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Who will be Sanji's main opponent during the Raid on Onigashima?


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What do you guys think about battle cuisine/Okama recepies?
They were introduced back in the training years but were only used once.

Sanji missed the opportunity to use one in the cake he made to big mom, it might have incapacitated her for longer or at least long enough so that she couldnt go back to where jimbe and the rest were at the end of the arc.

Now we see Sanji cooking ramen for the townsfolk and if he gets caught for kaido and his men. Do you think that he will use battle cuisine this time around against Kaido? Or is it only about buffs for his friends?
It could be an interesting power up for sanji if he puts some strenght and defense enhancing battle cuisine food in the suits pockets and eats one bite of say super strenght sushi before he attacks increasing his attack power trendemously.

As every power must come with limitations I say the effects of each battle sushi would last a few minutes and the more he uses one type repetedly in a short amount of time the less powerful the effect becomes
 

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I think those foods work over time strenghtening body when used as a diet and i have thought sanji constantly uses them when making food for the crew.

That (instant effects) sounds to me something more from a game.
I think its fair to believe that out of 99 recepies they all have different effects yes?
Your theory is good and it would be wise for sanji to secretly be powering up the crew but the name "attack cuisine" sounds like something a little more immediate.

Also the first (and last ) time we see Sanji using okama cuisine on Punk hazard the effects were activated right after eating it
 

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In my opinion zoro and sanji fights from different perspectives and zoros main position in the crew is first mate and swordsman so of course hes stronger and trains a lot more. In many casual scenes zoro is shown training when sanji is seen cooking, luffy toying with usopp, robin reading books etc.

Zoro seriously puts his honor as a swordman to line in each battle as sanji needs to be emotionally fired up like protecting someone (especially ladies) and does not necessarily fight to defeat the opponent. Zoro is also seen as a battle crazy person as sanji is maybe more of a tender type of a peace loving guy.

But what... What if sanji ends up liking okamas, stops running away from his destiny and just accepts it all...
Not how Oda been showcasing in chapters, he makes them equally match especially with King and Queen involvement now, if they are their final opponents , then Oda showing more why their equal.
 

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Not how Oda been showcasing in chapters, he makes them equally match especially with King and Queen involvement now, if they are their final opponents , then Oda showing more why their equal.
Not really, they have never been equal. Sanji will never be Supernova, that ship is sailed and to be equal to Zoro he had to be one.
 

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Not really, they have never been equal. Sanji will never be Supernova, that ship is sailed and to be equal to Zoro he had to be one.
Yeah they are, dude. Your living in denial if you do see Oda been doing lately.

Technically he is a Supernova and would have been one, but his bounty wasn't higher enough at the time which is reasonable cause Sanji joined later in the crew than Zoro who was already there. If they do fight those two, that justify it more which make sense since they are Monster Trio and Luffy's Yonko Commanders.
 

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Yeah they are, dude. Your living in denial if you do see Oda been doing lately.

Technically he is a Supernova and would have been one, but his bounty wasn't higher enough at the time which is reasonable cause Sanji joined later in the crew than Zoro who was already there. If they do fight those two, that justify it more which make sense since they are Monster Trio and Luffy's Yonko Commanders.
Yeah Sanji is Snack and Zoro is Katakuri, I agree on that but there are worlds in between Snack and Katakuri. :)
Supernova's are specific, 11 chosen names. Sanji's name is not among them. :)
 

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Yeah Sanji is Snack and Zoro is Katakuri, I agree on that but there are worlds in between Snack and Katakuri. :)
Supernova's are specific, 11 chosen names. Sanji's name is not among them. :)
More like Sanji is King and Zoro is Jack since durability him and Jack share, but sadly they "Dragdown" the crew especially Luffy and Law admits that about him and Kinemon upset he wrecking the plan.

Cause he came late to the party duh lol. He dangerous threat as him especially the family name he has now.
 

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I think Strawhats power ranking is currently like this:
Zoro>Luffy>Jinbe>Franky>Sanji>Chopper>Brook>Robin>Carrot>Nami>Usopp
On the other hand maybe Chopper's abilities are putting him ahead of Sanji as well but if we look realistically who isnt better than Sanji... Maybe only Usopp.
 

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Not how Oda been showcasing in chapters, he makes them equally match especially with King and Queen involvement now, if they are their final opponents , then Oda showing more why their equal.
Why are you so obsessed with sanji beeing equal to zoro in strenght?

Sanji is Sanji, Zoro is Zoro.

Sanji is weaker than Zoro and it's ok, it doesn't take anything away from him.
He is still an amazing and kind cook who can smell a super complex cake and reproduce it in mere hours even exceeding the original's taste all while chasing girls.

The direction that Oda decided to take for Sanji's character has been made clear in whole cake
 

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Why are you so obsessed with sanji beeing equal to zoro in strenght?

Sanji is Sanji, Zoro is Zoro.

Sanji is weaker than Zoro and it's ok, it doesn't take anything away from him.
He is still an amazing and kind cook who can smell a super complex cake and reproduce it in mere hours even exceeding the original's taste all while chasing girls.

The direction that Oda decided to take for Sanji's character has been made clear in whole cake
Nah, your misjudging like certain others do. He can be a cook and fighter. He always been that. WCI was showing that, but minority didn't understand compare majority.

Sanji and Zoro are equals like it or not and it showcase more over chapters cover pages and now their final opponents. If you think Sanji can't no longer fight, that is kinda dumb to say when spoilers just put him fighting next chapter.
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Carrot definetely higher and sanji. Bropably also brook.

Franky is not really strong in individual fights, more of a mass destruction type with all weapons and so. Do not remember seen haki use of him yet.

Thats why hes gonna utilize seastone in / after this arc.

Probably something like this: lyffi - zoro - sanji - jinbe - carrot - brook / franky - chopper / usopp - robin / nami.

Monster point definetely higher than usopp though.

Ppl tend to underestimate usopp, but lets face it he often has a big impact in a way or another and should be acknowledged as a brave warrior of the sea. In future devolopment if he learns to infuse his shots with haki, hes going to be dangerous as hes a character whos probably going to end up as the best sniper, a true sogekingk. 1000 shots, 1000 hits. Lock on.

Three big ones are definetely zoro, sanji, jinbe of the crew members.
Seeing how she fights, nah Carrot hardly pose a threat against them.
 

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@Isto Well, Jinbe's CoA is so strong that he took on a sword slash from weakened Yonko BM and didnt lose an arm and his fishman karate is on a completely different level than any other user. Imo, higher offense and higher defense than Sanji. Sanji would only win in speed.
Franky is almost a complete cyborg with reinforced body and steel arms, along with weapons and lasers. Same like Jinbe, better offense and defense and only loses in speed to Sanji.
Brook is a speedster swordsman with soul and music abilities who survived a 1vs1 with Big Mom and injured her hommie. Imo, better offense and speed than Sanji, maybe loses in defense.
Chopper with his DF utility can beat Sanji in every way and shape, whether its offense, defense or speed.
All that Robin has to do is grow pair of hands on Sanji and grab him and she wins.
Nami may be weaker but her offense outclasses Sanji by far.
Usopp loses in almost everything to Sanji but if his special attacks land on Sanji even he has a chance to beat him. He gave quite a fight vs Luffy in W7.
Carrot has electricity based attacks and quite a speed in her base form. In Su-long form she outclasses Sanji easily in every aspect.
No need to explain Zoro and Luffy as they are special type of monsters.
 
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More like Sanji is King and Zoro is Jack since durability him and Jack share, but sadly they "Dragdown" the crew especially Luffy and Law admits that about him and Kinemon upset he wrecking the plan.

Cause he came late to the party duh lol. He dangerous threat as him especially the family name he has now.
This is just pure hate for the character of zoro now. This is not even an argument, this is anger and frustration expressed into words.:neutral
 

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In shabody didnt sanji destroy a pacifista ?
Broke his neck and Zoro cut him, yes. His kicks are good, not doubt but other members are better and far more versatile.
Unless the raid suit pulls insane powerup he is going on the bottom to compete with Usopp. :XD
 

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Broke his neck and Zoro cut him, yes. His kicks are good, not doubt but other members are better and far more versatile.
Unless the raid suit pulls insane powerup he is going on the bottom to compete with Usopp. :XD
Nah, he prove in next chapter. Though Zoro definitely need swords to fight or he helpless unlike Sanji ;).
 

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ODa was an assistant to the author of rurouni kenshin .
The author was Nobuhiro Watsuki and one of his assistant was Eichiiro Oda.
Sometimes it goes unnoticed but Oda takes inspiration from Kenshin almost just as much as from Draonball, still Kenshin is a much lesser known manga, thus many little things goes unnoticed.
Near the beginning of the Jinchuu Arc of Rurouni Kenshin, Enishi tells Kenshin that he has ten large battleships (of the type deployed by Shishio in the previous arc) and threatens to use them to burn Tokyo to the ground if Kenshin backs out of their upcoming confrontation.


Now compare this with the infamous Buster Call

from One Piece, which is virtually the same thing.


It’s also entirely possible that this was intentional since Eiichiro Oda, author of One Piece, used to be Watsuki’s assistant before starting his own series.

rurouni kenshin took place during the meiji restoration which kenshins actions worked towards etc. and one of the things that led to the meiji restoration was opening japans borders and odens wish was to open the borders of wano country which represents japan(

The name is a pun, as “Wa no Kuni (和の国? literally meaning “Country of Harmony”)“ is used as a name for Japan.The fact that the swordsmen in this country are called "samurai” and its closed-door policy are also a reference to Japan in their Feudal era.)


opforum.net/threads/some-potential-insights-about-a-wano-arc.54085/
”

The Edo Period’s transition into the Meiji.

Without going into too much historical detail, here’s the jist of things. For hundreds (if not over a thousand) years Japan had remained completely isolated from the world, purposely. It defended its borders against the Chinese and the Mongols on a couple occasions, and became the isolated country that Oda seems to have alluded to within the One Piece world. There was a distinct pride about retaining Japanese as separate from the world.

For roughly 200 years Japan was within the “Edo Period” which was ruled by the Shoguns. Specifically, the Tokugawa Shogunate. Shoguns were de facto military leaders that ruled over thedaimyo (or feudal lords) and had power that was more material than the Emperor, who was just a figure head essentially. At the end of the era, there became a wave of change between the Shogunate and the Imperialists. The Imperialists were those who wanted to establish a new government, do away with the Feudal System, open its borders, and begin to interact with the world.

Thus the period of the Bakumatsu began. It was a war between the shogun’s army and the Imperialist Army. This civil war ended with the fall of the Shogun, and the Meiji Period then began. This new Meiji Era would be led by a single Emperor and the nation itself opened its ports to trade, commerce, and outside influence that would change the technology, habits, clothing, and lifestyle of the Japanese themselves.

The Isshin Shishi were the forces that fought to open the borders
As for the Imperials that helped to overthrow the Shogun, they were called the Imperialists and had a group known as the Ishin Shishi under them. Kenshin served the Ishin Shishi (and fought against the Shinsengumi, whom Saito was a member of, ). “
kenshin.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Ishin_Shishi
and kenshin himura was part of the ishin shishi
opforum.net/threads/chapter…iction-of-how-wanos-arc-might-be-setup.48759/
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Meiji Restoration Period in Japan:
The Meiji Restoration (明治維新 Meiji Ishin?), was a chain of events that restored practical imperial rule to Japan in 1868 under Emperor Meiji. The foundation of this was through an "Alliance” between two leaders( from Chōshū and Satsuma domains) and this alliance happened because of an historical figure called…wait for it….Ryōma often regarded as the “father of the Imperial Japanese Navy” (I do know our guy is called Ryūma but there must be some implication here by Oda, right?).“


and the bakumatsu
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakumatsu
it was basically a fight between the shogun side and the emperors side and the enemy in wano includes the shogun momonosuke means peach emperor


zoro has repeatedly stated in the series that he has wanted a fire sword and then kinemon has shown up with the fire sword technique and ability to cut fire
in rurouni kenshin shishio had a sword that was made in such a way that it could be called a fire sword and use fire techniques like combining a cut and flame or a fire tornado etc so the character who was based on shishio would also be able to use fire sword techniques and cut fire and be a better



and the futae no kiwami from kenshin sounds like one pieces hasshoken

kenshin.wikia.com/wiki/Futae_no_Kiwami

The Futae no Kiwami is a technique that focuses on allowing the full use of one’s strength and power to be fully utilized at its maximum output. Though its utilization can be used with all of the body, the use of it through extremities, especially the fist, is often the first part to start with when to be studied and mastered.

The Futae no Kiwami’s principle aspects come from understanding that all matter bears a level of resistance, and that a single blow’s impact is wasted upon meeting this resistance. From this, two blows are to be acted to fully transfer this impact. With the fist, the first blow, using the proximal interphalangeal joints of the hand, meets to absorb the object’s initial resistance. Then, with folding the hand immediately to switch over to the proximal phalanx knuckles, delivers the final strike to the weakened object; in addition, the two hits are to be delivered at nearly the same time, with a few milliseconds interval. The result is the complete destruction of the object, which has no more resistance to sustain itself and collapses into dust.

the futae no kiwami is a vibration attack which can produce shock waves from the double hit. just like how hasshoken is a vibration attack

onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Hasshoken

this fighting style allows the user to control vibrations around their limbs to generate shock waves . This shockwave is powerful enough to destroy a metal shield or defeat a strong man easily. Sai also claimed that these attacks are unblockable and reverberating, causing defenses to shatter

and given that sai knows it its quite possible that sanji can learn hasshoken in a reference to how sanosuke one of kenshins main group learn futae no kiwami ( and he can only do it in his arms ( well arm in his case) and is mainly a fist fighter sanji will only use hasshoken in his legs

and sanji had a habit of facing off against opponents with high defensive capabilities/defensive oriented fighters (or martial artists ) like pearl, jabura with his Tekkai Kenpo, a technique which allows him to move while using Tekkai, and throw powerful punches at his enemies while maintaining his defense, wanze with his ramen kenpo, and absalom with his modified body they all boasted of his awesomeness of their defensive capability but sanji broke through, and I am sure that oda would want his martial artist crew to become the ultimate defensive breaker in crew so it fits for Sanji to learn Hasshoken, another technique with vibrations that is used to penetrate defenses and armour and what not.

and he can combine hasshoken with diable jambe to form an even stronger attack and more fire
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Broke his neck and Zoro cut him, yes. His kicks are good, not doubt but other members are better and far more versatile.
Unless the raid suit pulls insane powerup he is going on the bottom to compete with Usopp. :XD
Are you for real here?
 

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Are you for real here?
Yes, the only thing keeping Sanji ahead of others is the past which portrayed him as one of the major combatants of the crew and his position in the monster trio. If we remove that plot armor and see Sanji's abilities realistically, what does he have to offer in combat that others cant? Nothing much, the offensive capabilities that other crew members possess are above Sanji's, imo.
It is true that he hasnt shown anything what he learned during time-skip and there is an ace in his sleeve in form of raid suit which will make him keep his position but from what we saw so far I am truly disappointed.
 

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Yes, the only thing keeping Sanji ahead of others is the past which portrayed him as one of the major combatants of the crew and his position in the monster trio. If we remove that plot armor and see Sanji's abilities realistically, what does he have to offer in combat that others cant? Nothing much, the offensive capabilities that other crew members possess are above Sanji's, imo.
It is true that he hasnt shown anything what he learned during time-skip and there is an ace in his sleeve in form of raid suit which will make him keep his position but from what we saw so far I am truly disappointed.
-HM got better portrayal than Jinbei's Secret Technique
-He outspeeded Vergo in head-on clash.
-Dodged his his attacks point blank-range, something Law failed to do.
-His DJ got complimented by DD while G2 attacks were labelled as weak by DD.
-One-shotted a Headliner
-Fought equally against Judge, same Judge that stalled Snack, a former sweetcommander, for several hours.
-Handled Daifuku while being massively distracted at the Tea Party
-Owned Oven on Cacao Island with DJ
-His no named non-DJ move easily blocked the slash of the oversized Genie

Overall, he was shown to be above the likes of Raisin, Sheepshead, Yonji, and the likes and around the same Ballpark as the Veterans/Elite Officers.

Nothing, really nothing changed in the PL of the SH.

Luffy and Zoro have still a 6/6 in strength, Sanji a 5/6, Chopper a 2/6, and Nami and Usopp a 1/6.

There's also countless portrayal that still puts him in the M3 despite you claiming/assuming the other SH are close to him.
 
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