Chapter Tower of God Chapter 459 Spoilers & Discussion

[EternalWinter]

Thank you.
This blog post is early, it's chapter hasn't been released officially yet, or is it somewhere else other than on Webtoon?

Anyway, it seems SIU means to be saying he has added extra content to the chapters we complained about. I look forward to the official release to enjoy the added panels.

late, it's from the chapter that was just released in English, it's 3-4 chapters behind iirc

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[Prince of the RL District]

Actually White has potential to be the worst type of enemy for Kallavan in his situation. He literally have one side wide open that he cant protect since his arm is sealed. White use arie swordstyle that attact from every angle and cant be read like mascheeny said.

But then kallavan withstands the attack(instead of dodging) with that ridiculously durable body of his(like ran did to inieta following mashenny's advice) and overwhelms white with brute force.

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It's actually the opposite. Kallavan is the worst type of enemy for White. The 'trick' to dealing with Arie swordsmanship, according to what Maschenny told Ran in the past, is to not attempt to dodge it but rather to just tank the hits and counterattack. But there aren't too many people who could survive doing that against one of White's caliber. Kallavan is without question among that number. I doubt whether White even has the capacity to hurt him in the slightest.

White probably can hurt him. Remember Dorian frog compared white's magnolia attack to kallavan's? He just has stamina issues which is the major reason I think he would lose. Not to mention he isn't in his prime anymore.

 

[azer001]

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[King Dryst]

White probably can hurt him. Remember Dorian frog compared white's magnolia attack to kallavan's? He just has stamina issues which is the major reason I think he would lose. Not to mention he isn't in his prime anymore.

White's offense (at least with one shot throwing his whole might behind it) might be equal to Kallavan's offense. But Kallavan's most noteworthy trait is his defensive toughness. Thus, it's rather easy to imagine that Kallavan's DEF stat >> Kallavan's ATK stat.

 

[Madelin]

See you took a valid pt and likely made it invalid with the over kill "in the slightest"

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The Clone likes Baam. Whites dislikes baam but respects him. Neither of them are nice people, and all 5 of the siblings wanna kill their dad. She had no problem with him eating those two shit rankers who attacked him when sleeping. If anything she's gonna tell him not to be stupid like he was at last station

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Hello, this is SIU. This week I drew Dowon. I wanted her to look beautiful and eyecatching, I hope she is. Also, I decided to blaze it and bought another high end SSD, but apparently it's not compatible with the motherboard. So now I'm in this weird situation where I'm looking to buy a new computer just for my SSD. I mean, your data's precious, so haha.

This week, since it's just before the battle, we have a lot of dialogue. Something like White and Hatsu's conversation wasn't entirely necessary, but they're both swordsmen, and I wanted to show what kind of a conversation they would have when the two met. Well, they aren't talking too much about the martial art of swords because I'm actually not too well-versed in that department, so it will probably focus entirely on the most fundamental idea of the sword as a tool of combat.

I don't know if you noticed, but there is a shift in White's attitude towards Baam. We don't know if it was after that conversation with Rachel, but whereas before, he treated him like someone he disliked or felt was incompatible with, but now, he seems to be finding similarities between them. He says Baam is overflowing with talent unlike Hatsu, he offers to tell him how to "set a blaze" himself. It's like a workplace senior teaching him how to smoke. What a bad guy hehe. That's how much Baam and white are at the poles with one another. Anyway, I did want to put in White interacting with Baam's party at some point, and that some point became now. This is what happens when you get characters that normally wouldn't interact with each other together, it seems.

Kallavan and Ha Cheonhi's conversation is a foundation for the coming narrative. This arc isn't necessarily to show Kallavan's human side, but it is indeed to show him as a multi-faceted person. That's not to say he's very human, there's more precision to him. I hope you keep an eye on this narrative.

After Sowo's line, we have the beginning of a flashback. It may seem sudden, but it serves a role in the coming battle, and these people can give a hint into the past, so I will be drawing briefly what happened in the past . It won't be a long story, but I hop you look forward to it.

This week's chapter also had a bit of an extra from the Preview Release, and this was following adjustments I made for the next chapter's release. Even for you Preview Readers, I hope you guys enjoy the added content next week as well.

Even though I've been posting here for a long time know, I've been wishing often these days how I wish I can always stay true to where I started. I hope I always have the positive anticipation for new readers, and to create a work that the readers will have that feeling for every chapter, but it's not easy, so as time goes on, I think that thoughts of disappointment can grow. I hear many constructive criticism and compliments, but I often feel I don't meet the standards set by popular expectation or the attention. I don't necessarily wish to craft the a masterpiece, but I do hope that you continue to enjoy the journey.

And with that, next week I will come with the waltz of the flower and the giant snake, as well as Baam being influenced by White the hooligan. I hope you have a healthy and happy weak!

Thank you!

PS: Today I Learned that you are not supposed to use the humidifier and the air filter at the same time. My air filter was going crazy...



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Oh gosh

I just bought humidifier to be used alongside my air purifier

Thanks for the heads up SIU

Seems Aguero's buff can't manage to make Baam's RT to be lvl 2. Wonder what level RT's gonna be if he go all out with Aguero's buff

 

[Wha]

Sure, but the floral butterfly isn't that sort of attack. The floral butterfly is a technique which uses flow control and reserve flow control to tear up your enemy from the inside. The amount of physical strength it requires is invariably zero and it also doesn't requires martial arts to use. It barely even requires the user to touch the target. Of course, having high physical strength, reinforcement or martial arts would help you deliver the floral butterfly but the technique itself does not have a physical component to it. zahard's iron fist technique is even a version of the technique which can be performed at a range....

Name one other shinsoo manipulation technique that requires contact with the target.
Let's not call it shinsoo, but chi. This technique disrupts the chi of the opponent.
His stance is clearly a close combat fighting stance. And the move was taught to him by Jinsung, his martial arts teacher. Every time Bam uses shinsoo manipulation techniques, it was hinted that he learned them from Hansung or someone else, not Jinsung.

And regarding kallavan.... I won't deny there is ambiguity regarding where some things stand (what is the essence of bravery? is it a type of reinforcement?). My take on the technique you mention is that it is basically a combination of kallavan's physical strength and the EOB. Which add up for devastating effect... and.... on top of that there might or not be reinforcement to further make the attack itself a bastard.

Yeah, i partly agree. But given that Kallavan is more of a physical fighter rather than a wave controller, i would say that one of his strongest moves is more martial arts related. Regarding the EOB - well it would be weird if it would give him more "shinsoo treats" than more strength in his hand to hand combat, since the guy sealed inside was said to be a martial arts prodigy.

Is Jinsungs finisher not a martial art move? And the way i understood it, it's the more (much more?) advanced version of the floral butterfly.

Bam is still a character that has to work his way around his still inherent physical weakness. And his fighting styles and techniques show that considering bam does not evidence being particularly close to being able to defeat anyone in his tier via punching him.

The dude took punches from Data Zahard (even before he used the orb as defense) and lives to tell the tale. He can't have such a weak body anymore. It's lacking in comparison to Zahards, but that's probably true for a guy like Gustang (or Urek -not sure though) as well. But it wasn't really about his body, but about the comment that Bam has no real hand to hand techniques (close combat) apart from the floral butterfly thing. Which is not true in my opinion.

So guess that flame fits perfectly.

this flame fits everyone, be it an agressive fighter (like the pig) or a supporter (like Khun). But the warning of the fish remains.

(Im interested what kind of form will his partial relise take.. he should get that power up soon)

not sure he will get one at all, since he is a "real descendant" (or something like that). So maybe he is what gets released from the elder or evankhell.

The Clone likes Baam. White dislikes baam but respects him. Neither of them are nice people, and all 5 of the siblings wanna kill their dad. She had no problem with him eating those two shit rankers who attacked him when sleeping. If anything she's gonna tell him not to be stupid like he was at last station

Anna liked Hoaqin. Hoaqin treated her with respect. Hoaqin may not like Vincente, but treated him with respect (most of the time). Didn't matter, both of them got screwed by him anyway.
Yes, they want to kill Hon. I doubt White wants to watch Bam do it, it's personal, he wants to do it himself. To do that, he needs to be strong enough. Since he got defeated by a princess of his family in his prime, he still got a long way to go. Even when Bam gets Hons immortality out of the way, there is still the gap of strength.
Devouring Bam could bring him closer. And he even says that he will watch him grow and maybe devour him later.

Why does she have to tell him anything? She is in control, isn't she? Just make him do it.

The clone is not nice? Her behaviour was completely different than Hoaqins / Whites before they reunited.

 

[Jedikos]

Oh gosh

I just bought humidifier to be used alongside my air purifier

Thanks for the heads up SIU

Seems Aguero's buff can't manage to make Baam's RT to be lvl 2. Wonder what level RT's gonna be if he go all out with Aguero's buff

The flame probably just polishes the level itself,not raise it. Given that, SIU will perhaps explain if Baam by himself can reach that finesse by himself or will he always require Aguero's help.

I pray this flame support thing is a foreshadowing of how Baam can be powerfully dangerous IF the Head of the Yeon family becomes Baam's Ally, and they fight as equals in a team.

 

[Prince of the RL District]

White's offense (at least with one shot throwing his whole might behind it) might be equal to Kallavan's offense. But Kallavan's most noteworthy trait is his defensive toughness. Thus, it's rather easy to imagine that Kallavan's DEF stat >> Kallavan's ATK stat.

Good point.

 

[Kadir0]

Ami the only one that like White’s way of the sword, the way he explains it and understand it is kinda unique for me. This is not the first i liked his teachings, I especially liked when he was teaching Cassano what the real sword is, and here also his interactions with Hatsu..The man gives me lord Sesshomuru vibe from Inuyasha, which was one of my favorite characters in anime!

 

[Sanity Check]

Bam couldn't match Gado's speed without the thorn.

He could be at a speed deficit in comparison to ancient ranker Delete if its true that rankers become more powerful as they age, like vampires.

Who cares if it goes to 10,000 chapters?

10,000 weekly chapters amount to approximately 192 years FYI.

I have a feeling ToG will end in 1000 chapters or less. SUI doesn't need to explain his entire fantasy world to us.

1000 weekly chapters amount to approximately 19 years FYI.

Naruto is 550 chapters and began in 1999. It concluded in 2015.

Please do not throw these numbers around so lightly.

 

[TheLastMartian]

Bam couldn't match Gado's speed without the thorn.

He could be at a speed deficit in comparison to ancient ranker Delete if its true that rankers become more powerful as they age, like vampires.



10,000 weekly chapters amount to approximately 192 years FYI.



1000 weekly chapters amount to approximately 19 years FYI.

Naruto is 550 chapters and began in 1999. It concluded in 2015.

Please do not throw these numbers around so lightly.

It wasn't lightly, ToG started like 8 or 9 years ago, I feel like we are past the halfway mark. My post was a reply to someone saying ToG is gonna be over 2000 chapters

 

[sazon]

Seeing how the flames of A.A are able to raise the power of the RT. Perhaps it would be possible to break, even partially, the seal of Rak curse?

 

[Jedikos]

White's offense (at least with one shot throwing his whole might behind it) might be equal to Kallavan's offense. But Kallavan's most noteworthy trait is his defensive toughness. Thus, it's rather easy to imagine that Kallavan's DEF stat >> Kallavan's ATK stat.

It will not fare well for Kallavan in the begining of the fight, if he assumes White is just a regular who is way in over his head, and that the Slayer talk is a lie.
Hope that attack before gives Kallavan an idea of who White is.
I really wouldn't like a fight that they don't go all out.

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Seeing how the flames of A.A are able to raise the power of the RT. Perhaps it would be possible to break, even partially, the seal of Rak curse?

It's a curse, probably could work both ways. Positive being Rak showcasing his ancient powers. Negative being the curse becoming worse and Rak becoming stuck. I don't want to believe that a flame can lift a curse brought about by Jahad's doing. It might be as strong as the curse of the 13 months. Baam may be Rak's only hope if its a spell but it's not likely since he has spent years with him and no unshackling has really happened.

 

[kkck]

Name one other shinsoo manipulation technique that requires contact with the target.
Let's not call it shinsoo, but chi. This technique disrupts the chi of the opponent.
His stance is clearly a close combat fighting stance. And the move was taught to him by Jinsung, his martial arts teacher. Every time Bam uses shinsoo manipulation techniques, it was hinted that he learned them from Hansung or someone else, not Jinsung.

Yeah, i partly agree. But given that Kallavan is more of a physical fighter rather than a wave controller, i would say that one of his strongest moves is more martial arts related. Regarding the EOB - well it would be weird if it would give him more "shinsoo treats" than more strength in his hand to hand combat, since the guy sealed inside was said to be a martial arts prodigy.

Is Jinsungs finisher not a martial art move? And the way i understood it, it's the more (much more?) advanced version of the floral butterfly.

The dude took punches from Data Zahard (even before he used the orb as defense) and lives to tell the tale. He can't have such a weak body anymore. It's lacking in comparison to Zahards, but that's probably true for a guy like Gustang (or Urek -not sure though) as well. But it wasn't really about his body, but about the comment that Bam has no real hand to hand techniques (close combat) apart from the floral butterfly thing. Which is not true in my opinion.

But... why? The point is that the floral butterfly isn't a conventional physical attack. The specks required for it are independent of the specks required for physical combat. Floral butterfly is a technique which combines flow control and reverse flow control to turn your enemy's insides into paste. Flow control and reverse flow control require specks that are more in line with wave controllers. The technique is short range but the physical might and reinforcement of the user is irrelevant to its performance. As in, you might be as physically mighty as zahard or as pathetically weak as S1 bam but that will have exactly zero effect on how strong your floral butterfly is.

And... the point here in regards to jinsung is that he is a special fighter within the ha family. Add to that, jinsung was said to also have a very high shinsoo blessing meaning that he can control large amounts of shinsoo while sacrificing little control. Jinsung is someone who has specks suited for a physical fighters and also specks that allow him to use flow and reverse flow control at an insanely high level.. which is very much like a wave controller.

Kallavan definitely builds his fighting style around his insanely strong body. My point was more about what each of his assets does for kallavan.

well, bam "took" attacks from zahard. But he invariably ended up in a puddle of blood on the other side of the stadium when it happened. I suppose there is some merit is being able to take a punch from zahard and not end up as paste but I wouldn't use that to make the point that he has a strong body. I wouldn't bet on bam being physically mighty enough to compare to even the mid tier people within people worth comparing to bam... It's a safe bet that bam's physical strength has improved dramatically since the series started but we know there are people out there, like kallavan whose bare bodies are so astonishingly ridiculous that they can take full on shinsoo blasts without even using reinforcement. As in, you could probably throw a literal mountain at kallavan's bare unreinforced body and he'd be like "meh". Or you could have a jet firing the strongest missile a jet could carry and fire it at an unreinforced kallavan and he wouldn't even budge. Bam's physical strength has improved but odds are that this is a hulk vs spiderman scenario. Spiderman can lift a car or two but he simply isn't comparable to the hulk when it comes to physical strength.

I didn't say bam didn't have close range techniques. Of course bam is a competent martial artist. And he is even pretty damn competent at reinforcement. My point was that even in spite of that he isn't going to win any fistfights against anyone who matters. Sure, he beat baragav but that is because baragav is so many tiers below bam its not even a feat. Shinsoo alone can do the trick. When it comes to close combat the worst case scenario is running into people whose physical bodies are as mighty or mightier than their shinsoo skills... and then they proceed to combine them for devastating effect.

 

[EternalWinter]

shin's trans out

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Anna liked Hoaqin. Hoaqin treated her with respect. Hoaqin may not like Vincente, but treated him with respect (most of the time). Didn't matter, both of them got screwed by him anyway.
Yes, they want to kill Hon. I doubt White wants to watch Bam do it, it's personal, he wants to do it himself. To do that, he needs to be strong enough. Since he got defeated by a princess of his family in his prime, he still got a long way to go. Even when Bam gets Hons immortality out of the way, there is still the gap of strength.
Devouring Bam could bring him closer. And he even says that he will watch him grow and maybe devour him later.

Why does she have to tell him anything? She is in control, isn't she? Just make him do it.

The clone is not nice? Her behaviour was completely different than Hoaqins / Whites before they reunited.

He wants to do it himself, and the best way to do that is have baam as an ally

She doesn't exactly shrink from bloodshed

He didn't respect his siblings, he felt entitled to their power

 

[link to the past]

While the matchup between Kallavan and White is interesting, i have low expectations for the result. At best White will manage to stall for time, at worst he will have similar fate to the Ranker Kallavan faced before.
Apart from rankers White hasn't shown to be able to do much against high rankers, never mind a top high ranker like Kallavan. His attacks at the last station were all stopped by Kallavans subordinates without much trouble, unless he got a huge power boost i can't see how he can be a threat to Kallavan himself now.

 

[Mr Face]

Bam couldn't match Gado's speed without the thorn.

He could be at a speed deficit in comparison to ancient ranker Delete if its true that rankers become more powerful as they age, like vampires.



10,000 weekly chapters amount to approximately 192 years FYI.



1000 weekly chapters amount to approximately 19 years FYI.

Naruto is 550 chapters and began in 1999. It concluded in 2015.

Please do not throw these numbers around so lightly.

It was pointed out that the reason why Canzon struggled so much against Gado was because of his speed as it appears to be his specialty. Even so Baam managed to fend off his attack just fine using his metamorphosis despite the disadvantage.

I don't think speed will be an issue for Baam when it comes to Delete. Baam seems to be very confident this time around to the point where he doesn't think he will need the Thorn.

 

[shaheer]

It seems that the younger sister planned that she would get help from kallavan to awaken her sister and then fight off kallavan with her sister. Bad choice madam.

 

[Wha]

He wants to do it himself, and the best way to do that is have baam as an ally

Could you please explain your opinion to me? Why exactly do you think that it is better for White to be a permanent ally rather than devouring Bam? In Whites perspective, of course. He doesn't know about Bams plot armor.

She doesn't exactly shrink from bloodshed

Since she was introduced, she never hurt anyone. She didn't attack White, although she resented him and was probably way stronger. And this bloodshed right now was unnecessary. It's like killing some ants because they crawled into your direction.

He didn't respect his siblings, he felt entitled to their power

When Wangnan appeared with Vincente, he tells him something like "trying to beat me? Fine. But allying with those low class guys?" Vincente is no low class guy in this scenario, the rest is. So he has got some kind of respect for him. Look at how he treats Bam and the rest nowadays. Not really friendly, BUT, like SIU said, he respects him. Similar as with Vincente. He is not "useless" like the rest.

White respecting Bam's growth / power isn't really good for the latter. Bam is a kid like Hansel and Gretel and White is the Witch, waiting for Bam to get fat enough to make a proper meal.

 

[link to the past]

Could you please explain your opinion to me? Why exactly do you think that it is better for White to be a permanent ally rather than devouring Bam? In Whites perspective, of course. He doesn't know about Bams plot armor.



Since she was introduced, she never hurt anyone. She didn't attack White, although she resented him and was probably way stronger. And this bloodshed right now was unnecessary. It's like killing some ants because they crawled into your direction.




When Wangnan appeared with Vincente, he tells him something like "trying to beat me? Fine. But allying with those low class guys?" Vincente is no low class guy in this scenario, the rest is. So he has got some kind of respect for him. Look at how he treats Bam and the rest nowadays. Not really friendly, BUT, like SIU said, he respects him. Similar as with Vincente. He is not "useless" like the rest.

White respecting Bam's growth / power isn't really good for the latter. Bam is a kid like Hansel and Gretel and White is the Witch, waiting for Bam to get fat enough to make a proper meal.

Well a grown Bam is not a helpless kid though, if White eventually tries it i have a feeling he will be the one eaten. Heck even if he tries it right now he might get eaten by Bam, let's see how they will both fare against Kallavan, with Bam finally going all out against an opponent after a very long time we can have some comparison measure. Basically White respect is coming from the fact that Bam is both talented and strong.