Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2018] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[nonowa]

I think Ziga Ziga will be the "death game" thriller genre that is decently popular these days.

 

[iceemperor]

Noah's notes seems like it might be interesting but I really don't expect too much from Ikezawa. I liked Kurogane but Mononofu was nothing special. It will be nice if he makes it like Horikoshi but we'll have to see.

What's really sad is that more rookies, or mangaka in general don't try their hand in historical series or based on classics in Jump or other big magazines. Lots of what we have have been around for a while. If its well written, it usually sells well. I'm reading Houshin Engi right now and I really wish someone tries something similar, taking a classic and putting their own unique spin while keeping the overall plot and end result the same.

 

[xAsum0x]

Would Jump be the appropriate place to try stuff like that?

 

[iceemperor]

Would Jump be the appropriate place to try stuff like that?

When you have current HxH, which is the furthest thing from the traditional image of Jump shounen manga, and pretty much a seinen manga, then you can try anything in Jump. One of the things Neverland is being advertised with is the line of it being "not-Jump-like". Sure Jump readers want something "Jump-like" but if its a well written story with good characters then it will sell. Its just a matter of "persuading" the reader-base.

 

[Franz]

To be picky, one of the most successful "recent" manga of Jump is The Promised Neverland, which is far enough from the classic shonen .....

 

[Leoat12]

Don't you think that claiming that Jump readers wants to read classic battle shounen manga is inaccurate these days given the age of the readers? The majority of the readers are not kids anymore and are like us here, 18~22 years old guys who like battle shounen, but also like to read something unconventional besides that. That's why things like Assassination Classroom exploded and The Promised Neverland is flourishing. And that's another reason to say that there is no better time to have something like Act-Age on the magazine.

 

[savethecat]

Don't you think that claiming that Jump readers wants to read classic battle shounen manga is inaccurate these days given the age of the readers? The majority of the readers are not kids anymore and are like us here, 18~22 years old guys who like battle shounen, but also like to read something unconventional besides that. That's why things like Assassination Classroom exploded and The Promised Neverland is flourishing. And that's another reason to say that there is no better time to have something like Act-Age on the magazine.

I think people just want good unique stories. With good characters. I think there’s still a big market for battle series, we just haven’t had one with a good hook in a while. None of the recent ones really stand out.

Neverland has the mystery aspect. And is a bit edgy(for kids). Even if us adult don’t like it, the story found that nice thin line where it’s appropriate for children, but JUST dark enough that they can feel like they’re reading a “big kids” story.

It just needs to offer something that past Jump hits(at least in recent years) haven’t offered. And do it well.

 

[razerxs]

The raw for the new series is up. Jujutsu Kaisen by Gege Akutami: https://tieba.baidu.com/p/5577793295

 

[ShenGao]

The end felt abrupt. The dude just transformed and was about to go crazy when the chapter ends.

 

[TyVip]

Kurogane + Mononofu were bad.

What's really sad is that more rookies, or mangaka in general don't try their hand in historical series or based on classics in Jump or other big magazines. Lots of what we have have been around for a while. If its well written, it usually sells well. I'm reading Houshin Engi right now and I really wish someone tries something similar, taking a classic and putting their own unique spin while keeping the overall plot and end result the same.

But you have to know the historical series/classics first to appreciate it even more. Otherwise it's just like another battle shounen.
Like the novel that Houshin Engi is based upon was aired on television as a live TV adaption with 40+ episodes. So when i read Houshin Engi I notice it right away and enjoys it very much.

It is very different from Dragonball where Toriyama just borrowed the Sun Wukong story's elements, Houshin Engi is the novel-ish in manga form.

 

[shoyoboyo]

I do agree that now is probably the best time for Act-Age to try it's hand at serialization, but my main "problem" with it is that it has a female mc. I say "problem" because it's not a problem to me personally, but I can't imagine it would be very popular with the general reader base. When was the last time a manga with a female mc was successful? Sure we have Emma, but that's one success amongst many failures.

 

[nonowa]

Dr. Slump, Medaka and Neverland all use the same clutch with their female protagonists by having male co-protagonists by their side; I think Act-age tried the same with the director, but he is more of a mentor.

 

[savethecat]

The raw for the new series is up. Jujutsu Kaisen by Gege Akutami: https://tieba.baidu.com/p/5577793295

Actually looks rather cool art wise to me

 

[Caiops]

Act-Age premise looks like something from a JAV...

I'm not kidding.

 

[Koi Kage]

The raw for the new series is up. Jujutsu Kaisen by Gege Akutami: https://tieba.baidu.com/p/5577793295

I don't think this will stick around for very long, I don't think its bad I'll need to read more to make an opinion on it, but we already have two exorcism series serialized already, though Bozebeat isn't in the clear as of yet so it could have a chance.

This wasn't the best first chapter it comes across as kind of rushed without really having time to revise it before sending it to print the reason behind why I think that is there was alot of excess stuff that, in my opinion, could've been cut out to make the chapter flow a bit better also eliminating abrupt ending the chapter had.

 

[iceemperor]

But you have to know the historical series/classics first to appreciate it even more. Otherwise it's just like another battle shounen.
Like the novel that Houshin Engi is based upon was aired on television as a live TV adaption with 40+ episodes. So when i read Houshin Engi I notice it right away and enjoys it very much.

It is very different from Dragonball where Toriyama just borrowed the Sun Wukong story's elements, Houshin Engi is the novel-ish in manga form.

Sure it helps to know the original story but I didn't know about the original Chinese novel before I started reading Houshin Engi and it wasn't just another battle shounen. Houshin Engi is rather anti-climactic compared to traditional shounen manga however it makes up for this with its unique setting. Any appreciation gained from reading/researching the original work only adds to enjoyment. It doesn't mean you cannot be fully engrossed unless you know the source. That means the mangaka failed to draw you in and provide enough information. Kingdom is the prime example of this. Most people don't know that part of Chinese history but you're still drawn in.

If you can get a work like this, you can easily get another big seller. However, it all depends on the vision of the EiC and the other editors that take part in the serialization meetings.

 

[Leoat12]

I do agree that now is probably the best time for Act-Age to try it's hand at serialization, but my main "problem" with it is that it has a female mc. I say "problem" because it's not a problem to me personally, but I can't imagine it would be very popular with the general reader base. When was the last time a manga with a female mc was successful? Sure we have Emma, but that's one success amongst many failures.

I think it can appeal to people who like idol franchises because it is more or less the same thing, there are idols who act as well. If the protagonist is interesting enough, and I think she is, the series can catch the attention of the readers, make them root for her, etc. She is also cute, which also helps.
Imagine if it was a man... It would be bait for fujoishi again, which could successful, I have to admit, but it wouldn't have the same appeal to the majority of the Jump readers.
Emma is not a good example, really, I bet many readers see her as a guy, it doesn't make any difference. It is like the tomboy girl who plays basketball along with the guys and they don't see her as a girl at all.

 

[Luca11]

Kingdom is the prime example of this. Most people don't know that part of Chinese history but you're still drawn in.

the Chinese Warring State periods are pretty well known in Japan as well as other Confucian-influenced countries, especially since importantant Confucian writings were written down during this period like the Arts of War. Japan might like Kingdom because of this.

 

[Newkerzy]

Rurouni Kenshin, which takes place during the Meiji era should also be mentioned. Not only that, the backdrop against the manga is one of Japan's most turbulent times, the Bakumatsu.

 

[xAsum0x]

If you think about all the excorcism manga you've ever read in your life, you can predict the setup for Jujutsu Kaisen. Bozebeats at least had good art.