was not only used in combat, but used to destroy someone who was holding their own with human Irene. Barely given emphasis? You are talking out of your ass bro, when it was used we had a good 10 different reactions to what was going on. It had more emphasis then pretty much any technique used by a spriggan to date, except maybe Age Seal and Larcades pleasure magic. Its hardly a matter of pretending to know how it works, the fact that a given body occupies a certain amount of space around which everything goes around is something I've known since elementary school. A ghost being made visible by throwing some cooking dough is a concept demonstrated by fucking goosebumps for crying out loud. The situation I am saying will happen happening in another manga is hardly the focus of my point, that was just to put a little extra emphasis on it.

Now tell me, do you seriously believe that Sand World won't reveal Jacob quite easily?
DPS, a single attack from Jacob doesnt do much, but his barrages of attacks do, Just one was able to do more damage to Natsu than Azir's whirlwind was able to do to Erza during the entire time she was trapped in their(due to Marin).

Yeah, it really did. Jacob shrugging off Natsu's attack was given an entire page, and one extra panel zoomed in to show just how unaffected Jacob was, even laughing it off. Bradman blocking Gajeel's punch was just a single zoomed out panel given no particular emphasis. There is no argument that can be made where Bradmans blocking Gajeel's attack was portrayed as more impressive than Jacob blocking Natsu's.

Sand World doesnt affect Stealth at all, since Azir still needs to find where Jacob is, which he has no way of doing. Except no one has ever dodged it the way you say they can. Horologium even acknowledged it as so dangerous that he had to interfere. It is totally out of Sand World's league, let alone Sand Pit's.

Definitely 3 seconds or less. Probably not even that considering we quite clearly see Cana, Max and the others instantly affected by the magic, at that point it was likely too late to do anything, jump or not they wouldve ended up inside Transport.

So you're blaming Gajeel's escape on luck? Seriously? You could say that about almost every feat in the manga cause good feats are rarely repeated twice. No, Gajeel escaped because he could escape, he escaped with Levy because he was strong enough to do it. Transport is an instant kill, Third Seal isnt, not any where close.

Yes, just like coming in to contact with snow makes THAT snow leaves footprints, but Jacob is an acclaimed assassin so it stands to reason that he knows how to prevent leaving tracks.

All right, then Ice armor tanked one and a half punches.

Sand Pit got Elfman, Transport got the whole guild, i dont think i need to say more.

Not Sand World man, that had plenty of emphasis i agree. I was talking about Azir's ability to "talk" to the sand. This ability has never been used in combat and was given no particular emphasis, but you are trying to use in ways we dont know works.

Yeah, but you are just assuming that Azir's sand works as a direct extension of his senses, that can give him the details of the battlefield whenever, despite NOTHING implying it works that way.
Azir used the sand to tell him where FT was, but does that mean he can just sense everything all the time? No, if anything what Azir's sand does is more like a spell he has to activate so he can home in on a specific thing, not some sixth sense he has on all the time.

So yes, Sand World wont reveal Jacob at all, let alone easily.
 
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Wall Eehto
Score: 5,83333333

Highest score: 8 x 2 (@DiMaria Yesta, @randimari)
Lowest score: 2 x 2 (@Brandish, @Zelefomavis)

With that, the first non-human participant in this rate has fallen. It's Wall, my former favourite Spriggan, before Dimaria stole my heart. His design and personality are just excellent. Enough said about his characteristics for now, I think that the ninth spot is a good moment to say goodbye to our most beloved robot. I gave this piece of metal a 7,5.

How long have we actually waited to get a solid explanation of Wall's magic, though? Did we actually get an explanation anyway? Kagura referred to his magic as Alchemy the other day and well, that was it. But it all became a bit more clear; he can basically create whatever type of machine whenever he wants. An interesting, outright epic magic type and maybe one of my Spriggan's favourites. His most recognizable feat, of course, is the fact that he can analyse other people's weakness and process them into his machines. So yeah, we can conclude that Wall is a counter to like every mage. And with that I'm not even done yet. I hope y'all didn't forget his most impressive feat of all; this man has control over Etherion itself. Yes, Etherion. You know, that secret weapon of the Magic Council that can wipe away an entire area. It's a shame that it takes a very long time before it's activated, though. Wall would've definitely ended up higher in this list if that weapon didn't have any loading time, mark my words. I'm not going to start about his fight against Laxus, because.. You know, I absolutely don't agree with the way he was defeated by our man. Oh, and Neinhart made a Historia version of him. He ended up getting trolled by Minerva.. Or Makarov? You guys may pick one yourself. Long live off-screen fights!

Overview
Magic: Weakness
Spriggan Team: South
Highlights: Chapter 459, 460, 461, 472 & 473​
nah, I wouldn't say he was trolled.

Minerva is a pretty powerful mage.

the fact that she extreme diffted him speaks volumes of his strength.

but damn he has such a low score.

do you guys remember when he just send his fake self to Hargeon where he rocked the Raijinshū and Ichiya until they destroyed his fake???

or when his Weakness bots pushed Gray to switch with Juvia, Mirajane got owned, Elfman got owned etc???

and that was just his FAKE.

I swear if Bloodman is next then people are clueless.
 

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Remember what Ichiya had said in Kardia Cathedral.Machias are weak to lightning.Wahl had immunity to it but without it he is destroyed by lightning.
lol that's not true fam. It's been said hella times Machias are immune to lightning. You would have to show what you're talking about cause it's making no sense
 

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I hope the next is Brandish, i dont see Brandish is Mid Tier Spriggan lvl.
And GodSerena and Invel are Top Spriggan lvl after Irene,August and Larcarde.
 

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Ajeel at 11
Wall at 9
This is seriously wrong, next thing I know Dimaria is top 3.
Between all Spriggans, Wall has shown the best firepower alongside Serena, he was owning Laxus(even though he was dying,but its still Laxus) in Battle Mode until BS kicked in(Red Lightning).In his historia, he was on par with Minerva while not even being in Battle Mode.
If anything, like Monty said, Ajeel and Wall are pretty underrated.
Brandish > Ajeel or Wall is just :fail
TL;DR : Brandish is pretty overrated, same for Dimaria but to a less extent.
 

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Brandish is pretty overrated, same for Dimaria but to a less extent.
Dimaria is okay but Brandish???
Cmon she show nothing strong feats to put she above Whal and Ajeel....
For me is Brandish after Neinhart the weakst spriggan.
 

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Honestly I would've had Brandish in at #9 and Wall at #8. I think Wall is the better Spriggan out of the two given what both can do, and I also think that Brandish is, for lack of a better word, overhyped, so that's why I'd slot them there.
 

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DPS, a single attack from Jacob doesnt do much, but his barrages of attacks do, Just one was able to do more damage to Natsu than Azir's whirlwind was able to do to Erza during the entire time she was trapped in their(due to Marin).
No it wasn't, not even close. Even by the end of the fight Natsu didn't have nearly as much damage as Erza did.

Yeah, it really did. Jacob shrugging off Natsu's attack was given an entire page, and one extra panel zoomed in to show just how unaffected Jacob was, even laughing it off. Bradman blocking Gajeel's punch was just a single zoomed out panel given no particular emphasis. There is no argument that can be made where Bradmans blocking Gajeel's attack was portrayed as more impressive than Jacob blocking Natsu's.
Dude, he guarded against it, it didn't land directly and he didn't physically stop it either. The most we got out of that scene was that Jacob can successfully guard against casual Natsu kick level attacks. That doesn't do anything for his physical strength and if you seriously consider that an impressive durability feat then I don't know what else to say.

Sand World doesnt affect Stealth at all, since Azir still needs to find where Jacob is, which he has no way of doing. Except no one has ever dodged it the way you say they can. Horologium even acknowledged it as so dangerous that he had to interfere. It is totally out of Sand World's league, let alone Sand Pit's.
Yes he does, the second he uses Sand World he will know where Jacob is. Its no different then throwing undodgable powder everywhere, Jacobs outline is going to be perma revealed. Because they were all in a building with Jacob at the only exit, are you seriously going to try and use the "no one has so no one can" argument right now? Sand World is out of Transports league, as is Sand Tsunami and Sand Pit. I'd argue that the sand golem is more dangerous then Transport is.

Definitely 3 seconds or less. Probably not even that considering we quite clearly see Cana, Max and the others instantly affected by the magic, at that point it was likely too late to do anything, jump or not they wouldve ended up inside Transport.

So you're blaming Gajeel's escape on luck? Seriously? You could say that about almost every feat in the manga cause good feats are rarely repeated twice. No, Gajeel escaped because he could escape, he escaped with Levy because he was strong enough to do it. Transport is an instant kill, Third Seal isnt, not any where close.
You are the one that insisted that its his strongest curse. Gajeel couldn't do anything about Mards curse or the 2nd curse and yet he escaped the third curse which is "stronger" so yes, nothing but luck.

Yes, just like coming in to contact with snow makes THAT snow leaves footprints, but Jacob is an acclaimed assassin so it stands to reason that he knows how to prevent leaving tracks.
LMAO nope, this seriously doesn't work in your favour.

All right, then Ice armor tanked one and a half punches.
Grays punch >>> injuring a Loli.

Sand Pit got Elfman, Transport got the whole guild, i dont think i need to say more.
Besides the point. Sand Pit is damn near instantaneous, Transport was clearly not. The entire guild wouldn't have been capable of doing anything about Sand Pit either, not that that point is really relevant.

Not Sand World man, that had plenty of emphasis i agree. I was talking about Azir's ability to "talk" to the sand. This ability has never been used in combat and was given no particular emphasis, but you are trying to use in ways we dont know works.
Oh ok, but why would that have any emphasis? Its not some crazy ability, its just a basic innate ability he has. I'm not using it in the way you think I am.

Yeah, but you are just assuming that Azir's sand works as a direct extension of his senses, that can give him the details of the battlefield whenever, despite NOTHING implying it works that way. Azir used the sand to tell him where FT was, but does that mean he can just sense everything all the time? No, if anything what Azir's sand does is more like a spell he has to activate so he can home in on a specific thing, not some sixth sense he has on all the time.
NO. No it doesnt need to work like that, Ajeel can see in the sand, we KNOW that. We also know that sand won't just pass through where Jacob is because he is still technically there so there will be a big glarring human sized space that has no sand.
 

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I can see either Brandish or Bloodman going down next or maybe even Invel.
 

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Invel go next.
 

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Id say brandish then invel is next
 

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I don't wanna see Brandish, Dimaria or God Serena before 6. Invel gonna be next. Bloodman shouldn't be next simply cause he's immune to ice as a ice devil slayer meaning he's above invel
 

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Fun fact for in between: the score difference between #9 and today's elimination, #8, is rounded 0,06 points. The last voter literally determined these two positions.

STAY TUNED.
 

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It's going to be Brandish, then God Serena.

Those two have the least amount of feats in the manga compared to all the other contestants still in. Except for August of course, but he's going to be the last one standing.

Aside from the complete fodder Spriggans, I think the ones with the least amount of feats should go first. That would make the most sense. Wahl was killed too early. He actually had decent feats.
 

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Its Invel or God Serena next.
Invel for the reasons I stated yesterday, God Serena simply because the dude got murked twice before he flexed so we're left wondering for the rest of our miserable lives the extent of his powers.
Though taking down the Gods of Ishgar is pretty impressive considering not many of the Spriggan 12 were able to defeat their respective opponents this arc.
 
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