Discussion Alvarez Mages Power Rate - [FINISHED]

[Spirit]

This might actually turn out to be Irene, Larcade, August
But probably not

 

[Static]

What if it turns out to be August, Irene and Larcade in that order?

The disaster

 

[The President]

DiMaira got beat by a grown up Loli and an old hags thought projection, loosing to Sting + Rogue + Kagura is fine in comparison..............

Really happy about the top 3 being how they should be. DiMaria is one of the most overrated characters in FT by a select few (the people who think Age Seal works on anyone) along with (surprisingly) Bradman. Serena is no longer overrated in my books, which I'm happy about.

 

[Static]

DiMaira got beat by a grown up Loli and an old hags thought projection, loosing to Sting + Rogue + Kagura is fine in comparison..............

Really happy about the top 3 being how they should be. DiMaria is one of the most overrated characters in FT by a select few (the people who think Age Seal works on anyone) along with (surprisingly) Bradman. Serena is no longer overrated in my books, which I'm happy about.

I definitely don't think Age Seal affects everyone and anyone because I do believe it is determined by NLF (so anyone with a vast magic power like Irene, August, END etc are immune to it / resist it) but I definitely do believe it can affect Larcade...

 

[SirSamuel016]

Well, I'm a bit disappointed with how this has turned out so far. I feel like some Spriggans should've been higher while others should've been lower. I may as well reveal how I'd rate the spriggans:
1. August
2. Irene
3. Dimaria
4. God Serena
5. Invel
6. Larcade
7. Bloodman
8. Wall
9. Brandish
10. Ajeel
11. Jacob
12. Neinhart
So yeah, I'm currently expecting August to be #1, Irene to be #2 and Larcade to be #3 in this. I definitely don't think Larcade should be top three though.

Just too much godlyness it in, the combo itself is just dope.

But God Serena wasn't in the north...

 

[Jko]

DiMaira got beat by a grown up Loli and an old hags thought projection, loosing to Sting + Rogue + Kagura is fine in comparison..............

Really happy about the top 3 being how they should be. DiMaria is one of the most overrated characters in FT by a select few (the people who think Age Seal works on anyone) along with (surprisingly) Bradman. Serena is no longer overrated in my books, which I'm happy about.

God Slayer at her prime vs. The pushover who got soloed by Larcade's uncle a year ago. Lol. TO Sherria barely won after being enhanced by Wendy. Tell me how Larcade beats Age Seal? Oh wait he can't.

DiMaria beat Brandish and was forced to be beaten by a prime of prime prodigious God Slayer enchanted by Wendy who's an OG Enchanter and a Time Mage who could barely negated her Timestop for a short amount of time, and Etherious Natsu Dragneel.

vs.

Larcade who only won against Kagura and got beat by Sting who was only enhanced a bit by Rogue's leftover magic. Oh he was also tossed by Base Sting and Frosch negated his hax.

Way different caliber of feats. It's clear as day

 

[Brandish μ]

Chronos without Age Seal is easily the most overrated Spriggan. I actually think that AS is worth a degree of separation from the combat Spriggs like Wall and Serena... so Dim's got 3 from me.

But being above Larcade is just silly, so thankfully that didn't happen.

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1. August
2. Irene
3. Dimaria
4. God Serena
5. Invel
6. Larcade
7. Bloodman
8. Wall
9. Brandish
10. Ajeel
11. Jacob
12. Neinhart

 

[The President]

God Slayer at her prime vs. The pushover who got soloed by Larcade's uncle (Plotsu Dragneel) a year ago. Lol.

Yeah, exactly.

TO Sherria barely won after being enhanced by Wendy. Tell me how Larcade beats Age Seal? Oh wait he can't.

Yeah, cause she just using her physical stats. When she used magic she one-shotted her. Meanwhile Larcade stops Kaguras swing with three fingers. He walks through it like anyone at a sufficient level would.

DiMaria beat Brandish and was forced to be beaten by a prime of prime prodigious God Slayer enchanted by Wendy who's an OG Enchanter and a Time Mage who could barely negated her Timestop for a short amount of time, and Etherious Natsu Dragneel.

A Brandish who wasn't even battle ready and a spriggan who's pretty low-tier (among spriggans) to begin with and was given trouble by Lucy. Ultear actually negated Age Seal for quite a while. Getting curbed by Pseudo END is the most embarrassing feat for her, and totally exposed her to boot.

Larcade who only won against Kagura and got beat by Sting who was only enhanced a bit by Rogue's leftover magic. Oh he was also tossed by Base Sting and Frosch negated his hax.

Curbed Kagura. Would have curbed Sting if he wasn't the perfect counter to one of his magics, got bailed out by Rogue for another and was aided by both Rogue and Kagura for the third. Outright stated to be a secret weapon by Zeref, highlighted for his power by Mavis (DiMaria was not), stated to be nigh unbeatable by August (granted this particular statement lost some credibility) and stated to be in the top 3 himself. Thats what, 4 different sources saying he is among the strongest spriggan? Not to mention, he downed almost the entirety of Isghars side and greatly hindered characters like Irene. I'm sorry but Larcade being above Dimaria is nothing short of factual.

 

[Takuan]

DiMaira got beat by a grown up Loli and an old hags thought projection, loosing to Sting + Rogue + Kagura is fine in comparison..............

You're right But le's see it differently:

Dimaria got her main magic countered by one of the very few mages that can manipulate time: Ultear The other characters who proved to be capable of such a feat so far are Zeref, CSK and Dimaria herself. So Dimaria got really unlucky to face one of the 3 people able to counter her.
She got damaged and eventually defeated by a mage who yields the magic most suited to damage her: a God Slayer mage. Not only that but this mage was at her full potential thanks to an incredible powerup, Third Origin.
And that's not all: that mage was also being enhanced by Wendy's enchantments. After Erza proved to be able to defeat Irene's dragon form thanks to Wendy's enchantment, or how in general Wendy's enchantments were proven to be close to Irene's level, it's not hard to believe that Wendys enchantment on Sherria was decisive in that fight.
Overall when seeing things this way, Dimaria's defeat doesn't seem that lame.

Larcade being defeated by Sting Rogue and Kagura, that's giving a lot of credit to Kagura who was only useful because Sting wasn't able to control Rogue's power. I see WSD Sting as an inexperienced GMG Future Rogue.

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He walks through it like anyone at a sufficient level would.

Im just going to quote this part because i think that's a wild assumption.
Larcade's hax was shown to affect even Zeref and Irene, though Larcade isn't supposed to be in their level. Age Seal might work the same way, regardless of the MP difference. I don't think so, but it has never been proven and is only an assumption coming from END walking through it.
My opinion is the same as yours: Age Seal doesn't work if the difference of MP is too big. It is comparable to Mass Manipulation which didn't work on END and on enhanced Neinhart. But that's precisely the point: Brandish's magic usually works on Neinhart (thus on Spriggan tier opponent), just like Age Seal worked on Brandish. But it was resisted by enhanced Neinhart, which made Brandish say 'he's been enhanced THAT MUCH ?!'
To me it shows that a pretty big difference is needed to order to negate such hax like MM or AS.
Is there that big of a difference between Dimaria's MP and Larcade's MP? I doubt it really.

 

[Arjuna]

It's a good thing Dimaria went before Larcade.

Now the next 3 will be Larcade,Irene and August.

 

[The President]

Dimaria got her main magic countered by one of the very few mages that can manipulate time: Ultear The other characters who proved to be capable of such a feat so far are Zeref, CSK and Dimaria herself. So Dimaria got really unlucky to face one of the 3 people able to counter her.

Pseudo END countered her very nicely and he doesn't have time magic.

And that's not all: that mage was also being enhanced by Wendy's enchantments. After Erza proved to be able to defeat Irene's dragon form thanks to Wendy's enchantment, or how in general Wendy's enchantments were proven to be close to Irene's level, it's not hard to believe that Wendys enchantment on Sherria was decisive in that fight.

She wasn't enhanced by Wendy's enchantments. Wendy simply conjured a barrier to block one attack, when Wendy boosts someone it looks far different. I'm chalking up the whole Erza business post-broken bones to unhealthy quantities of POF (aka I don't put much stock in it).

Overall when seeing things this way, Dimaria's defeat doesn't seem that lame.

I only made it seem like because people were making Larcades defeat seem lame, when in reality it actually took far more to defeat him.

Larcade being defeated by Sting Rogue and Kagura, that's giving a lot of credit to Kagura who was only useful because Sting wasn't able to control Rogue's power. I see WSD Sting as an inexperienced GMG Future Rogue.

Even base Sting is likely far stronger then Future Rogue. Future Rogue was around GMG Laxus level, at most you could put him a tier above that. As far as I am concerned, no one at that level is even remotely hindering even so much as a low-tier spriggan level character, let alone a high level one like Larcade.

And yeah, I recognize that that makes virtually no sense, but hiro was never consistent with his power levels.

Larcade's hax was shown to affect even Zeref and Irene, though Larcade isn't supposed to be in their level. Age Seal might work the same way, regardless of the MP difference.

Zeref seemed to be mildly annoyed. August was not affected at all. Irene was hindered but not to the same extent as Gildarts (and I do think that Larcade defeats human Irene). Their were clearly different levels of being affected and Larcades magic was outlined for its lethalness so I have no qualms in assuming that its a type of hax that hits characters above his level (again tho, to different extents). AS on the other hand got no-sold by pseudo END, who quite frankly was not all that impressive.

 

[Nemispelled]

Well, the Spriggan 12 Power Rating has been quite a journey thus far... Unfortunately, I think you guys are gonna have to continue without me because it seems all the energy on my end has suddenly disappeared..

Jokes aside, I must say: The only thing I learned throughout all of this was that my opinions on the Spriggans are drastically different from the general consensus here..

I'm only confident that August makes first, but that's as obvious as Gray using Ice Magic.

 

[Axiomus]

So long as we don't do something silly like "Larcade > August/Irene", I am happy.

 

[Arjuna]

I am surprised you are one of those who rate DiMaria above Larcade. And Invel..he is that high.

Mind explaining this?

Probably because Invel casted Ice Slave on Sammy and manipulated his rankings.


In my opinion Invel is bit stronger than Ajeel.

 

[Takuan]

@Dr. Monty i guess you debunked my post quite nicely huh =)
I agree with what you said. Especially "Hiro was never consistent with his power levels" and "Larcade would defeat human Irene".

 

[BluePegasus]

The Magic King vs. The High Enchanter vs. The White Dragneel

Top 3

 

[Arjuna]

Well of course Larcade will go first

Then Irene

Then August.

 

[Doughboy]

DiMaira got beat by a grown up Loli and an old hags thought projection, loosing to Sting + Rogue + Kagura is fine in comparison..............

Sherria was at the highest point of her life in terms of power. She's a God Slayer, Dimaria-Chronos' weakness and got beat by Sherria's strongest spell that could of killed Wendy if Sherria wasn't exhausted. No issue if you think she's overrated (she's not to me in the least bit, probably the most underrated to maybe Wall or God Serena, maybe Bloodman) but gotta put it in context my dude.

 

[BluePegasus]

Uuhhh...















Aahhh...















What is this...?














It feels... So amazing...
























"Oh my... Please pardon my impetuous actions."





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#3

Larcade Dragneel
Score: 7,9375

Highest score: 10 x 1 (@BluePegasus)
Lowest score: 5 x 1 (@Nemispelled)

Yeah...

I gave this a 10...

AND Y'ALL NEED TO DEAL WITH IT.

Larcade is like.. Well, what to say? Something else. He is the Zeref when it comes to Light Magic. The king when it comes to hax magic. Alvarez' secret weapon; a mage that is capable of doing things that even the Magic King can't do. The only mage that possesses magic that can match Acnologia himself. In this very rate, the only Spriggans that got full marks of me are August and, yes indeed, Larcade.

Okay, so most of you completely lost your vision on Larcade after he got somehow defeated by Sting. Yes, that happened. But did you all forget how this could happen anyway? Larcade is an expert in Light Magic; basically all his spells come of this source. Sting would probably be the only one of whole Ishgar's army, maybe aside of Mavis, that could stand a chance against him. Why? Because Light Magic is useless against a White Dragon Slayer. Just like August himself said, defeating Larcade is more or less and impossibility; and that's hella true. Remember when he almost took out a battlefield filled with like thousands of people using Pleasure alone? Heck, he even affected Zeref and Irene. That is a feat, and a fairly impressive one. I see all of you NLF fans out there, but unfortunately for you guys Larcade's magic is the only magic that's literally confirmed to not be a NLF. Yes, it would affect Acnologia. And yes, he'd put up a fight against him that both August and Irene could only dream of.

Aside from receiving an insane amount of hype, what did this man actually do? Well, like I said, he was about to "oneshot" thousands of people at the same time. Unfortunately, daddy Zeref begged him to stop. So what happened next? Kagura dared to challenge him, and surprisingly managed to be the first one ever to somehow counter Pleasure. After that, she actually found an opening to attack him; but failed. Larcade, caps lock on, BLOCKED UNSEALED ARCHENEMY WITH BARE HANDS! Your faves could never. Larcade showed one of the most impressive defense ratio ever with only using.. A hand? I'm slayed.

So, after Pleasure kinda lost its potential, Larcade showed two new types of magic that are actually even more powerful. Soul of the Wicked Meal is one, making the victim suffer from absolute hunger to a point they consider to become cannibal. Yes, that's real hunger. The second, R.I.P., is frankly the most impressive out of all. This spell makes you feel drowsy to a point you fall asleep; never being able to wake up again. Just a slowly, unavoidable death. Unless you can sharpen your senses by turning into a shadow! That logic though.

Transport was not ultimate. Command T was not ultimate. Age Seal was not ultimate. Larcade is ultimate. Just like our man said by himself: "Humans cannot possibly defy their desires. Not even Acnologia can." With that, goodnight.

Overview
Magic: Pleaure, Soul of the Wicked Meal, R.I.P.
Spriggan Team: North
Highlights: Chapter 493, 508, 509, 510, 511, 512​

 

[Takuan]

Finally this guy is out of the window. Im not saying he doesn't deserve his place, but at least we can focus on the real top tier Spriggans.
This guy's fucking lame so i won't even talk about him.