A weaker 10c perhaps, but theres been nothing to show she can stand against the top tiers like Estarossa, Zeldris, Monspiet, Dolor, Gloxinia. Hell she hasnt even shown feats that she can tag someone moving at Galan's level of speed. Her feats are against her, there's no arguing this.
She certainly has the power to harm all of those individuals that you listed, but the only real question is whether or not Elizabeth has to speed or physical ability to do it (e.g land an ark)
If a Goddess Elizabeth with full intentions (e.g to kill or seriously hurt) went after the commandments, then it would honestly be a 1-3 shot battle for her, her ark would do very lethal damage in my opinion, and this is backed up by the fact that Elizabeth's weakest form, human without memories was easily able to melt Derriere's hand, so what happens when Elizabeth in her strongest form with all her skills in tact would go after someone like Derriere with the intent to kill? Well I don't see how Derriere can win lol
Personally, I believe Elizabeth as a Goddess does have the capabilities and powers to face off against multiple commandments by herself, since she threatened 6 of them in the past and told them that if she had to fight them to protect Meliodas, that she would. And since Galan's presence was there and she wasn't turned to stone, she must've held the belief that she was certainly truthful in her claim of taking on all the commandments, unless of course there's some unrevealed powers Elizabeth has (e.g Maybe her mother gave her divine protection?). But considering how she is an intelligent girl and quite realistic about her powers and not likely to make empty threats, I 100% believe in her claim to do this.
The only thing I kind of agree with you when it comes to Elizabeth's power is around her physical stats, it's quite vague whether or not she could move as fast as Zeldris for example which would lead to difficulties in a death match, even as a Goddess, but when it comes to her magic I don't think there's much to argue, it's very powerful and if Elizabeth isn't in a limited form or has full intentions then it's pretty devastating lol.
She certainly has the power to harm all of those individuals that you listed, but the only real question is whether or not Elizabeth has to speed or physical ability to do it (e.g land an ark)
If a Goddess Elizabeth with full intentions (e.g to kill or seriously hurt) went after the commandments, then it would honestly be a 1-3 shot battle for her, her ark would do very lethal damage in my opinion, and this is backed up by the fact that Elizabeth's weakest form, human without memories was easily able to melt Derriere's hand, so what happens when Elizabeth in her strongest form with all her skills in tact would go after someone like Derriere with the intent to kill? Well I don't see how Derriere can win lol
Personally, I believe Elizabeth as a Goddess does have the capabilities and powers to face off against multiple commandments by herself, since she threatened 6 of them in the past and told them that if she had to fight them to protect Meliodas, that she would. And since Galan's presence was there and she wasn't turned to stone, she must've held the belief that she was certainly truthful in her claim of taking on all the commandments, unless of course there's some unrevealed powers Elizabeth has (e.g Maybe her mother gave her divine protection?). But considering how she is an intelligent girl and quite realistic about her powers and not likely to make empty threats, I 100% believe in her claim to do this.
The only thing I kind of agree with you when it comes to Elizabeth's power is around her physical stats, it's quite vague whether or not she could move as fast as Zeldris for example which would lead to difficulties in a death match, even as a Goddess, but when it comes to her magic I don't think there's much to argue, it's very powerful and if Elizabeth isn't in a limited form or has full intentions then it's pretty devastating lol.
Don't forget the current Elizabeth is stronger than the original one.
Remember she has a 100 plus past lives to back her(granted not all of them had to be fighters;but a lot had to be)not to mention that they could have learnt their own magic power outside the Goddess Clan arsenal they all share and this Elizabeth would have all that.So anything Liz had,Barbarian Eli all lie within this one.
Ugh she's actually low key broken (I just want someone hurt Meliodas badly in front her presence and then she goes all out)
People somehow forget that in her last lifetime alone, she was a capable fighter her entire life. Even if goddess elie didnt know hand to hand, current Elizabeth definately does. She has 107 lifetimes worth of experience in all aspects of life. Lets not mince words
Don't forget the current Elizabeth is stronger than the original one.
Remember she has a 100 plus past lives to back her(granted not all of them had to be fighters;but a lot had to be)not to mention that they could have learnt their own magic power outside the Goddess Clan arsenal they all share and this Elizabeth would have all that.So anything Liz had,Barbarian Eli all lie within this one.
Ugh she's actually low key broken (I just want someone hurt Meliodas badly in front her presence and then she goes all out)
Sure those skills are useful, but at the same time Elizabeth is still weaker than her Goddess form. She said her power is not what it used to be, referencing to her human vs Goddess form.
Sure those skills are useful, but at the same time Elizabeth is still weaker than her Goddess form. She said her power is not what it used to be, referencing to her human vs Goddess form.
Ok then we'll have to wait and see if she does something to Estarossa before she gets saved and if she fights him or anyone head on I'm getting tired waiting for her fights to happen.
Sure those skills are useful, but at the same time Elizabeth is still weaker than her Goddess form. She said her power is not what it used to be, referencing to her human vs Goddess form.
she also said at one point that with her current level of power, she could not stop his emotions being seperated from his body, as if she could have done it back then.
The thing is, that since she said that, she has regained a lot of her abilities including flight, so its very possible that she gains them back the closer to the end of the curse. Otherwise it would not make sense for her to be weaker than other goddess vessels in human bodies. Sariel, Tarmiel and Ludo seem to have no concept of being affected due to being in human bodies, and Elizabeth's is her own body itself
She certainly has the power to harm all of those individuals that you listed, but the only real question is whether or not Elizabeth has to speed or physical ability to do it (e.g land an ark)
If a Goddess Elizabeth with full intentions (e.g to kill or seriously hurt) went after the commandments, then it would honestly be a 1-3 shot battle for her, her ark would do very lethal damage in my opinion, and this is backed up by the fact that Elizabeth's weakest form, human without memories was easily able to melt Derriere's hand, so what happens when Elizabeth in her strongest form with all her skills in tact would go after someone like Derriere with the intent to kill? Well I don't see how Derriere can win lol
Personally, I believe Elizabeth as a Goddess does have the capabilities and powers to face off against multiple commandments by herself, since she threatened 6 of them in the past and told them that if she had to fight them to protect Meliodas, that she would. And since Galan's presence was there and she wasn't turned to stone, she must've held the belief that she was certainly truthful in her claim of taking on all the commandments, unless of course there's some unrevealed powers Elizabeth has (e.g Maybe her mother gave her divine protection?). But considering how she is an intelligent girl and quite realistic about her powers and not likely to make empty threats, I 100% believe in her claim to do this.
The only thing I kind of agree with you when it comes to Elizabeth's power is around her physical stats, it's quite vague whether or not she could move as fast as Zeldris for example which would lead to difficulties in a death match, even as a Goddess, but when it comes to her magic I don't think there's much to argue, it's very powerful and if Elizabeth isn't in a limited form or has full intentions then it's pretty devastating lol.
Well to me it really depends on the kind of ark she uses. The type of Ark she used on Estarossa did pretty much nothing. Something the 4AA commended him for it. It may not have been all her power but it was an ark, and she had no reason to turn off it's molecular destroying properties at that moment otherwise the 4AA's wouldnt have even said anything at that moment. However the ark she used on Meliodas was more of a slap, but using the ark as reinforcement of sort. Kinda like slapping someone with a grenade lol. It had both momentum, as well as the power of ark behind it. The problem with that attack however is it requires her to actually hit someone up close, and with the high tier characters easily moving at hyper sonic speeds, that could be a problem. Derriere's arm as I explained before, and from what we've seen, was the result of focusing one part of the body with ark. Considering Mel's arm was burnt with ark yet he's definitely more durable than Estarossa. Unless the ark that burnt Mel was stronger than Elizabeth's ark which then that puts her at least or below Ludoshell's level. But for the most part it seems ark just has a different effect if it's focused more. As for her claims, it's really just her threatening to take them all on. Doesnt look like she cared much for whether the threats were empty or not, she was just being defensive of her man. It's not like she said "I can defeat all of you all at once for sure!", heck and even if she said it, as long as she believed it she wouldn't be affected lol.
I’m curious as to why Elizabeth in particular is a focus of discontent among most viewers. It seems to me that she has various traits that people, may or may not exagerate,to whatever extent, use as ammo against and thereby form a bias against her character and capabilities that are quite unwarranted despite the fact that it is well known that we are not aware of her background to a large degree.
For instance her pacifistic nature. Elizabeth has not been portrayed as an absolute pacifist, yet some people use her pacifism as means to validate their claim that she has very little to no combat potential.
I’m curious as to why Elizabeth in particular is a focus of discontent among most viewers. It seems to me that she has various traits that people, may or may not exagerate,to whatever extent, use as ammo against and thereby form a bias against her character and capabilities that are quite unwarranted despite the fact that it is well known that we are not aware of her background to a large degree.
For instance her pacifistic nature. Elizabeth has not been portrayed as an absolute pacifist, yet some people use her pacifism as means to validate their claim that she has very little to no combat potential.
Because half the fanbase is being ridiculous, when it comes to her.
Half are saying she’s as strong as Mel because SD’s daughter. And that’s it. Based on absolutely nothing else that’s a sane coherent argument.
She got knocked out by Derierie. Couldn’t hurt Estarossa. Neededed help against Indura’s. Wanted to fight Meliodas but was prevented from doing it by Merlin cause she said he’d kill her. She’s even weaker now that when she was a goddess, because she’s human.
She has completely failed at every opportunity and virtually needed to be rescued anytime she has interacted with any strong demon, or offered to fight a high ranking demon.
She heals and purifies. Those are her primary abilities. Neither of those are combat orientated.
She proved she could beat Low Level commandmnets like Mera by herself, when she purified her without difficulty. That is her greatest feat she accomplished alone.
Mera’s, Galan’s, Fraudrin’s she can solo without help. That’s what she has shown.
So these people that come on here saying “Eli is 100K!!!!” are the people that are sowing discontent, because it’s completely nonsensical fan fiction.
Because half the fanbase is being ridiculous, when it comes to her.
Half are saying she’s as strong as Mel because SD’s daughter. And that’s it. Based on absolutely nothing else that’s a sane coherent argument.
She got knocked out by Derierie. Couldn’t hurt Estarossa. Neededed help against Indura’s. Wanted to fight Meliodas but was prevented from doing it by Merlin cause she said he’d kill her. She’s even weaker now that when she was a goddess, because she’s human.
She has completely failed at every opportunity and virtually needed to be rescued anytime she has interacted with any strong demon, or offered to fight a high ranking demon.
She heals and purifies. Those are her primary abilities. Neither of those are combat orientated.
She proved she could beat Low Level commandmnets like Mera by herself, when she purified her without difficulty. That is her greatest feat she accomplished alone.
Mera’s, Galan’s, Fraudrin’s she can solo without help. That’s what she has shown.
So these people that come on here saying “Eli is 100K!!!!” are the people that are sowing discontent, because it’s completely nonsensical fan fiction.
I agree that it is nonsensical to place a number on Eli ability given her less than numerous moments of display. But I also believe that is equally nonsensical to ignore the details in her displays.
Everybody wants to see a fight so naturally most people would not call a non fighter their favorite. Which is all well and good but the dislike is excessive.
Eli is looked at with a much harsher lens than most and it seems to me that is because of her dislike of fighting in particular. You noted that she got knocked out by deri. When Mel got knocked over by Eli it was downplayed to attribute advantage, unexpedectedness and comedic relief. But Eli, who has a weaker physicality, got sucker punched to the face point blank by one of the top 3 physically strongest of the ten at 48000 at there is no excuse for that. Merlin getting knocked out against a wall garners less ridicule.
It seems that most people do not look at her through curiosity but instead in contempt mainly because of disliked fans rather than her portrayed potential. Do you not agree in any capacity?
The fact that she is royalty, and has a personal relationship with her mother could mean she has exclusive abilities that are powerful. For example, ''Let There Be Light'' seems to be something exclusive to Elizabeth only due to its religious reference.
So no, personally, just saying ''Elizabeth is the Supreme Goddesses daughter'' isn't enough to warrant her being AM tier, but it helps build a case for it.
A punch that did no damage? Or a bruised lip at best?
And you ignore two important facts here:
A) Elizabeth wasn't even in a fighting attitude. As @MrSchmitty7 repeats all the time, individuals in battle have their PL's raised to a fair degree. Elizabeth here is more concerned about negotiating than fighting, so this ''lol she got knocked out'' only applies against a passive Goddess Elizabeth who doesn't even try to defend herself or react. (Like How Meliodas half-allowed Elizabeth to hit him)
It doesn't apply to a Goddess Elizabeth (who like in 223) who is fighting and generally wants to kill/hurt someone. It's the same scenario as to how Elizabeth (as a human) could minimally bruise Meliodas at 142k when he's passive, but would never be able to in combat (because PL's raise, defences aren't down etc).
B) This is more of just my opinion, but the fact that Nakaba had to find a way to get Elizabeth out of the way for a few moments is one reason why this ''one punch'' scene happened.
It makes no sense realistically, how Goddess Elizabeth ended up being ''One hit KO'' here if you actually look at her character.
She's outperformed herself (durability wise) in other moments:
-She stood in front of the Gods. And regardless of them ''holding back'' or Meliodas ''defending her'' (which is absurd considering he's helpless before 1 God, nvm 2, so how does he compensate for her?), if all it took was a basic 50k demon's punch to take her down then Nakaba would've depicted her on the floor unconscious (or even dead) whilst Meliodas stood. But nope, he draws them as equals, taking equivalent damage etc.
As a human, she survives deadly poison that can kill anybody besides the other races (IIRC) without her memories, and can survive a berserk Estarossa trying to crush her throat.
The fact that her human body (which is inferior to her Goddess) can physically outmatch her prime, to me, seems very weird.
So to me: Nakaba made the ''one punch KO'' scenario happen so Elizabeth could be removed from the situation and won't hinder the battle the audience wants (AA vs 10C's) whilst creating dramatic effect for Elizabeth and Meliodas relationship (the whole crying about not being able to stop the fighting).
So in @MrSchmitty7 words: ''lol dramatic effect''.
But since this is just my opinion, I can't really prove it besides a few little things. But it still has relevance imo.
Because she used a basic ark which is non-lethal in nature, and never tried to actually use the ark in a lethal manner.
Analogy wise, Elizabeth basically used the blunt side of a knife to threaten you to move back, and when you did, the AA come along and go ''wtf nO dAmAgE?'' even though she never touched you with the knife itself.
You can argue against it, but tell me this:
-Why didn't she explode or compress the ark? Nerobasta did this when she enveloped Derriere in a bubble, and from the looks of it, its the way to go if you want to do damage with an ark bubble.
-Why didn't she use the ark slap or an ark blast? Or even the whale if she wanted to do damage. An ark bubble by itself is on the weaker scale of offensive power because of how it works. The ark she used suggested she only wanted to move him away. Not hurt him.
So her ''couldn't hurt Estarossa'' should be a ''Didn't choose to hurt Estarossa, but move him away'' .
A) That this was a 1v2. So it's not fair to criticise how she failed or needed help considering how she was already in a losing fight from the get-go. Meliodas could easily take down one of the Kings (back in his pre-purgatory form) in a 1v1, but even in a 1v2 (as he said) he wouldn't stand a chance. Same applies here.
B) Outperformed the Archangels. Regardless of the ark used. Her magic worked. Ludoshel's failed. He asked for her help and seemed more confident in her abilities than 2 other AA's combined.
C) She saved the AA's from death. Sariel and Tarmiel couldn't heal until Elizabeth forced Monspiet to let them go (and therefore give them the opportunity to heal) and Ludoshel can't individually handle 1 Indura, nvm 2. So the ''Omg Elizabeth needed help!'' Is true.
But people should also add ''The AA's needed help! Elizabeth had to save them!''
But you don't see that because people ignore certain facts in this manga to down-play her character.
A) She's a human. She's got 0 chance in her weak form.
B) Merlin has a sister bias. Even as a Goddess, Merlin wouldn't dare put Elizabeth in a risky situation, since she cares for her and wants to protect her. Hell, she didn't want Elizabeth to be near a sleeping Meliodas, which demonstrates how strong her bias is.
Naturally, which is one reason why people need to cut some slack for Human Elizabeth. There's only so much she can do in her weakened body, yet people give her shit for it.
No one gave shit to Meliodas in his weakened state vs Galan first round since we all know he wasn't at his most powerful and its not fair to criticise him as weak for it.
But with Elizabeth? ''LYNCH HER. WEAK AF LOLOLOL''
Just one example of how the Anti-Elizabeth squad plays favourites and exceptions in their arguments.
A) The plot demands for her to be rescued. For example, this whole Estarossa kidnapping her situation is just so Nakaba can set up Heaven's Theatre and this whole ''Estarossa is Mael'' arc.
B) She's in a weakened body. She has limitations of what she can achieve individually. If Meliodas at 3k got captured by Galan, would everybody criticise him for that? Of course not, because its Meliodas and we play favourites. But if a weakened Elizabeth gets captured? She's criticised heavily for it.
C) Elizabeth's pacifist nature is her detriment. Estarossa's darkness was about to consume her, but she's more concerned about helping him than trying to defend herself.
She proved she could beat Low Level commandmnets like Mera by herself, when she purified her without difficulty. That is her greatest feat she accomplished alone.
Her greatest feat as a human is being able to slap a passive 142k demon and bruise him. That achievement in a weakened form/body, is pretty impressive, and the whole ''lol comedy effect'' makes no sense, since:
A) Where's the comedy in this moment? Which page should make me laugh or find it amusing?
B) Its a serious and defining moment for both Meliodas and Elizabeth. Character development is comedy effect now lol?
No it's not. Nakaba said: Goddess wings = power (PL)
The Anti-Elizabeth squad keeps dismissing the one fact that FACTUALLY ESTABLISHES HER POWER IN THE GODDESS CLAN.
The Fact that she has 4 wings which happen to be larger and longer than Sariel's and Ludoshel's. (well Ludoshel's is debatable and harder to tell, so agree to disagree if you don't agree with me) states that her power MUST be at a minimum AA tier.
She's AA tier based on her wings. Besides Mael, Elizabeth, Ludoshel, Sariel & Tarmiel: No other Goddess has shown the heritage of having 4 Goddess wings.
Jelamet? Nerobasta? The Druid Twins? They only had 2 wings = low-tier.
At a minimum. She's AA tier, and that's ignoring her royal heritage and how the AA's treat her as a superior.
Of course she is. Because people don't take a pacifist seriously.
And this fandom reeks of being biased for Meliodas. None of them want someone who's an equal or a close threat to their favourite and beloved character.
What's stupid is some people are using elizabeth being hurt as some sort of example that she is not strong. When we have already seen Elizabeth as a glass canon type. Her magic is likely 90% of her power, that doesn't mean she isn't strong. Nobody says Merlin or King aint strong for not being able to take direct hits
What's stupid is some people are using elizabeth being hurt as some sort of example that she is not strong. When we have already seen Elizabeth as a glass canon type. Her magic is likely 90% of her power, that doesn't mean she isn't strong. Nobody says Merlin or King aint strong for not being able to take direct hits
Here is the difference, Elizabeth is not a Fairy or what Merlin is, she is a Goddess. All the Goddesses are very durable, just like Demons. Even among Demons, people who specialize in magic like Merascylla are extremely durable. Fraudrin, who is not even TC tier even taking Meliodas's rage blast. When a Goddess loses consciousness like that after a single punch, you can't help but raise an eyebrow. It is my case at least, Sariel and Tarmiel are magic powerhouses too and yet they are durable and regenerate quickly. Defensively Goddesses are undeniably superior to Demons, why would Elizabeth be different?
Are they all durable? I mean mael wasnt originally. Nerobasta got one shot by Derieri, ect. I don't think we've ever had confirmation of any sort of "durability", outside of the absolute top tier of the archangels, which IMO is an unfair barometer to begin with.
What we know is that Elizabeth's magic as been made a big deal of by her goddess peers and we've seen it do extremely powerful things, but we know that her physical strength even when accessing her powers has been low, since it was first recorded.
Fraudrin's numbers? Why does his matter? His strength takes up a large port of his power along with spirit right? So why would...his durability not factor into that?
Are they all durable? I mean mael wasnt originally. Nerobasta got one shot by Derieri, ect. I don't think we've ever had confirmation of any sort of "durability", outside of the absolute top tier of the archangels, which IMO is an unfair barometer to begin with.
What we know is that Elizabeth's magic as been made a big deal of by her goddess peers and we've seen it do extremely powerful things, but we know that her physical strength even when accessing her powers has been low, since it was first recorded.
Fraudrin's numbers? Why does his matter? His strength takes up a large port of his power along with spirit right? So why would...his durability not factor into that?
We don't know how durable Mael was, we know he was a weakling. Nerobasta is not in the same league as Derrierie and the latter killed her in one blow by destroying the upper half of her body and powering up.
Why is it unfair to compare Elizabeth to the Archangels when people claim she is at their level? Sariel and Tarmiel are undoubtedly magic powerhouses, they took the Hellblaze from Indura Monspiet, they were alive, without healing. They took other physical blows, they were alive and conscious.
Strength=/= Durability. I mentioned Merascylla for that reason. Monspiet too is a magic-oriented fighter, he is pretty durable.
Fairies are the ones who are fragile, Goddesses, Demons and Giants are not.
So, for me, Elizabeth, the daughter of the SD, being a glass cannon doesn't make sense if people put her at the same level as these Goddess powerhouses.
We don't know how durable Mael was, we know he was a weakling. Nerobasta is not in the same league as Derrierie and the latter killed her in one blow by destroying the upper half of her body and powering up.
Why is it unfair to compare Elizabeth to the Archangels when people claim she is at their level? Sariel and Tarmiel are undoubtedly magic powerhouses, they took the Hellblaze from Indura Monspiet, they were alive, without healing. They took other physical blows, they were alive and conscious.
Strength=/= Durability. I mentioned Merascylla for that reason. Monspiet too is a magic-oriented fighter, he is pretty durable.
Fairies are the ones who are fragile, Goddesses, Demons and Giants are not.
I'm not sure how i should respond. What I'm saying is, why does Elizabeth being a glass canon in her case specifically mean she is not strong in battle? As i said, i am recognizing that she got knocked out by Derieri hitting her and that she has been choked out by Estarossa before getting herself free. How do the points you are making regarding the other Archangels with their own weaknesses and strengths tie into the argument i am making that her powers are very strong on their own.
On the topic of Melascula, didn't Mela get her head twisted around by base beginning of series ban and fox hunted several times? I dont see where her durability comes from exactly like you claim, as she seemed to be taken out like a normal human on her own if not for her darkness defenses saving her from time to time, only the fact that ban had not taken all of her hearts is what saved her that time.
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On the topic of elizabeth's durability specifically. The fact that she has such healing abilities for everyone else, and has been recorded as healing herself seems to me that if she sees an attack coming and is hit, her recovery magic is much more potent in that case than if she is snuck up on and knocked unconscious just as an example which is what happened with Derieri.
I'm not sure how i should respond. What I'm saying is, why does Elizabeth being a glass canon in her case specifically mean she is not strong in battle? As i said, i am recognizing that she got knocked out by Derieri hitting her and that she has been choked out by Estarossa before getting herself free. How do the points you are making regarding the other Archangels with their own weaknesses and strengths tie into the argument i am making that her powers are very strong on their own.
On the topic of Melascula, didn't Mela get her head twisted around by base beginning of series ban and fox hunted several times? I dont see where her durability comes from exactly like you claim, as she seemed to be taken out like a normal human on her own if not for her darkness defenses saving her from time to time, only the fact that ban had not taken all of her hearts is what saved her that time.
Personally, I am not saying that she is weak. I am saying that she is not at the level of the AAs or strongest Commandments. Considering her race, she should not really be a glass cannon since Goddesses are durable.
Merascylla survived after swallowing Escanor's soul. When Ban got her with Fox Hunt, Galan was there as well and he was still powered up by Hunter Fest. As for the moment at Vaizel, he broke her neck by surprise and put his hand inside to snatch her hearts. That kind of move is different from a punch, a kick or a direct discharge of magic energy.
I mean Gloxinia's entire PL is compromised of magic and spirit.
He has 0 Strength - yet his durability, speed, reaction speed and everything else isn't fodder tier. I mean he kept up with Pre-purgatory Meliodas and survived a cruel sun the strength of Estarossa (apparently).
So why does everyone accept Elizabeth being ''one shot KO'' as proof of her strength? Clearly she was off-guard and Nakaba wanted to force a way for her to leave the situation to let the AA's and 10C's fight.
So to me, Elizabeth should be a Gloxinia-type of character (almost all magic) but should have some decent or good strength - its just that she hasn't had many situations to express it, and the only situation she was ever in as a Goddess (and was physically attacked) Nakaba ended up using for dramatic effect lol.
Elie being knocked out with a cheap shot as she is offguard from ludociel basically coming out of nowhere and painting her as a liar biding the goddesses time to kill the women and children should not count to what her abilities are IMO. All it proves as that she can be knocked out if someone of derieri's caliber hits her with a cheap shot while she's not attempting to counter.
Elie being knocked out with a cheap shot as she is offguard from ludociel basically coming out of nowhere and painting her as a liar biding the goddesses time to kill the women and children should not count to what her abilities are IMO.
Exactly. No one takes the ''Elizabeth Slap Meliodas'' too serious because we all know it doesn't represent his true power or what would happen in an actual fight.
But with Elizabeth, apparently its all we need to conclude how physically strong she is? ?
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