Chapter Tower of God Chapter 320 Discussion / 321 Predictions

[4n0m4ly]

FUG is neither good nor bad, they are just an organization of people who want Zahard dead.
Currently there seem to be two sides in FUG.

The Karaka side (white, rachel, emily, karaka, etcetra)
Who think baam will not be able to help them since he doesnt want what they want thus want another way to kill the king,and unlock the next floor and stop baam(since he could be dangerous to them)
Also the devils right arm is somehow connected to the emily plot. He wants to use emily to "destroy everything"

and the Baam side(Baam,Ha jinsung,Hwaryun,Po bidau, Luslec,etc.)
Who want baam to kill the king and unlock the next floor(probably).
Wol Ha Ik Song and Baam's teammates are also on his side.

With all the new reveals(why Enne Zahard went crazy) i have a theory about Po Bidau Gustang:
He gave the thorn to FUG and helped Baam at the end of the Workshop battle because he knows the truth about Zahard as well.
Until now it did not make any sense why he acted the way he did, but if you take into consideration that he would know the truth, it is a different situation.
If he knows that Zahard made his daughter go crazy it would be normal to want revenge and to help FUG/Baam.

Also, with the new reveals, FUG may not be so bad after all(with the exception of some members e.g. White).

What do you guys think?
And sorry if this is the wrong place for this theory, but considering that the reveals that I am talking about were made in the two latest preview chapters, I did not know where to put it.

And i think Urek Mazino will fight against White... because he will be the only person stronger than white when white gets the souls.

 

[alkaliexce]

No one seems to bring up that fact that Arlen is still immortal and probably alive in the current timeline which begs the question of where she is through all these events?

 

[axl2608]

No one seems to bring up that fact that Arlen is still immortal and probably alive in the current timeline which begs the question of where she is through all these events?

Well, she took Baam outside, so maybe she will not be back in the tower.
But we still don't know why Baam was in the cave alone and where was she at that point.

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I read the comments from the normal chapter now and there was one that had an interesting idea in it.
He said the when the soul sucking fish tried to take Baam's soul, it said that something was missing before pulling out the rest of the souls.
Could it be that, because Baam died at the hands of Zahard, he doesn't have a soul anymore?

 

[kkck]

Wow, this is quite a bombshell chapter. So enryu turned out to be a forgotten partner of the 10 family heads....

I get that he was angry at what zahard was going to the land of her beloved but I find it weird that he would go as far as killing the administrator. How is that better than what zahard did to the place? I am guessing this is something that will make a lot of sense once we get the details though.

I wonder if enryu is dead now. He didn't make an immortality contract with the administrators... He could have simply died of old age after such a long time. And interestingly, this also means grace is likely still alive, somewhere...

So bam is from the floor of death. Wouldn't that mean the cave he was in was the floor of death as well? And rachel would be from the floor of death as well. My guess here is that bam is indeed the dead baby in question that somehow revived. Holy shit, we might be about to see the cave where bam spent so many years in....

Seriously, now I have so many questions regarding that damned grave. If bam is the resurrected baby.... does that mean the cave he was at is his grave from which he crawled out of after reviving? Or did perhaps rachel put him there (that was my original theory)? If rachel did place him there, was that after or before he revived?

In a way now it kinda makes sense that rachel would want to leave... She was from a literally god forsaken place ruled by death and the only way to escape it normally was to give up her soul to that guardian thing. Then she spent time with grace hearing about freedom and stars.... And she wouldn't be chosen to climb the tower... So then she finds bam, figures out a way to use him to open the door and finally gets out of the floor. And bam follows.

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I wonder if we are nearing the end of rachel's saga as a whole. Bam has been climbing after her for the most part but the story has also kinda moved on with the whole thing with him eventually confronting zahard. However at the same time bam has never had much reason to actually fight zahard. So perhaps in this floor of death bam finally finishes dealing with rachel, who at least absolutely kept him trapped in a cave and finally gets a reason to go after zahard.

 

[Kadir0]

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I read the comments from the normal chapter now and there was one that had an interesting idea in it.
He said the when the soul sucking fish tried to take Baam's soul, it said that something was missing before pulling out the rest of the souls.
Could it be that, because Baam died at the hands of Zahard, he doesn't have a soul anymore?

The fish that said something was missing was the one that was taking Hockney's soul, earlier when Hockney told Baam that once your soul is taken, you can't never get back, Baam asked how he got out of the FOD then and Hockney never gave him an answer. Hockney has probably a secret too that let him in and out no matter how many times his soul is taken, and that was what the little fish felt.

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Wow, this is quite a bombshell chapter. So enryu turned out to be a forgotten partner of the 10 family heads....

I get that he was angry at what zahard was going to the land of her beloved but I find it weird that he would go as far as killing the administrator. How is that better than what zahard did to the place? I am guessing this is something that will make a lot of sense once we get the details though.

I wonder if enryu is dead now. He didn't make an immortality contract with the administrators... He could have simply died of old age after such a long time. And interestingly, this also means grace is likely still alive, somewhere...

It was never mentioned that he was one of the family heads, if he was a messenger of the god that took Baam, then he has every reason to attack the 43rd, and that guardian was probably supporting Zahard.

If people like Hoaqin can live thousands of years, why would god like being like Enryu can die an old age.

 

[Bigsprink]

Wow, this is quite a bombshell chapter. So enryu turned out to be a forgotten partner of the 10 family heads....

I get that he was angry at what zahard was going to the land of her beloved but I find it weird that he would go as far as killing the administrator. How is that better than what zahard did to the place? I am guessing this is something that will make a lot of sense once we get the details though.

I wonder if enryu is dead now. He didn't make an immortality contract with the administrators... He could have simply died of old age after such a long time. And interestingly, this also means grace is likely still alive, somewhere...

So bam is from the floor of death. Wouldn't that mean the cave he was in was the floor of death as well? And rachel would be from the floor of death as well. My guess here is that bam is indeed the dead baby in question that somehow revived. Holy shit, we might be about to see the cave where bam spent so many years in....

Seriously, now I have so many questions regarding that damned grave. If bam is the resurrected baby.... does that mean the cave he was at is his grave from which he crawled out of after reviving? Or did perhaps rachel put him there (that was my original theory)? If rachel did place him there, was that after or before he revived?

In a way now it kinda makes sense that rachel would want to leave... She was from a literally god forsaken place ruled by death and the only way to escape it normally was to give up her soul to that guardian thing. Then she spent time with grace hearing about freedom and stars.... And she wouldn't be chosen to climb the tower... So then she finds bam, figures out a way to use him to open the door and finally gets out of the floor. And bam follows.

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I wonder if we are nearing the end of rachel's saga as a whole. Bam has been climbing after her for the most part but the story has also kinda moved on with the whole thing with him eventually confronting zahard. However at the same time bam has never had much reason to actually fight zahard. So perhaps in this floor of death bam finally finishes dealing with rachel, who at least absolutely kept him trapped in a cave and finally gets a reason to go after zahard.

Not at all Enryu was the messenger from God (most likely phantaminum) not one of the 10 warriors. And anybody living in the tower is effectively immortal as far as aging goes without the immortality contracts so nor is he dead. Only difference with the ten heads contract pretty much makes them impervious to harm.

I'm thinking Arlen kept his body from degrading and when enryu showed up he used his power to create life to bring Bam back to life. But this went against the natural laws of the tower so the gaurdian decided to intervene thus Enryu killed him. After this Enryus master (phanta) charged Zahards castle and warned him what would happen if he tried to harm the boy.

Just a theory though.

And Fug is definitely bad lol they've been the antagonists the whole series

 

[kkck]

Not at all Enryu was the messenger from God (most likely phantaminum) not one of the 10 warriors. And anybody living in the tower is effectively immortal as far as aging goes without the immortality contracts so nor is he dead. Only difference with the ten heads contract pretty much makes them impervious to harm.

I'm thinking Arlen kept his body from degrading and when enryu showed up he used his power to create life to bring Bam back to life. But this went against the natural laws of the tower so the gaurdian decided to intervene thus Enryu killed him. After this Enryus master (phanta) charged Zahards castle and warned him what would happen if he tried to harm the boy.

Just a theory though.

And Fug is definitely bad lol they've been the antagonists the whole series

Ah, you are right, I was thinking V was enryu for a sec, got them mixed up. I wonder if enryu really works for phantaminum.... That would be kinda odd. Then again, him killing an administrator and just kinda appearing is unusual as well. I could see enryu being a friend to the 12 guys who originally climbed the tower and went in there to get revenge for grace so to speak. I mean, those guys likely had lives of their own before they got to the tower. If that is the case it is not too weird those who did not accompany them would take issue with the stuff done by the 10 family heads and zahard.

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It was never mentioned that he was one of the family heads, if he was a messenger of the god that took Baam, then he has every reason to attack the 43rd, and that guardian was probably supporting Zahard.

If people like Hoaqin can live thousands of years, why would god like being like Enryu can die an old age.

You are right, I got him mixed up with "V".

Well, but the 43rd guardian is hardly the only one supporting zahard and his group. So it makes little sense that that would be the reason to do this. Enryu for whatever reason likely did this in relation to grace and potentially even bam. I do agree with the idea that enryu revived bam. Bam's corpse being there along with his convenient ability to bring back the dead would explain that. I guess we can't rule out enryu being related to a different axis from phantaminum though.

Well, there is a difference between being immortal and the prolonged lifespan people have within the tower. Only the 10 family heads and zahard are properly immortal. And enryu is without a doubt not a god or immortal. According to the wikia, SIU has already made the point that enryu is not an axis. And also worth noting, SIU has said enryu and phantaminum don't know each other. Enryu would need a contract with an administrator to be actually immortal. Or perhaps with an axis... But without that he would only enjoy the prolonged lifespan people within the tower have.

I wonder what the significance of the red shinsoo really is.... I get the feeling that this detail is immensely important. Regular shinsoo is more or less like water. Bam recently learned how to create a new type of bang and instead it looks like light. This red shinsoo is likely as big a deal as that at least.

 

[Kshunsui]

Enryu killed the administrator because that was the place when Grace Raise Baam, because he doesn't want influence of zahard there because was an afront toGrace, he sees the visit oficina Grace statue by followers ir zahard as an afront like they soiling the place Grace used todo love

 

[kkck]

Can anyone post an imgur link for the chapter? Can't do the torrent right now....

 

[Bigsprink]

Yeah everybody but zahard,10 warriors, and Arlen just have prolonged lifespans because of shinsoo. And I Def believe enryu is the messenger as he was the only one who left the thorn. It's all part of the prophecy. He killed affiliates of Zahard for 'soiling' the land and when he tried to ressurect viole the guardian tried to intervene and got killed. Then Enryu left the tower as he,phanta,Arlen, and maybe po gustang know how to get out.

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Garam said Zahard killed the baby under her(arlen) eyes. As we know Bams cave had the three eyed symbol with the sword and dots insignia. I think this is where Bam was killed and brought bsck to life. I think this may have been the symbol of Arlen family;Arie family has sword,that type of thing. After he killed her baby he adopted the three eyed crest part as his own because he loved her so much.

 

[Kshunsui]

Zahard had a contract with the admin of the floor of death, right now is no mens land, even the zahard princess can use the shinsoo freely right there to use shinsoo you need a contract with the admin, only baam could use shinso without contract, like he use in season one to save rachel

Wow, this is quite a bombshell chapter. So enryu turned out to be a forgotten partner of the 10 family heads....

I get that he was angry at what zahard was going to the land of her beloved but I find it weird that he would go as far as killing the administrator. How is that better than what zahard did to the place? I am guessing this is something that will make a lot of sense once we get the details though.

I wonder if enryu is dead now. He didn't make an immortality contract with the administrators... He could have simply died of old age after such a long time. And interestingly, this also means grace is likely still alive, somewhere...

So bam is from the floor of death. Wouldn't that mean the cave he was in was the floor of death as well? And rachel would be from the floor of death as well. My guess here is that bam is indeed the dead baby in question that somehow revived. Holy shit, we might be about to see the cave where bam spent so many years in....

Seriously, now I have so many questions regarding that damned grave. If bam is the resurrected baby.... does that mean the cave he was at is his grave from which he crawled out of after reviving? Or did perhaps rachel put him there (that was my original theory)? If rachel did place him there, was that after or before he revived?

In a way now it kinda makes sense that rachel would want to leave... She was from a literally god forsaken place ruled by death and the only way to escape it normally was to give up her soul to that guardian thing. Then she spent time with grace hearing about freedom and stars.... And she wouldn't be chosen to climb the tower... So then she finds bam, figures out a way to use him to open the door and finally gets out of the floor. And bam follows.

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I wonder if we are nearing the end of rachel's saga as a whole. Bam has been climbing after her for the most part but the story has also kinda moved on with the whole thing with him eventually confronting zahard. However at the same time bam has never had much reason to actually fight zahard. So perhaps in this floor of death bam finally finishes dealing with rachel, who at least absolutely kept him trapped in a cave and finally gets a reason to go after zahard.

 

[Demonspeed]

Yeah everybody but zahard,10 warriors, and Arlen just have prolonged lifespans because of shinsoo. And I Def believe enryu is the messenger as he was the only one who left the thorn. It's all part of the prophecy. He killed affiliates of Zahard for 'soiling' the land and when he tried to ressurect viole the guardian tried to intervene and got killed. Then Enryu left the tower as he,phanta,Arlen, and maybe po gustang know how to get out.

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Garam said Zahard killed the baby under her(arlen) eyes. As we know Bams cave had the three eyed symbol with the sword and dots insignia. I think this is where Bam was killed and brought bsck to life. I think this may have been the symbol of Arlen family;Arie family has sword,that type of thing. After he killed her baby he adopted the three eyed crest part as his own because he loved her so much.

It's Zahard's emblem. Maybe FUG's emblem is Arlen's or Viole's.

Zahard had a contract with the admin of the floor of death, right now is no mens land, even the zahard princess can use the shinsoo freely right there to use shinsoo you need a contract with the admin, only baam could use shinso without contract, like he use in season one to save rachel

All Irregulars can use Shinsoo freely, Zahard's Princesses can't. Zahard himself is an Irregular so there is no restriction for him.

 

[Kshunsui]

So why zahard sign contracts with the administrators?

 

[kkck]

So why zahard sign contracts with the administrators?

Well, as far as we have seen it is how he controls his empire. Zahard stands as a supremely powerful irregular along with contracts which grant him special privileges and immortality. The situation as it is right now is that a regular could become ten times stronger than zahard, defeat every single princess and member of the 10 families (except the heads) and then proceed to beat the crap out of zahard for years and even then zahard wouldn't die. Contracts with administrators bind and restrict zahard to the tower (at least so much has been implied) but it also makes him the king.

 

[Demonspeed]

So why zahard sign contracts with the administrators?

Contracts are not only for Shinsoo. He is immortal thanks to an immortality contract for example.

 

[Bigsprink]

Here it is. I'm thinking this is what is meant when Zahard kills the kid under her eyes.arlens hand was a monument. I'm thinking theres another monument somewhere named arlens eyes where this picture is and bam was killed by Zahard the first time.

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Contracts are not only for Shinsoo. He is immortal thanks to an immortality contract for example.

Yes and also Zahard has a contract that no regular,probably including the other ten heads as well cant kill him. Hence why everyone is so in awe of irregulars. I wonder if the reason Luslec and V didn't make a contract is because they didn't a agree with not being able to kill him.

 

[Kshunsui]

to use shinso you have to have a contract, or be one of the ten families, because tthe heads signed contracts, when Baam learned the black
Hole, in the pot, the trainer said that he have the right, like anyone to open the door, so to me enryu killed the admin so only irregular could use shinso freely, and left the torn for another irregular

 

[Demonspeed]

You need contract to use Shinsoo if you are not an Irregular, and on this page Leroro is asking if Hansung met one who is not from the 10 Families(like Phantaminum, Enryu and Urek, who are the troublesome Irregulars). Zahard's companions are Irregulars who climbed with him and went to the Rice Pot just like him. They have contracts, but not necessarily contracts to use Shinsoo, they don't need contracts for that. Baam got a contract to use Shinsoo once but he didn't need it, he was simply unaware that it was not needed for him. Koon Aguero and all descendants of Eduan need contracts to use Shinsoo even though they are from the 10 Families, but Eduan himself doesn't. There are contracts for all kind of things, like immortality or the one who made Hana unable to fall in love. It's not just about Shinsoo usage.

 

[Bigsprink]

I think she may have used macseths help in preserving bams body. We see a figure in a grey shroud over the dead body and then a few panels layer we see V has killed himself and it's not the shroud guy. People were saying they think po gustang was talking to Macseth on the recorder on the end of the workshop and at the beginning of the workshop we see them telling him it's time to start. I think ita macs ethnic anyways. Could also have been the start of him creating artificial life.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TowerofGod/comments/5sqzxz/in_response_to_popular_baam_theory/

 

[4n0m4ly]

Killing a baby is low by any means, ordering the others to kill or not. But I think he'd be able to do that without any remorse, just look what he is doing to the princess: he got rejected by the woman he loved and simply decided to make other women (many princesses) fight for him? Come on, the guy is insane and creepy (the whole obssession thing! I hope Enryuu gave him a good lesson), sadly it seems Baam is obsessed with Rachel too, I just hope he won't become like Zahard this after listening to this bad example of his parent's nemesis.



Yay! So they're probably from the same family, if he's not a son, he's at least a relative of Zahard (it would explain why Wangnam never dies, he has the blood of an immortal being).

Even the princesses have zahards blood. So i dont think it works that way