Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2017] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[WyldViolet]

Why do you like it so much?

It's fun and hilarious, i love the characters and the way they interact, i love how over the top it is.
It's not meant to be taken super seriously.

 

[Mammo]

As the saying goes the harshest critics are the biggest fans.

so you are Kill la Kill and Little Witch Academia biggest fan?

 

[Doughboy]

I adore Robot x Lazerbeam. It's my favorite series in the magazine right now.

thought you said Neverland was your favorite, then HxH was your favorite... what do you like anyway

 

[SharkBait]

so you are Kill la Kill and Little Witch Academia biggest fan?

I think I dozed off multiple times in LWA it was so bad, KLK at least had some interesting ideas but the execution was messy. I am not that harsh of a critic to these franchises!

 

[WyldViolet]

thought you said Neverland was your favorite, then HxH was your favorite... what do you like anyway

The Promised Neverland is a second now.
Hunter x Hunter is my favorite when it's in the magazine.

Hinomaru Sumo is brilliant, shame it's probably nearly done. An all time favorite manga.
One Piece is great right now.

Adore Yuragi. We Never Learn is cute.

I really loved Shoodan, shame it didn't catch on.

I'm really digging the hell out of Golem Hearts

My Hero Academia, Kimetsu no Yaiba, and Haikyuu are all good.

Honestly this is the best lineup Jump has had in years and there's gonna be a lot more room in 2018. I'm excited for this golden digital age of Jump.

 

[Doughboy]

Oh bet, that's cool. Highkey got scared you were possessed with the spirit of GIA and gained the ability to flip flop and contradict yourself

Anyways hoping Golem Hearts survives, current events giving me HxH vibes. MHA's plot twist at the end will be interesting how it turns out but people will still be triggered somehow

 

[WyldViolet]

GIA never contradicted himself. You guys just didn't get his sense of humor or personality.

 

[shoyoboyo]

It's fun and hilarious, i love the characters and the way they interact, i love how over the top it is.
It's not meant to be taken super seriously.

I pretty much completely disagree with you but fair enough.

Highkey got scared you were possessed with the spirit of GIA and gained the ability to flip flop and contradict yourself

maybe that explains the sig lol

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GIA never contradicted himself. You guys just didn't get his sense of humor or personality.

Let's just leave it at that, or else more messages will be purged today lmao

 

[Doughboy]

Guess this is a good opportunity to ask this question, plays off the question of Golem Hearts surviving: when getting into something new do you guys care for the story or characters more? Me it's characters, I need something to stick with me. The story can be as good as all outdoors but if the characters are trash it's hard to be invested in it. Good characters can make an average plot better. Not sure if I can say the same the other way around

 

[TyVip]

^ Is it enjoyable or not? The good can come later.

and for 99% of the time the character makes it enjoyable. So character.

 

[Koi Kage]

Guess this is a good opportunity to ask this question, plays off the question of Golem Hearts surviving: when getting into something new do you guys care for the story or characters more? Me it's characters, I need something to stick with me. The story can be as good as all outdoors but if the characters are trash it's hard to be invested in it. Good characters can make an average plot better. Not sure if I can say the same the other way around

For me personally, it depends on how the series is presented. Take for example We Can't Study its overall story isn't really much to write home about, in my opinion anyway, but I really enjoy the characters and their interactions with one another over the plot. MHA on the other hand, for all the personally grieves es I have with the series as of late aside, I like it's plot more then I like the characters I would venture to say, excluding around 5, all the characters are kind of boring. (Vigilanites in my opinion is the better version of MHA universe combining good characters with a nice plot but that's personal opinion)

 

[SharkBait]

^ Is it enjoyable or not? The good can come later.

and for 99% of the time the character makes it enjoyable. So character.

If theres no good characters can it be enjoyable? Kimetsu yaiba doesnt seem enjoyable since it has no good characters. Fulldrive is enjoyable because it has good characters.

 

[Mammo]

it's really a case by case situation for me

like superheroes/medieval fantasy have become an overdone setting by now, but I still read and enjoy OPM, BnHA, NnT, Helck for the characters

at the same time I don't care how good the characters I won't read "cute girls doing cute things" or "slice of nothing ever happen" or running or swimming and other mundane shit manga

 

[Tamil]

Lastly, i think if a series in the magazine didn't manage to get the attention of 2 million jump readers (not counting digital) per week and haven't grow in 3 years despite very good TOC standing, it's not going to grow. In fact, the 'celebrity' on Ame Talk probably never heard of it too. Yes i'm talking about Hinomaru Zumou, and you can't say Jump doesn't push it either. It receives a color page on chapter 11, back to back color pages on 15 and 16, and a COVER on chapter 22, then another color page on chapter 25 in just under half a year.

Well if the series has no potential in growth then it would've been axed. I think an anime exposure will help a lot and HZ is really good from the first few chapters and it doesn't take long to get good. The problem is that people need to give it a try and that's where the anime will help.

 

[Luca11]

Guess this is a good opportunity to ask this question, plays off the question of Golem Hearts surviving: when getting into something new do you guys care for the story or characters more? Me it's characters, I need something to stick with me. The story can be as good as all outdoors but if the characters are trash it's hard to be invested in it. Good characters can make an average plot better. Not sure if I can say the same the other way around

Depends on the genre for me. For fantasy/anything remotely not realistic, it's the world building that keeps me. For slice of life/sports (no romance for me), it's the characters.

But I find it's hard to separate characters from story. A truly good story/plot is driven by characters and their interactions. I don't think you can find a good plot without good characters anyway. Good premises but bad plots and bad characters are plenty though.

 

[xAsum0x]

I enjoy TPN and I find the cast of characters to be pretty forgettable. For the most part though characters make or break a series imo

 

[razerxs]

Guess this is a good opportunity to ask this question, plays off the question of Golem Hearts surviving: when getting into something new do you guys care for the story or characters more? Me it's characters, I need something to stick with me. The story can be as good as all outdoors but if the characters are trash it's hard to be invested in it. Good characters can make an average plot better. Not sure if I can say the same the other way around

All good plots are character driven. Events need to be tied directly to their decisions and relationships or they're just a waste of ink.

In a fantasy setting, I'm a bit more generous. Characters are a product of the world they're in, so the world building conveys a lot of their development.

 

[Aipom626]

Adore Yuragi. We Never Learn is cute.

I really loved Shoodan, shame it didn't catch on.

Yuuna and WNL are both great, so I'm glad to see it looks like they're both here to stay for awhile. Assuming Shudan gets the ax in the upcoming cancellation round, I think I'm going to binge the series if it gets fully translated. The translator for Sesuji was saying on Reddit that once this semester of college ends in the next week or so, he would hopefully have the time to finish translating the last couple chapters of Sesuji, so that's good news for English-reading fans of the series.

I don't care how good the characters I won't read "cute girls doing cute things" or "slice of nothing ever happen"

Your loss there buddy. There are definitely more than a few that are lackluster and boring, but I'd say that can be said for any genre. I wonder if Act-age will fall into either of those categories

 

[Luca11]

Well if the series has no potential in growth then it would've been axed. I think an anime exposure will help a lot and HZ is really good from the first few chapters and it doesn't take long to get good. The problem is that people need to give it a try and that's where the anime will help.

Given the existence of SW, I don't think normal logic can be applied to this Jump. HZ is good but it's too niche a series for anyone to expect tremendous growth. An anime adaptation would definitely not boost it as spectacular like it did Kuroko or HQ, and could very well go down like Welcome to the Ballroom, which is a risk that I guess no one want to take at the moment.

 

[cody]

If theres no good characters can it be enjoyable? Kimetsu yaiba doesnt seem enjoyable since it has no good characters. Fulldrive is enjoyable because it has good characters.

I know this is bait since you don't actually read the manga, but take that back, you couldn't be any further away from the truth.