Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2018] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[Xzone]

was it merely because it came out at the right time? maybe, luck always play a factor in a series chances of survival, would MHA survive for as long as it did IF it came out a bit earlier when Naruto and other big names were still present , would BC even manage to break U19 club if Bleach is still running and popular at the same time? we have no way to actually know because these are what if.

BC start when bleach was ending, like MHA started when Naruto was ending.

And again, the fact that it sold more than Black Clover does not mean ANYTHING.

Post a proof , then?

Quality does not mean popularity.

Black Clover was mediocre in all, storytelling, characters, fights etc. Yet despite all this it was the 15th best-selling manga of 2017 and is still remembered in the future

So the Jump rightly gives it space.

As you see, we can say the same with BC.

Well it is time for Amano to think about what's next now that elDLIVE is deep in the final season.

I doubt it will serialize because she's sorta old and Fujimaki's Robot is not a good incentive to begin a spokon in Jump right now.

 

[SharkBait]

Black Clover:5.800.000 print (not done yet)

Source https://okachi.fr/mangas/tableau-tirage/


BC still has ways to go.

5.8 is the bare minimum though as there is no indication that that number is both print/digital. So its significantly higher than 5.8.

 

[Franz]

Post a proof , then?

Other times. Other modes.

Ten years ago there was not so much interference in digital sales, the manga sold more and so even a Reborn could reach 20 million.

Now it is difficult unless you know a success as a subiot like My Hero or Neverland.

Were released today manga as Reborn or Toriko would be in the bundles of the average as BC, Soma, Kimetsu etc.

As you see, we can say the same with BC.

At least BC started immediately as a Battle Shonen, and it is clear that the author immediately has clear ideas unlike the Amano ....

 

[Mori takai]

Ah.

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Quality does not mean popularity.

Reborn was mediocre in all, storytelling, characters, fights etc. Yet despite all this it was the fourth best-selling manga of 2008 and is still remembered today.

So the Jump rightly gives it space.

again tho that's all subjective which is okay for you to have that's like me saying I find BC mediocre heck one of the reasons I haven't read the manga is that in my opinion that art for that is straight up ugly and that its pretty much a Naruto clone all things MHA isn't

but the Fact is Reborn was ( japan still treating it like it is with other series that have their own room) Popular and you gonna have to accept that I'm sorry if you sad about why BC is not getting the treatment it should I would suggest taking that up with shueisha because from where I'm standing and actually experiencing Pushing BC isn't their Top Priority again I'm sorry. now its getting let and I need to wake up early good night. ( its like
7:06 p.m over here )

 

[MangAniMY]

Er, why ?

kinda not fair for me to say this since I do these a lot too, but your typos kinda make me lost at why you are trying to actually say,

it took multiple readings for me to figure out what the original words are actually suppose to be,

 

[Franz]

ut the Fact is Reborn was ( japan still treating it like it is with other series that have their own room) Popular and you gonna have to accept that

This again:

Who is denying it?

Do you list my posts where I say that Reborn is not popular?

Thank you.

 

[Mankichi Togawa]

About Reborn, what still gets me annoyed is that the name of the Earth flame of the guy who beat Yamamoto never was revealed.

About Black Clover popularity, I think its popularity has increased a lot these last months. Still, Black Clover is for example the only manga Yonkou deliberately avoids to give any info (at least that's the impression I have). The dark legend it had is still strong.

More in-depth stuff:
-Yonkou always gives info about HeroAca, Neverland, Dr.Stone, etc new volumes and their covers. He doesn't do that for Black Clover.
-Yonkou always gives anime info about all Jump titles...except Black Clover.
-Yonkou always gives videogames info about all Jump titles...except Black Clover.
-Yonkou is always selling manga titles in a ''commercial'' way, but Black Clover is totally ignored, like if it didn't even exist.

It's little stuff, but that influences in Black Clover view for people, since they don't get informed and still think is a bad manga.

I think Black Clover would gain popularity if it gets the same treatment as other Jump titles.


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About Reborn popularity, I'm surprised both Reborn AND D.Gray-man got rooms, while Shokugeki didn't (I think Shokugeki is more popular). But then I saw sales number, and Reborn was like the 23th most sold Jump manga (only top-40 titles which didn't get its own room were Dragon Quest Dai no Daiboken, Cobra, and for some bizarre reason, Sakigake Otokojuku. Also, Katsura not getting a room + interview in exhibition 2 for I's and Video Girl Ai, while Sexy Commando getting both is still the most strange thing in these 3 exhibitions).

 

[Franz]

As you see, we can say the same with BC.

Too bad the post refers to the fact that Reborn had a room inside the exhibition ...

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I think Black Clover would gain popularity if it gets the same treatment as other Jump titles.

But here too.

No one has yet opened a spoiler topic for chapter 167.

 

[Mori takai]

Mankichi Togawa For your question regarding Kaoru Mizuno the Bunko website lists all flame types and his was the River just thought I would give you heads up.

 

[CuriousReborn]

More in-depth stuff:
-Yonkou always gives info about HeroAca, Neverland, Dr.Stone, etc new volumes and their covers. He doesn't do that for Black Clover.
-Yonkou always gives anime info about all Jump titles...except Black Clover.
-Yonkou always gives videogames info about all Jump titles...except Black Clover.
-Yonkou is always selling manga titles in a ''commercial'' way, but Black Clover is totally ignored, like if it didn't even exist.

It's little stuff, but that influences in Black Clover view for people, since they don't get informed and still think is a bad manga.

I think Black Clover would gain popularity if it gets the same treatment as other Jump titles.

It wont matter though since it doesn't effects it performance in Japan.

 

[Mankichi Togawa]

Mankichi Togawa For your question regarding Kaoru Mizuno the Bunko website lists all flame types and his was the River just thought I would give you heads up.

Official Reborn website? Didn't know about Bunko website, dunno how official is that. I searched Wikis and all sites, and it was or Unofficial or ''theory, it can be ocean'').

I say this 8 years later, would prefered Ocean to River (more ''Earth''), but River is also a good flame that complements well with Yamamoto's Rain.

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It wont matter though since it doesn't effects it performance in Japan.

But it can effect performance in West. It's a little stuff, but I think it can matter in West audience oddly.

 

[Xzone]

Other times. Other modes.

That's not a proof.
Post a link with japanese franchise's sales and show that BC sells better or the same

Ten years ago there was not so much interference in digital sales, the manga sold more and so even a Reborn could reach 20 million.

Neither is a proof, you know that people can buy reborn volume digitally, right?

Now it is difficult unless you know a success as a subiot like My Hero or Neverland..

The same happen before , they're years with few series success, sometimes we have a MX0, Usagi or Psyren that surprisingly past 5 volume...

Were released today manga as Reborn or Toriko would be in the bundles of the average as BC, Soma, Kimetsu etc.

No, because back then we have series like medaka , beelzebub, muhyo, Neuro... who was Souma level at best.

At least BC started immediately as a Battle Shonen, and it is clear that the author immediately has clear ideas unlike the Amano ....

Not an argument. Are you implying that Dragon ball is mediocre and worse than BC because the same reason?

 

[Mori takai]

Official Reborn website? I searched Wikis and all sites, and it was or Unofficial or ''theory, it can be ocean'').

I say this 8 years later, would prefered Ocean to River (more ''Earth''), but River is also a good flame that complements well with Yamamoto's Rain.

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y.

Bunko Volumes are the editions jump gives to their popular titles JoJo has them too http://comic-bunko.shueisha.co.jp/plan/reborn/ here you go I get what you mean but Ocean was already taken with the whole Mara rings thing ( unless sea and Ocean are not the same thing ?)

sorry I really gotta go now good night.

 

[Franz]

That's not a proof.
Post a link with japanese franchise's sales and show that BC sells better or the same

Difficult to say since we are talking about a manga that lasted 8 years, one that is in its third year of life .....

Neither is a proof, you know that people can buy reborn volume digitally, right?

Er, what's that got to do with it?

The same happen before , they're years with few series success,

And so?

You only confirm what I say.

There are some manga that are immediate successes, and others are not ....

No, because back then we have series like medaka , beelzebub, muhyo, Neuro... who was Souma level at best.

They too would fall under the average area.

Not an argument. Are you implying that Dragon ball is mediocre and worse than BC because the same reason?

Here we speak of personal opinions, not of popularity.

 

[ChocoBar9]

More in-depth stuff:
-Yonkou always gives info about HeroAca, Neverland, Dr.Stone, etc new volumes and their covers. He doesn't do that for Black Clover.
-Yonkou always gives anime info about all Jump titles...except Black Clover.
-Yonkou always gives videogames info about all Jump titles...except Black Clover.
-Yonkou is always selling manga titles in a ''commercial'' way, but Black Clover is totally ignored, like if it didn't even exist.

It's little stuff, but that influences in Black Clover view for people, since they don't get informed and still think is a bad manga.

I think Black Clover would gain popularity if it gets the same treatment as other Jump titles.

He doesn't have to cover Black Clover if he doesn't want to its his channel, especially when there's no actual demand for it, besides there's already a Black Clover shill on the net he's called Forverworld.

 

[Xzone]

He doesn't have to cover Black Clover if he doesn't want to its his channel, especially when there's no actual demand for it, besides there's already a Black Clover shill on the net he's called Forverworld.

Also some people begin to like BC when 4chan begin to shitpost about it (most of them where doing it ironically, lol)

Difficult to say since we are talking about a manga that lasted 8 years, one that is in its third year of life .....

So you have no proof to back your claim and yet you go with it after all those months quoting post about BC (some of them obvious jokes) and saying "where's the proof?"? ayyy

And so?

You only confirm what I say.

There are some manga that are immediate successes, and others are not ....

No, you are saying like 100 different things to excuse yourself because you say something incorrect 4 page ago.
We don't care, but stop trying to make it like you were always right about BC, it's sad at this point.

They too would fall under the average area.

Or they will be selling better than BC.
That's the problem of all your argument, you're making up thing to make BC looks better than Reborn or Toriko but we can say the same, maybe 2018 people would prefer medaka than BC and BC be overshadow with it.
Don't play the guru, or at least post evidence...

Here we speak of personal opinions, not of popularity.

You say "At least BC started immediately as a Battle Shonen, and it is clear that the author immediately has clear ideas unlike the Amano ...." and know you say "it's personal opinion"?

If you want to bait do it right, dude...

 

[101nemesis]

Man, I love how people quickly ask for facts and figures when you make an argument but they just blatantly throw out words like "digital sales" every single statement without said facts or figures just to support a series they like.

If anyone thinks that BC is even close to the success of Toriko or Reborn, then I'd advise them to go and study the sales peak of those two, the pattern of growth they experienced and franchise that was built around those two series.
Also downplaying an older series success by stating the times were easier then is a ridiculous thing to do. The market might be changing but selling 600-700k was still as huge back then as it is right now.

And I'm gonna say this again because apparently people cannot understand. The news about digital sales overtaking physical sales was generalised over the entire industry. We do not know which demographic contributes to this, which series sells how much, is the digital sales pattern for every volume of a series consistent or would it fluctuate a lot because the market is just developing etc. None of you can answer those questions. So stop throwing out "digital sales" as an argument because you've got nothing but a generalised statement over the entire industry in your "facts and proof" pocket.

 

[cody]

I guess we won't be seing a PV anytime soon... They could reveal the studio and the staff sooner though...

 

[Franz]

So you have no proof to back your claim and yet you go with it after all those months quoting post about BC (some of them obvious jokes)

Ah, were they jokes?

Usually the jokes make you laugh .....

No, you are saying like 100 different things to excuse yourself because you say something incorrect 4 page ago.

And what, if I allowed myself to know?

Or they will be selling better than BC.

I can overthrow you, if BC were debuted ten years ago, maybe he would have sold as much as Reborn and by the standard of the era would have been considered in the middle band ....

You say "At least BC started immediately as a Battle Shonen, and it is clear that the author immediately has clear ideas unlike the Amano ...." and know you say "it's personal opinion"?

Because it is not a personal opinion, but a fact that the genre of Reborn is due to external pressures.

 

[Xzone]

I guess we won't be seing a PV anytime soon... They could reveal the studio and the staff sooner though...

the staff wasn't revealed yet?
I tought it was.