Discussion Meliodas' Original Magic Power

[HereNThere]

Reactor" could simply have been another aspect of Godspeed, its not like how it actually worked was ever detailed, though King's speculation on it implies as much

Reactor is what they called knights who were given Demon blood.

That being said, I forgot about that scene you posted. Doesn't make sense to me given Godspeed's focus is on, well, speed and not time dilation, but I can't argue against that panel.

I brought up Hendy's lack of Hellblaze because, to me, it shows Nakaba going out if his way to not pit Ban against someone who could actually harm him, just so he could justify Mel’s "speciainess".

So, despite me being off on the Jericho thing, I still think Mel's attack on Ban is going to be retconned into his unique magic.

 

[BurlapJack]

Reactor is what they called knights who were given Demon blood.

That being said, I forgot about that scene you posted. Doesn't make sense to me given Godspeed's focus is on, well, speed and not time dilation, but I can't argue against that panel.

I brought up Hendy's lack of Hellblaze because, to me, it shows Nakaba going out if his way to not pit Ban against someone who could actually harm him, just so he could justify Mel’s "speciainess".

So, despite me being off on the Jericho thing, I still think Mel's attack on Ban is going to be retconned into his unique magic.

Wait but wouldn't that ability make him leave the mortal world if he activated it?

 

[Seven777]

Reactor is what they called knights who were given Demon blood.

That being said, I forgot about that scene you posted. Doesn't make sense to me given Godspeed's focus is on, well, speed and not time dilation, but I can't argue against that panel.

I brought up Hendy's lack of Hellblaze because, to me, it shows Nakaba going out if his way to not pit Ban against someone who could actually harm him, just so he could justify Mel’s "speciainess".

So, despite me being off on the Jericho thing, I still think Mel's attack on Ban is going to be retconned into his unique magic.

I dont know if i'd say Nakaba went out of his way to prevent it, he certainly didnt hesitate to have Ban get hit by Hendricksons other demonic abilities, like magically erasing his torso or impaling him with darkness, and Mel's not really "special" if other people can do what he did. But anyway, thats pretty much all i've got to say, for me its just easier to believe that Nakaba wanted to portray Meliodas as special rather than the entire demon race, especially since the original demon Ban fought, the Red Demon, couldnt leave a scar on him despite leaving him all bloodied up afterwards, not to mention Hendrickson, the final boss of the arc, being unable to do anything to Ban with his demon attacks either.

 

[HereNThere]

Wait but wouldn't that ability make him leave the mortal world if he activated it?

That's what he said, although we don't know the specifics just yet. Maybe it involves his constant use or maybe it'll be a countdown until he has to vacate the dimension. I doubt he'll up and disappear instantly.

I dont know if i'd say Nakaba went out of his way to prevent it, he certainly didnt hesitate to have Ban get hit by Hendricksons other demonic abilities, like magically erasing his torso or impaling him with darkness, and Mel's not really "special" if other people can do what he did. But anyway, thats pretty much all i've got to say, for me its just easier to believe that Nakaba wanted to portray Meliodas as special rather than the entire demon race, especially since the original demon Ban fought, the Red Demon, couldnt leave a scar on him despite leaving him all bloodied up afterwards, not to mention Hendrickson, the final boss of the arc, being unable to do anything to Ban with his demon attacks either.

I'll end with this then. I think it was a glaring omission for Hendy not to use Hellblaze after his initial use, especially when we know it's capable of.

Also, Hendy, Zel, and Mael remove the specialness of the feat, since they all know it. However, the series continues to paint Mel's feat as impressive as we saw recently in the Purgatory chapters. I feel it's setting up shifting that feat towards Mel's unique magic.

 

[sobreno]

Actually, I don't think that Meliodas ever used his true Original magic power in the mortal world.

It is stated that he was afraid of it, even TC Mel never used it.

 

[Tristan]

Guess what? The concept of "destruction" has always been ascribed to the symbol of Ouroboros ... but not it alone! There is always a reference to the infinite cycle of Nature's endless Destruction and Creation ... a sort of the "unity of opposites". Check this:

Spoiler

And if you go to this page about the embodiment of Creation of Destruction, in the limitations section you'll find this: "If users of this power do not know how to control it then they could wipe out entire universes and possibly all of existence." which fits PERFECTLY with the repercussion of Meliodas' OG Magic. In a way similar to Jean Grey with the Phoenix Force (Marvel Comics).

 

[sobreno]

Guess what? The concept of "destruction" has always been ascribed to the symbol of Ouroboros ... but not it alone! There is always a reference to the infinite cycle of Nature's endless Destruction and Creation ... a sort of the "unity of opposites". Check this:

Spoiler

And if you go to this page about the embodiment of Creation of Destruction, in the limitations section you'll find this: "If users of this power do not know how to control it then they could wipe out entire universes and possibly all of existence." which fits PERFECTLY with the repercussion of Meliodas' OG Magic. In a way similar to Jean Grey with the Phoenix Force (Marvel Comics).

Damn, it fit perfectly lol.

 

[Tristan]

It this Ouroboros Theory turns out to be the case, then I won't be surprised if Meliodas heals those immortal scars on Ban by "re-creating" the lost skin in those parts of his body. He may eventually recreate his Dad's arm as well.

 

[Seven777]

Probably not the right thread, but my overall point relates so i'll chuck it here.

The fact that you legit ignored my call out on your argument makes your argument repetitive as fuck. So let me rephrase what i said since you didn't get it... Characters in all shounen series that also includes NNT has the capability of controlling the amount of power they put into. The fact that i already rebuttal'd your argument using the intelligence of meliodas towards zeldris having the DKs power since zeldris even back 3000 years always has the borrowed power. Heck i already gave several factual arguments within the panel estarossa was merely a fly to meliodas at that sequence AND actually cared more about zeldris. The fact that i gave so many debunks on your claim shows the ideal of your argument being circulatory.

So thats a no on not being an asshole? Gotcha.
Sure, characters can control their power, so what? He hit Zeldris with the same power he hit Estarossa with, Estarossa could struggle more.
Sure, he cared more about Zeldris, never denied that.
Ha, you and your "debunks" i forgot about that lol.

HECK IF U WANNA GET DEBUNK FURTHER meliodas even said he overestimated the magic ability since he thought it would be a conclusion to where he would break the curse. THIS shows your repetitive argument is nothing but a flawed reasoning to justify the factual scenes in the chapter.

Just means that it wont give him the power to lift the curse, not surprising. Do you think that the DK's power gives Zel a higher PL?

I will repeat then:

Lol at Cruel Sun being even close, his Darkness at that specific moment overcomes the DK power which was stated to be " impossible " by Zeldoris himself.

You also conveniently ignores that he was more focused on Zeldoris than Estarossa, after Estarossa tried to do something, he noticed him and put him down casually.

More like lol at your downplay despite clear showing.

Why? The Cruel Sun sent both Zel and Estarossa flying for miles and neither could do anything about it, better than smacking them into the floor.
Mel's Darkness completely bypassed the DK's power, Mel probably used his original magic to do it
Didnt ignore it, you just didnt mention it. Mel hit both with the same attack, Estarossa could struggle more, so he put him down.

 

[sobreno]

Probably not the right thread, but my overall point relates so i'll chuck it here.

So thats a no on not being an asshole? Gotcha.
Sure, characters can control their power, so what? He hit Zeldris with the same power he hit Estarossa with, Estarossa could struggle more.
Sure, he cared more about Zeldris, never denied that.
Ha, you and your "debunks" i forgot about that lol.

Just means that it wont give him the power to lift the curse, not surprising. Do you think that the DK's power gives Zel a higher PL?

Why? The Cruel Sun sent both Zel and Estarossa flying for miles and neither could do anything about it, better than smacking them into the floor.
Mel's Darkness completely bypassed the DK's power, Mel probably used his original magic to do it
Didnt ignore it, you just didnt mention it. Mel hit both with the same attack, Estarossa could struggle more, so he put him down.

You realize that it is impossible for Mel to use his Original magic in that moment? It has the capability to " destroy " and once activated, he cannot stay into the mortal realm because of how ridiculously powerful it is.

Lol at Meliodas using an ability that he is scared of.

It was just his Darkness demonic power, he overcomes the DK power of Zeldoris and add gravity effect on it to crush them casually on the ground.

Cruel Sun just push them back and Estarossa was the only victim, it didn't do shit on Zeldoris.
Lol at that attack being better than Meliodas's darkness and you are the one who is talking about wank here, the irony.

 

[Seven777]

You realize that it is impossible for Mel to use his Original magic in that moment? It has the capability to " destroy " and once activated, he cannot stay into the mortal realm because of how ridiculously powerful it is.

Lol at Meliodas using an ability that he is scared of.

It was just his Darkness demonic power, he overcomes the DK power of Zeldoris and add gravity effect on it to crush them casually on the ground.

Cruel Sun just push them back and Estarossa was the only victim, it didn't do shit on Zeldoris.
Lol at that attack being better than Meliodas's darkness and you are the one who is talking about wank here, the irony.

You realize nothing is impossible until its actual effects are revealed? The capability to destroy was never stated to be its primary function, the DK just says Meliodas is a destroyer, which he is, remember when he blew up a kingdom?

Why would the Assault Meliodas who feels nothing, be scared of his magic? Especially when he is already planning on leaving Britannia.

Sure, and Mel's magic only pushed them into the floor, with neither being any sort of victim

 

[sobreno]

You realize nothing is impossible until its actual effects are revealed? The capability to destroy was never stated to be its primary function, the DK just says Meliodas is a destroyer, which he is, remember when he blew up a kingdom?

Why would the Assault Meliodas who feels nothing, be scared of his magic? Especially when he is already planning on leaving Britannia.

Sure, and Mel's magic only pushed them into the floor, with neither being any sort of victim

Because he revealed that if he activates it, he cannot remains to the mortal realm, a point that you conveniently miss.

Meliodas is scared of that ability, evil or not, he never used it in the past, he was known for Full counter as his magic power and nothing else.

It has the capacity to " destroy ", the DK literally said that his power can " destroy " his body.
Something again stated to be impossible by him.
Which align to him calling Meliodas, the Destroyer.
His Darkness power and his Original innate magic power are two different things. Dude, you don't even know the basic?

Lmao, Elizabeth literally saved them, they were crushed and screaming in pain.
Dude, you seriously like to downplay Meliodas's darkness.

 

[Seven777]

Because he revealed that if he activates it, he cannot remains to the mortal realm, a point that you conveniently miss.

Meliodas is scared of that ability, evil or not, he never used it in the past, he was known for Full counter as his magic power and nothing else.

It has the capacity to " destroy ", the DK literally said that his power can " destroy " his body.
Something again stated to be impossible by him.
Which align to him calling Meliodas, the Destroyer.

Lmao, Elizabeth literally saved them, they were crushed and screaming in pain.
Dude, you seriously like to downplay Meliodas's darkness.

Except AM Meliodas is already planning to leave the mortal realm, or did you miss that?

Except AM Meliodas isnt evil, he just doesnt feel anything, as he said to Elizabeth

That doesnt mean destroying is its primary function though, let alone its only function.

And then jumped up like nothing happened, Estarossa literally laughed it off

 

[sobreno]

Except AM Meliodas is already planning to leave the mortal realm, or did you miss that?

Except AM Meliodas isnt evil, he just doesnt feel anything, as he said to Elizabeth

That doesnt mean destroying is its primary function though.

And then jumped up like nothing happened, Estarossa literally laughed it off

You also missed that he is scared of his own ability lmao.

That is the difference here which is huge because the DK said:
" It is impossible for you to use your Original power because you are afraid. "

Meliodas confirmed it after " destroying " his arm with his Original power awakened.

That is because it was a restraining technique and a crushing one.
He can easily recover since Meliodas didn't intend to kill them unlike a certain Cruel Sun.

 

[Seven777]

You also missed that he is scared of his own ability lmao.

That is the difference here which is huge because the DK said:
" It is impossible for you to use your Original power because you are afraid. "

Meliodas confirmed it after " destroying " his arm with his Original power awakened.

That is because it was a restraining technique and a crushing one.
He can easily recover since Meliodas didn't intend to kill them unlike a certain Cruel Sun.

You missed that he feels nothing lmoa.

That was said to Emo Mel, who's girly and feels things

Doesnt confirm anything other than that it can destroy things

So? I'm not saying that AM Mel was weaker than Escanor back then, just that his Cruel Sun impressed me more.

 

[sobreno]

You missed that he feels nothing lmoa.

That was said to Emo Mel, who's girly and feels things

Doesnt confirm anything other than it can destroy things

So? I'm not saying that AM Mel was weaker than Escanor back then, just that his Cruel Sun impressed me more.

Lmao, you are in denial, Meliodas was scared of his own ability since the start.

Even during his reign as the leader of the DK, he never used it.

The proof that not even once he used it until the Purgatory chapter, he awakened to his original power, and the side effect along with it.
You are playing dumb on purpose at this point.

Cruel Sun didn't do what it was intended for, killing them which was what Escanor wanted.

However since the start, AM Mel's darkness was intended to restrain them on the ground, not killing them.

You failed at realizing that Mel obtained what he wanted from his technique and not Escanor's Cruel sun.

And you talk at being " impressed" lol.

 

[Seven777]

Lmao, you are in denial, Meliodas was scared of his own ability since the start.

Even during his reign as the leader of the DK, he never used it.

The proof that not even once he used it until the Purgatory chapter, he awakened to his original power, and the side effect along with it.
You are playing dumb on purpose at this point.

Cruel Sun didn't do what it was intended for, killing them which was what Escanor wanted.

However since the start, AM Mel's darkness was intended to restrain them on the ground, not killing them.

You failed at realizing that Mel obtained what he wanted from his technique and not Escanor's Cruel sun.

And you talk at being " impressed" lol.

Why would i be? Meliodas is already planning to leave the mortal world, so even if he could feel fear, which he cant, he would have no reason to be afraid of using his magic.

That was Emo Mel, AM Mel could have already awakened before then. And dont act like you actually know how his magic works, for all you know Mel couldve used it on Ban too, plenty of theories of that going around. How Meliodas' magic and its drawbacks work is a complete unknown.

No, you fail to understand my past comment, Escanor's intention didnt matter to me, neither did what Meliodas couldve done. Cruel Sun sending them both miles away is simply more impressive than smashing both into the floor, intent doesnt factor in, because i'm not comparing Meliodas and Escanor, just their attacks in those instances.

 

[sobreno]

Why would i be? Meliodas is already planning to leave the mortal world, so even if he could feel fear, which he cant, he would have no reason to be afraid of using his magic.

That was Emo Mel, AM Mel could have already awakened before then. And dont act like you actually know how his magic works, for all you know Mel couldve used it on Ban too, plenty of theories of that going around. How Meliodas' magic and its drawbacks work is a complete unknown.

No, you fail to understand my past comment, Escanor's intention didnt matter to me, neither did what Meliodas couldve done. Cruel Sun sending them both miles away is simply more impressive than smashing both into the floor, intent doesnt factor in, because i'm not comparing Meliodas and Escanor, just their attacks in those instances.

But he had which are still unknown to us. Pretty sure, it do more than just him being unable to stay into the living world.

He can't and you are assuming out of your own headcanon, it was confirmed that he was always scared to use that power, hence he learned Full Counter instead.
He always used Full Counter since the start. Ask yourself why he learned Full Counter instead of using his own Original power? Because of fear as noted by the manga already.

He can't used it before because if it was the case, he wouldn't be able to stay in the mortal Plane.

Yes, it did.
Their intentions matter because it is with intent that a technique is used.
Meliodas succeed whereas Escanor failed.
Meliodas was more impressive since he overcomes on top of succeed what he intended, the DK power of Zeldoris.
Feat noted to be impossible by the guy himself and he recalled what the DK said about Meliodas.

 

[Seven777]

But he had which are still unknown to us. Pretty sure, it do more than just him being unable to stay into the living world.

He can't and you are assuming out of your own headcanon, it was confirmed that he was always scared to use that power, hence he learned Full Counter instead.
He always used Full Counter since the start.

He can't used it before because if it was the case, he wouldn't be able to stay in the mortal Plane.

Yes, it did.
Their intentions matter because it is with intent that a technique is used.
Meliodas succeed whereas Escanor failed.
Meliodas was more impressive since he overcomes on top of succeed what he intended, the DK power of Zeldoris.
Feat noted to be impossible by the guy himself and he recalled what the DK said about Meliodas.

Maybe there are more drawbacks, maybe not, but with AM Meliodas ascending to DK status soon, i doubt he cares about whatever those drawbacks are. The only thing Meliodas has left is his promise to break the curse, he will accept any and all drawbacks to fulfill that promise.

He can, and nothing was confirmed, the DK never said Mel learned Full Counter specifically because he was afraid of his True Magic, and even if that was the case, it doesnt mean anything now because AM Meliodas no longer has anything to fear, nor is he even capable of it.

As far as we know, sure, but we know precious little, and there could and likely is exceptions to that rule. Ban bringing up his scars again in Purgatory is suspicious, so i wont rule out Mel using his true magic on him.

Dude, youre not hearing me, im saying the intentions dont matter TO ME, this is something i alone get to decide, feel free to disagree, but thats the way it is.

 

[sobreno]

Maybe there are more drawbacks, maybe not, but with AM Meliodas ascending to DK status soon, i doubt he cares about whatever those drawbacks are. The only thing Meliodas has left is his promise to break the curse, he will accept any and all drawbacks to fulfill that promise.

He can, and nothing was confirmed, the DK never said Mel learned Full Counter specifically because he was afraid of his True Magic, and even if that was the case, it doesnt mean anything now because AM Meliodas no longer has anything to fear, nor is he even capable of it.

As far as we know, sure, but we know precious little, and there could and likely is exceptions to that rule. Ban bringing up his scars again in Purgatory is suspicious, so i wont rule out Mel using his true magic on him.

Dude, youre not hearing me, im saying the intentions dont matter TO ME, this is something i alone get to decide, feel free to disagree, but thats the way it is.

He is stated to be scared about his power, how do you know that he isn't scared about it anymore? He never even used it once since the Purgatory chapter, you are full of headcanon that it is funny.

The drawback could be complete destruction, what is the point to save her if he will accidentally destroy her or the mortal Plane for example.

He cares about his little brother, cares for the sins and Arthur.

It is obvious that he learned Full Counter because he didn't want to use his Original power but you are in denial about it despite being revealed already that he is scared.

Show me where it is stated that AM Mel has any fear? He didn't used yet his Original power in case that you missed it.

Again, it is impossible that he used on Ban, for two reasons:
1) He wouldn't be able to be on the mortal realm.
2) He will never use an ability that he is afraid on Ban lmao.

You should know that it is pretty stupid to ignore the intent of the Character's move or attack.