Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2017] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[Leoat12]

each chapter is translated here in America every week

There were series before it that had the same treatment and cannot say it had a huge popularity in America, so it is guaranteed that The Promised Neverland is going as well as you imply. We really need some objective thing like volume sales and how VIZ will behave. If they start to release TPN monthly, it is a good signal, etc.

The Promised Neverland will require careful preparation from Shueisha and the anime production, I think there is no space for fillers or invented things, it will have to remain faithful, otherwise things can become illogical. The Promised Neverland, at least its first part, relies on logic, chess game, war between minds, the elements that constitutes these pillars cannot be changed, they will have to be faithful, for the despair of filler lovers.

 

[savethecat]

The first volume won't be released until December. How can you say its "big" in the west when ut hasn't been released here?

Huh? I don't understand what you're asking.
What does the volume releasing in Dec. have to do with how popular it is? Manga sales aren't huge here, and we aren't even given figures, or even a top 10 list anymore.

On every major anime/manga forum or site here in the west Neverland generates a lot of traffic. The series generates a lot of traffic for mangastream, and it's Reddit threads get a ton of traffic.
Viz picked up the series immediately do to the popularity of the series.

The series gets about as much talk as a manga without an anime can get in the west.

 

[Tamil]

This is tangential to this thread but it is Dragon Ball so its still relevant.

The 1 Hr Special this past weekend got a TV rating of 3.5.

ドラゴンボール超秋の１時間ＳＰ
フジテレビ 17/10/08(日) 9:00-60 3.5
It was 0.2% lower than Curious George.

The One Piece Special got a 4.7. While this is due to Kamen Rider/Sentai moving in at the same time, it should be noted that TV ratings are on a downward trend. Sazae-san also only got a 9.7 this past week.

Kamen Rider is one of Toei's properties too so it's pretty funny.

TV ratings being on a downward trend is no surprise if you look at the TV ratings of the 80/90s WSJ titles.

Other Shonen Jump Anime Rating
Tottemo!! Luckyman (best) 14.0% (average) 10.0%
Yu-Gi-Oh (best) 8.7% (average) 5.7%
Saint Seiya (best)13.2% (average) 9.4%
Hunter × Hunter (best) 12.9%
The Prince of Tennis (best) 12.5% (average) 6.9%
Hikaru no Go (best) 12.1%
BLEACH (average) 5.3%
NARUTO (average) 8.0%
Jungle King Tar-chan (best) 13.4% (average) 10.9%
Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo (average) 7.0%
Eyeshield 21 (average) 8.1%

 

[SkerllyFC]

Except that under realistic expectations, Neverland is not that popular. It's an accesible title, but not a big one.

 

[savethecat]

There were series before it that had the same treatment and cannot say it had a huge popularity in America, so it is guaranteed that The Promised Neverland is going as well as you imply. We really need some objective thing like volume sales and how VIZ will behave. If they start to release TPN monthly, it is a good signal, etc.

The Promised Neverland will require careful preparation from Shueisha and the anime production, I think there is no space for fillers or invented things, it will have to remain faithful, otherwise things can become illogical. The Promised Neverland, at least its first part, relies on logic, chess game, war between minds, the elements that constitutes these pillars cannot be changed, they will have to be faithful, for the despair of filler lovers.

Well obviously the anime would need to be good for it to become huge. Assuming it's anime is good it'll probably huge here.

And I don't get why you guys are bringing up we need numbers to say how popular it is here. We don't get sales figures for manga here. And even when we do the numbers aren't very big.

I'm judging its popularity based on how we judge the popularity of every other series in the west.
Word of mouth, amount of discussion it gains on forums. Most major youtubers mentioning it at least once or occasionally. The tons of fan art on tumblr and Twitter. Ect.
I don't understand anyone could say it doesn't have a pretty big following in the west.

About as big a following as say MHA had before its anime.

 

[ChocoBar9]

Huh? I don't understand what you're asking.
What does the volume releasing in Dec. have to do with how popular it is? Manga sales aren't huge here, and we aren't even given figures, or even a top 10 list anymore.

On every major anime/manga forum or site here in the west Neverland generates a lot of traffic. The series generates a lot of traffic for mangastream, and it's Reddit threads get a ton of traffic.
Viz picked up the series immediately do to the popularity of the series.

The series gets about as much talk as a manga without an anime can get in the west.

You cannot gauge a series popularity by something as vague as traffic and if your series isn't One Piece or MHA you're probably not getting a whole lot of attention outside manga enthusiasts. Neverland may be popular in some circles now but I wouldn't call it big in the west especially for a title that isn't even available for retail yet.

 

[savethecat]

You cannot gauge a series popularity by something as vague as traffic and if your series isn't One Piece or MHA you're probably not getting a whole lot of attention outside manga enthusiasts. Neverland may be popular in some circles now but I wouldn't call it big in the west especially for a title that isn't even available for retail yet.

That's exactly how you gauge a series popularity, especially when retail numbers are practically none existent to manga readers anyway.

 

[iceemperor]

Kamen Rider is one of Toei's properties too so it's pretty funny.

TV ratings being on a downward trend is no surprise if you look at the TV ratings of the 80/90s WSJ titles.

It becomes funnier when you realize Bandai is a major sponsor for both Kamen Rider/Sentai and OP/DB and these shows are basically eating at each other's ratings and thus you end up with lower than usual ratings. Bandai however has little say as TV Asahi moved the Kamen Rider/Sentai block later in the morning and ended up with this mutual destruction situation. Rider/Sentai also apparently didn't do so hot these last two weeks.

 

[Leoat12]

You cannot gauge a series popularity by something as vague as traffic and if your series isn't One Piece or MHA you're probably not getting a whole lot of attention outside manga enthusiasts. Neverland may be popular in some circles now but I wouldn't call it big in the west especially for a title that isn't even available for retail yet.

Yeah, people fall into the mistake to think that their bubble represents the whole market, but it is obviously not true. If you like a given series and goes to where people discuss it, of course you are going to find people discussing it there. You find what you are looking for. But it doesn't mean that the series is really big.
Besides the big ones, I really don't see much buzz...

 

[ChocoBar9]

That's exactly how you gauge a series popularity, especially when retail numbers are practically none existent to manga readers anyway.

By that logic Gintama wouldn't have flopped in the US.

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Yeah, people fall into the mistake to think that their bubble represents the whole market, but it is obviously not true. If you like a given series and goes to where people discuss it, of course you are going to find people discussing it there. You find what you are looking for. But it doesn't mean that the series is really big.
Besides the big ones, I really don't see much buzz...

Also two of the highest selling manga properties in the US are Tokyo Ghoul and Attack On Titan both of which had next to no traffic in the US before their anime adaptations brought them into the limelight. Neverland gets a decent amount of discussion on general manga topics but I'm not seeing it trending topics like say My Hero Academia did before Viz licensed it. I can definitely see Neverland getting attention once its anime gets announced but I it would be exaggeration to see its big in the US now.

 

[Leoat12]

Man, there are so many series that would flop hard if the publishers decided to believe on "public" buzz. A dozen of people asks for Jojo(!), but only a small part of them would buy the series even if they like it, so it would flop because the majority of the readers don't give a damn. XD

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Also two of the highest selling manga properties in the US are Tokyo Ghoul and Attack On Titan both of which had next to no traffic in the US before their anime adaptations brought them into the limelight. Neverland gets a decent amount of discussion on general manga topics but I'm not seeing it trending topics like say My Hero Academia did before Viz licensed it. I can definitely see Neverland getting attention once its anime gets announced but I it would be exaggeration to see its big in the US now.

My Hero Academia is so huge around here in Brazil that people that I never imagined watching a Jump series anime are watching it. I think it is similar in the US.

 

[Tanzo]

There are actually sales statistics for manga print sales in the US, you can find them here:
https://animetics.net/us-manga-print-sales-statistics/
Numbers aren't high but it's something.
Top Shonen Jump Imprint Manga by Best-Selling Vol in 2016: - Most of the list weren't released in 2016
1. 48,769 - One Punch Man #1
2. 29,768 - Naruto: The Seventh Hokage and the Scarlet Spring
3. 25,727 - Death Note: Black Edition #1
4. 20,062 - Assassination Classroom #1
5. 15,438 - My Hero Academia #1
6. 14,232 - Haikyuu!! #1
7. 13,877 - Blue Exorcist #1
8. 11,514 - Seraph of the End #1
9. 11,270 - Yu-Gi-Oh! Zexal #8
10. 9,926 - One Piece Omnibus #1

 

[ChocoBar9]

Man, there are so many series that would flop hard if the publishers decided to believe on "public" buzz. A dozen of people asks for Jojo(!), but only a small part of them would buy the series even if they like it, so it would flop because the majority of the readers don't give a damn. XD

Yep Jojo did not do well before the anime TV series came out and the only reason why Viz completed Part 3 is all because the editor/translator really loved the series and now they've re-licensed the entire manga and releasing the special editions something I don't think anyone thought would have happened if it wasn't for the anime reviving people's interest in it. Now I'm waiting to see if the upcoming Houshin Engi remake will convince them to reprint the manga and license the special editions if that does well.

 

[TyVip]

Man, there are so many series that would flop hard if the publishers decided to believe on "public" buzz. A dozen of people asks for Jojo(!), but only a small part of them would buy the series even if they like it, so it would flop because the majority of the readers don't give a damn. XD

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My Hero Academia is so huge around here in Brazil that people that I never imagined watching a Jump series anime are watching it. I think it is similar in the US.

But Tokyo Ghoul and Premium Jojo (JoJonium) were licensed AFTER the anime boom. They must have know about the "public buzz" to an extent. They announced part 4 license during the anime was airing if i recalled correctly.

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YNow I'm waiting to see if the upcoming Houshin Engi remake will convince them to reprint the manga and license the special editions if that does well.

It's not out of print yet though. Anime original was a mistake.

 

[Tanzo]

 

[savethecat]

By that logic Gintama wouldn't have flopped in the US.

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Also two of the highest selling manga properties in the US are Tokyo Ghoul and Attack On Titan both of which had next to no traffic in the US before their anime adaptations brought them into the limelight. Neverland gets a decent amount of discussion on general manga topics but I'm not seeing it trending topics like say My Hero Academia did before Viz licensed it. I can definitely see Neverland getting attention once its anime gets announced but I it would be exaggeration to see its big in the US now.

Gintama is a terrible example.
Viz attempted releasing Gintama in a time before sites like Crunchyroll and streaming were huge.
The series didn't have consistent translations online. And at the time the "Big 3" and whatever aired on toonami were the only series anyone really cared about.
Also, Gintama's manga doesn't get a lot of attention here in present day now.

I don't understand what your possible criteria for a popular manga without an anime would be. You must have some unrealistic standards like "the manga needs television commercial for it to be deemed popular here".

 

[Leoat12]

But Tokyo Ghoul and Premium Jojo (JoJonium) were licensed AFTER the anime boom. They must have know about the "public buzz" to an extent. They announced part 4 license during the anime was airing if i recalled correctly.

Shueisha is more strict with other publishers than with VIZ. Here Shueisha wants that the publisher license Jojo as a whole, not in parts. It is risky, as you probably realize. But it is only an example that "public buzz" is not really reliable.

 

[Tamil]

I was thinking about Neverland's (potential) anime and I realized that if it did get one, it could potentially be a big hit here in the west. It doesn't have any of those "cringey" elements that anime typically has. It could be a really good entry level anime and I can see it being called the "new Death Note" with all the mind games and plot twists that happen in the first arc.

It depends on the staff that get it. This goes for TPN/KnY/YnY, all three need a good staff behind and no Toei for my liking.

 

[savethecat]

Man, there are so many series that would flop hard if the publishers decided to believe on "public" buzz. A dozen of people asks for Jojo(!), but only a small part of them would buy the series even if they like it, so it would flop because the majority of the readers don't give a damn. XD

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My Hero Academia is so huge around here in Brazil that people that I never imagined watching a Jump series anime are watching it. I think it is similar in the US.

You do realize that you entire post proves my point that Manga sales aren't a good judge of what's popular here because very few Americans buy manga?

Most ppl here read illegally(which is why traffic on the sites is more of a deciding factor to how popular a series is than sales figures).
Or, more commonly, they don't pay the manga any mind at all and just watch the anime

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Apparently Black Clover will be at least 51 episodes. So i guess it's a long runner

 

[ChocoBar9]

Gintama is a terrible example.
Viz attempted releasing Gintama in a time before sites like Crunchyroll and streaming were huge.
The series didn't have consistent translations online. And at the time the "Big 3" and whatever aired on toonami were the only series anyone really cared about.
Also, Gintama's manga doesn't get a lot of attention here in present day now.

I don't understand what your possible criteria for a popular manga without an anime would be. You must have some unrealistic standards like "the manga needs television commercial for it to be deemed popular here".

Gintama had a huge following online even before streaming hit it big and it was among Crunchyroll's most viewed/downloaded shows before they went legit. Viz licensed the series after the anime premiered and promptly cancelled it after 23 volumes in spite of the series still having a huge fanbase and critically acclaim online they don't have any plans to re license it like they did with Jojo. And once again Tokyo Ghoul had next to no translations of the manga online before the anime.


Uh...actual sales? I mean that's just common sense. Death Note wasn't just a hit because a bunch of people talked about it online on a forum the manga actually sold well in the US and this was all before the anime and yes this goes to same for Naruto and Bleach despite their huge popularity online were top sellers in the US before Viz licensed their anime. How about we wait and see how Neverland actually does when its released before saying its big in the west?