Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2019] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[ShenGao]

How was Yozakura? The CPs were fantastic but how was the manga itself?

I would say it's interesting. The plot so far is: The MC was forced to marry his childhood friend, who is the leader of her mafia/assassin family, and now he has to train to protect her from other assassins.

 

[animeexpert]

And TSS had a recommendation from a famous author to boot. Oh dear...

imagine getting co-signed by a goat that refined a genre, but still get cancelled

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How was Yozakura? The CPs were fantastic but how was the manga itself?

you can resemble it with hitman reborn & reborn training tsuna, but more refined

 

[Serinox]

There are plenty of examples of series catching steam later on.

I think one of the poster children for that is Dragon Ball. According to Toriyama himself, the series wasn't all that popular at first, so he created its first tournament arc with 21st Tenkaichi Budokai to make it more popular. And then of course later, the series exploded in popularity with the Saiyan Arc and its follow-up (not that it was unpopular or anything before that, but there was another jump then).

"And then the Tenka’ichi Budōkai began. But why did you do that sort of a development?"

"Up until the Tenka’ichi Budōkai began, the series hadn’t been all that popular. That’s what Torishima-san had told me. “Your protagonist is rather plain. That’s why it’s not popular.”, he said. Personally, since I was doing a fighting story for this series, I had intentionally made the protagonist’s clothing excessively plain. So this annoyed me, but then I figured it out. “Well, let’s increase its popularity” I thought. When I had designed Goku’s character, the words that best represented him were “I want to become strong”. So I thought I’d bring that to the front. Even during “Dr. Slump”, the tournament-like events such as the Penguin Village Gran Prix or the Mini-Event had been amazingly popular. So I’d simply make the story into a tournament format. From there the Tenka’ichi Budōkai was born. I temporarily withdrew the other characters besides Goku, brought back Kame-Sen’nin, and added Kuririn as a new character. From there it got popular before I knew it."

 

[SalesNerd69]

Who is your favorite "master/teacher" character from jump history?

 

[Rain Spectre]

Who is your favorite "master/teacher" character from jump history?

All Might. Korosensei is a close runner-up though.

 

[animeexpert]

Who is your favorite "master/teacher" character from jump history?

reborn/korosensei/jyraia & last sankonji even tho it was short lived

 

[Leoat12]

1. Such treatment is not new to the world of entertainment. It's not surprising. It would be surprising if this treatment was NOT given.

2. You cannot say it won't be a super success like Naruto. The series is not even 20 chapters old.
There are plenty of examples of series catching steam later on. Bleach picked up on popularity from SS arc. OP sold double its original peak due to the movie and time skip. Kingdom sold a respectable 200k with Anime for years before it got the massive boosts. KNB ranked poorly but still sold decently enough and gained enough popularity to go on to sell a million per volume.

3. You cannot tell me any one of the above are special cases since Kishimoto's return is a special case on its own. So you cannot predict what or how the series will do. None of us can. So to the people who keep stating its gonna fail like some sort of fact, stop. You cannot see the future.

Can we leave this topic now and wait till it starts selling? Cool beans?

What I was trying to say is that what make great mangas is not marketing, it is great stories. It rarely works to do a lot of marketing without a good story.
For example, Spy x Family came out of nowhere and it is popular now beyond possible without much marketing. I came to know SxF with the oneshot on Jump because of the CP and you may say that it is marketing, but I think it was already a thing before that and without a good story it would be a waste of pages.
That's what I don't like, understand? Marketing without even knowing if the series is good or bad. I believe in merit. I know it happens and nothing will change, I'm just venting.

 

[Kolbe]

Who is your favorite "master/teacher" character from jump history?

Korosensei for sure. I also like Jiraya and all the Dragon Ball ones, especially Karin

 

[savethecat]

Who is your favorite "master/teacher" character from jump history?

Genkai | Yu yu Hakusho
All Might | My Hero Academia
Orokodaki | Demon Slayer

 

[James Rye]

Fellas still think Deku is a unique MC? I remember defending how Osamu was a more unique MC than Deku.

And I thank you for your good, hard and rightful work, great Sir! Keep spreading the truth!

Blink, you're about three convo topics too late on that comment.

Bro, it's never too late to say that Osamu is a more unique MC than Deku. XD

Who is your favorite "master/teacher" character from jump history?

Easy, Koro-sensei, next.

As for SxF, it is still in the rankings, dayum! 2nd volume might get 100k+ sales after a week if those numbers keep up. I doubt Jump+ expected SxF to blow up like that when they put the first chapter on their website.^^

 

[Aiwass_97]

Who is your favorite "master/teacher" character from jump history?

Kawato (Rookies)
Genkai (Yu Yu Hakusho)
Jiraiya (Naruto)

 

[Mr.Fujimaster]

Who is your favorite "master/teacher" character from jump history?

Anzai (Slam Dunk)
Jiraiya (Naruto)
Koro-sensei (Ansatsu Kyoshitsu)
Roshi and Piccolo (Dragon Ball)
Genkai (Yu Yu Hakusho)

 

[savethecat]

Piggy backing off of the Mentor/Sensei question.
Does anyone think Master Roshi aged badly as a character?
Personally I thought he was funny and cool as a kid, but now I sorta find him a creep. Dragon Ball super made him even worse

 

[SharkBait]

Who is your favorite "master/teacher" character from jump history?

Konohamaru-nii-chan
Sasuke-san
Endeavor

 

[Rain Spectre]

Piggy backing off of the Mentor/Sensei question.
Does anyone think Master Roshi aged badly as a character?
Personally I thought he was funny and cool as a kid, but now I sorta find him a creep. Dragon Ball super made him even worse

Absolutely, especially considering Japan's ever increasing issues surrounding sexual harassment. It's the same deal with Sanji. It's telling that Mineta as a character pretty much exists in a constant state of being abused, and even he's considered by a lot of people a step too far.

 

[Leoat12]

Today I read Samurai 8, Tokyo Shinobi Squad and The Promised Neverland (I read three per day, bear with me, have to make subway rides entertaining all week).
Let's not gonna talk about Samurai 8, skip that.
Toyko Shinobi Squad is good, I really don't know why it is going that bad, maybe way too much competition, almost the entire magazine competes with it. Maybe the readers don't relate much with an already "established" character, meaning, Narumikai is already professional, they know what they are doing and there isn't much evolution, except En, who cannot carry a series on his own. It has been a slice of life with action so far and this formula can get boring pretty quickly.
The Promised Neverland is very hard to talk about without giving spoilers, but...

Spoiler

It seems like now the authors are trying to convince people that demons are righteous creatures somehow and failing miserably.

 

[Chuck_Atlas]

Who is your favorite "master/teacher" character from jump history?

Jiraiya (Naruto)
Rayleigh (One Piece)
Shouyou (Gintama)

 

[Kharthas]

Regarding the Neverland spoiler, I really hate when authors pull this. Most of the times, it just feels very forced.

 

[Halloween]

Everyone @hisoga had an interesting idea that he mentioned to me, that I wanted to run by you guys.

Do you guys want the previous polls to be archived and brought up from time to time to discuss them in the future? That includes posting screenshots of who voted for what in each category.

Furthermore, while I do think this is a good idea, I ask that there be a volunteer to handle this duty. This volunteer would archive and periodically bring up previous polls.

Not only that, this volunteer (or volunteers, if you guys want) would also be allowed to come up with ideas for future polls. Does that sound like something that would interest you guys?

 

[Mammo]

How exactly is that a problem with Nakano specifically?

i would like to say I'm questioning the magazine quality filter if there's any
but looking at it now, I'm just taking cheap shots

Because... it is really only one editor who looks over a chapter? Not all editors read every chapter before it is printed.

you would think there must be some kinda of procedure to make sure everything is alright before hitting the printers
but i admit i don't know enough to argue

Wasn't Stone above WNL in Shoseki?

Shoseki numbers are estimates not 100% accurate

interrogation princess reprint

this and Boukyaku Battery are not on M+ for some reason
meanwhile KoLD8 and Moon Land are there

i don't understand why don't they pick them up now? if they can do 6 volumes of Land Lock they can do 1 volume from Interrogation Princess

If Stone hadn't been mentioned on that tv show 2 weeks ago, it probably would have lost to AA again

makes you wonder about the anime views

How about we talk about the chances Mitama and Yozakura have? We didn't dive into that enough.

just wait until the 8th chapter, we don't need to have this conversation everyday until then

imagine getting co-signed by a goat that refined a genre, but still get cancelled

imagine writing a battle manga that refined a genre then coming back to get axed
that what happened with Kenshin and Nura
imagine writing a sport manga that refined a genre then coming back to get axed
that what happened with KnB and Rising Impact

a rec compared to that is nothing, even Shuukyoku Engage had a rec from Togashi and then got axed

Who is your favorite "master/teacher" character from jump history?

Avan and Dai (Dragon Quest)
Hyuga and Kira (Captain Tsubasa)
Anzai and Mitsui (Slam Dunk)
Might Guy and Rock Lee (Naruto)

Piggy backing off of the Mentor/Sensei question.
Does anyone think Master Roshi aged badly as a character?
Personally I thought he was funny and cool as a kid, but now I sorta find him a creep. Dragon Ball super made him even worse

I think he aged fine, just another pervy old man stereotype
I do agree those Dragon Ball Super filler with Puar made him look like a creepy rapist