Games Mafia Game 58 - Umineko: How to play 13 - END GAME

[gnut]

Well if he were to pull such a move I sure as hell wouldn't buy it.

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 16, 2017, Original Post Date: Nov 16, 2017 ---

I believe the way in which he has this 'can't touch me' attitude potentially points to a bomb? Or a Mafia Bomb.

But he also said he is regular town....why not just say im bomb
Why you thinking like a gnut

 

[Lady pompom]

One of those rules basically stated that if they hold the Note, their Night Action becomes a Kill Action.

If they have other bad guests around them, the Note will just drain their power too.

if bad guests gather, the Holder forces their kill action through the Note... On all of them?

Well, first about DN mechanics, I think I'm getting a gist of it by now. From those tips, I suppose that when mafia hold a DN, they're forced to use it if they don't want penalties, but as the method of killing is by writing the name, thus, it impedes them from using special skills (janitor "cleaning" skills, poison, escorting), so it could be considered "draining power", the third quote seems to affirm something like this. I still think there are two familes and maybe third parties. If there are third parties, it would be also complicated for them to hold the note, because it could hinder their prime objective (i.e: Santa Claus would need to kill rather than giving his presents), on the other hand roles like the Serial Killer wouldn't be very affected by it because he would still have the power to kill but not twice cause the killing with Dn would count as his night action. The thing becomes even more complex if there are indeed masons (and one of them has the note) cause there could be a mafia among them.

Asia has been doing similar to her other games, not sure if that's good or not.

Yes, I play pretty much the same whether I'm mafia or not, it gives some mystery to the game, right? I'll explain why you find my playstyle similar that's regardless of being mafia or townie I'll tell the truth, cause on the first time I lied on this game, I died and I didn't die when I told the truth (surprisingly), simple as that. Plus, I'm not entirely clear of suspicions about you either, though your incisive posts might be just your passion in bringing criminals to the lights of this town, I can't just trust you fully when I see you're pulling the strings for a lynching here. I do agree that Van defending niichan is very odd, after all, Vand is my favorite target (because he's a smart player and @Demonspeed instruct me so on my first game). Also I don't quite understand why people are suspecting there's some sort of allegiance between me and niichan, we're just playing bro and sis accordingly to our avys, lol.

And @gnut it's not that you're on the top of my list of suspects, but I'm always cautious around old players, cause I know you're skilled in deceiving and don't want that best MVP from mafia coming from any of them again. But my suspects at the moment is Empty Soul. That's why my vote goes for her:

Votekill Empty Soul

On a side note, @niichan oniichama I believe your words about being a plain townie, but if you're not a real townie, sis will be very sad.

 

[gnut]

I wouldnt put my money on bomb...much less a mafia bomb.
Like gry said....prolly boss.
Him saying to pompom they need to work together was early day talk bruh...im almost covinced now.

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 16, 2017, Original Post Date: Nov 16, 2017 ---

Well, first about DN mechanics, I think I'm getting a gist of it by now. From those tips, I suppose that when mafia hold a DN, they're forced to use it if they don't want penalties, but as the method of killing is by writing the name, thus, it impedes them from using special skills (janitor "cleaning" skills, poison, escorting), so it could be considered "draining power", the third quote seems to affirm something like this. I still think there are two familes and maybe third parties. If there are third parties, it would be also complicated for them to hold the note, because it could hinder their prime objective (i.e: Santa Claus would need to kill rather than giving his presents), on the other hand roles like the Serial Killer wouldn't be very affected by it because he would still have the power to kill but not twice cause the killing with Dn would count as his night action. The thing becomes even more complex if there are indeed masons (and one of them has the note) cause there could be a mafia among them.


Yes, I play pretty much the same whether I'm mafia or not, it gives some mystery to the game, right? I'll explain why you find my playstyle similar that's regardless of being mafia or townie I'll tell the truth, cause on the first time I lied on this game, I died and I didn't die when I told the truth (surprisingly), simple as that. Plus, I'm not entirely clear of suspicions about you either, though your incisive posts might be just your passion in bringing criminals to the lights of this town, I can't just trust you fully when I see you're pulling the strings for a lynching here. I do agree that Van defending niichan is very odd, after all, Vand is my favorite target (because he's a smart player and @Demonspeed instruct me so on my first game). Also I don't quite understand why people are suspecting there's some sort of allegiance between me and niichan, we're just playing bro and sis accordingly to our avys, lol.

And @gnut it's not that you're on the top of my list of suspects, but I'm always cautious around old players, cause I know you're skilled in deceiving and don't want that best MVP from mafia coming from any of them again. But my suspects at the moment is Empty Soul. That's why my vote goes for her:

Votekill Empty Soul

On a side note, @niichan oniichama I believe your words about being a plain townie, but if you're not a real townie, sis will be very sad.

Your vote does not surprise me xD

 

[Vandred]

Yes but by doing that and then using that as an excuse later would just confirm that he's lying.

So? Whether he lies or not is worthless, the point is to confirm our Dets' sanity... I'm not going to repeat this concept any longer...

Would you tell if you had the note....?
No....ofc not.
Dont try to play me van....xD

Then why are you insisting on my idea being a way to save niichan. He said it himself that he doesn't have a Note right when it was brought up as an excuse he could have invented to prolong his sentence. But now you're saying he would lie anyway, even if getting lynched destroys the Note the player is holding... Okay.

 

[gnut]

What is this shit niichan is possessing these people with...
What ever it is....i need a bottle of it

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So? Whether he lies or not is worthless, the point is to confirm our Dets' sanity... I'm not going to repeat this concept any longer...



Then why are you insisting on my idea being a way to save niichan. He said it himself that he doesn't have a Note right when it was brought up as an excuse he could have invented to prolong his sentence. But now you're saying he would lie anyway, even if getting lynched destroys the Note the player is holding... Okay.

Your right van....mafia would never lie

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Codeman....what system yall using?

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 16, 2017 ---

One of you got the note and trying hard to get niichan to nite

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 16, 2017 ---

Thats ok...im done anyways....going to bed.
My man gry will be here to mop up in the morning....get lynched scumbags

 

[Spirit]

Votekill niichan

Here's hoping someone else votes for him too

 

[Vandred]

What is this shit niichan is possessing these people with...
What ever it is....i need a bottle of it

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 16, 2017, Original Post Date: Nov 16, 2017 ---

Your right van....mafia would never lie

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 16, 2017 ---

Codeman....what system yall using?

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 16, 2017 ---

One of you got the note and trying hard to get niichan to nite

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 16, 2017 ---

Thats ok...im done anyways....going to bed.
My man gry will be here to mop up in the morning....get lynched scumbags

Still dodging any sensible argument and responding with accusations, then. Alright, I'm off too anyway.

Well, first about DN mechanics, I think I'm getting a gist of it by now. From those tips, I suppose that when mafia hold a DN, they're forced to use it if they don't want penalties, but as the method of killing is by writing the name, thus, it impedes them from using special skills (janitor "cleaning" skills, poison, escorting), so it could be considered "draining power", the third quote seems to affirm something like this. I still think there are two familes and maybe third parties. If there are third parties, it would be also complicated for them to hold the note, because it could hinder their prime objective (i.e: Santa Claus would need to kill rather than giving his presents), on the other hand roles like the Serial Killer wouldn't be very affected by it because he would still have the power to kill but not twice cause the killing with Dn would count as his night action. The thing becomes even more complex if there are indeed masons (and one of them has the note) cause there could be a mafia among them.


Yes, I play pretty much the same whether I'm mafia or not, it gives some mystery to the game, right? I'll explain why you find my playstyle similar that's regardless of being mafia or townie I'll tell the truth, cause on the first time I lied on this game, I died and I didn't die when I told the truth (surprisingly), simple as that. Plus, I'm not entirely clear of suspicions about you either, though your incisive posts might be just your passion in bringing criminals to the lights of this town, I can't just trust you fully when I see you're pulling the strings for a lynching here. I do agree that Van defending niichan is very odd, after all, Vand is my favorite target (because he's a smart player and @Demonspeed instruct me so on my first game). Also I don't quite understand why people are suspecting there's some sort of allegiance between me and niichan, we're just playing bro and sis accordingly to our avys, lol.

And @gnut it's not that you're on the top of my list of suspects, but I'm always cautious around old players, cause I know you're skilled in deceiving and don't want that best MVP from mafia coming from any of them again. But my suspects at the moment is Empty Soul. That's why my vote goes for her:

Votekill Empty Soul

On a side note, @niichan oniichama I believe your words about being a plain townie, but if you're not a real townie, sis will be very sad.

Yeah, voting for EmptySoul before we see niichan's corpse is totally a good idea

I'd vote for that certain someone if I didn't think it would be a completely wasted vote, so I'll just votekill xnut. Not that it will make any difference either, from the look of things...

I don't think I'll be able to come back here before the day ends, but I've already repeated myself to exhaustion more than enough.

 

[Arjuna]

Hmmm niichan seems suspicious judging from the trend

Vote Kill Niichan

 

[Kato756]

gonna sleep, so...

un..

votekill nicchan?

 

[Lawl Po Bia]

 

[Elusia]

After re-reading the posts (to the point of me having a headache... and it's going to get worse from here), I think I can able to vote by the end of the day.

Now about the new chapter, I'm still stand in my belief that the pink and blue truths are just partial lies. But I can assume that the blue truth speaks more "truth" than the pink truth, if that makes any sense at all, especially when the blue portion was more frequent than the pink one.

 

[z.5]

zimby (who apparently has good reason) who haven't contributed much other than pointing out what other people have done.

Aye, sorry about that - hopefully can do more today (though I still have a lot of posts yet to read...)
Dunno why anyone wouldn't vote niichan at this point, pretty sure GrySun summed him up pretty well

votekill niichan

no one is jumping out as obviously as he is.

Neither @syx nor @Lady pompom stand out to me as Mafia (being the only people who didn't vote for niichan thus far) that much, but I haven't written much in my notes on either of them, so either they haven't said much or they haven't been arguing as much as GrySun or others have.

GrySun is the only trustable one amongst the whole lot of you... though I never thought I would ever say that

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oh, I only read up to 300 thus far, did anyone point out any more reasons for there being a 2nd Mafia or not?
I think it's probably wise to find out as soon as possible.

Also, if you block/stop an action, do you find out, or do you have to infer by death count?

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... and is there any reason why Zasz's name is underlined in his niichan vote?

 

[Spirit]

Aye, sorry about that - hopefully can do more today (though I still have a lot of posts yet to read...)
Dunno why anyone wouldn't vote niichan at this point, pretty sure GrySun summed him up pretty well

votekill niichan

no one is jumping out as obviously as he is.

Neither @syx nor @Lady pompom stand out to me as Mafia (being the only people who didn't vote for niichan thus far) that much, but I haven't written much in my notes on either of them, so either they haven't said much or they haven't been arguing as much as GrySun or others have.

GrySun is the only trustable one amongst the whole lot of you... though I never thought I would ever say that

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 16, 2017, Original Post Date: Nov 16, 2017 ---

oh, I only read up to 300 thus far, did anyone point out any more reasons for there being a 2nd Mafia or not?
I think it's probably wise to find out as soon as possible.

Also, if you block/stop an action, do you find out, or do you have to infer by death count?

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... and is there any reason why Zasz's name is underlined in his niichan vote?

It looks like Zasz has locked his vote. In the unlikely case of a tie here, a locked vote holds more weight.

 

[z.5]

In the unlikely case of a tie here

thanks for the info.

Is it possible that his locked vote could have been forced through an ability like the Politician's?
Not that it'd make any sense at all in this instance, considering how late he voted.

 

[Spirit]

Yes. But I believe that someone under the influence of the Politician needs to post their vote publicly, while not being allowed to say that they have been corrupted.

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https://mangahelpers.com/forum/posts/4649665/ - You are allowed to change your vote once per day, and the second vote automatically becomes a locked one. I don't think there is a Politician in this game or else they would have acted already.

 

[z.5]

Then not the Politician, but the Mafia gambler, or something?

Just so we are clear, I doubt this is the case. It'd make even less reason if it were a Mafia role doing it - as what would they have to gain?
Even if it is a rival Mafia group, I think it was pretty obvious that niichan was going to get some votes during this phase, at least - so risking 50:50 wouldn't have made much sense on that vote...

 

[Elusia]

I guess I'll make my decision now. Through all the posts, I can say that Gry-kun has convince me to vote for niichan. That and how I notice that he was really odd during the last hours of d1.

votekill niichan

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 16, 2017, Original Post Date: Nov 16, 2017 ---

Aye, sorry about that - hopefully can do more today (though I still have a lot of posts yet to read...)
Dunno why anyone wouldn't vote niichan at this point, pretty sure GrySun summed him up pretty well

votekill niichan

no one is jumping out as obviously as he is.

Neither @syx nor @Lady pompom stand out to me as Mafia (being the only people who didn't vote for niichan thus far) that much, but I haven't written much in my notes on either of them, so either they haven't said much or they haven't been arguing as much as GrySun or others have.

GrySun is the only trustable one amongst the whole lot of you... though I never thought I would ever say that

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 16, 2017, Original Post Date: Nov 16, 2017 ---

oh, I only read up to 300 thus far, did anyone point out any more reasons for there being a 2nd Mafia or not?
I think it's probably wise to find out as soon as possible.

Also, if you block/stop an action, do you find out, or do you have to infer by death count?

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 16, 2017 ---

... and is there any reason why Zasz's name is underlined in his niichan vote?

About the 2nd mafia, I think it is due to how many players there are.

 

[desin24]

votekill niichan

 

[EmptySoul]

Vote kill niichan
Reason:gut feeling

Spoiler

Real reason:hes the most suspicious looking back at his posts and i dont think i buy that "im a townie" act though if he really is..well frick
Guess we'll just have to wait and see

 

[GrySun]

I just woke up, and did the times change or did I actually not calculate the time correctly? Thought it would end at 13 eu time, this is 2 hours earlier. I probably just messed up the time.
Would want to reply some of the posts up til now but gotta get going soon.

We‘ve talked about everything regarding niichan already, if he shows as boss then Vand is most likely his mafia friend with the detective baiting, and it would be great if someone with the Death Note could kill him.

I am not the kind of person to beg for protection during the night, if we have docs/bodyguard then you protect whoever you think is best to protect.

I am certain Vand must‘ve been baiting, so I will !votelock niichan to die to his bomb instead of the last voter if he truly is bomb, but I don‘t believe he is. Hoping to be there in day 3, that‘s potentially when we start questioning everyone and not just focus on 1-2 people.