Chapter Tower of God Chapter 459 Spoilers & Discussion

[Turtle hunter]

My guy everyone said the same thing about the last station, bam gonna beat all the rankers cause bam>data z>rankers, when bam is no where near data z in power and skills, you guys need to read the dialogue from the characters, it has all the answers to everything.

That houndbound ranker still wasn't doing his best when he initially attacked bam, cause he was holding back subconsciously, and he fought as seriously as he could but his main power is metamorphosis, so he is still handicapped and bam skills are all high ranker and ranker level, that normal regulars can't execute, he still had a tough time won because of reserve flow control to stop the ranker movement to land a decisive hit with zero wave, which is him channeling his true powers, nothing easy about his win.

Against gado bam couldn't do anything at all, siu said gado didn't want to kill bam just hurt him enough to not interfere further, that exactly what happened in their fight gado said so himself and bam wouldn't be able to scratch him without red t, thorn or not cause the thorn multiples what bam does to an certain extent, while red t has been shown more than capable of taking on high rankers regardless of it's host strength, after bam cut off gado leg he ran and gado chased him, if bam could have killed him why didn't he then? Stop looking down the story and characters, to put bam over the top.

Delete seems stronger than that houndbound imo and bam ain't kallavan, so expecting him to trash him, is weird when we know about his powers and skills,when bam was using loops and zero wave and didn't one shot that houndbound, nor orbxloops could get bam close to doom, and now bam is spamming red t, he is using a lot of strength regardless of thorn or thorn ignition, in a real fight against rankers bam isn't dominating or anything of the sort, too much headcanon.

Why does having raw power equal stronger? Charlie is a rookie ranker and he could have easily killed bam as well, if Yuri didn't send bm, he was gonna attack bam and take the damage until Sharon came then karaka and white showed up, don't leave out the full story.

again bam is powerful but he is not there yet, if he was... it would be obvious cause he would be relying on his basic moves still, like at the start of the season 3, as soon as bam got red t the orb and loops have been put on ice, that alone shows bam isn't as strong as you think he is, cause he developed the loops for kallavan remember that? just a couple chapters ago he is relying mainly on metamorphosis now, the story tells you everything if you care to pay attention to it.

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Bruh wtf are you talking about? Imo Bam is not a ranker get over it, I have stated all my reasons, siu went and made it an issue to separate bam abilities into training and not training, but breaks his own rules by allowing bam to use power up anyway, loops, zero wave and now red t are all above the regular level, so their is no point is acting like the thorn is some big deal now, when bam used to activate it all the time against fodders as well.

again if bam is high ranker strength what does it do for the story? Just you guys gloating about how he is the bestest ever nothing more.

As I have said siu is consistent with bam powers and limits, he fights like how I expect and the fights play out like they should, you guys see bam put a scratch on a wounded kallavan, now bam is as strong as kallavan and stronger than every ranker under him which is nonsense, I have yet to see bam take out a ship filled with rankers in one move like jinsung did and I have yet to see bam survive unhurt from a massive anti high ranker weapon also, again how many handicaps does siu have to set for kallavan now? One armed and gonna get even more weakened by white, just so bam doesn't fall to one hit like should.

I will argue against most of the flaw of your argumentation , but show you the thing that is false pr illogical .

One things that i note is that in each of you argumentation you don't take into account that Baam is holding most of his power .

Ok so if Urek didn't beat any regular easily when he was climbing doesn't mean he is capable of ?

Lol there is no regular level technique . It is only the degree that you master it and how powerful it is .

But torn is some big deal dude .

What does being HR level mean ? Don't have to wait 10000 chapter to see the end of TOG . Being a proper irregular accoding to is title. ( believe it or not stated by Koon Data jahad and Koon was ranker level ) . And i even thinks that they were advanced level ranker .
Baam being also a irregular and has being given power up after power up . It is nit too much to ecpect him to be HR level .

You can answer my question why bother giving Baam all those power if he doesn't speed up his growing .

Ok if for you scrating Kallavan is not a big thing something Ha jinsung struggled to do . Yuri wans't able to do it also . It is only logic of Baam was to unlish that attack most of Ranker would die instantly .

Charlie was afaid of Baam .

You have to see Baam taking a snip filled of Ranker .

I think we have problem in our vision of being a ranker . You discribed what is being a HR ....

The Gado , Yuri , Paul did was what youbare saying .

Being at ranker level is simply being capable of what most ranker can do .

In you logic no body is at the level that SIU intruduced them . Kallavan is not corps commander level if can defeat like nothing 100 pf Ha jinsung and Evankhell .

Of maybe you have too great expectation for Baam . Butvivdon't quite understand your logic .

Being ranker level has to resist a anti HR level deviced . In your opinion Karaka is not ranker level ...
He has the title and the contract but doesn't have the power .

Kallavan is top 100 . So i don't really care about is handicap .

What is goal of saying Baam skill is ranker and HR ? You do know there is nl fairness in a figth . And that those as is skill . I bet there is much regular that use ranker skill that you thinks redan . Androssi bazooka etc .i have clearly the impression that you whant Baam to defeat is ennemy with one finger .

But Baam was dominating at the last station against 2 ranker . I hope you don't close you eyes .

How using you power means you are not at the level . Or maybe you are trolling me ?

If i follow you logic . All houndborn are not ranker level they was transformed by Doom . Yuri is not HR level she has jahad blood etc etc .

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Wvy are people complaning because we have one cvpater per weeks . Where we see side character speaking about their life , when we don't really care and he can't be resumed in 10 pages .

I know where SIU is going but it should be more relevant , i don't whant side character story . There are YHS , Evankhell who SIU could be using to tell us story , instead we have that nobody who tells us is story , he shouldn't bother to do that, and being killed ny Baam .

In the end we have a chapter when we finish , we have the impression that the chapter was rather empty .

 

[PineappleO]

What's the point in creating other characters in the story then? The main characters needs these support characters of course, hell goku had friends tha supported him so what's wrong with khun and rak helping baam

Man white threatening kallavan to eat him can't wait to see it happening although we know who's gonna beat kallavan

This might be a god chance for white to change after getting his bu** kicked

 

[Madelin]

To be fair - those that are content with the pacing are the same that would be complaining the loudest if/when SIU had to rush an ending in 20 or 30 chapters (say, like Bleach). Because everything would be left open-ended and so much unresolved.

Nobody loves an abrupt ending man. Gaantz is one of the prime example, the pacing is alright unless they suddenly decided to tie everything and said it's over

This gets so much worse if whatever they tied contradicts with whatever the plot points we had gathered, or simply throw too many new things and tie it off, or introducing ex machina to end it off

 

[kkck]

There is something I am kinda lost on.. Does destroying the wall release the prisoners or not? Because we heard that during a chapter but on the other hand the implication is that only khane can release dowon... So... what's the deal here?

 

[Pbgustang]

Now weve got some news and possibility regarding many theories about canne and dowon.

In the latest official translation canne name actually is khane, then google does the rest about this 2 sister : diwan and khane

Diwan-khane - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Diwan khane is a persian phrase. Translates roughly as hall of political affair or court house

 

[shaheer]

There is something I am kinda lost on.. Does destroying the wall release the prisoners or not? Because we heard that during a chapter but on the other hand the implication is that only khane can release dowon... So... what's the deal here?

Probably 2 step activation. The prisoner is sleep by some magic spell. The wall holds them back acting like a barrier. so you need both. Destroy the wall then activate the prisoner.
Ideally, i suppose few were given the keys to break spells inside the wall and probably there are some mechanisms to open some doors in the wall for those people to go in.

 

[zikhali]

We should change this thread to Tower of God Chapter 459 complaints & Discussions.
Atleast guys discuss the chapter and what is happening not siu, there is nothing wrong criticizing the chapter constructively. come on!

 

[eddxw]

Oh well , will keep remember that.

I told ya all in my spoilers previous chapter. Now white and dororo will team together that's when bam will come in.



SIU is just prolonging the story here and now I can understand the criticism this series is getting . The main plot has not even progressed that much. They are on god damn 52 floor or something and there are like 134 or some floors even after 440 something chapters .People will defend it saying that it's fine but it is not . He release chapters every week with 100 panels for years now, maybe that's why solo levelling is a much bigger series than this.

"solo levelling is a much bigger series than this."

Solo Leveling isn't as big as TOG in any way. It might be popular nowadays especially for those who haven't read the novel since the manhwa/webtoon hasn't reached the decline yet. As someone who likes reading both wuxia/xianxia novels and webtoons, Solo Leveling was a big disappointment for me in the later stages of the novel.

That Solo Leveling is popular between your circles of friends doesn't mean that is a whole country's favorite story.

 

[shaheer]

We should change this thread to Tower of God Chapter 459 complaints & Discussions.
Atleast guys discuss the chapter and what is happening not siu, there is nothing wrong criticizing the chapter constructively. come on!

Srsly Give it a break. No one was overly rude. The only incisive comment was comparing it to Solo Leveling(i dont think SL is even half as good as ToG). The first few comments were the chapters are dragging. How is that not a fair criticism? I find this to be dragging. We had a show that showed Yama and Yachra facing off and then panned here From there we have gotten flashbacks and politics and fodder fight and still the fodder fight continues. People may like this expansion but many others(me included) dont.

The point blank reply was' dont like it go somewhere else'. I m sorry i wont. Many of us have been in this thread since ToG thread started like idk 2013 ish or so, just because we dont like a particular set of chapters or one arc doesnt mean we will just pack up and leave. You dont just stop supporting your foodball team because you think they did poorly on one season. You get annoyed blame the manager or player and then hope they will do better in next term.

If you find someone bashing and using unfair ad hominem report. But as long as respectful criticism is made I really dont see what the beef is. Its not some kind of divine revelation or sth.
There are probably more 'why are you whining go somewhere else' post in this thread than post criticizing the chap(didnt count just sayin)

 

[DDragneel]

"solo levelling is a much bigger series than this."

Solo Leveling isn't as big as TOG in any way. It might be popular nowadays especially for those who haven't read the novel since the manhwa/webtoon hasn't reached the decline yet. As someone who likes reading both wuxia/xianxia novels and webtoons, Solo Leveling was a big disappointment for me in the later stages of the novel.

That Solo Leveling is popular between your circles of friends doesn't mean that is a whole country's favorite story.

that part where he turns a full blown hero is where its decline starts . Meh , it is still popular for now at least. " within my friend circles " lmao . there are a few more Indians here , you can ask them

 

[SUNJULU]

Every now and then SIU likes to peddle the illusion that Koon and Rak still matter. I agree with you though. A quick curbstomp would have been much more appropriate, especially considering what Kallavan did on the other end.

I feel as if you all are ungrateful and dont appreciate the strory this is the first time we seeing BAM RAK and Khun fight together since forever they also are alot stronger from the last timet hey fought as a three man team relax sit back and enjoy the little moments

 

[Jedikos]

I feel as if you all are ungrateful and dont appreciate the strory this is the first time we seeing BAM RAK and Khun fight together since forever they also are alot stronger from the last timet hey fought as a three man team relax sit back and enjoy the little moments

That RT transformation looked really cool, sharp and more animalistic, someone's head is about to roll, I don't know if Rak's spear will even be needed.
The team work helps, I mean after beating the old ranker, those 3 regulars will know that as a team, no regular henceforth shall be a challenge to them. Climbing the tower has never been more hyped, I mean where has it ever been said a team of regulars could ever stand up to a ranker.

Side note: hoping Baam use the Ethryssa as a sword and imbue it with the power of souls to use Arie's sword techniques, with special training from White of course.

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Okay so SIU named the transformation "Tail", I suppose the blade is the sharp tip of the Ethryssa's tail, makes one wonder if next level transformation will form body,arms and head, we might actually see a full formed thryssa standing next to Baam anytime soon. How Baam's clothes have started disappearing with the transformations, I really hope by full transformation he doesn't look like Baylord Yama with only shorts lol.

 

[Jack Van Burace]

That RT transformation looked really cool, sharp and more animalistic, someone's head is about to roll, I don't know if Rak's spear will even be needed.
The team work helps, I mean after beating the old ranker, those 3 regulars will know that as a team, no regular henceforth shall be a challenge to them. Climbing the tower has never been more hyped, I mean where has it ever been said a team of regulars could ever stand up to a ranker.

Side note: hoping Baam use the Ethryssa as a sword and imbue it with the power of souls to use Arie's sword techniques, with special training from White of course.

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Okay so SIU named the transformation "Tail", I suppose the blade is the sharp tip of the Ethryssa's tail, makes one wonder if next level transformation will form body,arms and head, we might actually see a full formed thryssa standing next to Baam anytime soon. How Baam's clothes have started disappearing with the transformations, I really hope by full transformation he doesn't look like Baylord Yama with only shorts lol.

I think Red Thryssa might be an A rank Hook weapon. It cuts high rankers with ease and can kill imortals. It is likely what SIU had in mind when he said Bam would get a weapon eventually.

 

[Turtle hunter]

What's the point in creating other characters in the story then? The main characters needs these support characters of course, hell goku had friends tha supported him so what's wrong with khun and rak helping baam

Man white threatening kallavan to eat him can't wait to see it happening although we know who's gonna beat kallavan

This might be a god chance for white to change after getting his bu** kicked

I don't know .

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 2, 2019, Original Post Date: Dec 2, 2019 ---

"solo levelling is a much bigger series than this."

Solo Leveling isn't as big as TOG in any way. It might be popular nowadays especially for those who haven't read the novel since the manhwa/webtoon hasn't reached the decline yet. As someone who likes reading both wuxia/xianxia novels and webtoons, Solo Leveling was a big disappointment for me in the later stages of the novel.

That Solo Leveling is popular between your circles of friends doesn't mean that is a whole country's favorite story.

For the amount of time it was released , only few years ago . I think it has a good popularity .

 

[Madelin]

I think Red Thryssa might be an A rank Hook weapon. It cuts high rankers with ease and can kill imortals. It is likely what SIU had in mind when he said Bam would get a weapon eventually.

Just A rank? B-but RT is a remnant of an administrator . How could blood Messiah and zone nullification power be called as just an A

The red and the blue demon should both be higher than S ranked because red and blue both grants something that is nigh impossible for anybody else to have

 

[King Dryst]

Just A rank? B-but RT is a remnant of an administrator . How could blood Messiah and zone nullification power be called as just an A

The red and the blue demon should both be higher than S ranked because red and blue both grants something that is nigh impossible for anybody else to have

There are but a very few S-Rank weapons in existence (that we know of). Arie Hon's White Oar and Adori's Golden November are the only two that have been officially said afaik, and I would imagine the Thorn.

 

[Wha]

So it's White vs Kallavan. Hopefully, we will get to see that fight in the next chapter(s). It could show us just where exactly White stands right now.
And the clone sure seems to be in control , butchering all those no names as a warm up (maybe they did not knock on his door in the past?).
So either she is more similar to White than i thought (regarding their personality), or her "control" is at the least very limited.

And AA's right back to using firefish after all lol

haha yes, i stand corrected. Now i wonder why the fish gave his warning in the first place. And i hope it will come to the point where the fish is like "whatever man, i told you so, now burn mothe*******."

 

[DERRICK S NIBLACK]

I see the purpose of fighting Delete. It's to show us just how powerful Baam is to a actual Ranker in an actual battle. The other battle was like a test. He couldn't use transformation and wasn't at 100%. Now Baam has a new power-up that looks like it'll up his base with actual power. In all Baam's arsenal is just wave control techniques. Baam doesn't have any close combat attacks beside his piercing butterfly. We also see he could use shinwonryu increasing it's power. We also see that shinwonryu is so Kallavan's weakness (Its the 2nd technique to actually harm Kallavan). We'll see next chapter if blades are effective against him.

 

[Wha]

Baam doesn't have any close combat attacks beside his piercing butterfly.

What? I remember the fight with Daniel at train city, where it was explained that Bam took i don't know how many different classes of martial arts. You have Daniel commenting that Bam took all those techniques and mixed it together to something new. So saying that he has got no close range attacks is just not true.

 

[Prince of the RL District]

Guys, does rak possesses ruel mon's ancient spear or not? I see he still wields the mad shocker so I'm not sure.