Fantasy Jacob vs Wraith

[IamtherealMirajane]

Dorma Anim still isn't stronger than Acnologia because it was defeated by Natsu, Gajeel, and Wendy. A myth where people don't even know the details isn't proof that Dorma Anim can blow up a planet. At best it sucked the world of it's magical power and caused some damage to the floating country of Extalia.

You do realize that nothing in the manga contradicts what the anime is telling us about how Mirajane fought Jacob right? There literally isn't a single panel of Mirajane ever using her takeover against Jacob prior to the final exchange. I'm not headcannoning anything. I'm simply taking the anime's interpretation over your interpretation that Mirajane fought extensively against Jacob with her takeover. There's no evidence whatsoever from the manga that she did so.

Mirajane fought Jacob without a takeover from chapters 496 to chapter 504. That's the entire duration of Gray's fight with Invel, Natsu's fight with Neinhart, Lucy's fight with Brandish, Natsu knocking out Brandish, and the whole fiasco with Dimaria. We're midway through Natsu's fight with Gray, and Makarov has used Fairy Law....and we still see panels of Mirajane still not using her takeover. If Jacob can't knock out Mirajane without any takeovers in all this time, he's not knocking out any version of Natsu. You can take Natsu after his fight with Zeref where he is completely exhausted, and Jacob still wouldn't take him out.

Okay you are underestimating Mirajane in her human form. Even without take over Mirajane is very durable and she can fight.

●Remember Seilah limit release form did not even knock out Mirajane in her human form despite her continous assault. Mirajane was able to muster an energy to take over Seilah's curse.

●During her fight with Kamika, Mirajane was able to withstand consecutive spells from God Paper Magic, receiving absolutely no injury from fire, ice, lightning, and even poison; commenting that Kamika's lightning paper was nothing compared to Laxus Dreyar's attacks.

● Mirajane even without the aide of Satan Soul was able to appear behind and surprise a monologuing Azuma with a charged punch which released a little bit of Magic Power. She even took a direct hit from Azuma's explosion before she used her Satan Soul.

● She even Knock out Wall's Robot who specialize in "Brute Strength".


Back to Wraith Vs Jacob

Jacob , among spriggans (excluding August and Irene) is the bad match up for Wraith.

Even without using his transport, Jacob can use his "Stealth". I doubt Wraith can use the attack he used against Natsu since Jacob can erase his existence.

 

[Axiomus]

Okay you are underestimating Mirajane in her human form. Even without take over Mirajane is very durable and she can fight.

●Remember Seilah limit release form did not even knock out Mirajane in her human form despite her continous assault. Mirajane was able to muster an energy to take over Seilah's curse.

●During her fight with Kamika, Mirajane was able to withstand consecutive spells from God Paper Magic, receiving absolutely no injury from fire, ice, lightning, and even poison; commenting that Kamika's lightning paper was nothing compared to Laxus Dreyar's attacks.

● Mirajane even without the aide of Satan Soul was able to appear behind and surprise a monologuing Azuma with a charged punch which released a little bit of Magic Power. She even took a direct hit from Azuma's explosion before she used her Satan Soul.

● She even Knock out Wall's Robot who specialize in "Brute Strength".

No, I'm not lol. None of what you just said is even the least bit slightly impressive.

1) Seilah's limit release oneshotted Mirajane out of her Sitri form. The fact that Mirajane wasn't knocked out doesn't mean much when she couldn't even fight back. Since we're comparing this to Natsu, in the same-arc Natsu was going up against Mard Geer's etherious form. He was literally punching away at his Dea Ygdrssil and Thorns. Natsu put up a better fight against Mard Geer than Mirajane put up against Seilah.

2) Kamika is a fodder. Again, if you want to make a comparison to Natsu, Natsu stomped the leader of Kamika's group, and I actually forgot the guy's name because I don't pay that much attention to fodder. Kamika and the entire group got soloed by Rogue, and Natsu put up a better fight than all of them combined.

3) First of all, when did this even happen? I can't find Mirajane doing this anywhere in the chapters. Secondly, assuming I take you at your word, did the punch even land? Or was it blocked? It sounds like to me Mirajane tried to punch Azuma by sneaking up on him and it didn't even end up doing anything. You said it yourself that Azuma was in a monologue. Why is this supposed to be impressive?

4) Wall's proxy bot itself got oneshotted by Freed. What Mirajane beat was the minions of that proxy bot summoned. To put that in perspective of what that scales to, Gray can solo the entire thunder god tribe without even using his ice. Just the physical stats from his demonization is enough. So again, why is this supposed to be impressive?

 

[WoWfan]

Impressive or no, they are still relative feats of her fighting without Satan Soul, Seilah Limit Release did not one shot Mira at all, she was still standing after that, and she defeated her in human form, and Azuma was taken back by the immens danger she posed even while in human form, and the hit pushed him back a ways

 

[IamtherealMirajane]

No, I'm not lol. None of what you just said is even the least bit slightly impressive.

1) Seilah's limit release oneshotted Mirajane out of her Sitri form. The fact that Mirajane wasn't knocked out doesn't mean much when she couldn't even fight back. Since we're comparing this to Natsu, in the same-arc Natsu was going up against Mard Geer's etherious form. He was literally punching away at his Dea Ygdrssil and Thorns. Natsu put up a better fight against Mard Geer than Mirajane put up against Seilah.

2) Kamika is a fodder. Again, if you want to make a comparison to Natsu, Natsu stomped the leader of Kamika's group, and I actually forgot the guy's name because I don't pay that much attention to fodder. Kamika and the entire group got soloed by Rogue, and Natsu put up a better fight than all of them combined.

3) First of all, when did this even happen? I can't find Mirajane doing this anywhere in the chapters. Secondly, assuming I take you at your word, did the punch even land? Or was it blocked? It sounds like to me Mirajane tried to punch Azuma by sneaking up on him and it didn't even end up doing anything. You said it yourself that Azuma was in a monologue. Why is this supposed to be impressive?

4) Wall's proxy bot itself got oneshotted by Freed. What Mirajane beat was the minions of that proxy bot summoned. To put that in perspective of what that scales to, Gray can solo the entire thunder god tribe without even using his ice. Just the physical stats from his demonization is enough. So again, why is this supposed to be impressive?

But you are arguing that Jacob didnt knock out Mirajane in her Human body when nobody does , Except maybe August by using his laser and Mirajane was tortured first by Irene.

Feat is still a feat on how durable Mirajane human form And she can fight even without the aide of her take over form.

As far as the Wall minions robot is concerns. Gray, Juvia, and Elfman was struggling to them at first.

for your question, Mirajane use it in anime against Azuma, He wonders how Mirajane who he barely felt any Magic Power from, suddenly released an incredible amount of power.


Back to Wraith vs Jacob,

Jacob fought a fresh Natsu, lucy in her stardress, Leo and Makarov. Now imagine if Natsu fought Jacob without Lucy, i think he will lose terribly to Jacob by using his stealth and transport.

Wraith fought Natsu who is basically tired and who almost out of MP.

 

[Axiomus]

But you are arguing that Jacob didnt knock out Mirajane in her Human body when nobody does , Except maybe August and Mirajane was tortured first by Irene.

Feat is still a feat on how durable Mirajane human form is.

As far as the Wall minions robot. Gray, Juvia, and Elfman was struggling at first.

Azuma did. By the way punching Azuma in the back isn't really a feat. The most you can say about Mirajane's durability without a takeover from that fight is that she tanked one of Azuma's blasts. So did Lisanna, so that's not really saying much.

Tanking Kamika is no feat at all. Kamika is fodder incarnate. The only reason I remember her name is because Mirajane fans keep bringing her up to hype Mira. Natsu has tanked way worse even when heavily exhausted.

Gray was barely even trying, Juvia is Lucy tier, and Elfman is mediocre. If Gray is even the slightest bit serious, he can stomp the daylights out of the Raijinshuu, and they beat their minion bots too.

Look, here's a feat that I don't even bother bringing up when arguing for Natsu. It's Natsu stopping Dark Capriccio. Zero is way stronger than the opponents mentioned in your last post, except maybe Seilah. He's at least Jellal's level in terms of magic power, and can match DF Natsu. A weaker version of the attack penetrated Jura's rocks. This feat is far more impressive than beating up Kamika, sucker punching Azuma, or beating up fodder robots. This feat is still trash when compared to Natsu's other feats from the GMG onwards.

Spoiler: Natsu's state before fighting Zero

Spoiler: Natsu stopping dark capriccio

Spoiler: A weaker version of dark capriccio penetrating Jura's rocks

 

[WoWfan]

Natsu fighting Zero is irrelevant because Natsu was on his last legs, and Jellal just helped him out, the situation is not the same.

 

[Axiomus]

Natsu fighting Zero is irrelevant because Natsu was on his last legs, and Jellal just helped him out, the situation is not the same.

I mentioned it specifically because Natsu was on his last legs. Natsu stopped Zero's attack before Jellal helped him out. Every page I just quoted was from before Jellal inteferred.

 

[WoWfan]

It is not as impressive than actually stopping it when he is in better condition which makes your point Irrelevent

 

[IamtherealMirajane]

Azuma did. By the way punching Azuma in the back isn't really a feat. The most you can say about Mirajane's durability without a takeover from that fight is that she tanked one of Azuma's blasts. So did Lisanna, so that's not really saying much.

Tanking Kamika is no feat at all. Kamika is fodder incarnate. The only reason I remember her name is because Mirajane fans keep bringing her up to hype Mira. Natsu has tanked way worse even when heavily exhausted.

Gray was barely even trying, Juvia is Lucy tier, and Elfman is mediocre. If Gray is even the slightest bit serious, he can stomp the daylights out of the Raijinshuu, and they beat their minion bots too.

Look, here's a feat that I don't even bother bringing up when arguing for Natsu. It's Natsu stopping Dark Capriccio. Zero is way stronger than the opponents mentioned in your last post, except maybe Seilah. He's at least Jellal's level in terms of magic power, and can match DF Natsu. A weaker version of the attack penetrated Jura's rocks. This feat is far more impressive than beating up Kamika, sucker punching Azuma, or beating up fodder robots. This feat is still trash when compared to Natsu's other feats from the GMG onwards.

Spoiler: Natsu's state before fighting Zero

Spoiler: Natsu stopping dark capriccio

Spoiler: A weaker version of dark capriccio penetrating Jura's rocks

Oh yes Azuma but that was after Mirajane regained her MP. Remember Mirajane priority at that time was to save lissana. And that was ages ago.




Going back to Jacob and Wraith,

Jacob fought a fresh Natsu, lucy in her stardress, Leo and Makarov. Now imagine if Natsu fought Jacob without Lucy, i think he will lose terribly to Jacob by using his stealth and transport.

Wraith fought Natsu who is basically tired and who almost out of MP. So knocking him out is not impressive at all.

like what i said Jacob is a bad match up for Wraith because of his stealth magic.

 

[Axiomus]

Oh yes Azuma but that was after Mirajane regained her MP. Remember Mirajane priority at that time was to save lissana. And that was ages ago.




Going back to Jacob and Wraith,

Jacob fought a fresh Natsu, lucy in her stardress, Leo and Makarov. Now imagine if Natsu fought Jacob without Lucy, i think he will lose terribly to Jacob by using his stealth and transport.

Wraith fought Natsu who is basically tired and who almost out of MP. So knocking him out is not impressive at all.

like what i said Jacob is a bad match up for Wraith because of his stealth magic.

Obviously Jacob can beat anyone with his transport. Stealth not so much, but transport is OP. Jacob with transport would beat Mirajane too.

Without transport, Jacob isn't coming out on top if he's trading hits with Wraith.

It is not as impressive than actually stopping it when he is in better condition which makes your point Irrelevent

The point is that Natsu even when he's exhausted is stronger than Mirajane without any takeovers. This makes Wraiths attack, which can knock out Natsu, far more impressive than Jacob's onslaught of attacks, all of which combined cannot even seriously injure Mirajane.

 

[IamtherealMirajane]

Obviously Jacob can beat anyone with his transport. Stealth not so much, but transport is OP.

Without transport, Jacob isn't coming out on top if he's trading hits with Wraith.

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The point is that Natsu even when he's exhausted is stronger than Mirajane without any takeovers. The feat doesn't have to be just as good as Natsu at his best.

Well Wraith is not a hand to hand combatant fighter so he will Lose terribly to Jacob since this is Jacob's expertise adding to his stealth magic he can demolish Wraith.

Regarding exhausted Natsu with less MP vs Mirajane w/o take over. I'm not sure though Since there is a little screen time for Mirajane to gauge. But she went toe to toe vs Jacob, who overpowered fresh Natsu. So there it is.

 

[Axiomus]

Well Wraith is not a hand to hand combatant fighter so he will Lose terribly to Jacob since this is Jacob's expertise adding to his stealth magic. Regarding exhausted Natsu with less MP vs Mirajane w/o take over. I'm not sure though sure though. Since there is a little screen time for Mirajane.

Wraith doesn't have to be great at hand to hand combat. His nukes hit way harder than Jacob's attacks. Also, Jacob isn't actually that great of a hand to hand fighter. Yeah he might be more skilled than Natsu when it comes to martial arts, but martial arts is almost irrelevant. Jacob can hit Lucy a dozen times with his attacks, and they still don't do any lasting damage. A single hit from Makarov's titan sends him flying. The only reason Natsu isn't sending Jacob flying is because he held back because they were inside the guild, and simply refused to punch Jacob as hard as Makarov did.

Just how exhausted do you think Gajeel made Natsu? It couldn't possibly have been worse than when Natsu fought Zeref. Natsu is still blocking blasts from Acnologia after that fight. Even with his magic power low, attacks from Natsu's thought projection is still being compared to Madmole. Madmole and Skullion are currently beating Mirajane and Elfman in their fight, and this is with Mirajane using Satan Soul.

 

[IamtherealMirajane]

Wraith doesn't have to be great at hand to hand combat. His nukes hit way harder than the combined total of Jacob's attacks. Also, Jacob isn't actually that great of a hand to hand fighter. Yeah, he might be more skilled than Natsu. But a single hit on the level of Makarov's would send Jacob flying.

Just how exhausted do you think Gajeel made Natsu? It couldn't possibly have been worse than when Natsu fought Zeref. Natsu is still blocking blasts from Acnologia after that fight. Even with his magic power low, attacks from Natsu's thought projection is still being compared to Madmole. Madmole and Skullion are currently beating Mirajane and Elfman in their fight, and this is with Mirajane using Satan Soul.

But can Wraith hit Jacob? While he use his invicibility? I doubt it. Not sure though if Mavis was able to see Jacob while he is invicible to Natsu and Lucy.

 

[Axiomus]

But can Wraith hit Jacob? While he use his invicibility? I doubt it. Not sure though if Mavis was able to see Jacob while he is invicible to Natsu and Lucy.

Wraith can't see Jacob, but anyone can hit Jacob with a large enough AoE attack. Wraith's dragon spirit is at least building level.

 

[IamtherealMirajane]

Wraith can't see Jacob, but anyone can hit Jacob with a large enough AoE attack. Wraith's dragon spirit is at least building level.

Im not sure though but he needs to pin point first the body of his enemy just like what he did to Natsu. Then the explosion will take place.

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[Seven777]

Zero was way stronger than Jellal, he was on another tier. Injured FT characters still have top tier durability, nearly every final boss from every arc in FT is beaten by injured characters, including the two strongest in the series.

 

[WoWfan]

That does not mean anything especially when natsu is still weakened and without means to actually hit Wraith, and when he did wraith was powerless, while Jacob has more impressive feats

also, Jacob is way higher than Building level as he scales to Spriggans

 

[Axiomus]

Im not sure though but he needs to pin point first the body of his enemy just like what he did to Natsu. Then the explosion will take place.

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I don't see why Wraith has to "pin point" anything. He just makes the souls come out in the shape of a dragons, and then the souls explode.

Jacob's attacks are much weaker than any of the other Spriggans. Jacob's attacks are street level at best. They're not even building level. Count the number of times Jacob hits Natsu and Lucy here. He lands no less than 15 times. It still doesn't do any lasting damage, and both Natsu and Lucy are in near optimal shape by the end of it all. Natsu only starts going all out when he leaves the guild, isn't exhausted in the slightest after beating Jacob, and immediately makes plans to take on August. Lucy is still in good enough shape to summon a star dress and spirits, and then follow Natsu into facing August.

Spoiler: 15 of Jacob's punches

A single punch from Makarov not only sends Jacob flying, but it also does more damage to Natsu. Honestly, what do you think happens if Makarov could get 10 free hits on Natsu?

Spoiler: A single punch from Makarov

Spoiler: Natsu taking one of Makarov's punches

....And Makarov's attack power isn't actually all that great. Kyria's roar is actually a somewhat competant attack in that it can oneshot Lucy (and Wendy). This makes it objectively stronger than the sum total of Jacob's entire onslaught of attacks against Lucy. Compare that to what happens when Kyria tries the same roar on Laxus and Jellal. Doesn't even scratch them. Now compare all of that to how Wall's punches send Laxus flying across the streets. Look at how Laxus is coughing up blood after Wall's anti-material laser. Saying that Jacob has comparable attack power to the other Spriggans because "they're all country level" is cringe-worthy to the highest degree. Does anyone here actually think that Jacob can blow up a country with his punches? Does anyone want to tell me with a straight face that Jacob's slaps are as good as Wall's assault mode attacks, let alone his etherion?

Spoiler: Kyria's roar oneshotting Lucy (and Wendy)

Spoiler: Kyria's roar on Laxus

Spoiler: Wall's assault mode attacks on Laxus

 

[WoWfan]

Even then it would not be enough to harm him, and even then, Natsu received even more damage than one punch from possessed Makarov did and that did not do any lasting damage as well, and again, a punch from Makarov is not comparable in both cases based on different versions, with Makarov possessed just punching Natsu down, while Jacob can inflict as much damage and more, and did not even receive any wounds from Makarov's punch, even when making contact with Natsu's standard flames when blocking did not receive any burns.

 

[Axiomus]

Even then it would not be enough to harm him, and even then, Natsu received even more damage than one punch from possessed Makarov did and that did not do any lasting damage as well, and again, a punch from Makarov is not comparable in both cases based on different versions, with Makarov possessed just punching Natsu down, while Jacob can inflict as much damage and more, and did not even receive any wounds from Makarov's punch, even when making contact with Natsu's standard flames when blocking did not receive any burns.

Makarov's punch completely sent Jacob flying. Jacob was flying long enough for Makarov to literally pick up Natsu and throw him. To suggest that Jacob wasn't hurt by that attack is silly. Jacob was hurt by much weaker attacks like Natsu and Lucy's combo kick.

A single punch from possessed Makarov did as much damage to Natsu's thought projection than pretty much all of Jacob's attacks did. Kyria's roar did more damage to Lucy than Jacob's entire assault. Kyria's roar does zero damage to Laxus. Wall's assault mode attacks can make Laxus cough up blood. To put Jacob's slaps on the level of Wall's attacks and scale them together because "they're all country level" is absurd.

Wraiths dragon spirit, by the way, are at least as good as Kyria's roar. That makes it wholly superior to Jacob's slaps. If we exclude transport, the only advantage Jacob has over Wraith is durability. Even then, it's not a huge advantage. Jacob's durability still isn't good enough to no-sell attacks that would knock out Natsu. On the flip side, Wraith doesn't need to be a hand to hand expert or have amazing durability. Jacob's attack power isn't good enough to knock out Lucy, or Mirajane without her takeovers. All Wraith needs to have is durability on the level of Lucy's to endure Jacob's slaps while he spams the field with his soul nukes.