Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2019] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[Ryuusei]

I already said that he concluded with the manga.
However, what are the chances that Black Clover will overtake Spy?

Highly unlikely. SXF is a pretty popular manga right now, while BC is only trying to stay stable with its numbers.

I may be in the minority, but I don't actually like the battles in Kimetsu much. My favourite parts of the series are the antics between arcs, and they never last long enough! Would love to see Gotouge try something like Sket Dance/Gintama though. Her handling of character interactions is some of the best in Jump, and she's great with comedy too.

I actually feel doing a battle shounen, especially one like Kimetsu where a lot of time is spent developing villains who'll soon be lost from the story, is kind of a waste and writing against her strengths.

Yeah, the action in KNY manga is lackluster sometimes, which is why Ufotable's adaptation is amazing, they managed to make the fights so much better, especially the one showed in episode 19. I also agree on you regarding the relationships writing, Gotouge is a master of it. I am not that big on the comedy, but I do love the drama bits. Actually, my favourite moments so far have been Zenitsu's meeting with Kuwajima's spirit, Akaza's memories and Kanao's thoughts of Shinobu and Kanae after the battle against Douma. However, as much as I enjoy the flashbacks and the drama they bring, having one after every single battle is kinda tiresome at this point.

 

[Franz]

Highly unlikely. SXF is a pretty popular manga right now, while BC is only trying to stay stable with its numbers.

Even without an anime to support it?

 

[Halloween]

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[Ryuusei]

Even without an anime to support it?

SXF got a good amount of reprints for the first volume alone and is soon going to hit 300k copies sold. The second volume is only behind OP, KNY and TPN in the daily rankings and all of them are huge in popularity. With an anime adaptation that will obviously happen in the future, it only tends to grow even more. Meanwhile, BC's boost from the anime already happened long ago, nowadays it does nothing to the manga sales.

 

[Neala897]

Even without an anime to support it?

YES

 

[James Rye]

Well, I got a question in regards to Jump sale directive because I wanna know if it's true or not:

I read that Jump forced Bookstores in Japan to get a lot more of Samurai 8 than they had originally ordered. Like if they order 150 KnY they got 90 and the other 60 were S8. Or that they cannot send the copies they don't want back to Jump. Or that they get discounts only if they order a specific number of S8 copies.

I know that such customs are quite common in USA comic market where publishers "forcefeed" bookstores with their large release numbers but the bookstores sit on the comics and can't sell them to the customers. But I didn't knew that something like that also happens in Japan's manga market. Is this something new or did something like that happens regularly over there as well?

 

[westabyss]

I haven't said anything about S8 yet because a lot of people are just throwing assumptions out there like the editor of Naruto would've saved this Manga etc. Its all baseless and lets just stay with the facts. This is like 4chan tier how this discussion is going.
Im also not a fan of S8 and dropped the Manga after like 7 chapters but some users here are extremely biased regarding the Manga and should look at it from a more objective perspective. If i don't like a Manga, i'll just drop it and read something else, instead of wasting even more energy on it. What are you gaining from Samurai 8 failing? Nothing really.

I think one thing we should all agree on, is that the sales are lackluster. Especially if you compare it to other veterans. I think its weird that Ohba / Obata can carry more of their audience over to their new series than Kishimoto can. Can the sales grow? Of course they can but lets just focus on why initial reception is so bad.

Lets ask questions like 'Why is the Manga failing?', 'Why isn't Kishimoto connecting with his audience?', 'Is it because SF in general is just a thing that used to popular in the past?", "Did the western fandom overrate the popularity of Kishimoto in Japan? Did people just buy Naruto because its Naruto and not because its from Kishimoto?" "Is it too old-fashioned? Especially if we compare the protagonist to characters like Denji, Itadori.."

As an outsider its hard to really pinpoint the reasons why the Manga is failing. I was thinking of a 100k+ debut with keeping at least like 10% of the Naruto readership while also gaining some new readers but that is far off.

 

[Xzone]

I may be in the minority, but I don't actually like the battles in Kimetsu much. My favourite parts of the series are the antics between arcs, and they never last long enough! Would love to see Gotouge try something like Sket Dance/Gintama though. Her handling of character interactions is some of the best in Jump, and she's great with comedy too.

I actually feel doing a battle shounen, especially one like Kimetsu where a lot of time is spent developing villains who'll soon be lost from the story, is kind of a waste and writing against her strengths.

The battles are good, is like Hinomaru and jujutsu, it began rought and slowly improve.
But something like gintama would work, that one shot gotouge wrote wasn't that far for a gintama-like series.

 

[Arjuna]

To be honest my honest feeling is Spy X Family deserves to sell more than Black clover,BC has been lot uninteresting recently to me, especially Julius coming back to life .

Just my personal opinion though.

 

[NeeNeen]

It's very depressing, but I don't have much reaction to it sadly.

Spoiler

We started digging into his character just 1 chapter ago, the suicide plan took over few panels, it was all even timeskiped...it sadly leaves more of "what just happened?" rather than sadness.

I'm confused as well. Was that a timeskip? If so, why is the background black? Why is the butler there if he got fired? And if it's a flashback (visiting the father's grave), then why is the date 2020?

Mitama Secureity has been so far pretty funny to me, each chapter is better and funnier than the one before specially when you get used and understand each character's personality and their job to make the jokes work.

If anything the fact that Manga Plus comments about the manga got from "what is this shit? Is so bad" to "This manga just gets better and better and is super funny now" shows the improvement.

Sorry, but I have to disagree there.

The 1st chapter of Mitama had almost a 100 comments on M+. Chapter 5 (last week) had 14.

Yeah, the comments got 'better', but it's not because the people who hated it are liking it better now. It's because 85% of the initial readers bailed and only the few people that liked it are left.

(But those people seem to like it a lot. It's funny how divided opinions on this series are.)

Just missed it because it's a throwaway line, but TSS outright said its the "final mission".

Cancellation flag, begin...

Final mission of the exam.

Just because the (mini-)arc is ending doesn't mean the series is over. (It could be, but this isn't proof.)

JUMP FESTA'20 (Dec 21-22)

Super Stages (more to be announced)

- One Piece
- Haikyu!!
- My Hero Academia
- Kimetsu no Yaiba
- The Promised Neverland
- Black Clover
- Dr Stone

So weird to see Yugi and Senku next to each other.

But is it me, or is Ichigo not there? Kinda surprised to see one of the Big 3 missing...

 

[sakuratt91]

Well, I got a question in regards to Jump sale directive because I wanna know if it's true or not:

I read that Jump forced Bookstores in Japan to get a lot more of Samurai 8 than they had originally ordered. Like if they order 150 KnY they got 90 and the other 60 were S8. Or that they cannot send the copies they don't want back to Jump. Or that they get discounts only if they order a specific number of S8 copies.

I know that such customs are quite common in USA comic market where publishers "forcefeed" bookstores with their large release numbers but the bookstores sit on the comics and can't sell them to the customers. But I didn't knew that something like that also happens in Japan's manga market. Is this something new or did something like that happens regularly over there as well?

I think it's a rumor. But what Kimetsu sold out and Samurai 8 still has a lot in the stores make people believe this rumor is true.

 

[RafGL]

Sorry, but I have to disagree there.

The 1st chapter of Mitama had almost a 100 comments on M+. Chapter 5 (last week) had 14.

Yeah, the comments got 'better', but it's not because more people are liking the series now. It's because 85% of the initial readers bailed and only the few people that liked it are left.

(But those people seem to like it a lot. It's funny how divided opinions on this series are.)

FYI, views have been decreasing from 10k on first chapter to hardly more than 4k at this point.

 

[Ctkk]

I'm confused as well. Was that a timeskip? If so, why is the background black? Why is the butler there if he got fired? And if it's a flashback (visiting the father's grave), then why is the date 2020?




Sorry, but I have to disagree there.

The 1st chapter of Mitama had almost a 100 comments on M+. Chapter 5 (last week) had 14.

Yeah, the comments got 'better', but it's not because the people who hated it are liking it better now. It's because 85% of the initial readers bailed and only the few people that liked it are left.

(But those people seem to like it a lot. It's funny how divided opinions on this series are.)




Final mission of the exam.

Just because the (mini-)arc is ending doesn't mean the series is over. (It could be, but this isn't proof.)





So weird to see Yugi and Senku next to each other.

But is it me, or is Ichigo not there? Kinda surprised to see one of the Big 3 missing...

Boruto's dad isn't there either.

 

[OtterBrigade]

But is it me, or is Ichigo not there? Kinda surprised to see one of the Big 3 missing...

wasn't there last year either https://cineverso.acidspainnetwork.tv/jump-festa-2019-revela-los-paneles-principales/ or 2017 https://www.alertageekchile.cl/2017/12/16/las-novedades-de-la-jump-festa-2018/

can't find a similar promo image for 2016

 

[NeeNeen]

Well, I got a question in regards to Jump sale directive because I wanna know if it's true or not:

I read that Jump forced Bookstores in Japan to get a lot more of Samurai 8 than they had originally ordered. Like if they order 150 KnY they got 90 and the other 60 were S8. Or that they cannot send the copies they don't want back to Jump. Or that they get discounts only if they order a specific number of S8 copies.

I know that such customs are quite common in USA comic market where publishers "forcefeed" bookstores with their large release numbers but the bookstores sit on the comics and can't sell them to the customers. But I didn't knew that something like that also happens in Japan's manga market. Is this something new or did something like that happens regularly over there as well?

It's unlikely that Jump 'forced' them to take more than they ordered, since you can't just send a bookstore stuff they didn't ask for and expect them to pay for it. What is possible is that Jump offered them a good deal if they bought a lot of volumes and the bookstores (the head office) agreed, even though they know they probably won't sell them all.

As for returning the unsold copies, they probably aren't allowed to send them back yet. There's usually a time stamp on books, and you can only send them back after a certain time (in our bookstore this was 6 months, don't know about Japan).

Not getting enough Kimetsu is probably unrelated, if there aren't enough copies to fulfill all the orders, the copies they do have will be spread over as many bookstores as possible, so every store will get a bit less than they ordered.

FYI, views have been decreasing from 10k on first chapter to hardly more than 4k at this point.

And falling. It was at 30865 before the new chapter dropped yesterday, and it's at 32835 now. I doubt it'll reach 3k.

 

[Jovan]

I'm confused as well. Was that a timeskip? If so, why is the background black? Why is the butler there if he got fired? And if it's a flashback (visiting the father's grave), then why is the date 2020?

It is a timeskip for Taisei.

Spoiler

The grave says Meguru Dodo (with small words and an asterisk), and he is the one who was playing against MC in this last chapter. His name was stated in Ch.19 multiple times. Meguru fired the butler because he was going to kill himself I think, and the butler cared for him after all. Essentially he is breaking him as well from the cycle in a way.

 

[NeeNeen]

Boruto's dad isn't there either.

Now that you mention it, those are both the kid. I totally thought one of them was dad.

Btw, why is Luffy there thrice?

It is a timeskip for Taisei.

Spoiler

The grave says Meguru Dodo (with small words and an asterisk), and he is the one who was playing against MC in this last chapter. His name was stated in Ch.19 multiple times. Meguru fired the butler because he was going to kill himself I think, and the butler cared for him after all.

But they spend half the chapter stressing how identical every member of the family is, so it's totally possible his dad had the same name.

 

[Jovan]

But they spend half the chapter stressing how identical every member of the family is, so it's totally possible his dad had the same name.

I doubt the dad had 80+ years and died (and it would be random for the MC to go to a grave of his opponent's dad or grandpa), there is also a mention of "breaking the cycle" at the end and Meguru himself stated that he is gonna die from that poison pill around after the match anyway. Also the year 2020.

 

[Halloween]

So in regards to Chainsawman being on the Jump Festa poster thing, what are we realistically expecting?

Would they already give it a seasonal anime, or is it more likely a OVA type thing?

 

[OtterBrigade]

So in regards to Chainsawman being on the Jump Festa poster thing, what are we realistically expecting?

Would they already give it a seasonal anime, or is it more likely a OVA type thing?

Last year's had stuff with no anime announcement (I posted links on previous page because image uploads keep failing for me for some reason) with Jigokuraku being a prime example. I don't think it means anything other than what they want to promote.