Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2019] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[TyVip]

just set the limit to 7-8 chapters, that would be enough content for 1 volume, also that's 8 weeks/2 months

 

[Halloween]

My one question is this: When would we decide that a new series is old or established enough for it to not be talked about in-depth here? Would it be if it ends up being clear that the manga won't flop, or would a certain amount of time (or a certain amount of chapters) have to be released before? Especially since we have series that are going to be axed but are in the magazine for longer than usual.

I think until we're reasonably certain it'll survive. For instance, Yozakura is on the fence in that regard, so for the time being, it'll be on-topic to discuss it. Stuff like Chainsawman will definitely survive.

Samurai 8, despite the sales and ToC positions, will also likely survive for at least a year or more.

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just set the limit to 7-8 chapters, that would be enough content for 1 volume, also that's 8 weeks/2 months

But then you run the risk of an RxL situation. Fantastic first volume sales, but ultimately ended up canned after that. Three volumes worth seems more logical, TBH.

 

[TyVip]

I think until we're reasonably certain it'll survive. For instance, Yozakura is on the fence in that regard, so for the time being, it'll be on-topic to discuss it. Stuff like Chainsawman will definitely survive.

Samurai 8, despite the sales and ToC positions, will also likely survive for at least a year or more.

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But then you run the risk of an RxL situation. Fantastic first volume sales, but ultimately ended up canned after that. Two volumes worth seems more logical, TBH.

In my opinion, you should allow new series from the new batch to be discuss here UNTIL the next batch come (with at least 2 series), then they should be in their own discussion, and we don't have to wait that long either
Higuma to Saiyuki
14-3 = ~11 weeks
Tokyo Shinobi Squad to Yozakura Family
39-27 = ~12 weeks

so if you go with this approach then miitama, yozakura family, and dr stone spin off are allowed here. This is strictly talking about content discussion, sales discussion from old series should be allowed also.

 

[Halloween]

In my opinion, you should allow new series from the new batch to be discuss here UNTIL the next batch come (with at least 2 series), then they should be in their own discussion, and we don't have to wait that long either
Higuma to Saiyuki
14-3 = ~11 weeks
Tokyo Shinobi Squad to Yozakura Family
39-27 = ~12 weeks

so if you go with this approach then miitama, yozakura family, and dr stone spin off are allowed here. This is strictly talking about content discussion, sales discussion from old series should be allowed also.

That's not that far off from the two volumes thing I mentioned earlier. I don't want the topic to devolve into discussion on what counts as new. So, I'll make the distinction now.

Within THREE volumes is considered new and can be discussed here (with spoiler tags). Anything beyond that will be considered off-topic. And by three volumes, I mean when the third volume is released, not when a series reaches X number of chapters.

 

[Heiji]

Act-age : Vol 1-8 : 1 900 000.

 

[TiC]

I think there should also be an exception so that series that seem close to ending can be discussed (in spoiler tags of course). Because a manga ending is pertinent to discussion of the magazine as a whole, it could indicate a new round may start up or we could talk about how something ending may wind up saving another series. So if endgame developments are occurring we can talk in spoiler tahs about how close we think it is to ending, etc.

 

[Halloween]

I think there should also be an exception so that series that seem close to ending can be discussed (in spoiler tags of course). Because a manga ending is pertinent to discussion of the magazine as a whole, it could indicate a new round may start up or we could talk about how something ending may wind up saving another series. So if endgame developments are occurring we can talk in spoiler tahs about how close we think it is to ending, etc.

No. If there's an announcement that a series has X amount of chapters left, that's fine, and can be discussed. Discussing specific plot details needs to be in specific threads/sections, regardless if the series is potentially close to ending.

You can always say you think a series is close to ending, and discuss potential new serialization rounds based on that assumption. Just don't discuss plot specifics.

I realize this may seem unfair, but there's a lot of series currently that "could be ending" and the topicality rule would be mostly pointless.

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

Taisei is like a good example about how it doesn't matter if you improve your manga a lot, readers will probably still not support you, which is a shame, because what is the point of working and improving your manga if will still be ignored?

TSS was fast paced but i kinda liked the chapter, despite everything i still think Jin is a really cool main character with a great design, it sucks that the rest is just generic.

Beast Children looks like is totally ending, so i don't know what this new development is supposed to be, these last two chapters were totally "axe bait". Still nice chapter.

Samurai 8 was good, Kishi did quite the good plot twist, i really didn't see that coming, it was nicely done.

Yozakura had a good chapter, at first i was kinda "okay..." with the game thing but it really became funnier after.

Mitama Secureity was really good, is incredible to see how good this manga is getting, the humor was on point and it actually had some dramatic moments and the revelation at the end was great, looking forward to next chapter.

 

[Thores]

Within two volumes is considered new and can be discussed here (with spoiler tags). Anything beyond that will be considered off-topic. And by two volumes, I mean when the second volume is released, not when a series reaches 14~ chapters.

So TSS, Beast Children, and Double Taisei would all be disqualified from plot discussion under these rules, since their second volumes all released this past week.

However, all three series are considered to be on the verge of cancellation by most of the forum, and don't have their own threads. Would you recommend that we make threads for these series if we want to discuss them further, or is discussion here still okay since their continued existence is still a big question mark?

Tangentially, when a series is no longer eligible for plot discussion, would it be okay to link to the related thread in this thread, so people can move discussion there? I feel like there's a lot of MH posters that more or less frequent the WSJ thread exclusively, myself included, so it might help for some of us to be guided to places that have relevant discussion once it's no longer relevant in this specific thread.

Also I support this rule change and think it's a really good call! I don't know if this is the entire intended effect, but it encourages us to actually use the rest of the forum, which is nice.

 

[Halloween]

However, all three series are considered to be on the verge of cancellation by most of the forum, and don't have their own threads.

Ding ding ding! You got it.

Those series are reasonably certain to be axed. Because of this, I'll allow continued discussion on them.

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Tangentially, when a series is no longer eligible for plot discussion, would it be okay to link to the related thread in this thread, so people can move discussion there? I feel like there's a lot of MH posters that more or less frequent the WSJ thread exclusively, myself included, so it might help for some of us to be guided to places to have relevant discussion once it's no longer relevant in this specific thread.

Literally typing the series name and mangahelper into Google would probably solve that issue.

 

[Thores]

Ding ding ding! You got it.

Those series are reasonably certain to be axed. Because of this, I'll allow continued discussion on them.

Thanks for the clarification! In that case, would three volumes make more sense as a cutoff point, since serialization rounds tend to be a little longer under Nakano, even for axes?

Literally typing the series name and mangahelper into Google would probably solve that issue.

Hell, using the Mangahelper search bar and clicking "search for titles only" is even easier. So that's not a bad point.

That said, sometimes some explicit direction/encouragement helps? Like, I have all the tools to further explore the forum at my disposal, and yet I've barely ventured outside my Watched list up till now. I'm just wondering if I'm not the only person like that, and if it would help spread the forum's activity if we even only did that once per series.

 

[101nemesis]

Moderator Notice:


I'm quoting this post to highlight an issue the upper staff and myself have had in regards to the topicality of this thread.

We're of the opinion that posts like this one aren't actually on-topic, and are more suited for those series' specific threads/sections.

The point of this topic is to discuss the ToC, volume sales and the health of the magazine. Now, that's not to say all specific series discussion is outright prohibited, but the discussion really does need to be focused in an overall sense, and be pertaining to the magazine itself.

So, for instance, mentioning a timeskip, when a new series starts up or when a series is cancelled, or if a series is selling well/poorly, or if a final arc is announced, or when a series gets anime information, is on-topic. But specific plot discussion or specific series' praise/criticisms is off-topic, and is better served in that series' thread/section.

Now, having said that, I will allow new series discussion (so long as it's spoiler tagged) in here. I know this may upset some, but this thread really isn't meant to be a general discussion hub for all things WSJ. This thread has a specific purpose, and this unchecked topicality has been going on for a very long time. I hope you guys understand.~ Buranchi

I felt this way about some discussions here related to TPN and KNY but since no mod mentioned anything, i just didn't mention anything.

Think you should sticky this along with the TOC post just so that people who are viewing this thread two days from now and just skip to the last page to see whats the latest discussion can also see this.

 

[Halloween]

Thanks for the clarification. In that case, would three volumes make more sense as a cutoff point, since serialization rounds tend to be a little longer under Nakano, even for axes?

*sigh*

Yes, okay. Three volumes. There, everyone happy?

Hell, using the Mangahelper search bar and clicking "search for titles only" is even easier. So that's not a bad point.

That said, sometimes some explicit direction/encouragement helps? Like, I have all the tools to further explore the forum at my disposal, and yet I've barely ventured outside my Watched list up till now. I'm just wondering if I'm not the only person like that, and it would help spread the forum's activity if we even only did that once per series.

I'll consider adding something like that in the 2020 thread. Probably in the opening post.

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Think you should sticky this along with the TOC post just so that people who are viewing this thread two days from now and just skip to the last page to see whats the latest discussion can also see this.

There needs to be a trend of issues before a sticky is applied.

Basically, we'll cross that bridge when we get to it.

 

[Thores]

Since Double Taisei discussion is still okay in this thread...

I found the author comment this week really funny:

Fukuda is literally making up rules for the shogi tournament in his setting.

It's so funny and bizarre to keep reading a series that presents istelf as a sports manga, except the author barely cares about the sport he's writing about. On one hand it was really frustrating to me at first, but the more that shogi has been treated as an afterthought, the funnier the series has gotten.

 

[Konja9]

Taisei is like a good example about how it doesn't matter if you improve your manga a lot, readers will probably still not support you, which is a shame, because what is the point of working and improving your manga if will still be ignored?

The point to of working and improving your story is usually to try to attract the readers and make them support you.

Maybe the author can not get this, even if he improves his story a lot. After all, there are stories that won't attract readers no matter how good they are.

 

[Ryuusei]

Shoseki Daily Ranking - 11/01

#1 Haikyuu!! 40
#3 Dr. Stone 13
#4 We Never Learn 14
#9 Hana Nochi Hare 14
#11 Haikyuu-bu!! 1
#48 Mato Seihei no Slave 3
#70 Koigoku no Toshi 1
#76 Hidarikiki no Eren 10
#79 Heart Gear 2
#88 Koro-sensei Q 5
#91 Melt Away! Mizore-chan 4
#141 Hachurui-chan wa Idakanai 1
#164 Tokyo Shinobi Squad 2
#228 Hina Change 1
#250 Double Taisei 2
#325 The Last Saiyuki 3
#326 Kaibutsu Shoujo wa Hatsukoi no Yume wo Miru ka? 1
#366 Moon Land 4
#405 Beast Children 2

 

[Thores]

Taisei is like a good example about how it doesn't matter if you improve your manga a lot, readers will probably still not support you, which is a shame, because what is the point of working and improving your manga if will still be ignored?

While I agree that it's a shame, there is still a point to doing this in the Jump environment ; if Shueisha sees the quality in your work when you get axed, they'll be more likely to fast-track you on developing a new series for the magazine. We're probably saying goodbye to Taisei soon, but I'm really confident we'll see Fukuda again within the next 2 years.

 

[Koni]

Shoseki Daily Ranking - 11/01

#1 Haikyuu!! 40
#3 Dr. Stone 13
#4 We Never Learn 14
#9 Hana Nochi Hare 14
#11 Haikyuu-bu!! 1
#48 Mato Seihei no Slave 3
#70 Koigoku no Toshi 1
#76 Hidarikiki no Eren 10
#79 Heart Gear 2
#88 Koro-sensei Q 5
#91 Melt Away! Mizore-chan 4
#141 Hachurui-chan wa Idakanai 1
#164 Tokyo Shinobi Squad 2
#228 Hina Change 1
#250 Double Taisei 2
#325 The Last Saiyuki 3
#326 Kaibutsu Shoujo wa Hatsukoi no Yume wo Miru ka? 1
#366 Moon Land 4
#405 Beast Children 2

Well, so much for Beast Children selling more than the other two...
It's funny, nobody's really talking about Tokyo Shinobi Squad nearly as much as Double Taisei or even Beast Children, yet it's on track to be the best-selling out of the flops. Again.

Mato Seihei starts off in the Top 50, which is nice. Was able to dig a bit into the Great Wall of Yaiba Backlogs, if only for a day.
Koi Goku and Heart Gear look like they're doing okay. Hopefully the drops aren't too steep.
I feel as if Mizore-chan is doing just enough to survive, but I'm not sure. I still need to get used to what Jump+ standards for survival might be.
Not looking good for Hina Change, though, and well, Moon Land's counting down to cancellation at this point.

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

All of them are doing very bad, charting worse than their first volume, specially Beast Children, v1 of Beast Children started at 161th while v2 started at 405th!!!

 

[Aipom626]

Shoseki Daily Ranking - 11/01

#1 Haikyuu!! 40
#3 Dr. Stone 13
#4 We Never Learn 14
#9 Hana Nochi Hare 14
#11 Haikyuu-bu!! 1
#48 Mato Seihei no Slave 3
#70 Koigoku no Toshi 1
#76 Hidarikiki no Eren 10
#79 Heart Gear 2
#88 Koro-sensei Q 5
#91 Melt Away! Mizore-chan 4
#141 Hachurui-chan wa Idakanai 1
#164 Tokyo Shinobi Squad 2
#228 Hina Change 1
#250 Double Taisei 2
#325 The Last Saiyuki 3
#326 Kaibutsu Shoujo wa Hatsukoi no Yume wo Miru ka? 1
#366 Moon Land 4
#405 Beast Children 2

Does anyone have what the 3 newbies' Day 1 sales were for their first volumes?