Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2017] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[ChocoBar9]

No idea, but I remember being surprised when I saw that AssClass had received 10k and WT almost 80k.

I guess they're more dedicated. At least it beat Black Clover.

 

[UnspokenCoconut]

You yourself said that "it didn't start out strong" and here I am proving to you that you are indeed incorrect. How a series placed at 1st in ToC early on didn't start out strong?

 

[ChocoBar9]

You yourself said that "it didn't start out strong" and here I am proving to you that you are indeed incorrect.

But you didn't because you posted the 13th chapter not the first chapter that was ranked. That's like bringing up a series ranking 4th in one issues negates all its lower ranks through most of its run which is essentially your stance. Considering it did worse than Ichigo 100% in its first 30 chapters not sure why you're adament about this.

 

[tirakai]

I wonder if the reason Kimetsu was so delayed is that the votes kept coming in at a steady rate without slowing down much or something, and they were waiting for them to mostly stop before showing the results. I think it'd be fairly believable, the series has been growing a lot after all.

 

[ChocoBar9]

152628 *517446 Haikyuu
*50045 *146069 Worlds end harem
*48927 *177163 Gintama
*43569 *144506 Black clover
*29016 **82247 Saiki
*28624 *109936 Kimetsu
*22125 **81469 Robot x Laserbeam
*14688 *556767 Heroaca
*14446 **58987 Bokuben
*13011 **38837 Kuroko spin-off
*12583 2444235 One Piece

 

[iceemperor]

Black clover was overtaken by Harem despite the anime, even if it's by around 1500 copies. It's now to see if it can last on oricon.

 

[SharkBait]

How did heroaca past haikyuu briefly (though HQ is selling more).

 

[Caiops]

152628 *517446 Haikyuu
*50045 *146069 Worlds end harem
*48927 *177163 Gintama
*43569 *144506 Black clover
*29016 **82247 Saiki
*28624 *109936 Kimetsu
*22125 **81469 Robot x Laserbeam
*14688 *556767 Heroaca
*14446 **58987 Bokuben
*13011 **38837 Kuroko spin-off
*12583 2444235 One Piece

RxL doing better than the last volume in less days ;-;

How well is Black Clover #13 doing if you compare with the last volume in two weeks?

What a shitty boost, give up Jump.

 

[SharkBait]

people thought the newest volume would suddenly jump 1.500K copies after just two episodes aired., Okay.

 

[UnspokenCoconut]

But you didn't because you posted the 13th chapter not the first chapter that was ranked. That's like bringing up a series ranking 4th in one issues negates all its lower ranks through most of its run which is essentially your stance. Considering it did worse than Ichigo 100% in its first 30 chapters not sure why you're adament about this.

TOC #27, 1997

Spoiler

I"s (Chapter 8) (Lead CP)
Hoshin Engi (Cover)
Nube
Merry Wind (21p) < Chapter 6
Makuhari
Midori no Makibao
Hanasaka
JoJo
Wild Half
R.P.G. (CP, One-Shot)
Yugioh!
Wrestling with Momoko < Chapter 7
Majima-kun
Kochikame
Tsubasa
Luckyman
Butsu Zone
Majokko Vivian

Absent:
Bastard
Boy
Rurouni
Commando Gaiden

TOC #28, 1997

Spoiler

I"s (Chapter 9) (Lead CP)
Jigoku Sensei Nūbē
Sexy Commando Gaiden
Hoshin Engi
Midori no Makibao
Makuhari
Wild Half (Cover)
Yu-Gi-Oh!
Icon (CP, One-Shot)
Hanasaka Tenshi Tenten-kun
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure
Wrestling with Momoko (First Rank)
Butsu Zone
Kochikame
Merry Wind
Majima-kun Suttobasu!!
Majokko ViVian
Captain Tsubasa
Tottemo! Luckyman

Absent:
Bastard!
Boy
Rurouni

TOC #29, 1997

Spoiler

Rurouni Kenshin (Cover, Lead CP)
Hoshin Engi
Sexy Commando Gaiden
Boy
Wild Half
I"s (First Rank)
Kochikame
Midori no Makibao
Jigoku Sensei Nube
Hanasaka Tenshi Tenten-kun
Gang Age (CP, One-Shot)
Wrestling with Momoko
Captain Tsubasa (CP)
Yu-Gi-Oh!
Majima-kun Suttobasu!!
Tottemo! Luckyman
Majokko ViVian
Merry Wind (First Rank)
Butsu Zone

Absent:
Bastard
JoJo
Makuhari

TOC #30, 1997

Spoiler

Hoshin Engi (Lead CP) , Chapter 48
Rurouni Kenshin
I"s (Chapter 11)
Midori no Makibao (CP)
Boy
Hanasaka Tenshi Tenten-kun
Jigoku Sensei Nube
Kochikame
Wild Half
Kishibe Rohan wa Ugokanai Episode 16 (CP, Special One-Shot)
Wrestling with Momoko
Majima-kun Suttobasu!!
Majokko ViVian
Cosmos (One-Shot)
Yu-Gi-Oh!
Makuhari
Captain Tsubasa
Butsu Zone
Merry Wind
Tottemo! Luckyman

Absent:
Bastard
JoJo
Commando Gaiden

TOC #31, 1997

Spoiler

Wild Half (Lead CP)
Boy
I"s << Chapter 12
Kochikame (CP)
Hoshin Engi
Jigoku Sensei Nube
Yu-Gi-Oh! (20p)
Sexy Commando Gaiden
Romancers (CP, One-Shot) Same author for Wild Half
Midori no Makibao
Hanasaka Tenshi Tenten-kun
Makuhari
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure
Majima-kun Suttobasu!!
Wrestling with Momoko
Captain Tsubasa
Majokko Vivian
Merry Wind
Butsu Zone

Absent:
Bastard
Rurouni

Weekly Shonen Jump #32, 1997

Spoiler

Joker (Cover, Lead CP, New Series)
I"s (Chapter 13)
Sexy Commando Gaiden
Meteor Strike (CP, One-Shot)
Hoshin Engi
Hanasaka Tenshi Tenten-kun
Hareluya II Boy
Wild Half
Kochikame (CP)
Hell Teacher Nube
Midori no Makibao
Wrestling with Momoko
JoJo
Majokko Vivian
Yu-Gi-Oh!
Makuhari
Majima-kun Suttobasu!!
Captain Tsubasa
Merry Wind (END)

Absent:
Bastard!
Rurouni Kenshin

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Issue #33-52, 1997

Spoiler

Issue #33, 1997 - I"s in 2nd behind Hoshin Engi I"s in first > Hoshin absent in Issue 26
Issue #34, 1997 - I"s in 3rd 2nd behind Rurouni (1st) and Hoshin Engi (2nd) < Rurouni absent in Issue 27
Issue #35, 1997 - I"s in 2nd behind Rurouni I"s in 1st < Rurouni absent in Issue 28
Issue #36, 1997 - I"s (Lead CP)
Issue #37-38, 1997 - I"s in 2nd behind Boy
Issue #39, 1997 - I"s in 2nd behind Rurouni I"s in 1st < Rurouni absent in Issue 31
Issue #40, 1997 - I"s in 2nd behind Rurouni I"s in 1st < Rurouni absent in Issue 32
Issue #41, 1997 - I"s in 2nd behind Rurouni
Issue #42, 1997 - I"s in 3rd behind Rurouni (1st) and Seikimatsu (2nd)
Issue #43, 1997 - I"s in 5th behind Seikimatsu (1st), Rurouni, One Piece and Boy
Issue #44, 1997 - I"s (CP)
Issue #45, 1997 - I"s in 3rd behind Rurouni (1st) and One Piece
Issue #46, 1997 - I"s in 2nd behind Rurouni
Issue #47, 1997 - I"s (Lead CP)
Issue #48, 1997 - I"s in 3rd behind One Piece (1st) and Seikimatsu
Issue #49, 1997 - I"s in 3rd behind One Piece and Rurouni
Issue #50, 1997 - I"s in 3rd behind Rurouni (1st) and Seikimatsu
Issue #51, 1997 - I"s (CP)
Issue #52, 1997 - I"s in 5th behind OP, Boy, Sekimats and Hoshin. (Chapter 32)

Considering it did worse than Ichigo 100% in its first 30 chapters not sure why you're adament about this.

That's where you are wrong. I"s did so much better than Ichigo 100% in the early ranking (Ichigo early ranking more to middle to lower middle dweller on ToC)

 

[ChocoBar9]

RxL doing better than the last volume in less days ;-;

How well is Black Clover #13 doing if you compare with the last volume in two weeks?

What a shitty boost, give up Jump.

#12 sold 128,256 in 9 days. 13# has been on sale for 14 days.

 

[Caiops]

people thought the newest volume would suddenly jump 1.500K copies after just two episodes aired., Okay.

After 2 episodes it is usually when the boost happens, it was like that with Tokyo Ghoul, Nanatsu, OPM, even Toriko.

 

[Mammo]

Yuuna and KnY started in the same round

Yuragi-sou no Yuuna-san #1 (18,967 / 70,324)
Kimetsu no Yaiba #1 (no data because it didn't make oricon top 50)

ff 1 year later

Yuragi-sou no Yuuna-san #7 (18,011 / 100,775)
Kimetsu no Yaiba #8 (28,624 / 109,936)

wew lad

How did heroaca past haikyuu briefly (though HQ is selling more).

2 months vs 2 weeks

 

[Mr.Fujimaster]

WNL looks like it's selling well.
Robot is apparently selling more slowly.
I already knew that Black Clover was not going to have a boost with 2 episodes transmitted, I think we'll get a boost when the Dungeon arc ends.

 

[shoyoboyo]

Wait, so Kimetsu surpassed Yuuna?

 

[iceemperor]

People always forget that. If they hated this arc it would have done badly from the beginning. If that unfinished chapter can rank in the top five but a 13 page chapter can drop to twelfth place I don't know what to say. Everything was fine until the 40th issue where everything went out of wack.

Drops always work that way though. Readers liked everything in the beginning or simply looked forward to what might happen based on these events. However, they have either grown tired with the slow progression of the plot, in comparison to previous arcs or simply don't like where the series is going. It might not make them as excited as they were in previous arcs and they see other series that are giving them what they want and thus vote for those series. They are free to do so as there is no obligation to continue voting for a series. A drop specifically happens because everything was good and now they don't feel it. It's what you do after facing something like this that is important. You can become like Soma which continued and now is all over the place in rankings and it's volume sales are also dropped around 130k from it peak at volume 17. It can barely stay in the top 50 for 4 weeks now. Or you can turn it around like beginning kimetsu which has been on an upward trajectory this whole year.

 

[SharkBait]

BLack Clover was reviewed on the English speaking worlds largest site for anime news, so there goes that theory that the anime is so unpopular that it was forgotten about http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/black-clover/.122680

So glad ANN likes it. "Episode two was easily the best of the three so far, using flashbacks to get more familiar with Asta and Yuno's relationship in a way that succeeds in making Asta's bullheadedness genuinely charming"

 

[ChocoBar9]

Drops always work that way though. Readers liked everything in the beginning or simply looked forward to what might happen based on these events. However, they have either grown tired with the slow progression of the plot, in comparison to previous arcs or simply don't like where the series is going. It might not make them as excited as they were in previous arcs and they see other series that are giving them what they want and thus vote for those series. They are free to do so as there is no obligation to continue voting for a series. A drop specifically happens because everything was good and now they don't feel it. It's what you do after facing something like this that is important. You can become like Soma which continued and now is all over the place in rankings and it's volume sales are also dropped around 130k from it peak at volume 17. It can barely stay in the top 50 for 4 weeks now. Or you can turn it around like beginning kimetsu which has been on an upward trajectory this whole year.

I just don't buy it man, chapter 143 ranked 3rd in issue #39 and chapter 144 ranked 12th that is a drop from 9 places in a flashback chapter for a popular character. That just seems really weird. Soma's drop was very gradual as was Bleach they didn't just up and one day drop 9 spots after it chapter it was a series of chapters that gave them their current positions and unlike Heroaca didn't really recover. I mean I don't think that chapter of Souma was bad enough that it deserves bottom three this week but it really is hard to gauge what exactly people like with these things. My biggest fear is that because of this Hori is just going to double down on the Todoroki and Bakugou focus leaving the cast in the dust since their chapters always do well.

BLack Clover was reviewed on the English speaking worlds largest site for anime news, so there goes that theory that the anime is so unpopular that it was forgotten about http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/black-clover/.122680

So glad ANN likes it. "Episode two was easily the best of the three so far, using flashbacks to get more familiar with Asta and Yuno's relationship in a way that succeeds in making Asta's bullheadedness genuinely charming"

A C+ and community score of 2.9
And Sam is a shounen fanatic who reviews One Piece, Dragonball Super and Heroaca and this is the lowest debut score he's given on the site.

 

[ElJin]

144506 for 11 days is good for Black Clover. Just waiting the real boost when Kuro no Bougyuu appears and the Dungeon arrives.

And seriously, who thinks Yuno looks like Sasuke isn't reading the same manga as I'm reading.

 

[SharkBait]

A C+ and community score of 2.9

In school, you pass the class witha C+, as well as graduate with a 2.9 GPA, so. it is a good score.