Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2019] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[Stivie]

Spoiler: TSS Colour Spread

http://imgur.com/a/Y6ax1kk

TSS 1st Chapter (Chinese)

in the question of colored pages;
Double taisei and TSS were better.

 

[zygmunt95]

What I find funny is that one manga in a week sales way more than all the industry outside of japan

 

[Maxy Barnard]

Couldn't they do as they're doing with spanish licensors in order to release series in the platform? I'm not knowledgeable in SS licenses and stuff, but Shueisha doesn't own Planeta, Norma, Ivrea or Panini, and they're all participating in the platform without getting an actual revenue more than the advertisement that it's done in the website (those images you can see that say 'Buy the volumes!' in spanish-translated series). Of course, whole decision in taking part in the project is the licensor alone, but I don't find it that crazy for other editorials to participate in the future.

Hmm I wasn’t aware of the situation with the spanish chapters. That paints it as likely being Seven Seas not opting in out of the whole “no revenue, just exposure” thing you’re describing there.
Though I do wonder if Seven Seas’ first wave of Ghost Ship titles aren’t a bit of a sore point. There was a period of several months where something they couldn’t talk about was preventing the digital volumes from even coming out, and I think most new licenses since have been from different publishers. Much to think on with no actual answers I guess

 

[Scruffy8642]

Couldn't they do as they're doing with spanish licensors in order to release series in the platform? I'm not knowledgeable in SS licenses and stuff, but Shueisha doesn't own Planeta, Norma, Ivrea or Panini, and they're all participating in the platform without getting an actual revenue more than the advertisement that it's done in the website (those images you can see that say 'Buy the volumes!' in spanish-translated series). Of course, whole decision in taking part in the project is the licensor alone, but I don't find it that crazy for other editorials to participate in the future.

Other publishers are participating that aren’t owned by Shueisha - Medibang and Media Do.

Pretty safe to bet that Yuuna not being included is because Seven Seas didn’t want to be involved in simulpubbing, since they don’t do it at all unless for shorter series. It requires a completely different editorial process, so if it’s not something you’re kitted out for/have experience in, or your focus is elsewhere, it’s probably not worth it. Note that everything is either being done by Viz (who have their own platform) or very small companies who will take anything they can get from a big publisher. I know for a fact Shueisha isn’t paying well to have these previously unlicensed/not simulpubbed series done, so there’s that too, and it’s certainly reflected in the quality of work on some of them.

They’re certainly abusing their brand name to take advantage of smaller companies to get stuff they want there done. And a bigger company like SS wasn’t gonna have a bar of it I suppose.

 

[RafGL]

Hmm I wasn’t aware of the situation with the spanish chapters. That paints it as likely being Seven Seas not opting in out of the whole “no revenue, just exposure” thing you’re describing there.
Though I do wonder if Seven Seas’ first wave of Ghost Ship titles aren’t a bit of a sore point. There was a period of several months where something they couldn’t talk about was preventing the digital volumes from even coming out, and I think most new licenses since have been from different publishers. Much to think on with no actual answers I guess

Actually the 'no revenue' thing would make sense since for spanish editorials, translating chapters now would mean not having to do it later when releasing volumes, but of course, they have that 'rush' of publishing chapters weekly. Still I can't safely mention that as a 'rush' since as far as I know, even freelance translators get, at least the text of the chapter, more than 1 week before the chapter is released in the platform. Don't know about the editing process later of when do they receive raws, since a member of Norma (spanish licensor participating in M+) said they received everything, text and raws, 2 days before the chapter release (contradicting what spanish freelance translators say on Twitter, but whatever). Anyway, as you said, no actual answers we could provide or get I guess.

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Other publishers are participating that aren’t owned by Shueisha - Medibang and Media Do.

Pretty safe to bet that Yuuna not being included is because Seven Seas didn’t want to be involved in simulpubbing, since they don’t do it at all unless for shorter series. It requires a completely different editorial process, so if it’s not something you’re kitted out for/have experience in, or your focus is elsewhere, it’s probably not worth it. Note that everything is either being done by Viz (who have their own platform) or very small companies who will take anything they can get from a big publisher. I know for a fact Shueisha isn’t paying well to have these previously unlicensed/not simulpubbed series done, so there’s that too, and it’s certainly reflected in the quality of work on some of them.

As I mentioned earlier, this spanish licensor stated that 'It was a huge rush and their translators and editors were exhausted because they received raws without almost time'. Again, don't know how much of this can be true due to some other translators tweets. About the payment, can't say anything there except editorials not being paid.

 

[Maxy Barnard]

Other publishers are participating that aren’t owned by Shueisha - Medibang and Media Do.

Media Do are a bit different to a publisher. Or at least they like to think so. They do double duty as an ebook distributor for several other publishers, Which is a big part of their involvement here. They’re also, as a side-note, a massive ballache of a company to look into.

 

[Thundercat27]

Decided to read black clover on a wimp. When will this get good? The main character is too obnoxious.

 

[Rain Spectre]

Decided to read black clover on a wimp. When will this get good? The main character is too obnoxious.

Trust me, you get used to Asta after a while. Mostly because the cast is well-constructed enough to properly support him.

Honestly, I know some people are sick of me ragging on Samurai 8, but I feel regarding the complaints surrounding Hachimaru that it's very valid, the fundamental problem with Hachimaru as a character is that the rest of the cast is far too weak to support him as a protagonist. Thus far, the only two really solid characters he's been able to interact with are Daruma (who would be an exceptionally generic mentor even back in the Golden Age) and Nanashi (leaves without any idea when they'll be back). Without anyone to really interact with (no, his dog does not count), Hachimaru is left to support the manga on his own, and he's simply no unique enough to do that.

 

[supercow297]

Decided to read black clover on a wimp. When will this get good? The main character is too obnoxious.

The hordes of people shutting him down eventually make you root for him. Plus in such a crazy messed up world, his no bullshit straightforwardness becomes a pretty rewarding trait for the reader.

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I read Hinomaru Zumou up to chapter 171 after taking a break after the HS arc. I can't believe I cried during a sumo manga... I mean technically I already cried in the closing ten chapters of the HS arc but fucking hell Shunkai got me. "This is my final request." What a great way to up the stakes. And then whenever the mood got comedic Hinomaru cut through the bullshit and made things feel so real. I was fucking bawling.

 

[Scruffy8642]

Actually the 'no revenue' thing would make sense since for spanish editorials, translating chapters now would mean not having to do it later when releasing volumes, but of course, they have that 'rush' of publishing chapters weekly. Still I can't safely mention that as a 'rush' since as far as I know, even freelance translators get, at least the text of the chapter, more than 1 week before the chapter is released in the platform. Don't know about the editing process later of when do they receive raws, since a member of Norma (spanish licensor participating in M+) said they received everything, text and raws, 2 days before the chapter release (contradicting what spanish freelance translators say on Twitter, but whatever). Anyway, as you said, no actual answers we could provide or get I guess.

--- Double Post Merged, Jun 1, 2019, Original Post Date: Jun 1, 2019 ---

As I mentioned earlier, this spanish licensor stated that 'It was a huge rush and their translators and editors were exhausted because they received raws without almost time'. Again, don't know how much of this can be true due to some other translators tweets. About the payment, can't say anything there except editorials not being paid.

I’d assume it differs between publishers, but I’ve heard from people on both the English and Spanish side who recieve the translated scripts and files roughly a week before release, so the translators probably get it earlier. We know Viz translators get them roughly 10 days prior at least. This is all for Jump though, Plus stuff probably has much shorter turnarounds. Even Viz editors have spoken about 24 hour turnarounds for stuff like Vigilantes/Jigokuraku before. And who knows when the actual deadline is anyway, since it’s probably like 3-4 days before release.

 

[Newkerzy]

Trust me, you get used to Asta after a while. Mostly because the cast is well-constructed enough to properly support him.

Honestly, I know some people are sick of me ragging on Samurai 8, but I feel regarding the complaints surrounding Hachimaru that it's very valid, the fundamental problem with Hachimaru as a character is that the rest of the cast is far too weak to support him as a protagonist. Thus far, the only two really solid characters he's been able to interact with are Daruma (who would be an exceptionally generic mentor even back in the Golden Age) and Nanashi (leaves without any idea when they'll be back). Without anyone to really interact with (no, his dog does not count), Hachimaru is left to support the manga on his own, and he's simply no unique enough to do that.

I think you hit the nail. One of the reasons why the current lineup of battle shonen is doing well (MHA & BC being the foremost examples) is because of a strong supporting cast. Sam8's standing is shaky right now, so if he wants to pick up the pace he's going to have to introduce the rest of his cast soon. And hopefully, he actually LEARNS from his last series this time.

 

[supercow297]

I think you hit the nail. One of the reasons why the current lineup of battle shonen is doing well (MHA & BC being the foremost examples) is because of a strong supporting cast. Sam8's standing is shaky right now, so if he wants to pick up the pace he's going to have to introduce the rest of his cast soon. And hopefully, he actually LEARNS from his last series this time.

Man I should really shut up but I don't think BNHA's supporting cast is strong. People love them, yes. But there's no depth to 90% of them because they never get any focus besides getting to say their taglines every now and again.

Kimetsu and Hinomaru's side squads geniusly weave into the story and maintain relevancy, and I love their stories all the more for it.

 

[Jovan]

Chainsaw Man left me speechless again. Just wow. No clue for how will this arc go and I love it.

I think you hit the nail. One of the reasons why the current lineup of battle shonen is doing well (MHA & BC being the foremost examples) is because of a strong supporting cast. Sam8's standing is shaky right now, so if he wants to pick up the pace he's going to have to introduce the rest of his cast soon. And hopefully, he actually LEARNS from his last series this time.

Naruto had majority of prominent characters introduced by Chapter 4 lol. In Samurai 8 we have nothing besides your usual sensei character.

 

[Xzone]

Man I should really shut up but I don't think BNHA's supporting cast is strong. People love them, yes. But there's no depth to 90% of them because they never get any focus besides getting to say their taglines every now and again.

Kimetsu and Hinomaru's side squads geniusly weave into the story and maintain relevancy, and I love their stories all the more for it.

What deep have kimetsu cast? The only one who had a good character development is Zenitsu...

I think the ongoing jump series with the best suporting cast is Haikyuu and surprisingly... Jujutsu (and I find in general my least favourite battle shonen in the moment)

 

[xAsum0x]

MHA, Haikyu, and Jujutsu Kaisen def have the better supporting casts rn

 

[SharkBait]

MHA, Haikyu, and Jujutsu Kaisen def have the better supporting casts rn

You forgot to mention BLack Clover, Food Wars, and Beast Children.

 

[Jovan]

What deep have kimetsu cast? The only one who had a good character development is Zenitsu...

I think the ongoing jump series with the best suporting cast is Haikyuu and surprisingly... Jujutsu (and I find in general my least favourite battle shonen in the moment)

Yep, Jujutsu has a great supporting cast. I can see why some would mention MHA, but I don't think it does it well enough as it should have

You forgot to mention BLack Clover, Food Wars, and Beast Children.

Shokugeki no Souma?? Isn't it hated for how horrible it handled the supporting cast and ruined Erina's character (among other plot things)?

 

[Xzone]

Yep, Jujutsu has a great supporting cast. I can see why some would mention MHA, but I don't think it does it well enough as it should have

I mean , both MHA and Kimetsu have a good suporting cast, but Jujutsu had the advantage(compared to MHA) that had a shorter amount of character to develop.

 

[xAsum0x]

Yep, Jujutsu has a great supporting cast. I can see why some would mention MHA, but I don't think it does it well enough as it should have



Shokugeki no Souma?? Isn't it hated for how horrible it handled the supporting cast and ruined Erina's character (among other plot things)?

MHA supporting cast is really good with good character depth in many of them, there’s just a lot of characters, not only in the world but in Class A and B alone. But he’s worked really well with what he’s had

 

[RafGL]

Shokugeki no Souma?? Isn't it hated for how horrible it handled the supporting cast and ruined Erina's character (among other plot things)?

Shokugeki had a really good supporting cast development during it's run, but in this past arcs it all went to completely trash. Support characters didn't have any kind of importance or even the slightest action here. They were just in the tournament in order to win some matches and then lose and make Soma stand out even more as the hero that will save them all and defeat every enemy. Like for real, they developed them all and made them confident in themselves just to throw that away in this arc and make Soma the ultimate chef and everyone else complete useless.

Regarding Erina, she has been turned in a princess that needs someone to save her because she doesn't know what to do by herself. Even if we already had that with her father's arc and she regained some confidence, it has been aaaall thrown away once more just so Soma can be the amazing prince that saves her from a desperate situation against the evilness. That's the only vibe last chapter gave me. Soma will end up winning, make another random dish and be the hero.

In conclusion, well yeah, Soma had a good supporting cast. Sad that it's all non-existent now.