Discussion Sanji Discussion Thread

[King Moe]

Ffs, read the 3 links i gave you before. Germa66 didnt even know that Zeff and Baratie existed at all. It was Tamago who gave them that information and gave them a picture of Zeff and stop making stuff up.

The pages keep saying chef who works at a restaurant in East Blue. That is the usual information that even WG knows, but so far the ones who spoke more and detail it was Vinsmokes and even have a picture of how Zeff looks. They said "We've have" leaning more to them than BM group did more research and information from what was given to them. So it shows more that Vinsmokes knew more than anyone else still.

Also you haven't answer my question. If Big Mom and her crew know that deep. Why haven't they act on it during Sanji's actions against them and after the arc? Why no crew member mention to his face especially when fighting him about Zeff and the others? That doesn't make sense no matter how you see it.

That means they don't know as much as your trying to insert. Meaning it was Vinsmokes holding all the cards of information and didn't tell them deeply about it.

Not saying they didn't have knowledge, Nik. I am saying their information wasn't as deep as The Vinsmokes is all.

You also didn't answer my other question and ignoring it. Please answer about sneak attacks whether you see them legit or not. Please pick a side.

 

[nik87]

@King Moe Look what Tamago holds in his other hand...

 

[King Moe]

@King Moe Look what Tamago holds in his other hand...

Hmmmm.....Now that's weird. Makes me think Tamaga could be withholding information then since still no BM pirates except him know. I admit my wrong then in this part, but not the other. So if you act out properly, answer my other question.

 

[King Moe]

Trolling level over 9000. Had enough for one day of searching counter proof for your made up arguments.

Nah, not made up. You didn't answer my question why Big Mom and her crew never act on it ?

I take win from my side if you don't want to answer them. Thanks for the friendly debate.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

When your not focus and dealing with saving your family yeah, yeah get push back. Shown in the scene. Its irrelevant since later on Sanji the larger version of Genie and block it. Takes away the argument on Daifuku can take him when Sanji wasn't focus on him. I already link the image in the post above.

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nope , he was focused. If he wasn't focused , he wouldn't even able to react to save pudding from daifuku attacks.
Your boy sanji lost there in the power clash.
Need proof that the genie was larger later on. Oda is also known for drawing character size wrongly too.

 

[Fox666]

IMHO we had a few hints that Daifuku is very powerfull, and a bit out of Sanji's league.

Capone described him (along with the Sweet Commanders) as a monster, while he didn't seem to take Sanji as a serious treat. Sanji was also overwhelmed by Daifuku at the party. And I was under the impression that Pedro was quite strong himself, and is not behind Sanji or Zoro. Nonetheless Pedro couldn't keep up with Oven or the 700 million worth Perosperos, who are supposed to be on Daifuku's league, right?

 

[King Moe]

IMHO we had a few hints that Daifuku is very powerfull, and a bit out of Sanji's league.

Capone described him (along with the Sweet Commanders) as a monster, while he didn't seem to take Sanji as a serious treat. Sanji was also overwhelmed by Daifuku at the party. And I was under the impression that Pedro was quite strong himself, and is not behind Sanji or Zoro. Nonetheless Pedro couldn't keep up with Oven or the 700 million worth Perosperos, who are supposed to be on Daifuku's league, right?

Not really. Sanji was able to hold up to him especially shown he handle his Genie Giant Form afterwards. He wasn't really overpowered, just focus on other matters than fighting to fight as in the wedding you see that. He wanted to save the family and was looking away from the fight. Of course you are push back if your not focusing. Though doesn't mean you can fight someone. Luffy showcased you can still get stronger and beat someone higher up like Katakuri despite others think he would lose.

 

[M3J]

You are most probably right, and that is the most obvious and probable outcome.

However I also think that pride and respect (outside of circonstances and reasons behind someone's actions) are important too.
Seeing how Zoro values these traits very highly I would really like him to react to what happened in WCI and act accordingly.

I really liked the tension back in the ussop days, and beeing in the land of the proud samurai I would like some of this tension back.

Chances of this happenning are low I conceive it but I am hopeful, just my opinion.

Well, Zoro himself doesn't mind calling Luffy an idiot and hitting him as well. And I still can't help but see Zoro just make fun of Luffy for getting knocked out, especially since Sanji basically admitted to Luffy he never wanted to leave but was scared of the consequences if he didn't listen to Big Mom.

 

[afromarco005]

Not really. Sanji was able to hold up to him especially shown he handle his Genie Giant Form afterwards. He wasn't really overpowered, just focus on other matters than fighting to fight as in the wedding you see that. He wanted to save the family and was looking away from the fight. Of course you are push back if your not focusing. Though doesn't mean you can fight someone. Luffy showcased you can still get stronger and beat someone higher up like Katakuri despite others think he would lose.

How long are you going to troll these forums Moe?

Since when was Genie Giant form a thing? Wasn't it always the same Stand with the same weapon?
Sanji wasn't focused when he was trying to survive in the middle of big mom's monsters of kids all at least 3x as strong as vergo-kun? are you serious right now?

Sanji wouldn't beat any big name in the charlotte family even less so when they were all together in their territory, not pre raid suit thats for sure.

This is getting ridiculous.

 

[King Moe]

How long are you going to troll these forums Moe?

Since when was Genie Giant form a thing? Wasn't it always the same Stand with the same weapon?
Sanji wasn't focused when he was trying to survive in the middle of big mom's monsters of kids all at least 3x as strong as vergo-kun? are you serious right now?

Sanji wouldn't beat any big name in the charlotte family even less so when they were all together in their territory, not pre raid suit thats for sure.

This is getting ridiculous.

Should be asking you the same question as all fights are "Undecided". Where was that Sanji wasn't able to beat then or that the arc was focus on dominating everyone? This was an Impel Down-like arc where the main objective was to retrieve something and someone. Fighting was not the main focus, it was escaping. That's like saying since Luffy never defeat Magellen in Impel Down, he is still stronger than him or won't beat him even with his post-timeskip .

Sanji was holding his own with Daifuku and Oven as shown physically. Sanji was protecting Luffy from her crew members so that time wasn't the best time to fight anyone. Plus they are Yonko Group, not average pirate crew. Sanji wouldn't have escape easily. It make sense on both sides especially the former is holding someone that decrease speed with his weight and needs to protect his captain.

Right now he is going to face Queen potiential in this arc and your still doubting him at this point is really ridiculous. Strawhats will face stronger opponents down the line with Sanji as well. Like it or not, Oda is making it happen, so your doubts aren't really factual, just your mind's logic, not reality of the situation in the series (not a insult to you, but just saying your response doesn't have sense in it).

Please stop rude attitude and be serious. Want to have a fair and honest talk with others, not something like this.

 

[hokageji]

When it comes to making Sanji look good you are a master at twisting things around and presenting them incorrectly. Before you use something as an argument to support your views first check if it is true or not because you have been misunderstanding situations a lot lately and all are related to Sanji.
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Not only Big Mom knows about Zeff and Baratie but it was her underling who told Germa66 about it. You completely twisted the facts around.

@nik87
Thanks for sharing this. This to me proves that Big Mom has reach to find out about Zeff and Baratie. Again, dont get me wrong for not recollecting the rest of the story, but it was Germa who used that info as a threat against him. So if Germa said that he wont touch east blue, we can assume he wont.
Of course, Big Mama can still take revenge on Sanji and everyone he loves, but then each and everyone of the strawhats is in danger too, not just the crew but everyone from their own islands. It might spawn an arc of itself. Her anger is beyond Sanji now.

 

[nik87]

@hokageji Not only she has reach to find about it, she already did it. Everything that Vinsmokes know about Sanji came from Big Mom. It is in those panels that i provided. First threat about Zeff came from Vito and Bege, who are Big Mom's men. Then Tamago told Vinsmokes about Sanji's weakness and to exploit them since he doesnt agree with marriage.

Of course, Big Mama can still take revenge on Sanji and everyone he loves, but then each and everyone of the strawhats is in danger too, not just the crew but everyone from their own islands. It might spawn an arc of itself. Her anger is beyond Sanji now.

Of course, that was never the argument. I was just pointing out that Moe made up stuff.

 

[King Moe]

@hokageji Not only she has reach to find about it, she already did it. Everything that Vinsmokes know about Sanji came from Big Mom. It is in those panels that i provided. First threat about Zeff came from Vito and Bege, who are Big Mom's men. Then Tamago told Vinsmokes about Sanji's weakness and to exploit them since he doesnt agree with marriage.


Of course, that was never the argument. I was just pointing out that Moe made up stuff.

I already admit fault. Though you never answer my question on how BM never act on it. Sounds like you don't know about it.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

I already admit fault. Though you never answer my question on how BM never act on it. Sounds like you don't know about it.

still waiting for the proof of zoro cracking his bones. You never gave proof of this yet.

 

[afromarco005]

Should be asking you the same question as all fights are "Undecided". Where was that Sanji wasn't able to beat then or that the arc was focus on dominating everyone? This was an Impel Down-like arc where the main objective was to retrieve something and someone. Fighting was not the main focus, it was escaping. That's like saying since Luffy never defeat Magellen in Impel Down, he is still stronger than him or won't beat him even with his post-timeskip .

Sanji was holding his own with Daifuku and Oven as shown physically. Sanji was protecting Luffy from her crew members so that time wasn't the best time to fight anyone. Plus they are Yonko Group, not average pirate crew. Sanji wouldn't have escape easily. It make sense on both sides especially the former is holding someone that decrease speed with his weight and needs to protect his captain.

Right now he is going to face Queen potiential in this arc and your still doubting him at this point is really ridiculous. Strawhats will face stronger opponents down the line with Sanji as well. Like it or not, Oda is making it happen, so your doubts aren't really factual, just your mind's logic, not reality of the situation in the series (not a insult to you, but just saying your response doesn't have sense in it).

Please stop rude attitude and be serious. Want to have a fair and honest talk with others, not something like this.

I agree that the conversation should be "honest and fair" but you make and break your owN rules.

Says that WCI wasn't focused on fights yet keep talking about every single clash sanji had to hype him up, ignoring any kind of defeat or struggle he had.

Says that we are wrong to assume that Sanji would lose in a fight with Daifuku and Oven in the middle of big mom territory yet keep assuming that Sanji will 1v1 Queen and win easily without even knowing his powers.

Keeps calling out Other characters fans for hyping up their boys and girls but does worse constantly when it comes to Sanji.

Calls people "biaised" all the time but does not look objectively at Sanji and is always trying to hype him up in some way even going as far as fabricating stuff from nowhere (genie giant form really?).

When confronted to these contradictions will write a long paragraph ignoring all the valid points you make and focus on something else.

Calls people rude but says they have bad grammar and other "subtle" insults to anger them.

I am not writing this to be arrogant or anything, just showing you why I and others are calling you a "troll".
Now back to a respectful and fun debate

 

[King Moe]

I agree that the conversation should be "honest and fair" but you make and break your onw rules.

Says that WCI wasn't focused on fights yet keep talking about every single clash sanji had to hype him up, ignoring any kind of defeat or struggle he had.

Says that we are wrong to assume that Sanji would lose in a fight with Daifuku and Oven in the middle of big mom territory yet keep assuming that Sanji will 1v1 Queen and win easily without even knowing his powers.

Keeps calling out Other characters fans for hyping up their boys and girls but does worse constantly when it comes to Sanji.

Calls people "biaised" all the time but does not look objectively at Sanji and is always trying to hype him up in some way even going as far as fabricating stuff from nowhere (genie giant form really?).

When confronted to these contradictions will write a long paragraph ignoring all the valid points you make and focus on something else.

Calls people rude but says they have bad grammar and other "subtle" insults to anger them.

I am not writing this to be arrogant or anything, just showing you why I and others are calling you a "troll".
Now back to a respectful and fun debate

You guys are bringing in the situation and I am countering back against you how those fights are as you use them as 'reasons' to think Sanji did 'nothing' when he did.

Both are undecided and Sanji shows him holding back them both and also fact Sanji never shown 100% of what he can do as if we seen pre-timeskip events, he hasn't shown all his kicking techniques from old and new ones in Diamble Jamble format, Haki Format, and now he has a Raid Suit. He has a lot of potential to give out which we can't denied on that if he has more to show.

Nah, I am fine with any character and only come around when you guys come in with Zoro and somehow bring Sanji in conversation and hyping the former and attacking the latter. Your the only ones bringing more discussion over this than I am. Even when I mention Sanji alone, you and few Zoro fans take against to that and began attacking me and others for liking him. Your not really in position to say that.

Not biased with Sanji, I use logic and facts and admit things when they are correct and wrong. Only you guys make stuff saying that "Sanji is now a weakling", "Sanji will never get stronger", "Broken Bones, despite Usopp and Harjudan have fights with broken bones, but you guys put it at a weakness for Sanji alone and ignoring how it doesn't matter as Oda establish it", and so on. Also seriously, Giant Genie? Do I really need to show that image to you of Sanji blocking Daifuku later in the arc. That isn't fake, that Oda's real drawing.

I address the points and don't stray what we talk about unlike you who try to make it something else and also restort to calling someone a troll if they choose to disagree with you or about a character you like did something. Right now your doing that by calling me a troll despite you know trolls are more jokester and do crazy stuff than I am doing.

Calling someone a troll is rude and never really said anyone have bad grammar. Genesis did misspellings in the post he made, but never said he was a bad writer like your trying to insert.

So far those who say that are usually Zoro fans like yourself when I speak out against you. So nah, not really. Actually from what I am hearing, you have tick off other members with one of them being Hannibal who left over stuff like this your continuing to do.

If you truly want this respectful and fun, I want that too. So lets end this here and not try to continue it. We respect each other opinions, but lets not take it far.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

I use logic and facts and admit things when they are correct and wrong.

still waiting for the source of 'zoro cracking his bones' as proof of your facts

 

[afromarco005]

You guys are bringing in the situation and I am countering back against you how those fights are as you use them as 'reasons' to think Sanji did 'nothing' when he did.

Both are undecided and Sanji shows him holding back them both and also fact Sanji never shown 100% of what he can do as if we seen pre-timeskip events, he hasn't shown all his kicking techniques from old and new ones in Diamble Jamble format, Haki Format, and now he has a Raid Suit. He has a lot of potential to give out which we can't denied on that if he has more to show.

Nah, I am fine with any character and only come around when you guys come in with Zoro and somehow bring Sanji in conversation and hyping the former and attacking the latter. Your the only ones bringing more discussion over this than I am. Even when I mention Sanji alone, you and few Zoro fans take against to that and began attacking me and others for liking him. Your not really in position to say that.

Not biased with Sanji, I use logic and facts and admit things when they are correct and wrong. Only you guys make stuff saying that "Sanji is now a weakling", "Sanji will never get stronger", "Broken Bones, despite Usopp and Harjudan have fights with broken bones, but you guys put it at a weakness for Sanji alone and ignoring how it doesn't matter as Oda establish it", and so on. Also seriously, Giant Genie? Do I really need to show that image to you of Sanji blocking Daifuku later in the arc. That isn't fake, that Oda's real drawing.

I address the points and don't stray what we talk about unlike you who try to make it something else and also restort to calling someone a troll if they choose to disagree with you or about a character you like did something. Right now your doing that by calling me a troll despite you know trolls are more jokester and do crazy stuff than I am doing.

Calling someone a troll is rude and never really said anyone have bad grammar. Genesis did misspellings in the post he made, but never said he was a bad writer like your trying to insert.

So far those who say that are usually Zoro fans like yourself when I speak out against you. So nah, not really. Actually from what I am hearing, you have tick off other members one of them being Hannibal who left over stuff like this your continue to do.

If you truly want this respectful and fun, I want that too. So lets end this here and not try to continue it. We respect each other opinions, but lets not take it far.

No offense but it's hard to think your opinions are "unbiaised and honest" when you keep talking about nails every chance you get (even on instances where the discussion has nothing to do with that) and go as far as creating bashing threads like "Zoro vs Fujitora".

My bad it was "mispelling" not grammar. My point remains the same, you kept going on about it even when they told you that they felt offended.

What I am saying is let's be nice and respectful to each other, we are all fans of the series after all.

Now let's go back to the discussion this has gone off topic now.

 

[King Moe]

No offense but it's hard to think your opinions are "unbiaised and honest" when you keep talking about nails every chance you get (even on instances where the discussion has nothing to do with that) and go as far as creating bashing threads like "Zoro vs Fujitora".

My bad it was "mispelling" not grammar. My point remains the same, you kept going on about it even when they told you that they felt offended.

What I am saying is let's be nice and respectful to each other, we are all fans of the series after all.

Now let's go back to the discussion this has gone off topic now.

It's legitimate topic. I also was praising Zoro while pointing out faults when facing Fujitora. It's not the same as you guys making "Sanji vs Vergo" topic that was here that you all did to make fun of Sanji more. If you are "fair", then please be that. You seem like a understanding guy and only thing we only debate on is Sanji and Zoro situation while not much of other stuff. I am sure we can have better discussions if we stay from discussing both 24/7 to each other when we see one another.

Saying someone has misspellings isn't insult and meaning I am trying to attack someone. I can say much worse things than "misspell". I was pointing out in our talk, that I didn't understand his post on bottom lines of first paragraph. Never it had intent to insult him. I apologize for that to him already.

You kinda take away of wanting to end this as why post back when I said it in my post? Let this be the last post and no other posts over this please.

I can start us off to help get back on track on this. So tell me do you and seen theories? Don't you believe if Sanji put on the Raid Suit, it bring out his latent genes from his family's experiment? Increasing his power even more and probably use it with or without RS. Think that is a possible theory can occur in the series.

 

[afromarco005]

It's legitimate topic. I also was praising Zoro while pointing out faults when facing Fujitora. It's not the same as you guys making "Sanji vs Vergo" topic that was here that you all did to make fun of Sanji more. If you are "fair", then please be that. You seem like a understanding guy and only thing we only debate on is Sanji and Zoro situation while not much of other stuff. I am sure we can have better discussions if we stay from discussing both 24/7 to each other when we see one another.

Saying someone has misspellings isn't insult and meaning I am trying to attack someone. I can say much worse things than "misspell". I was pointing out in our talk, that I didn't understand his post on bottom lines of first paragraph. Never it had intent to insult him. I apologize for that to him already.

You kinda take away of wanting to end this as why post back when I said it in my post? Let this be the last post and no other posts over this please.

I can start us off to help get back on track on this. So tell me do you and seen theories? Don't you believe if Sanji put on the Raid Suit, it bring out his latent genes from his family's experiment? Increasing his power even more and probably use it with or without RS. Think that is a possible theory can occur in the series.

The raid suit is going to be the next big thing for sanji and I am looking forward to it.
I think it will do quite a few things:

• enhance Sanji's defense against physical hits, sharp attacks and elemental attacks including fire (even if I don't think that fire is really affecting Sanji much)
• Enhance Sanji's strenght exponentially
• It will activate or fully activate Sanji's latent power and I believe that he will end up beeing the most powerful vinsmoke ever. I believe that Judge will one day realize that Sanji was the most perfect of his creations (retaining his humanity and accessing an immense power that ichi ni yonji could only dream of obtaining despite spending their entire lives training and fighting wars.
• Sanji's body will become incredibly durable without even needing haki surpassing the toughness of all his siblings. (Sanji the new diamond jozu?)

However these changes should happen overtime reaching their peak EOS so it doesnt come off as an asspull.( like Kings wings in NNT)

This is the best way to power up sanji imo seeing as he never trains and has a bit of trouble right now.
I always found it strange for sanji to be this strong for no reason when the likes of luffy and zoro train all the time to be strong now it all makes sense.