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Was it present in the second-last game? :cheez


Don't get in the way of my harassing Faffs, Demon, thanks. :ffwub

On a separate note: animated vote sprites and backreading BGM? Did @GrySun spend his hosting hiatus by training in the mountains to perfect his hosting skills?! :zomg
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I have to say I also find her claim convenient, at the very least. In the previous game, I kept pressuring her to say more than "active night role" because of how easily malleable that hint is for non-townies (she was Santa), and since she learns quickly from a mistake, now she claims a passive role which at some point can target someone for the kill - so Witch or Vengeful Townie. As I said, one of the most convenient claims to avoid being lynched.

Then she states that what Arjuna said is suspicious, but votes Zasz after stating that he's not sharing enough hints as last game (where he only "revealed" on D2) despite him already having shared two. Besides, as a funny note, the first people to vote on D1 in the last two games both turned out to be mafia. :heh

How's that for starters, @Faffs? =3=
I don't know about the last few games, but I also wouldn't agree with you that Farfalla now giving the "opposite" hint is convincing enough for an argument against her as there are countless factors that could play along in here. The player can choose to say the truth, or choose to lie as he pleases, and that's true for both Mafia and Townies, that want or need to protect the nature of their roles. And I would also not advice you to fudge some non-cohesive stuff from past game just to paint someone guilty. I placed my vote on what I observed here and now.

I seriously can't believe that you guys (or the ones who should know me) took my post as a form of bandwagon. Nevermind, what happened, happened. When Demon stated one thing and Faffs the other, I made this post asking you guys what the truth is now (did Zasz screw up or not?), since I didn't play the last MG. Anyway, I'm looking forward how this will play out.


Which post of yours have I ignored?
I don't know who you think you are, lady, but not here everyone is familiar with you, much less with your so called humour. I for one would appreciate it, when next time you want to use it as an excuse you place it in [HUMOUR]-tags, as of right now it was part in the decision of me placing my first vote.

For @Erinyes ' list I'd like to add that I don't have a night action, and it's new to me personally.
 

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I'm here and Ava changed finally. I'd read up on my Char but I such at role-playing anyway.
On to the game, I'm always one for more hinting earlier on, so I'll do that: I have an active role. personally, I'd prefer for a bit more details but I guess that'd simply be a bit unrealistic for D1 so wtv.
Spent some time catching up and so far, Im leaning towards Arj and Syx. The former made a pretty bold hint, although IMO, unwarranted. Personally, I feel that from previous games he's screwed up too much with hinting so perhaps he tried to take the safe route by hinting an unclaimable role. The next thing is him musing there are 2 mafia teams. That would be perfectly normal if his wording and subsequent postings didn't basically imply he already knew there were at least 2. Even when questioned, he argued there probably isn't three (understandable) but still leaves heavily on there being 2 teams. TBH, I can't quite get why he feels strongly that is the case assuming he doesn't have some info we don't.
And Syx, he tried to start a casual wagon on zasz just because, but I feel less strongly about him since he jokes/trolls a lot. Naturally this could be rather counter productive since we don't know when he is or isn't, and then somethings might be overlooked just because it's syx but I'd rather be cautious so I see this as a suspicious move from him.

Votekill Arjuna. Placeholder vote for reasons mentioned already. I think his opening game as mafia is usually weak like this
 

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I don't know who you think you are, lady, but not here everyone is familiar with you, much less with your so called humour. I for one would appreciate it, when next time you want to use it as an excuse you place it in [HUMOUR]-tags, as of right now it was part in the decision of me placing my first vote.
I'm well aware of the fact that not everybody is familiar with my postings, hence why I wrote "the ones who should know me" in brackets. If my posts made me suspicious in your view, then that is absolutely understandable and I have no one other than myself to blame. But the two people who are gunning at me the hardest right now are well aware about me, thus it's in one way quite amusing, but also saddening in the other way. Just my 2 cents.
 

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Was thinking that this was borderline rule-breaking as well, but both gnut and Gry have been here and there's been no mod message about it. Guess 'they'll allow it'.

In the end, he's basically claimed one of four (?) unclaimable roles. Guess that might not weigh as heavily as claiming a specific one...?
I found it rather cringeworthy when I was reading it. But neither did I see Arjuna participating in any games before, so I would assume that it went under the informal n00b-hammer. I think Arjuna is a fairly new player and the hosts rather let it off for that reason, so I think it might have been sincere and we can work with this extra piece of info, that might benefit the town.

For now I see her as innocent.
 

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Arjuna and syx are both guys (I think)...
 

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Arjuna and syx are both guys (I think)...
Hah, I was fearing something like that might be the case, but I'm not even gonna bother trying to get the right pronounce of new players, I'll stick with their ingame avatars.
 

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I don't know about the last few games, but I also wouldn't agree with you that Farfalla now giving the "opposite" hint is convincing enough for an argument against her as there are countless factors that could play along in here. The player can choose to say the truth, or choose to lie as he pleases, and that's true for both Mafia and Townies, that want or need to protect the nature of their roles. And I would also not advice you to fudge some non-cohesive stuff from past game just to paint someone guilty. I placed my vote on what I observed here and now.

I don't know who you think you are, lady, but not here everyone is familiar with you, much less with your so called humour. I for one would appreciate it, when next time you want to use it as an excuse you place it in [HUMOUR]-tags, as of right now it was part in the decision of me placing my first vote.

For @Erinyes ' list I'd like to add that I don't have a night action, and it's new to me personally.
But my very way of finding mafias hinges on observing how people act and react, especially on the first day - as much as it's often passed as the phase where people play more carelessly and don't pay much attention to how they vote or act, it's quite the opposite for me. I find it to be the most telling day, especially if paired with how people then play from D2 and onward. So what you see as non-cohesive stuff from past games, I see as patterns and common tactics.

And I know very well why a townie would prefer or need to lie about their role. It's precisely because it's convenient. I sure know I wouldn't claim Vengeful Townie if it were true, though.


I found it rather cringeworthy when I was reading it. But neither did I see Arjuna participating in any games before, so I would assume that it went under the informal n00b-hammer. I think Arjuna is a fairly new player and the hosts rather let it off for that reason, so I think it might have been sincere and we can work with this extra piece of info, that might benefit the town.

For now I see her as innocent.
This marks Arjuna's fourth game with us. Still hasn't been townie once, so far, and he's tried a number of, uh... variably efficient plans to pass for one.
 

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I seriously can't believe that you guys (or the ones who should know me) took my post as a form of bandwagon. Nevermind, what happened, happened. When Demon stated one thing and Faffs the other, I made this post asking you guys what the truth is now (did Zasz screw up or not?), since I didn't play the last MG. Anyway, I'm looking forward how this will play out?
I took that gif as a "Wait... Zasz was useful!?"-reaction. Guess others might have done the same.

Gonna be honest though, the reason I did so was because I misread Farf's post as an anti Zasz-wagon post. Now that you (and Evil) pointed it out, that's obviously not the case. Then she goes and votes Zasz who's made a big hint already which he will no doubt get called out on if he can't prove it sooner rather than later. Sure she said it's just a place holder, but nevertheless, I guess I don't find Farf as innocent as I thought, after all.

I feel like I should probably vote before going to bed because the phase ends right at my lunch time tomorrow, meaning (depending on how much there is to do at work) I'll have a hard time catching up and posting before it ends... so !vote kill syx. He's been on the top of my list for most of the Day Phase and my gut keeps telling me not to trust him. Will do my best to catch up in the morning but I feel confident enough with this vote for now.​
 

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Hm... I see daytime role hints, well, with Ace attorney as theme it would be great if we had a prosecutor (and maybe, a politician to force players forging evidence against others?):zomg that would be so cool.

Firstly the ones I suspect the most for now are Arjuna and Farfalla not so, but her voting Zasz is pretty strange. Arjuna because I don't see how he can be so sure there are two mafias, last game we had a big mafia and the Umineko, we had 3 mafias. I know those patterns usually don't repeat, but that still sounds very strange. (*cough* privileged information, maybe?*cough*)

Farfalla sounds slightly strange with that vote on Zasz, cause I can't just see how Zasz should become a target. First day is mostly to observe strange behavior, in that, I have to agree with my rival Vandred.

About my role, it's not a role I've had before, Yay!:zomg
 

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This marks Arjuna's fourth game with us. Still hasn't been townie once, so far, and he's tried a number of, uh... variably efficient plans to pass for one.
Really, that actually might be an interesting piece from the past (and way to go @GrySun neglecting the History thread :eyeroll Sure, everyone just wants to do the "fun" stuff...)


It's naive to say she has a clean vest just for that, but the fact that she wasn't townie before might even add up to not knowing about these kind of townie role things, as from the Mafia side the perspective is different and you don't find yourself in the position of role guessing and studying the roles thread as much as townies might.
 

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Meh, guess I'll just put a random vote.

Votekill syx

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I have to say I also find her claim convenient, at the very least. In the previous game, I kept pressuring her to say more than "active night role" because of how easily malleable that hint is for non-townies (she was Santa), and since she learns quickly from a mistake, now she claims a passive role which at some point can target someone for the kill - so Witch or Vengeful Townie. As I said, one of the most convenient claims to avoid being lynched.

Then she states that what Arjuna said is suspicious, but votes Zasz after stating that he's not sharing enough hints as last game (where he only "revealed" on D2) despite him already having shared two. Besides, as a funny note, the first people to vote on D1 in the last two games both turned out to be mafia. :heh

How's that for starters, @Faffs? =3=
A'ight, my appointment fully went as scheduled @.@v

Well, it seems like you didn't learn from recent past experiences. And like Evil don't know his own game as a whole.

I did learn from mistakes, not necessarily my own, though. I do think that gathering info soon, as I always say, can complicate coordination. It worked quite well in the past game. But I won't pull a Gry and expect people to give me their part without taking the leap first. People so easily walk away from those on D1 anyway that I might as well go further to prevent excuses. Also, I had no reason to conceal what I shared and keep it for later, and if I didn't fully disclosure my role is for the sake of not making it easier for the mafia to narrow down what they can claim. Btw, saying that I'm able to kill is your own claim, I made sure to leave even that open to their imagination.
And I'm sorry if I'm somewhat cocky and delusional now but I do think that if by chance I get to live I could complicate the scums lives with this list, another reason why I wanted it :hmph Last game in the deadpad I spotted inconsistencies the huge majority missed (Gry noticed one as well, and missed the other like all the rest). If anything, there are dets to check on me, you know how those go.

Is my butt comfy, btw? @.@ Cause you love to ride it. Queue, though, I'm small and weak, can't carry two.

Noooow I can finally go back to double check things that stood out to me as I initially planned, before things got in my way. So excuse me if I don't reply for a while, while I'm reading, quoting and shit like that.
 

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Meh, guess I'll just put a random vote.

Votekill syx

Notice me @syx-senpai. :kappa
You have always my full attention, bro. : )

Guess I should also start going full kappa mode in the future, right?
 

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Ok, the ones that called my attention and will be taking my honest vote (unless something weird happens).

- Bel-chi: Bel was a detective and a BP (I forgot her role in her first game, tho). Back then, she didn't seem excited about neither of those roles, which are OP (and fun in the det's case). Could have done it in the past to conceal an important role, but now she took a fully different path:
I have a very useful active role. I hopefully should be more help than I was last game.
Doesn't seem to be BP again, since that's completely different from what she did in the past. Idk why someone would say that unless they wanna be targeted, though, which could imply she's a trap (which is also not a very good claim for someone that wanna bait, imo, 'cause it stands out as iffy too much). Oooor... that it's the first time she's a scum and didn't know what to do so tried to sound critical and important to go around more easily during the day. Later she could claim she stayed alive cause a Doctor could be protecting her. She's the one I suspect the least out of my ones, though.

- Crescent: We were discussing hints and pointing fingers at Zasz and desin and meanwhile Crescent seemed to be avoiding the conversation. Her three posts were made during the topic and she provided nothing, only commented about off topic things and asked a system question. I'd give her the benefit of the doubt, due to being a starter, but I know Emperor instructed her before the game about the basics AND, specifically, about claims, she even gloated about it. I took part in a conversation about it in the discussion thread as well. So it looks to me that she intentioanlly avoided the questions, and I don't know if I can treat her as a full newbie that wouldn't even know phase lenghs. Also, she's hiding her status, which could mean nothing, but could have happened precisely for this game.

- desin: Finally, desin, which is the oddest one to me, I think, 'cause the course of actions and timing was just weird and convenient. At 10:43AM, my time, he agreed with the post I made less than 20 mins before and said we shoud go for it... yet, he didn't.
Thanks farfalla for the avatars they look lovely. I agree with the plan to share hints starting today since it worked really well.
I'll go look up the wikia to see who I am real quick
He said he'd brb to check wtv, that was irrelevant, and then simply disappeared.
I waited for 2h and pointed that out.
"I like it! I'll brb tho." *disappears* '-'
Then, again, just a few minutes later he showed up to reply (like, 20 mins again).
haha well I'm still recovering from new years, so pls excuse my absences. That being said I have a passive role unfortunately
After that, he only made another irrelevant comment about Ace Attorney again and simply disappeared, even though he was around for freaking 4h. I think his status also can't be traced, and he seems to be following the game, enough to respond whenever tagged/quoted, but staying out of the spotlights.

I don't believe Arjuna is lying, btw. I forgot what Lambu brought up a bit after, about his claim. It also seemed legit to me 'cause he mentioned the hosts being strict about it and Gry talked about it in the deadpad the game before. I double checked if the Gambler can't claim (duh) like the Politician, just to see if there was a chance he was that and got the warning from Gry, but it's not the case. Although I do agree with Van and Orgz that what he said is pretty much revealing his role, like I did to mine, and I don't see why he wouldn't get penalties for it. Won't complain though since it seems like it would be a townie being on a bad spot.
 

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It's naive to say she has a clean vest just for that, but the fact that she wasn't townie before might even add up to not knowing about these kind of townie role things, as from the Mafia side the perspective is different and you don't find yourself in the position of role guessing and studying the roles thread as much as townies might.
Sure, but let's just say I'll be very suspicious if Arjuna ends up claiming the one role he can't prove out of the four.


Hm... I see daytime role hints, well, with Ace attorney as theme it would be great if we had a prosecutor (and maybe, a politician to force players forging evidence against others?):zomg that would be so cool.

Firstly the ones I suspect the most for now are Arjuna and Farfalla not so, but her voting Zasz is pretty strange. Arjuna because I don't see how he can be so sure there are two mafias, last game we had a big mafia and the Umineko, we had 3 mafias. I know those patterns usually don't repeat, but that still sounds very strange. (*cough* privileged information, maybe?*cough*)

Farfalla sounds slightly strange with that vote on Zasz, cause I can't just see how Zasz should become a target. First day is mostly to observe strange behavior, in that, I have to agree with my rival Vandred.

About my role, it's not a role I've had before, Yay!:zomg
Does that mean we could be on the same side this time? :zomg Still, that's not much of a hint since you've only ever had a total of one townie role before, you know :nerd


A'ight, my appointment fully went as scheduled @.@v

Well, it seems like you didn't learn from recent past experiences. And like Evil don't know his own game as a whole.

I did learn from mistakes, not necessarily my own, though. I do think that gathering info soon, as I always say, can complicate coordination. It worked quite well in the past game. But I won't pull a Gry and expect people to give me their part without taking the leap first. People so easily walk away from those on D1 anyway that I might as well go further to prevent excuses. Also, I had no reason to conceal what I shared and keep it for later, and if I didn't fully disclosure my role is for the sake of not making it easier for the mafia to narrow down what they can claim. Btw, saying that I'm able to kill is your own claim, I made sure to leave even that open to their imagination.
And I'm sorry if I'm somewhat cocky and delusional now but I do think that if by chance I get to live I could complicate the scums lives with this list, another reason why I wanted it :hmph Last game in the deadpad I spotted inconsistencies the huge majority missed (Gry noticed one as well, and missed the other like all the rest). If anything, there are dets to check on me, you know how those go.

Is my butt comfy, btw? @.@ Cause you love to ride it. Queue, though, I'm small and weak, can't carry two.

Noooow I can finally go back to double check things that stood out to me as I initially planned, before things got in my way. So excuse me if I don't reply for a while, while I'm reading, quoting and shit like that.
Always jumping on the defensive, Faffs, that never seems to change =3=

By the way, that's a nice list you just made there. Makes your early vote for Zasz all the more illogical.
 

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You're not claiming what I think you're claiming again, are you...?
 
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