Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Crimson Ice]

I don't actually think FDK and Dragon Force have to be mutually exclusive. FDK involves using the same type of fire as Igneel, whilst dragon force is gaining the physical properties of a dragon. I see no reason why Natsu can't use FDK spells under dragon force. After all, we've seen Sting enter dragon force under WSD.



The difference is that Natsu can use DF without an external power-up. He's already done it once in Tartarus. You could argue that he hasn't shown it again so maybe he hasn't figure out how to trigger it effectively, but that doesn't mean we're never going to see it again. It just means we're probably only going to see it when Natsu does get pushed to that point against Zeref or Acnologia in the future.

So he can't use it anytime unlike Wendy, he only use it in a fit of rage.So stop saying just because Wendy can so he can because that's not the case.

 

[Arjuna]

No I am right regardless. Natsu didn't need any external sources but he activated DF in a fit of rage unlike Wendy who just activated it under regular circumstances. No if Natsu could use DF he would have, before Natsu was stopped by Happy he tried to use everything to destroy Zeref, so no, he use it normally.

How Wendy managed to use DF :-

1)Grandine left Wendy's body.

2)She trained for a year.

Both these conditions fits Natsu.Igneel left Natsu's body and he trained for a year or so.Moreover,he was the first one to activate without outside stimulus.As i said earlier it will be used final villain of the arc i.e. Acnologia.

 

[Axiomus]

So he can't use it anytime unlike Wendy, he only use it in a fit of rage.So stop saying just because Wendy can so he can because that's not the case.

Well, I agree with you there. Natsu probably can't simply activate DF like Sting, Rogue, or Wendy. He needs to be in the right mentality. I was just pointing out how he doesnt' necessarily need an external power up to trigger it.

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How Wendy managed to use DF :-

1)Grandine left Wendy's body.

2)She trained for a year.

Both these conditions fits Natsu.Igneel left Natsu's body and he trained for a year or so.Moreover,he was the first one to activate without outside stimulus.As i said earlier it will be used final villain of the arc i.e. Acnologia.

I agree that Natsu will probably use DF against Acnologia. It will probably be his final form. However, that doesn't mean Natsu currently has the ability to freely enter DF in the same way Wendy can. I think Natsu needs to be pushed to his absolute limits for it to kick in.

 

[Arjuna]

Well, I agree with you there. Natsu probably can't simply activate DF like Sting, Rogue, or Wendy. He needs to be in the right mentality. I was just pointing out how he doesnt' necessarily need an external power up to trigger it.

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I agree that Natsu will probably use DF against Acnologia. It will probably be his final form. However, that doesn't mean Natsu currently has the ability to freely enter DF in the same way Wendy can. I think Natsu needs to be pushed to his absolute limits for it to kick in.

Well i think in the final battle against Acnologia it will be clear.If he uses it freely without emotion then it will be proved then otherwise it's emotion based.

 

[LaGOAT]

Did you see Franlmatlh and Jackal's power there?Jackal had 600 and Franlmalth 800.So naturally seeing Natsu's performance against them we can assume his powerlevel was at Tartaros Arc max to max 1000.So even for DF it is not possible to close a gap this huge.

DF has been stated the strongest form a Dragon Slayer can achieve.It has been stated the power rivals that of a real Dragons and posseses the power to destroy anything


Here's the link of DF

http://fairytail.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Force

And what you said "Igneel's power infused with FDKM" that is the point.It was "Igneel's power" that made the difference.It doesn't make the form stronger itself though.

I didn't say tbe movie is canon.I said DF being mentioned the strongest form of a DS is Canon.

Wait when did Natsu learn any other Fire Magic other than Fire Dragon Slaying Magic?He only used Black Flame Curses.And seeing those flames aren't black it is DS Magic.Moreover the final fight with Acnologia is approaching so it will not make any sense for Mashima to make Natsu lose his DS Magic.

And why Natsu didn't use DF till now is because he didn't feel it necessary.DF has always been used against the final villain of an arc so most probably it will be used against Acnologia.

U don't know that ur assuming his power level without concrete evidence. and proves my point even more that DF wasn't able to beat mard geer. Statements doesn't always translate to facts DF Has been an inconsistent power up. While his other power up (LFD HF AND FDKM) has shown to Complete dominance over his opponents fdkm natsu>tartaros natsu that is a fact. However if natsu doe use DF to defeat either zeref or ancologia than that's a different case.

 

[Star Frost]

How Wendy managed to use DF :-

1)Grandine left Wendy's body.

2)She trained for a year.

Both these conditions fits Natsu.Igneel left Natsu's body and he trained for a year or so.Moreover,he was the first one to activate without outside stimulus.As i said earlier it will be used final villain of the arc i.e. Acnologia.

That's kind of an assumption you're making. Like just because Natsu trained and ofc Igneel left doesn't mean he been focusing on obtaining DF like Wendy did. We're gonna have to see if he can use it at will that doesn't involve being under the influence of the power of his emotions which was the only reason why he was able to use it back in Tartarus since it was said he becomes strong the more rage he has

 

[Crimson Ice]

How Wendy managed to use DF :-

1)Grandine left Wendy's body.

2)She trained for a year.

Both these conditions fits Natsu.Igneel left Natsu's body and he trained for a year or so.Moreover,he was the first one to activate without outside stimulus.As i said earlier it will be used final villain of the arc i.e. Acnologia.

The exact same conditions also apply to Gajeel. Natsu TRAINED to release and use Igneel's power not enter DF. As I also said, if Natsu could use it anytime he WOULD HAVE used it.

 

[Arjuna]

U don't know that ur assuming his power level without concrete evidence. and proves my point even more that DF wasn't able to beat mard geer. Statements doesn't always translate to facts DF Has been an inconsistent power up. While his other power up (LFD HF AND FDKM) has shown to Complete dominance over his opponents fdkm natsu>tartaros natsu that is a fact. However if natsu doe use DF to defeat either zeref or ancologia than that's a different case.

I am assuming his powerlevel seeing his powerlevel against opponents who have nearly similar powerlevel like Jackal and Franlmath.

And you are misquoting me here.In each of my posts i have said because the difference between Base Natsu and Mard Geer at that point of time was so great that it was impossible for DF to cover the gap.


And DF being the strongest form of a DS is canon.So i well not dwell on it.

And i believe we will see Natsu activating his DF without outside powerup against the final fight against Acnologia.

That's kind of an assumption you're making. Like just because Natsu trained and ofc Igneel left doesn't mean he been focusing on obtaining DF like Wendy did. We're gonna have to see if he can use it at will that doesn't involve being under the influence of the power of his emotions which was the only reason why he was able to use it back in Tartarus since it was said he becomes strong the more rage he has

But the mistake is Wendy trained for a year but her focus wasn't DF.It's just an added bonus of her training.

The exact same conditions also apply to Gajeel. Natsu TRAINED to release and use Igneel's power not enter DF. As I also said, if Natsu could use it anytime he WOULD HAVE used it.

Yes Metalicana left Gajeel no doubt but there is no proof that he trained hard due to his council duties.Moreover,Gajeel had never eaten high power from outside like Natsu and Wendy did like Etherion and Jellal's Flame and Wendy eating Etherion.This a first step.


As i earlier said no body trained to release DF as particular.It's just an added bonus from training hard.


DF is always used against the Final Villain like Jellal in TOH,Zero in Nirvana Arc and Mard Geer in Tartaros Arc.So there is no reason why Hiro will break this pattern and make Natsu exhibit his DF just before his fight against Acnologia.

 

[LaGOAT]

So far zeref hasn't been disappointing base natsu going toe to toe with zeref by that logic if natsu used fdkm he would probably be overwhelming zeref. Anyways I'll just wait and see what other feats zeref can do

 

[Seven777]

Still waiting for Zeref to use some magic, right now Hades has used more of Zeref's magic on Natsu than Zeref has.

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Zeref right now isnt even as serious as he was when he fought Hades

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Anyway, Zerefs performance so far has been on average spriggan level at best, he's doing worse than Jacob tbh. His CQC is obviously pretty mediocre since it wasnt even enough to beat Ultear without access to his full magic. Is the reason he's not using actual spells on Natsu because his emotions are limiting him like against Ultear? Or does he just suck now?

 

[Crimson Ice]

Yes Metalicana left Gajeel no doubt but there is no proof that he trained hard due to his council duties.Moreover,Gajeel had never eaten high power from outside like Natsu and Wendy did like Etherion and Jellal's Flame and Wendy eating Etherion.This a first step.


As i earlier said no body trained to release DF as particular.It's just an added bonus from training hard.


DF is always used against the Final Villain like Jellal in TOH,Zero in Nirvana Arc and Mard Geer in Tartaros Arc.So there is no reason why Hiro will break this pattern and make Natsu exhibit his DF just before his fight against Acnologia.

No proof Gajeel's trained hard? Base Gajeel is probably as stronger than base Gray pre darkness, he grew stronger than someone who was training a lot. Moreover, YOU'RE acting like h has to eat an external power source, which is not a criterion. Your criteria are literally MADE UP BY YOU in order to suit your baseless assumption of Natsu being able to enter Dragon Force by himself.


No, you don't just train hard and randomly become able to muster up the ability to use Dragon Force, it's not something you unlock by accident, cut the nonsense.

And do you know why DF is able to use against the Final Villain somehow? Because only then a set of circumstances occur which allow Natsu to enter Dragon Force if Hiro were to give him the ability to enter Dragon Force by himself it would remove that situation for Natsu. It makes no LOGICAL sense for Natsu not to use Dragon Force during that fight with Zeref, it just doesn't, if you can't prove he can without using some made up criteria and a bunch of assumptions WE ARE DONE HERE. I'm not wasting my arguing with someone when his argument has no solid base.

 

[Arjuna]

@Crimson Ice i won't say it's baseless.The 2 Dragon Slayers who went DF without outside powerup were Natsu and Wendy who once atleast ate Etherion or high power flame.Is this coincidence?The exception was Gajeel in this case.

Natsu is being unable to enter DF on his own?Well please can you show me the panel where Natsu ate Etherion or high powered flame to enter DF against Mard Geer?Perhaps i missed it.


And if you look at the panel of Wendy saying about DF,you will see Wendy never said she trained to gain DF.

 

[LaGOAT]

@Crimson Ice i won't say it's baseless.The 2 Dragon Slayers who went DF without outside powerup were Natsu and Wendy who once atleast ate Etherion or high power flame.Is this coincidence?The exception was Gajeel in this case.

Natsu is being unable to enter DF on his own?Well please can you show me the panel where Natsu ate Etherion or high powered flame to enter DF against Mard Geer?Perhaps i missed it.


And if you look at the panel of Wendy saying about DF,you will see Wendy never said she trained to gain DF.

What ur not understanding is that natsu need a something to trigger his DF whether it's an outside source or emotions he can't use DF at his will whenever he wants like Wendy. Like I said ur assuming that DF is the strongest form for natsu when we have seen that other forms which are stronger than DF. DF has been overrated just like END. I know what ur gonna say "well he gonna use it against zeref or acnologia it only make sense for hiro to make use DF". Since when has hiro made sense in this whole entire series? He can't construct a simple power level scheme. I can see him use a nakama nonsense like the one magic is love BS or make him absorb all of the 7 DS magic who knows? it's hiro we are talking about

 

[Arjuna]

What ur not understanding is that natsu need a something to trigger his DF whether it's an outside source or emotions he can't use DF at his will whenever he wants like Wendy. Like I said ur assuming that DF is the strongest form for natsu when he have seen that other forms which are stronger than DF. DF has been overrated just like END. I know what ur gonna say "well he gonna use it against zeref or acnologia it only make sense for hiro to make use DF". Since when has hiro made sense in this whole entire series? He can't construct a simple power level scheme. I can see him use a nakama nonsense like the one magic is love BS for natsu to oneshot Acnologia or make him absorb all of the 7 DS magic who knows? it's hiro we are talking about

Well it has been mentioned since the start of the series that DF is the strongest form a Dragon Slayer can achieve where your power rivals that of a real Dragons.Now when it has been mentioned that it is the strongest form how can we say that other forms are stronger than it when it was not mentioned in the Manga.

 

[LaGOAT]

Well it has been mentioned since the start of the series that DF is the strongest form a Dragon Slayer can achieve where your power rivals that of a real Dragons.Now when it has been mentioned that it is the strongest fo how can we say that other forms are stronger than it?

And I said that statements doesn't equal to facts. I can claim Something but if I cant show proof then my statements is debunked. 7 years Pre time skip LFD NATSU>TOH and Nirvana DF natsu. Fdkm>Tartarus DF so basically fdkm>Current Base natsu>=Tartarus DF>HF natsu>Tenrou LFD>Lfd second origin>nirava DF>=TOH DF

 

[Raven]

ur assuming that DF is the strongest form for natsu

You can't change a manga statement because of feats shortage regarding the matter. What is said can not be changed. DF is ultimately the strongest form a dragon slayer can get. You can't compare BDKM to a tartarous DF because Natsu clearly on a different level now. It like comparing fiat 128 and bmw m3

 

[Katen]

FT Rankings
Out of these characters, I'll rank them highest to lowest in power.

Gildartz
Laxus/DF Natsu
Gray/Natsu
Erza
Gajeel/Shadow empowered WSD Sting (Rogue's MP)
Jellal (until he can prove himself again)
Mirajane/Sting
Kagura

 

[LaGOAT]

You can't change a manga statement because of feats shortage regarding the matter. What is said can not be changed. DF is ultimately the strongest form a dragon slayer can get. You can't compare BDKM to a tartarous DF because Natsu clearly on a different level now. It like comparing fiat 128 and bmw m3

uh yes u can example makarov said jura=gildartz but laxus beat jura so i guess laxus>gildartz because he beat jura??? even current base natsu will at least be above Tartarous DF natsu i used BDKM as an example of the contradictory in the manga. so r u telling me that tenrou LFD natsu is weaker than TOH DF natsu because it was stated that DF is the strongest form? now dont get me wrong if natsu can use DF by himself to beat either acnologia or zeref this whole entire argument would be debunked but until then that statement is holding this L

 

[Brandish μ]

Dragon Force is stronger... well it makes the most sense since Natsu's physiology is changing. The only thing that can top Dragon Force is Dragonising completely.

The modes like FDKM/LFD ect have only shown to change the quality of flames Natsu uses.

 

[Crimson Ice]

@Crimson Ice i won't say it's baseless.The 2 Dragon Slayers who went DF without outside powerup were Natsu and Wendy who once atleast ate Etherion or high power flame.Is this coincidence?The exception was Gajeel in this case.

Natsu is being unable to enter DF on his own?Well please can you show me the panel where Natsu ate Etherion or high powered flame to enter DF against Mard Geer?Perhaps i missed it.


And if you look at the panel of Wendy saying about DF,you will see Wendy never said she trained to gain DF.

It is baseless. You're assuming the criteria Wendy has for her to achieve DF through training, the most likely explanation is Hiro needed to make Wendy stronger and just have her that, but just like you that is a guess.

I already addressed this earlier. Natsu enter DF because he was in a fit of rage, so again it's still something he can activate anytime he wants to.