One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[kcd]

With future sight, Law would have a hard time catching Luffy off guard even with his room and slash ability. Anyone would find it difficult at this point.

With the new haki blast and destroying from the inside haki, base Luffy would definitely be as strong as a yonko's right hand man at the very least. Law was close to him before Whole cake. But currently, Law might not even see his back.

 

[King Moe]

Law vs Zoro? Obviously Law without even thinking about it. I seen Zoro lately, but Law is definitely greater of one. They aren't equals at all. Maybe Zoro can get close eventually, but given his Wano's performance in his fights and recently Law quickly defeated Hawkins who Zoro struggle to take down himself, put more that Law is another league than him.

Until we see some better actions from Zoro, can't say Zoro is equal with him, nor even stronger than him. Not hating, but Law's feats are too superior compare to Zoro especially he can defeat credible opponents unlike Zoro we haven't seen him take down a serious threat especially so far in Wano. How Oda protraying him, he still same lvl and 'equal' to Sanji (Though looks to be weaker as at least Sanji took out credible threat and able to fight a Supernova with no repercussions after the fight. Just saying looking at the fights).

Also going with Oda's writing, He putting Law and Kidd same tier together with Luffy as more focal ones of the Eleven Supernovas/Worst Generation given their portrayals, heavily hinted only the 3 can match up against one another in the end and stand on top as New Generation against Old Generation.

 

[Fox666]

Law got shot from behind while fighting Hawkins and being distracted from Kaido in the sky, I wouldn't blame him.

And if I am not mistaken, going by Law's hand gesture he tried to use room and would have avoided the nail if it wasn't made of Seastone.

Besides, Hawkins strongest underlings are probably quite competent.

I hope you do recall that Luffy did that (not laying a finger on Doffy without Law's help) because Law asked him to.

Luffy sure tried to lay a finger, he just got his ass kicked. :/

 

[nik87]

Law got shot from behind while fighting Hawkins and being distracted from Kaido in the sky, I wouldn't blame him.
And if I am not mistaken, going by Law's hand gesture he tried to use room and would have avoided the nail if it wasn't made of Seastone.

Besides, Hawkins strongest underlings are probably quite competent.
Luffy sure tried to lay a finger, he just got his ass kicked. :/

He didnt fight anyone and it was random generic underling, not even someone notable from Hawkins' crew...

You acting as if it wasnt a surprise hit when Zoro was hit from point blank range...

 

[Fox666]

Not sure what you meant. Law has CoO, it shouldn't be a surprise he normally could avoid a shot from behind.

I don't know of anyone "notable" in the Hawkins pirates, although looking at the panel who shot Law was a Pleasure, so you can forget that part.

 

[Shasha23]

Not sure what you meant. Law has CoO, it shouldn't be a surprise he normally could avoid a shot from behind.

I don't know of anyone "notable" in the Hawkins pirates, although looking at the panel who shot Law was a Pleasure, so you can forget that part.

It was a waiter, note he has no horns, meaning he is a random underling

 

[GL_Nova]

If Law beats Zoro it’ll likely only be from Hax. If Zoro haki allows him to counter room. It’s a done deal. He has a good chance of winning even if it doesn’t honestly. People are acting like he didn’t face Killer, The Yakuza Boss, and a former Daimyo’s shadow so far. An he only took damage from Hawkins because he chose to shield the charges in his care.

 

[King Moe]

If Law beats Zoro it’ll likely only be from Hax. If Zoro haki allows him to counter room. It’s a done deal. He has a good chance of winning even if it doesn’t honestly. People are acting like he didn’t face Killer, The Yakuza Boss, and a former Daimyo’s shadow so far. An he only took damage from Hawkins because he chose to shield the charges in his care.

Killer drop him though and he fainted soon after. Luffy could protect Tama. Zoro didn't need to take the hit. Don't act like Luffy is useless in defending anyone. Even in those instances, he isn't as efficient using Haki to defend or dodge. With all that stack on him, Law beat Zoro without even trying much.

 

[GL_Nova]

Killer drop him though and he fainted soon after. Luffy could protect Tama. Zoro didn't need to take the hit. Don't act like Luffy is useless in defending anyone. Even in those instances, he isn't as efficient using Haki to defend or dodge. With all that stack on him, Law beat Zoro without even trying much.

Killer got dropped. He did succumb to the wound afterwards, but it’s when he knew that opponent was down.

Luffy was caring for her, why put any more on him though?

I could definitely see him beating behind on the curve with those types

 

[King Moe]

Killer got dropped. He did succumb to the wound afterwards, but it’s when he knew that opponent was down.

Luffy was caring for her, why put any more on him though?

I could definitely see him beating behind on the curve with those types

Gyaku was right there. Nothing was done. If he couldn't finish the person who stole his blade afterwards, it shows he was at his limit.

Luffy can protect with his rubber body and Haki. It's not hard for him.

Still hasn't shown anything he is above Law. Law is still stronger one especially he easily defeated Hawkins who Zoro had trouble prior.

 

[XXGenesis]

At this point in the story. If you are distracted by another opponent (conditional) or sneak attacked by underlings your CoO needs work!! Keep your panties on if somebody says that character CoO kinda sucks...

Luffy vs Katakuri..Perfect Ex. Luffy was being sneak attacked and it landed, he dodged the 2nd attack..All because he was working on CoO, at the time. And elaborates it's his fault for getting hit..

Just wanted to point this out. CoO exist for a reason. And should only be lacking when in extreme situations.

 

[King Moe]

At this point in the story. If you are distracted by another opponent (conditional) or sneak attacked by underlings your CoO needs work!! Keep your panties in if some ody says that character CoO kinda sucks...

Luffy vs Katakuri..Perfect Ex. Luffy was being sneak attacked and it landed, burned dodged the 2nd attack..All because he was working on CoO, at the time. And elaborates it's his fault for getting hit..

Just wanted to point this out. CoO exist for a reason. And should only be lacking when in extreme situations.

Exactly one of my point. We getting in big leagues, so Zoro should have his Haki prepared when incoming attacks to whether dodge, block, or harden his skin to prevent damage. If he can't do that at this stage, think of all-out war at Fire Festival as doubt there be one on one full fights without some interjection against the others or at least prepare for multiple opponents. If he can't handle that along with Enma able to leave him more defenseless by sucking his Haki as he uses it, he needs to be prepare like Luffy and Sanji are when using their Haki offensively and defensively, not only one side.

 

[Kuza]

What have I said that is not factual? The burden isn't on me to prove that Enma is not a kaido-damaging sword. The burden isn't on me to prove that Zoro can damage Kaido. I am not claiming those things.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 13, 2019, Original Post Date: Sep 13, 2019 ---

What facts? The fact that Luffy, the main character struggled hard against a YC yet his underling is supposed to do better? The fact that even with Fujitoras words (which I have and atleast HP has used to speculate that Luffy could beat BM or is Admiral/Yonko level). Or the fact that the person saying those things had no ill will towards any of the SHs? I am saying he isn't strong enough to fight a YC until proven otherwise. He has been given an upgrade to bridge that gap. The whole point of the sword...

Only a coast line from a strike that was simply meant to be on a tree. We've seen Shusui slicing mountains with air slashes, not just a swing of a sword. There is a massive difference in effort there.

The sword already has a property, the fact that it already by default cuts more than it should, makes it more deadly than any sword. Any attack after that is only going to benefit from multipliers.

You have said that Zoro is not strong enough to fight YC without any factual evidence, it is your feeling or perception and you try to provide Luffys ability to fight to imply that it somehow impacts Zoros current ability to fight. I’ve given you a solid fact - Zoro fought and admiral, that is a fact, is yc that much stronger than an admiral in your mind that you think Zoro cant fight them?

Note that nobody is even talking about beating a YC, you say he cant even fight them. You think Zoro cant cut crackers or fight smoothie? Sounds like a joke to me. If you havent been paying attention Zoro is Rayleigh of SH crew, he’s designed to be a powerhouse. Perhaps you just overestimate YCs, Katakuri is confirmed op, all other not so op or unknown somthere is no factual evidence to say that someone cant fight them.

And finally a question, how do you think this war would resolve if 2nd strongest in SHs cant even fight a YC, when there are multiple present?

 

[jaymizzo]

You have said that Zoro is not strong enough to fight YC without any factual evidence, it is your feeling or perception and you try to provide Luffys ability to fight to imply that it somehow impacts Zoros current ability to fight. I’ve given you a solid fact - Zoro fought and admiral, that is a fact, is yc that much stronger than an admiral in your mind that you think Zoro cant fight them?

Note that nobody is even talking about beating a YC, you say he cant even fight them. You think Zoro cant cut crackers or fight smoothie? Sounds like a joke to me. If you havent been paying attention Zoro is Rayleigh of SH crew, he’s designed to be a powerhouse. Perhaps you just overestimate YCs, Katakuri is confirmed op, all other not so op or unknown somthere is no factual evidence to say that someone cant fight them.

And finally a question, how do you think this war would resolve if 2nd strongest in SHs cant even fight a YC, when there are multiple present?

No it is not a fact that Zoro fought an Admiral, that is an outright lie. He would be dead if he had fought Fujitora. This is not how it works, I dont have to prove that Zoro can't fight a YC because the manga has not shown him against an opponent of that level I can just chill, burden aint on me... Those who claim he can will have to prove where he has shown such capabilities. If you are just going to ask me what I think, that resolves nothing. Come up with a decently backed argument as to why Zoro can fight a YC or damage Kaido without Enma.

Otherwise its just wishful thinking until it actually happens. Luffy was not YC level at WCI but somehow Zoro is

 

[Shasha23]

No it is not a fact that Zoro fought an Admiral, that is an outright lie. He would be dead if he had fought Fujitora. This is not how it works, I dont have to prove that Zoro can't fight a YC because the manga has not shown him against an opponent of that level I can just chill, burden aint on me... Those who claim he can will have to prove where he has shown such capabilities. If you are just going to ask me what I think, that resolves nothing. Come up with a decently backed argument as to why Zoro can fight a YC or damage Kaido without Enma.

Otherwise its just wishful thinking until it actually happens. Luffy was not YC level at WCI but somehow Zoro is

he did fight him and managed to push him back something Luffy and Sabo couldnt do!
You cant just outright state this type of BS as if your in the know, saying this type of nonsense is the same as saying King cant beat Chopper because the manga hasnt shown it and you dont have the burden of proof.
In any intelligent argument one uses power scaling, and power scaling dictates Zoro can fight a YC, sure he losses to some but beats most.

 

[jaymizzo]

he did fight him and managed to push him back something Luffy and Sabo couldnt do!
You cant just outright state this type of BS as if your in the know, saying this type of nonsense is the same as saying King cant beat Chopper because the manga hasnt shown it and you dont have the burden of proof.
In any intelligent argument one uses power scaling, and power scaling dictates Zoro can fight a YC, sure he losses to some but beats most.

Zoro pushed back an Admiral... you call what happened between Zoro and Fujitora a fight?

Fine, since you're serious... then don't dispute
Luffy stood his ground against Fujitora, Luffy = Admiral
Jinbei managed to push back BM. Jinbei = Yonko level
Chopper took a hit from BM and didn't die. Chopper = YC+ level durability
Brook disrupted BMs movements and is the only one to ever injure Zeus/Prometheus. Brook is YC level for challenging a Yonko.

You can't ask for an intelligent argument and have no intelligent input at all. You say power scaling dictates Zoro can fight a YC, then prove it. Don't just utter words and use skirmishes (not even at that) that meant absolutely nothing to justify what you are claiming. What Zoro did to Fujitora is the same as all the above examples. He has yet to be challenged by someone of that level. Prove he has otherwise keep uttering that to yourself.

Zoro pushed back Fujitora you know... The guy would have flattened him like he would have any SH in Dressrossa. The fact that anyone (myself included) ever used his words as a measurement of the SHs strengths is just

 

[jaymizzo]

Do you?

Clearly not

This is why i say everything you say is complete and utter BS, how is a small clash being equal to you?

How long did Zoro and Fujitora fight for? What was the outcome of the fight? Who was the winner? What abilities did Fujitora use? What kind of swordsman is Fujitora? Sure, keep insulting my intelligence, Il keep waiting for you to prove that Zoro is YC level or can damage Kaido without the Enma. The theatrics aren't going to make you right though.

You have the debating skills of an 8year old, so in your head is Jinbe being strong enough to push back Linlin not a feat since she was after cake?

Not resorting to calling you names but sure, I debate like an 8 year old. Simply using the exact same logic you are, in fact BM was hell bent on destroying the Sunny to get the cake, clashed with Jinbei and got sent flying. Its not in my head, it happened. Both characters had no real reason to fight their respective obstacles i.e if you claim BM was distracted, then why is Fujitora not wanting to kill Zoro not taken into account?

But hey, since its about Zoro, lets not equate the situations...

Chopper blocking Linlin without serious damage is not testament to his own durability in your head cannon?

It is, but you don't see anyone running around claiming Chopper is YC level because of one simple showing.

So is Brook's feats irrelevant to you?

In power scaling yes. That showing says nothing about how strong Brook is... Only that he managed to damage Zeus/Prometheus (don't remember which)

In your eyes i have no intelligence because you have the reasoning capacity of a grade 3 student, there is no way you can understand what intelligence is!

Sure, you can call yourself unintelligent... I never did. But keep insulting me, its not really going to change the fact that you have yet to prove any of the things you claim.

Why are you so adamant to ignore the fact he was strong enough to push back Fujitora and cancel 0ut the gravity pushing him down, something Luffy and Sabo couldnt do?

Because they did not fight. Their exchanges are literally meaningless in power scaling.

FYI Luffy and Zoro have always been relative so saying Zoro can fight a YC based on Luffy's showing is called power scaling kid!

Nope.

"The guy would have flattened him like he would have any SH in Dressrossa"

Based on the simple fact that he is an Admiral (who has showcased his ability against strong fighters i.e. Doflamingo and Law, we know the combat ability of Admirals -which has been established by the Manga ) and has an ability non of the SH can counter.

 

[King Moe]

Damn I knew after latest chapter. Now everyone gonna justify Zoro is above everyone now and no one can compete due to Enma despite obvious drawback on his Haki and durability though. This be a bit annoying for awhile on here.

 

[nik87]

Damn I knew after latest chapter. Now everyone gonna justify Zoro is above everyone now and no one can compete due to Enma despite obvious drawback on his Haki and durability though. This be a bit annoying for awhile on here.

Time to hop on the Zoro train, the dude is reaching sky high. Your funeral by going against it.

 

[Kuza]

Damn I knew after latest chapter. Now everyone gonna justify Zoro is above everyone now and no one can compete due to Enma despite obvious drawback on his Haki and durability though. This be a bit annoying for awhile on here.

It’s actually 1 person saying Zoro cant fight yonko commanders without any basis and other people trying to understand why and dispute how significant a different sword from the same grade is. How tf can you say someone just cant fight someone, I would get if anybody would say Zoro cant beat Katakuri and provide some logic why, but we have seen pretty weak YC from BM and WB crew and dont know how strong others are, wtf is he even talking about, sounds like outright trolling so imma stop giving him attention lol.