Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2018] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[SharkBait]

You are comparing two series in different moments of their run in the magazine, it is right and fair. People are trying to tell you that if you compare both in the same moment, when they had anime and they were in their peak, Toriko sold more than double of Black Clover is selling right now. Given that Black Clover cannot reach 300k even with an anime running, its future in the magazine and its final volume sales will not be like Toriko, I think, it will be less than this.

BLack Clover has yet to peak, so my point of comparison is valid. The Toriko supporter never specified that the comparison could not use the Toriko terminal volume for comparison. Surpassing even one Toriko volume strongly suggests and highly implies that BLack Clover is outperforming it.

 

[Franz]

BLack Clover and Boruto will be naruto level success something which wt cant achieve.

Black Clover maybe (but I do not think it will come to the level of Naruto in terms of fame and duration) Boruto no for sure.

BLack clover has surpassed toriko. .

A bit difficult since the first is 15 volumes while the second is 42 ---

 

[Tamil]

i was looking at the final time the toriko final volume charted at 204K, while the newest BLack Clover is at 238K.

BLack Clover has yet to peak, so my point of comparison is valid. The Toriko supporter never specified that the comparison could not use the Toriko terminal volume for comparison. Surpassing even one Toriko volume strongly suggests and highly implies that BLack Clover is outperforming it.

No it's not valid lol. What makes you so confident that the boost is going to be more than double of it's current sales? What will cause that to happen since the anime isn't looking like it'll come anywhere near of a boost like that at the rate it's going.

Toriko's boost (sales started to slowly drop off past volume 18)
│157727 (7)│190911│------│213269│------┃*,213,269 (*28)┃2010/10｜トリコ 11
│143910 (5)│203495│222368│------│------┃*,451,853 (327)┃2011/01｜トリコ 12
│109455 (3)│185564│209894│------│------┃*,430,048 (262)┃2011/03｜トリコ 13
│175851 (7)│216554│------│------│------┃*,437,565 (231)┃2011/04｜トリコ 14
│235017 (7)│283820│311498│------│------┃*,429,644 (140)┃2011/07｜トリコ 15
│154211 (3)│274848│315061│342157│------┃*,412,046 (*80)┃2011/09｜トリコ 16
│189521 (3)│297698│331144│------│------┃*,331,144 (*17)┃2011/11｜トリコ 17
│197054 (3)│318060│353555│375225│------┃*,487,114 (290)┃2012/02｜トリコ 18

BC's current boost
│*69741 (3)│128256│149552│------│------┃*,149,552 (*17)┃2017/08｜ブラッククローバー 12
│100937 (5)│144506│165512│180954│194163┃*,194,163 (*33)┃2017/10｜ブラッククローバー 13
│140431 (7)│182561│203018│222412│238929┃*,238,929 (*35)┃2017/12｜ブラッククローバー 14

BC has yet to come anywhere close to WT, so wait until that happens before you even bring up Toriko

 

[shoyoboyo]

I didn't think it was even possible be so wrong

this is very offensive and bad and almost reportable

 

[Franz]

Please, stop...

 

[Winter Soldier]

This discussion is really embarassing.
There is any information about Captain Tsubasa reboot?

 

[Leoat12]

BLack Clover has yet to peak, so my point of comparison is valid. The Toriko supporter never specified that the comparison could not use the Toriko terminal volume for comparison. Surpassing even one Toriko volume strongly suggests and highly implies that BLack Clover is outperforming it.

After 20 episodes? Laughable.
The logic specified that two different things cannot be compared at your pleasure. lol
And no. lol

 

[Caiops]

I don't know why Sharkbait like Black Clover...

Asta is ugly, Magma is ugly, the guy who loves his sister is ugly, Yuno is just Furuya from Daiya no Ace. At least RxL characters are cute.

 

[SharkBait]

I don't know why Sharkbait like Black Clover...

Asta is ugly, Magma is ugly, the guy who loves his sister is ugly, Yuno is just Furuya from Daiya no Ace. At least RxL characters are cute.

I love BLack Clover because its familiar and comfortable and hits all the right notes for a fantasy and magic based manga. The magic is creative and the non power level based system keeps it from feeling like everything is just a one upping type of opportunity. Like there isnt even a correlation between "number of clovers on a book" type of thing going on. Beyond that I love the world and the guilds which keeps things interesting. The magic stays realistic and we dont get zany one piece/ hero aca tier type of sillyness for magic/powers.

The aspect of family ties and friendships being such a prevalent role in the series is another thing that makes it an amazing and refreshing series in the current series in JUMP. Similar to Haikyuu, its great when people from a no-name type of place make a name for themselves and continually prove others opinions wrong. The aspect of these poor kids from an orphanage beginnings in the run down church in the back country making it into the knights squad (something that even adults from their village couldnt do), makes it relatable. In this age of the 1% and the economic inequality resulting from Capitalism, BLack Clover is chillingly relevant to many of us from humble non rich beginnings striving to make a name for ourselves in their occupation/education or etc in this dog eat dog world.

Lastly, Yuno is an interesting and different character and unlike how people like to compare SasuNaru to YunoAsta there are clear differences which make both extremely compelling and engrossing characters and relationships to indulge in. Yuno showed great growth from his crybaby asta is his saviour beginnings to becoming his number 1 supporter and more. Additionally, Yuno continues to show no indications or the potential to embark in avenger like motives, and he continues to be solely focused on both his rival relationship (though continually being Asta savior, like he was to him) and also in pursuit of the protector of the kingdom status, and Asta continues to do the same though in different ways. Asta is also pretty smart, funny, cute, and amazing and I think has all the qualities that makes a protagonist amazing. I also like how the writer didnt give him or have some Daddy Long Legs THRUST him magic, to this day he continues to remain magic~less and unable to even sense magic which I think is pretty amazing even though the writer could do it, he doesnt (and I believe Asta cant even use his anti magic stuff without the sword he has which continues to give him a limitation). He feels/is diverse for having this limitation/disability/handicap, so the manga deserves much welcome praise.

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((okay and that Furuya mention, fav Ace of Diamond characters are actually Okumura/Sawamura, Itsuki and the holy trinity Carlos Shirakawa Mei (My Ace!) #TeamInashiroForever...I want to see Furuya fail so the best battery can happen))

 

[jagman1x3]

I haven't read Black Clover, can someone who has clarify for me if this is bait or if it can actually be considered a valid interpretation of the series?

 

[Caiops]

I haven't read Black Clover, can someone who has clarify for me if this is bait or if it can actually be considered a valid interpretation of the series?

No, its not.

 

[cody]

I also like how the writer didnt give him or have some Daddy Long Legs THRUST him magic,

Holy shit this made me laugh out loud.

 

[shoyoboyo]

I haven't read Black Clover, can someone who has clarify for me if this is bait or if it can actually be considered a valid interpretation of the series?

Well it's definitely the most high effort shitpost I've seen in these threads, that's for sure.

 

[xAsum0x]

I haven't read Black Clover, can someone who has clarify for me if this is bait or if it can actually be considered a valid interpretation of the series?

Its just his opinion assuming he isn't baiting or doing his typical trolling. Just read it if you want to establish your opinion. As a battle shonen connoisseur, its just as cookie cutter as it gets, but if you're tolerant to tropes and generic friendship speeches you'll find enjoyment in the fights and the art. Maybe the comedy.

 

[Unok]

It's always amazing when you see people thinking their opinion is a fact and thus a series is shit and no one have to like it. And here is always full of people hating Black Clover and each week someone feels the need to remind us that he hate the series and it's shit. Just because you don't like a series, or think it has bad points, that doesn't stop other people liking it. From current Jump lineup, Black Clover is the series I enjoy the most. People constantly complain about "cliches", "tropes", etc. so what? As long as they are presented good, its all fine, as long as I'm still entertained by the manga, it's all fine. It doesn't need to be a masterpiece and it isn't trying to be one.

Anyway, I have no desire to argue about it, you are free to like or dislike whatever you want. But the fact the series still exists and sells good, means there are more people liking it than you guys want it to be.

Caiops: Actually what SharkBait said (his big post) can actually be considered valid interpretation. Everything he said is in the series, it's up to him how he interpretate it.

 

[jagman1x3]

Well it's definitely the most high effort shitpost I've seen in these threads, that's for sure.

I honestly can't tell what's serious and what's not since I haven't read the series and have no intention of doing so, but the amount of effort that's clearly put into it is what makes me hesitant to delete it every time this happens and derails the thread for a few pages.
Either way, it should go in the Black Clover thread at this point so I'm sadly(?) going to need to put a stop to this.

 

[shoyoboyo]

Just because you don't like a series, or think it has bad points, that doesn't stop other people liking it.

And just because you like a series, or think it has its good points, doesn't stop other people from disliking it. What's your point?

 

[Unok]

Did I say you can't dislike it? I think my point was clear, but if you missed it, go read my 1st and 3rd sentence again. Good of bad points, you can like or dislike a series. Too many people think their opinion is a fact and thus a series shouldn't exist because they don't like it. And acting like there is no reason to like a series, just because they don't.

 

[shoyoboyo]

I'm pretty sure you're just blowing the whole thing out of proportion. No one is telling others not to like Black Clover, or saying their opinion is wrong for liking it. At most, someone will say it's shit.

And no, this thread isn't "full of people hating Black Clover". You're probably misinterpreting people correcting others who post misinformation about how successful or popular Black Clover is.

 

[Tarot]

I don't think it's fair to judge whether Black Clover's a success or not based on how Toriko did. Toriko was airing next to One Piece and had a far greater exposure than Black Clover. WT is a much more apt comparison and correct me if I'm wrong but its sales didn't increase much until the anime was halfway through.