Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2017] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[cody]

I think your missing a few big aspect on whether a TPN anime is done "good " it doesn't completely matter on the studio, though personally that only matter .001% if the anime is good or not to me, is how well the story is able to translate over well to a movement based medium. To continue on this train of thought would anime only watchers find the series interesting and actually bother watching, I read the first few chapters of the manga and found it kind of a boring read so would others find the anime that way if they don't read the manga. There's also the possibility it may only receive its anime after it finishes publication, it's a low chance but it's there none the less, as it be a way to milk the series twice once during it's initial run the next during the anime release or like I've been saying that they could do a series of movies.
As for Kimetsu the only thing I'll say about it is that the studio most likely to pick it up and I can be hated for saying this but is most likely Toei the few chapters I've read the series screams Toei so take that in stride heck I knew even before the Black Clover anime was announced it was most likely going to get Perriot and in my opinion, which is an unpopular one depending of who you ask, there not doing that bad a job of adapting the series. You'll most likely watch the anime if they make it anyway so there isn't much point in complaining on who gets the rights to animate it.

The studio will be crucial, since Neverland has a very stunning and unique art style that will be hard to adapt for animation properly, sure, the staff will also be crucial, but a solid studio with a very strong core will be essential to deliver on the production values consistently throughout the entire anime, some studios simply have better staff members overall. If you thought the first chapters were boring, fine, that's your opinion, but I found them very intense, filled with mystery and intrigue. The chances it only gets an anime after the manga finishes are extremely low, the last time it happened for a WSJ manga was for Level E I think and that was a special exception and I guess the new Jojo adaptations also apply here, but that's also an adaptation of an old manga, there was also a romantic series from 2008 that got an anime after the manga finished I think, can't remember what it was, it had like 4 volumes + Shuisha are interested in promoting their series as quickly as possible, especially when it's taking off so quickly and so well, they want the series to go to the next level and there is no way they'll take the movie approach, why would they do that, whenever has that happened for a WSJ adaptation?

I don't hate you for thinking Kimetsu is a good pick for Toei, I will disagree though. I also personally assumed Pierrot or Toei would get Black Clover. I don't think Toei are a good fit because I know they won't be able to respect the manga's art style, which is a crucial part of the manga.
Some series have more generic designs for their characters and they lend themselves to getting adapted into animation pretty easily even if the studios adapting the manga tone down some distinctive features the characters had in the manga, without really making that much of a difference.
For some series that just doesn't work, I'm looking at series like Boku no Hero for example, here they truly couldn't afford to take any massive liberties in the anime character designs and make the characters look more generic because it would've taken away a huge part of the identity of the series, the character designs are just that distinctive, they really had to respect the designs to the smallest detail.
Neverland and Kimetsu both fall into the category where they'll need to respect the art styles properly or they'll strip away the series of a very distinctive crucial key feature. For Neverland and Kimetsu the character designs aren't the only striking part of the art work, in general the aesthetic for the two is a crucial part of the series and storytelling, that needs to be respected when adapted into animation.

You are wrong, I will not watch the anime if it's a shit adaptation, I will continue to read the manga though and just brush it off, since you can't do much about things like these and I guess I'd keep my hopes up the manga gets a good boost in sales. There is a point in complaining who gets an anime, I want the series I like and appreciate to get a good treatment and not a shit one, since a lot of series from Jump have been getting good adaptations recently, it's nothing too complicated, if BNHA managed to get lucky and get the best possible outcome for an adaptation for example, I'll hope that the same happens to Kimetsu and Neverland.

 

[ShenGao]

194 Robot x Laserbeam 233,226 2 volumes

With the recent announcement that Robo has a total of 460k copies in circulation that means half of it's readers are buying it digitally. Now I really want to know how much the other manga are selling digitally.

 

[Halloween]

Yeah, digital sales are becoming more and more prominent. I wouldn't be surprised if Black Clover has a sizeable digital-only presence as well.

Anyway, about TPN, I'm not sure I'd say it's Ass Class level. Didn't the first volume sell over a million and it eventually became the highest seller in Jump under One Piece?

It has a lot of potential though, I'll agree to that. I'm wondering if it can surpass MHA. It'll need a very successful anime to do it.

 

[Tamil]

For the most part studio doesn't matter. It's just the director/staff that matters. This video explains pretty well why.

Some studios have that iconic look to them though, like I can tell if a show is a Madhouse/Toei show by just looking at it. Their style remains pretty consistent at times.

As for Kimetsu the only thing I'll say about it is that the studio most likely to pick it up and I can be hated for saying this but is most likely Toei the few chapters I've read the series screams Toei so take that in stride heck I knew even before the Black Clover anime was announced it was most likely going to get Perriot and in my opinion, which is an unpopular one depending of who you ask, there not doing that bad a job of adapting the series. You'll most likely watch the anime if they make it anyway so there isn't much point in complaining on who gets the rights to animate it.

What screams Toei from Kimetsu No Yaiba? The feel of the manga is the last thing I associate Toei with. Just because it has monsters/demons and Toei has done works like Mononoke/Kitaro doesn't mean Kimetsu screams Toei. Mononoke was darker but I highly doubt they would treat Kimetsu like that.

No, I won't "most likely" watch it. I'll drop it if it's bad.

 

[Newkerzy]

With the recent announcement that Robo has a total of 460k copies in circulation that means half of it's readers are buying it digitally. Now I really want to know how much the other manga are selling digitally.

Assuming MHA is the same, then that means it has a total sales of 11.6M, the same as OP's numbers in the rankings. Since it already reached the 10M mark a while ago for all of its physical copies, then that means MHA probably just hit 20M mark. In just 3 years. How long did it take for Naruto and OP to reach that mark anyway?

 

[cody]

I know of that video and I disagree with it, I strongly believe the studio does matter. Even if you have an amazing staff working on the show, if the core employees of that studio aren't that great they will drag down the adaptation and consistency issues will appear. Do you think Boku no hero Academia would've had the same consistency and quality and animation highlights if Pierrot or Toei had the adaptation, but had the same staff? I truly don't believe so, especially since BONES have some top tier animators that only work for them.

I think Madhouse have lost their iconic feel though, unfortunately. I feel the same for BONES, they have that special something extra added when it comes to their anime, except they haven't lost their touch.

 

[SharkBait]

Assuming MHA is the same, then that means it has a total sales of 11.6M, the same as OP's numbers in the rankings. Since it already reached the 10M mark a while ago for all of its physical copies, then that means MHA probably just hit 20M mark. In just 3 years. How long did it take for Naruto and OP to reach that mark anyway?

I dont think you could assume that every series is getting double its sales digitally just because one series RxL may perhaps be doing that.

I would also think they would be glad to announce MHA at 20mln volumes - downloads.

 

[cody]

The digital sales issue is going to become increasingly frustrating over time, especially with print sales going down every year and digital sales growing.

Yeah, digital sales are becoming more and more prominent. I wouldn't be surprised if Black Clover has a sizeable digital-only presence as well.

Anyway, about TPN, I'm not sure I'd say it's Ass Class level. Didn't the first volume sell over a million and it eventually became the highest seller in Jump under One Piece?

It has a lot of potential though, I'll agree to that. I'm wondering if it can surpass MHA. It'll need a very successful anime to do it.

Yeah, it's too soon to call Neverland the next Ass Class. I think it can definitely surpass MHA, but it will all come down to promotion and the anime.

 

[TyVip]

Yeah, digital sales are becoming more and more prominent. I wouldn't be surprised if Black Clover has a sizeable digital-only presence as well.

Anyway, about TPN, I'm not sure I'd say it's Ass Class level. Didn't the first volume sell over a million and it eventually became the highest seller in Jump under One Piece?

To answer your question

121,058 *,121,058 Ansatsu Kyoushitsu Vol.1 debut sale, 3 days sale thanks razers

Fast forward to one year Kuroko's Basketball, Assassination Classroom's 1st Books Each Top 1 Million Copies in Print (May 2013)
Manga was released on July 2012 so the its manga sale ranking should be in 2013 for accuracy
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-12-01/top-selling-manga-in-japan-by-volume/2013

910,006 Vol 2
827,464 Vol 3
772,635 Vol 4
756,451 Vol 1
706,051 Vol 5
623,213 Vol 6

For a total of 4,595,820 in its first year. (2013)

Then 4,622,108 for its 2nd year without an anime yet. (2014)

8,605,861 in its 3rd year with an anime. (2015)

and 6,887,192 in its final year with a 2nd season and a live action. (2016)

 

[razerxs]

With the recent announcement that Robo has a total of 460k copies in circulation that means half of it's readers are buying it digitally. Now I really want to know how much the other manga are selling digitally.

They're being a little misleading here. 460K is actually digital sales + the regular print number.
The first volume got a massive 200K print and second got another 150K at least.

121,058 *,121,058 Ansatsu Kyoushitsu Vol.1 debut sale, too lazy to look up the how many days for that but if my memory is correct someone here says it has 300,000 copies for its 1st print. The only series who has that much for its 1st print is One Piece.

It was only 3 days. That initial print sold out in 3 weeks.
121508 (3)│208375│261509│323689│361695┃1,435,358 (899)┃2012/11｜ Ansatsu Kyoushitsu Vol.1

 

[iceemperor]

Assuming MHA is the same, then that means it has a total sales of 11.6M, the same as OP's numbers in the rankings. Since it already reached the 10M mark a while ago for all of its physical copies, then that means MHA probably just hit 20M mark. In just 3 years. How long did it take for Naruto and OP to reach that mark anyway?

I don't think its at 20 million yet even with Digital sales. At the maximum, its most probably around 15 million maximum combining the two. Heroaca, if it continues its current trend, will hit 20 million probably after Season 3 at around Volume 22-23. Unless Season 3 gives it another massive boost, I can't see it hit 20 million this early.

To begin with Digital sales have always been weird to me. Robo is at 460k with a combined Print and Digital but the print part is how many copies Shueisha has printed not sold wheras Digital is how many copies actually bought. Unless I know otherwise, I don't think they limit the number of times the digital copy can be bought so there is no need to "restock". How can you add print numbers and sales numbers to show total copies in circulation? They measure two different things.

 

[Bigivelfhq]

For the most part studio doesn't matter. It's just the director/staff that matters. This video explains pretty well why.

Some studios have that iconic look to them though, like I can tell if a show is a Madhouse/Toei show by just looking at it. Their style remains pretty consistent at times.

What screams Toei from Kimetsu No Yaiba? The feel of the manga is the last thing I associate Toei with. Just because it has monsters/demons and Toei has done works like Mononoke/Kitaro doesn't mean Kimetsu screams Toei. Mononoke was darker but I highly doubt they would treat Kimetsu like that.

No, I won't "most likely" watch it. I'll drop it if it's bad.

First, What makes something matter has nothing to do with that thing being static and always the same. Just because a company has people from outside and its internal staff is always changing doesn't means in any way or form that the company doesn't matter.
What makes something matter is the decision and execution power it has on the product being created and in its handling hereafter.

This is like saying that a company where a product is made doesn't matter. In the end is always a specific group of people that do the product, and in that you have the "main orchestrator" that lead all the people.
The problem is that we are looking at layers of creation, just like a onion you have some other layer beneath. We could also say that the director also doesn't mean much, given that each series is made by episode directors that are responsible for the episodes, and each of these directors and maybe even episode has a different team, and then you have certain parts of an episode that is also separated, and you get "normal" animation and sakuga. Each episode has a handful of sakugas that are not made by the same group of people. And the "normal" animation the same thing. And then you have sequences of drawings that are made by a group of people(or just one person).

So What matters more? Shouldn't be the person doing the drawings given that in the end that is the core of the art.
I would say that if you talking of a group of series: Animation Studio or Director(if he has leverage to do its thing independently of where he works).
One Series(In detail): Director and The main team
One Episode(In detail): Episode Director and Main Animation
...

Just like in statistic and how to choose a sample. What is important isn't the size of the sample, but that you're choosing the right kind of sample. Meanin that when talking about what matter in anime, is important to find the right kind of "entity" that matters. Just saying that because the company contracts people from outside and its internal staff is always changings that the company isn't important is the same thing to saying that the company that you choose to do any kind of work is irrelevant and this includes sport team, even countries team(And if you're in doubt about countries teams "contracting people from outside" note that basically does when a player nationalizes just to be able to play in a given country).

Toei Animation is the Top studio of Yokais. All the Kitaros were made by the company, and it has done other titles like Thriller Restaurant, Nube Sensei, Ghost Sweeper Mikami, Akuma-kun and more. It doesn't exist any other anime studio that has done more series of the genre, and they have the biggest and best know how about it.
Still that doesn't mean that Toei animation will do Kimetsu no Yaiba.

 

[TyVip]

Athen that means MHA probably just hit 20M mark. In just 3 years. How long did it take for Naruto and OP to reach that mark anyway?

I know you are excited, but slow down just a little bit~

Don't have data for Naruto but i do for One Piece
3 million in the first few months (1997), then 6 million in its year (1998), then 17 mil in its 2nd year (1999) then 37 million in its 3rd year (2000)

http://i.imgur.com/WFmwSQ7.jpg[

More recent series

Ansatsu Kyōshitsu has 20 million copies in print as of volume 17.
Haiykuu reached 20 million copies in print as of volume 23 or 24(?)

 

[Aipom626]

It goes down to 300.
I'm love keeping track how certain series do.
Here are for newest jump ones
165 Bokutachi wa Benkyou ga Dekinai 269,783 3 volumes
194 Robot x Laserbeam 233,226 2 volumes
225 Dr. Stone 205,697 2 volumes

Nice! I was thinking you meant like 100 or something, 300 is an incredible list to have produced. I love We Never Learn, so that's a pretty nice figure for just coming out this year. I hope the series continues to grow next year.

 

[De La Croissant]

AssClass is a phenomenon that I will never understand. Kuroko and Haikyuu had an arsenal of handsome boys and yet the female audience did not make them sell so much. Besides Korosensei, most of the characters are far from memorable. The same goes for the art of the series overall, Neuro was much more unique. And the anime was pretty meh. The kids identify with the school setting? Okay. But I don't think that's enough appeal to sell 1 million per volume. GTO was much more incisive in this aspect and still couldn't do it.

 

[sana76]

With the recent announcement that Robo has a total of 460k copies in circulation that means half of it's readers are buying it digitally. Now I really want to know how much the other manga are selling digitally.

that's not possible since it's digital performance is pretty bad. I checked the second volume since it was released at the same time with HQ and it struggled to stay it top 100 for less than 3 weeks on Amazon and even less on itunes and it was mostly in the bottom of the ranking.I doubt on other sites it did much better

The number comes from the printed copies , they obviously had big expectations for the series considering how agressive they promoted it in the beginning (out of the 6 of them it was the one which recieved the biggest push initially). All 3 volumes probably count for at least 400k in print (I would guess 420-430k), they expected the Kuroko fanbase to jump on the series or else I can't explain why such a big number

 

[SharkBait]

I dont really think a series selling >850K a volume and even >1mln selling series are really only selling because of female fans, at those large numbers you clearly have to be selling to a broad multi generational, multi gendered audience...especially when manga are only like $3.85. Any salaried adult male or granma could easily buy hq or kurobas to relieve the glory days of playing such hot blooded sports.

 

[Halloween]

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/in...imately-determine-series-cancellation/.124685

Assuming this is true in Jump as well, how do you explain the series that are selling terribly like Spring Weapon?

 

[SharkBait]

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/in...imately-determine-series-cancellation/.124685

Assuming this is true in Jump as well, how do you explain the series that are selling terribly like Spring Weapon?

Dengeki and Shueisha operate differently.

 

[TyVip]

I dont really think a series selling >850K a volume and even >1mln selling series are really only selling because of female fans, at those large numbers you clearly have to be selling to a broad multi generational, multi gendered audience...especially when manga are only like $3.85. Any salaried adult male or grandma could easily buy hq or kurobas to relieve the glory days of playing such hot blooded sports.

This is one of the many reason why One Piece the #1 seller, the manga has so many characters that every age/gender groups can relate to. Oda talked about this a really long time ago

One Piece has old characters, cute mascot, middle age character, kids, etc.. and the last survey a while back says that there are more female readers > male readers for one piece.

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/in...imately-determine-series-cancellation/.124685

Assuming this is true in Jump as well, how do you explain the series that are selling terribly like Spring Weapon?

This isn't true at all in Jump

You have series that got canned BEFORE the volume got release (Buddy Strike)

You have series that has been stagnate in sale for 3+ years (Hinomaru Zumou) yet still going strong.

Oh and for the record Spring Weapon N1 in my opinion is funnier to reach chapter by chapter as oppose to volume. FeelsBad that my people stop translate it after chapter 17.