Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2019] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[Jovan]

Shoseki estimated sales numbers for some of the newbies that were in the magazine this year. David 4, Ne0lation 2/3, Saiyuki, Jimoto, Taisei and Beast never charted on weekly rankings. Number of days are in "( )".

│*2749 (5)│-------│-------│-------┃2,749 (*5)｜Tokyo Shinobi Squad 1

│*5325 (4)│-------│-------│-------┃5,325 (*4)｜Kamio Yui wa Kami wo Yui 1
│*4777 (5)│-------│-------│-------┃4,777 (*5)｜Kamio Yui wa Kami wo Yui 2

│*4332 (4)│-------│-------│-------┃4,332 (*4)｜Gokutei Higuma 1
│*4169 (6)│-------│-------│-------┃4,169 (*6)｜Gokutei Higuma 2
│*2385 (3)│-------│-------│-------┃2,385 (*3)｜Gokutei Higuma 3

│*2009 (4)│-------│-------│-------┃2,009 (*4)｜ne0lation 1

│*3676 (3)│6814│-------│-------┃6,814 (*10)｜Shishunki Renaissance David-kun! 1
│*4064 (7)│-------│-------│-------┃4,064 (*7)｜Shishunki Renaissance David-kun! 2
│*2348 (6)│-------│-------│-------┃2,348 (*6)｜Shishunki Renaissance David-kun! 3

 

[Roacher]

Somebody know more about this topic or that false?

 

[RafGL]

Shoseki estimated sales numbers for some of the newbies that were in the magazine this year. David 4, Ne0lation 2/3, Saiyuki, Jimoto, Taisei and Beast never charted on weekly rankings. Number of days are in "( )".

│*2749 (5)│-------│-------│-------┃2,749 (*5)｜Tokyo Shinobi Squad 1

│*5325 (4)│-------│-------│-------┃5,325 (*4)｜Kamio Yui wa Kami wo Yui 1
│*4777 (5)│-------│-------│-------┃4,777 (*5)｜Kamio Yui wa Kami wo Yui 2

│*4332 (4)│-------│-------│-------┃4,332 (*4)｜Gokutei Higuma 1
│*4169 (6)│-------│-------│-------┃4,169 (*6)｜Gokutei Higuma 2
│*2385 (3)│-------│-------│-------┃2,385 (*3)｜Gokutei Higuma 3

│*2009 (4)│-------│-------│-------┃2,009 (*4)｜ne0lation 1

│*3676 (3)│6814│-------│-------┃6,814 (*10)｜Shishunki Renaissance David-kun! 1
│*4064 (7)│-------│-------│-------┃4,064 (*7)｜Shishunki Renaissance David-kun! 2
│*2348 (6)│-------│-------│-------┃2,348 (*6)｜Shishunki Renaissance David-kun! 3

I guess those that are behind 2k copies don't rank. Still would like to know those numbers.

 

[westabyss]

Somebody know more about this topic or that false?

The quote with women don't have the 'heart of the boy' seems older to me because i think i've seen it once

 

[Jovan]

Since Act-Age Vol 1's early weeks never charted on Oricon, Shoseki is here! It performed surprisingly well for a debut manga from unknown mangakas.

│13101 (5)│ 18335 │ 21174 │ 23471┃23,471 (*26)｜act-age 1

 

[Aeneas]

Somebody know more about this topic or that false?

Huh. Just realized this. Has there never been a female editor, ever?

 

[Paze]

Somebody know more about this topic or that false?

I doubt twitter will consider this because now a days people are quick to outrage, but just because someone says something like that, that doesn't mean they refuse to hire female editors like people are assuming, he could mean his speculation as to why no or few women applying of be editors and that's why they don't have female editors.

Possibly related, Kazenshuu translated an interview with Torishima, and he said as editor and chief he tried to make the editorial department more coed, even though they didn't have female editors.

 

[animeexpert]

Shoseki estimated sales numbers for some of the newbies that were in the magazine this year. David 4, Ne0lation 2/3, Saiyuki, Jimoto, Taisei and Beast never charted on weekly rankings. Number of days are in "( )".

│*2749 (5)│-------│-------│-------┃2,749 (*5)｜Tokyo Shinobi Squad 1

│*5325 (4)│-------│-------│-------┃5,325 (*4)｜Kamio Yui wa Kami wo Yui 1
│*4777 (5)│-------│-------│-------┃4,777 (*5)｜Kamio Yui wa Kami wo Yui 2

│*4332 (4)│-------│-------│-------┃4,332 (*4)｜Gokutei Higuma 1
│*4169 (6)│-------│-------│-------┃4,169 (*6)｜Gokutei Higuma 2
│*2385 (3)│-------│-------│-------┃2,385 (*3)｜Gokutei Higuma 3

│*2009 (4)│-------│-------│-------┃2,009 (*4)｜ne0lation 1

│*3676 (3)│6814│-------│-------┃6,814 (*10)｜Shishunki Renaissance David-kun! 1
│*4064 (7)│-------│-------│-------┃4,064 (*7)｜Shishunki Renaissance David-kun! 2
│*2348 (6)│-------│-------│-------┃2,348 (*6)｜Shishunki Renaissance David-kun! 3

Seeing the sales, higuma or even david should've stayed than the big 3 batch flops..

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

Well, you can apply the same logic for a man being editor of a shoujo manga, is quite obvious that a female editor will understand 100% times more what young girls wants in a shoujo series, the difference is that you will not see anyone complaining about it on twitter kkkk

#164 -> #320 Tokyo Shinobi Squad 2
#250 -> >#500 Double Taisei 2
#325 -> >#500 The Last Saiyuki 3
#405 -> >#500 Beast Children 2

Quite sad seeing all the newbies bombing hard as fuck on volume 2, not even a 2nd day for the new Taisei volume? is exactly when the manga gets good with the Tendo Era being introduced =/

 

[Aipom626]

Quite sad seeing all the newbies bombing hard as fuck on volume 2, not even a 2nd day for the new Taisei volume? is exactly when the manga gets good with the Tendo Era being introduced =/

Yeah, this puts the nail in the coffin to show how important it is to hook someone with the first few chapters. It is much harder for the average person to drop a series they've been following for a while if they think they already have a significant time commitment invested, but they won't want to risk catching up on a series that gets better if the start was too rough. It's such a shame that no one came back to it since Sei and the Tendo Era kids are all such interesting characters, with the slight exception of Dodo who I think had to have his arc rushed due to the impending ax

 

[ruggia]

you can apply the same logic for a man being editor of a shoujo manga

Male editor in a shoujo magazine isn't even rare. Heck most editor in chiefs of shoujo magazines are male.

 

[Thores]

Well, you can apply the same logic for a man being editor of a shoujo manga, is quite obvious that a female editor will understand 100% times more what young girls wants in a shoujo series, the difference is that you will not see anyone complaining about it on twitter kkkk

The editor in chief of Ribon, Shuiesha's longest running shoujo magazine, is a man.

 

[Konja9]

Male editor in a shoujo magazine isn't even rare. Heck most editor in chiefs of shoujo magazines are male.

I think I heard about that.

Male writers are extremely rare in Shoujo, but not male editors.

 

[ruggia]

The editor in chief of Ribon, Shuiesha's longest running shoujo magazine, is a man.

And not just any man, he's Aida Souichi. He was in Jump right until he got shipped to Ribon as their new editor in chief. He's the one that started Bo Bo Bo, Reborn, and Bakuman.

 

[Halloween]

Everyone, while I understand the discussion on female editors in WSJ is an important issue, the discussion on shoujo is starting to become off-topic.

Let's please course correct. Thank you.

 

[Thores]

To circle back around to the relevant topic: your gender doesn't determine whether or not you're capable of figuring out what a demographic wants. That remains true even if you're not part of the target demographic.

And I think the main reason we briefly veered off into shojo territory is to make this point: if men can successfully be editors of magazines that target a female demographic, women shouldn't be denied the opportunity to be editors on WSJ because they don't understand boy hearts or whatever. Just like men have overseen projects targeting girls that were successes, a WSJ manga that targets boys could possibly even benefit from a female perspective. Given how many major flops are currently in circulation at the magazine with an all-male editorial staff, it's hard to imagine what they'd have to lose by hiring a female editor at present.

 

[supercow297]

To circle back around to the relevant topic: your gender doesn't determine whether or not you're capable of figuring out what a demographic wants. That remains true even if you're not part of the target demographic.

And I think the main reason we briefly veered off into shojo territory is to make this point: if men can successfully be editors of magazines that target a female demographic, women shouldn't be denied the opportunity to be editors on WSJ because they don't understand boy hearts or whatever. Just like men have overseen projects targeting girls that were successes, a WSJ manga that targets boys could possibly even benefit from a female perspective. Given how many major flops are currently in circulation at the magazine with an all-male editorial staff, it's hard to imagine what they'd have to lose by hiring a female editor at present.

I agree entirely but remember that the notion that female editors are denied entry or given more barriers to entry into editorial positions in magazines for male demographics is nothing but hearsay and rumors. Without any more to go on we have no reason to assume any prejudice is at hand, just like how in the most gender-bias-free countries of the world, men tend towards some jobs while women tend towards others.

 

[pamuchi]

I think it would be good to have a female and male editor at the same time, to work as a whole, that creates a better understanding about its readers. (since jump is read from the two sides).

 

[Halloween]

I agree entirely but remember that the notion that female editors are denied entry or given more barriers to entry into editorial positions in magazines for male demographics is nothing but hearsay and rumors. Without any more to go on we have no reason to assume any prejudice is at hand

In WSJ, can you name any female editors? You said magazines, but I'm not concerned about the other magazines, since this topic is about WSJ specifically.

 

[Paze]

Equal Employment Opportunity Law (Japan) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It's probably illegal for them to refuse to accept applications from women just because they're women.

It also doesn't make sense why they would refuse to hire female editors for shonen manga but would hire female artists and writers for shonen manga.

Actually now that I think about it, I recall MHA vigilantes had a female editor at some point. Though it wasn't WSJ it was still a jump shonen magazine and Vigs was featured in wsj I believe.