This has nothing to do with Natsu using FDK attack with max POF to beat Zeref. Savage Flames was something on Zeref's mind.
At the peak of her POF? She legitimately is.
I'm pretty sure Natsu is a tier above her when they are at peak.
arguing that he learned it in mid battle?? It’s been over a year that he’s had this illness. You really think it’s that big a stretch that Freed taught him how to write runes so he could mitigate its effects, when we know he spent the entire year training? That just seems like a common sense solution.iced shell is related to ice
thus gray doing it aint that bad
but laxus doing it is gonna be a problem
parents normally seems to give their magic to their kids
lucy natsu gray and wendy all come here (erza is the only exception, and I thought mishma loved erza)
after that it is all bad writing
a convenient way to win, equivalent to a pof power up
if people were copying other people magic, we will get much more interesting and complicated battles. but they never happen.
laxus red lightening and his rune, both to me is a complete bs way to win.
why did laxus train to make technique like red lightening, one lightening that wahl wasn't immune to? did laxus know he was gonna fight wahl an year ago?
If laxus can learn and use rune in mid battle, then why doesn't gray learn requip and gets a fast armour. ice make, ice demon slayer at a blitzing speed, he will move a tier up just by doing this
natsu can really use that teleportation magic
but we never see this.
natsu gets more fire moves
gray gets more ice moves
erza gets more armors
and nothing else
the reality of the world can easily be seen by looking at patterns.
something that deviates from that particular pattern is a asspull, as in literally being pulled out of the ass
you might have seen many boxing matches. you know how they go, their rules. if someone started to use kicks in the boxing match we are gonna have a problem
we have huge amount of battles in fairy tail. people copying others magic doesn't happen (I am not talking parent magic)
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zeref is a particular case.
let us talk about hades
you know he taught zancrow flame god slayer magic
did you see him use it against natsu
what about time arc,
but that is what we are talking about, erza using time stop with out an armor.
fun fact jellal hasn't either. he used mystogan magic to hide his identity. once he started using meteor, there was no going back
Why yes it is true it does mean it’ll take more power than a Lion Maiden spell to beat her. But in the case of Mira, it’s nothing impressive of her tanking that spell. Because it’s to be expected given her hype considering Lucy is weaker than her. Just cause it’s one of Lucy’s strongest attack doesn’t mean it should be considered to be an impressive feat that Mira tanked. So it’s like yeah ofc she would tank it. I mean she’s stronger than Lucy. But calling it impressive to compare whether she’s at Erza’s level who has history of taking on attacks stronger than a SDM nuke, no. Now again, it would be an impressive feat for Mira if Lucy was stronger than her or used her attack to affect a formidable foe in Mira’s level. But none of the sort has happened. Which is why most Mira fans find it disappointing that she isn’t fighting someone like Erza to show off how good she can fight with her. Just like Gajeel did with Natsu who he done made to be low on magic power. But right now, she kind of is making Lucy look good while not so much for herself.
Why would that be the case? Why would an FDK spell become dangerous for Natsu when he's in base, but not when he's in FDK mode? That implies that FDK mode somehow makes Natsu physically tougher, and there's no reason to believe that is the case. And how does FDK mode increase the supposed "cap" to Natsu's attacks? The 2 strongest attacks Natsu has ever used by himself were both without FDK mode. He wasn't in FDK mode when he used "Savage flames", which was when his flames were the hottest. He wasn't in FDK mode when he used Demolition Fist in Dragon Force, which is when he had the most physical strength.On the FDKM debate; the way I see it, FDKM allows Natsu to pour more power into his FDK attacks,instead of being a new type of fire (like a quantity over quality deal). Like if Natsu used an FDK spell in base, he could only draw out/use a certain amount of FDK power/flames into that attack without it becoming dangerous for him, but in FDKM, he can regulate that power better and his cap increases. The mode would have to be a powerup or else there would be no reason for Natsu to use it against Zeref, 'cause the heat didn't really have much of an effect on Zeref:
and if Natsu could use the same amount of power in base, then entering the mode itself didn't do anything but exhaust his magic reserves (and maybe lightly heating Zeref up)
-chapter 464
As for the Savage Flames, I just saw that as an upgraded variant of this:
His savage flames of wild emotion amped his base and allowed his flames to reach a level that could burn through Zeref's time magic (something that his FDK flames, even when amped by his DF, couldn't do). So I don't really think it's fair to use this as an example of ordinary base Natsu's flames being >= FDKM Natsu's.
-chapter 19
Yes I am also upset that Mira isn’t fighting someone stronger than Lucy but it is what it is. But so far Mira hasn’t been trying and she’s still winning so now we’re gonna see what happens next. She tied Virgo up, tanked the SDM nuke and is currently ploughing Lucy hard and pushing her out.Why yes it is true it does mean it’ll take more power than a Lion Maiden spell to beat her. But in the case of Mira, it’s nothing impressive of her tanking that spell. Because it’s to be expected given her hype considering Lucy is weaker than her. Just cause it’s one of Lucy’s strongest attack doesn’t mean it should be considered to be an impressive feat that Mira tanked. So it’s like yeah ofc she would tank it. I mean she’s stronger than Lucy. But calling it impressive to compare whether she’s at Erza’s level who has history of taking on attacks stronger than a SDM nuke, no. Now again, it would be an impressive feat for Mira if Lucy was stronger than her or used her attack to affect a formidable foe in Mira’s level. But none of the sort has happened. Which is why most Mira fans find it disappointing that she isn’t fighting someone like Erza to show off how good she can fight with her. Just like Gajeel did with Natsu who he done made to be low on magic power. But right now, she kind of is making Lucy look good while not so much for herself.
And for the case of Lisanna, we have no idea how it really went down with the fight with Ajeel. Matter of fact, Elfman was there as well and he also tanked her SDM nuke. So one can say he pretty much did most of the work against Ajeel while also possibly protected Lisanna throughout the time being. Really for the case of Elfman, it’s an impressive feat for him that he tanked it given Loke’s reaction to how strong he is that he didn’t expect him to be and most of us always thought Lucy is stronger than him. But doesn’t seem like that’s true until further notice
Bro I agree with the FDKM mode part but not erza part I beleive erza>MiraY'all really try hard to downplay Jacob to the max.
Erza's feats againat Irene are complete and utter bullshit. Her PL throughout the arc showed she had trouble against average S12s and needed help beating them. Then she comes and does more damage to a top tier S12 then Gildarts? Don't forget she smacks RoT Acno out of the sky which is a better feat than anyone bar Natsu had in the arc lol. We don't use SF or 7DS Natsu when talking about Natau's PL, why the hell would would we use Erza's bs feats against Irene as well?
Two, Erza got her ass beat by Irene's enchantment on straight fodder so stop acting like Irene's creation are fodder. Like seriously did you just say Mira got beat up by fodder and then try use that bs feat of Erza like Erza wasn't also getting her butt beat by NO NAMED red shirts that were enchanted by Irene? Lol hypocrisy.
The fact that Mira beat Jacob while having no magical power is testament to Irene's power to make such powerful beings. The same beings who didn't give an f about S12's PL.
Dunno how you can call it a fluke when Jacob confirms he doesn't need his eyesight to fight and only slipped up once due to the terrain change and adjusted right afterwards.
NEINHEART had trashed durability and he got beaten by base Natsu something that wasn't downing Jacob as he was straight overpowering Natsu with Lucy.
"He was holding back against Jacob trying not to destroy the guild" "He only used base FD attack so he wasn't serious". <- Bull, bcs he did the exact same thing in the fight against Zeref and now it was shown in the anime he did it against freaking Acnologia lol. Natsu using FD level spells doesn't mean he's not taking it seriously as his FD attacks are still as potent as his FDK level attacks. He also fought Zeref the exact same way he fought Jacob.
You guys are delusional if you think Natsu was going more serious on freaking Bakel, fodder, and the War God then Zeref and an S12. Heck you can add Acno to the list as we saw him use a FD spell against him.
FDKM is stronger than base FDK otherwise the mode wouldn't exist in the first place. Natsu doesn't need a mode to wrap flames around his body lmfao.He literally went from matching Zeref to almost killing him once he went FDKM which shows his power multiplied in that form.
Also SF is not base Natsu, you can already see that as Natsu's flames doesn't incnerate his arms. But we do know when Natsu went FDG mode he did incinerate his arms so his Savage Flames must be on par with FDG mode.
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I couldn’t stop laughing that was Hilarious
Well like I said, the mode allows him to regulate it better. We've seen that he can damage his entire arm if he uses too much of that power
Also like I said, he was amping himself with that ancient magic that Erigor was talking about. It's not as if Natsu can generate that kind of heat whenever he wants to; he has to get emotional enough to subconsciously activate that magic. As for dragon Force, like you said, he's physically tougher in that form, so he can pour in more power without having to worry so much about his body being damaged(his body might also be able to naturally handle the heat better, due to it being more like a fire dragon's, but I don't have anything from the manga to prove this to be the case).
Well DF Natsu could easily burn through Zeref's weird tentacle attack,while base Natsu was struggling greatly to overcome it, so that could be proof of DF also amping his flames' temp.
But if Natsu can use the flames in his base without the mode, and if his flames are as strong in base as they are with the mode, then entering the mode did nothing other than deplete his magic faster. Natsu may be dumb, but I don't think he's that dumb.
Well I don't know what to tell ya man. Erigor says in that scan that Natsu was using Ancient magic. Also, I agree that it's not a mode (or at least, not like any of his other modes);. I see it as sorta like Kaioken. He's briefly augmenting his power in his base form to a great degree and can probably stack this magic on top of his actual modes (although I don't really have evidence from the manga regarding this, too)
You do realize "savage flames" isn't a real mode right? It's a phrase we, the fanbase, used to shorthand describe the one instance when Natsu's power of feelings made him so strong that he could burn time. The correct phrase is technically not even "savage flames", it's "a blaze of savage emotions". We have turned an abbreviation into an actual mode. XD
I have no problem if people think Erza is stronger, only when they think Mira is weaker than Kagura or Minerva... I think Erza and Mira are on a similar level like they were portrayed. Only time Erza boosts so high she can scrub Mira is during bs moments which I don't think are applicable in a standard battle.Bro I agree with the FDKM mode part but not erza part I beleive erza>Mira
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I couldn’t stop laughing that was Hilarious