Chapter Tower of God Chapter 459 Spoilers & Discussion

[Wha]

Well a grown Bam is not a helpless kid though

Kallavan isn't either. And here we are, White telling Kallavan that he is going to devour him.

, if White eventually tries it i have a feeling he will be the one eaten.

Probably. But don't you think he would try the "impossible" nonetheless? He is looking to kill Hon, after all. And "his majesty" seems to be quite full of himself.

Basically White respect is coming from the fact that Bam is both talented and strong.

yes, but since strong means more powerful soul (as far as we know), and White wants (needs) to be more powerful,.....

White is not like karaka (regarding their personality).
From what we know, most of the other guys in FUG avoided him back in his prime. That says a lot.

 

[Sanity Check]

It was pointed out that the reason why Canzon struggled so much against Gado was because of his speed as it appears to be his specialty. Even so Baam managed to fend off his attack just fine using his metamorphosis despite the disadvantage.

I don't think speed will be an issue for Baam when it comes to Delete. Baam seems to be very confident this time around to the point where he doesn't think he will need the Thorn.

Gado was about to overwhelm Bam with his speed advantage when Bam received his text allowing him to activate his thorn.

It would seem Bam is at a speed disadvantage against Delete. He'll need his lighthouse and spear bearer to slow Delete down so he can defeat him.

 

[Jedikos]

Gado was about to overwhelm Bam with his speed advantage when Bam received his text allowing him to activate his thorn.

It would seem Bam is at a speed disadvantage against Delete. He'll need his lighthouse and spear bearer to slow Delete down so he can defeat him.

I think Khun is done with his light bearing support, flame has done it's job already, how does a regular's lighthouse slow down a ranker? Rak's spear bearer skills with the Mad shocker? The regular girl with Michael's group kicked it away before. Delete can do more than kick it into oblivion.
Concerning Baam's speed, he should only be a tad behind Calzone's considering he lost against level 3 or so of Gado's transformation and Baam started struggling only at level 7. Besides Baam might not necessarily need to be close to the ranker to hurt him, Gado could only barely dodge unrefined level one RT transformation. The attack speed of RT might be high ranker level. No need Baam exchanging blows with Delete. I hope he shatters his needle if he tries to block.

 

[Sanity Check]

I think Khun is done with his light bearing support, flame has done it's job already, how does a regular's lighthouse slow down a ranker? Rak's spear bearer skills with the Mad shocker? The regular girl with Michael's group kicked it away before. Delete can do more than kick it into oblivion.
Concerning Baam's speed, he should only be a tad behind Calzone's considering he lost against level 3 or so of Gado's transformation and Baam started struggling only at level 7. Besides Baam might not necessarily need to be close to the ranker to hurt him, Gado could only barely dodge unrefined level one RT transformation. The attack speed of RT might be high ranker level. No need Baam exchanging blows with Delete. I hope he shatters his needle if he tries to block.

Delete said it himself: Bam's companions have abilities which normal regulars do not.

Bam is likely the only one who can injure Delete. Most likely scenario is Rak and AA running interference to slow Delete down so Bam can land a solid shot.

Rak has rocks, Aguero Agnes has fire and ice. They could form walls around Delete to limit his movement and slow him down. Like AA did when he fought Bam's clone on the hidden hell train level. And Rak did to Levy.

I think Beta is no longer in Khun's lighthouse and so Enna Core isn't an option.

 

[King Dryst]

I would agree that they lack the capacity to do anything more in this fight. Nothing either of them have to offer right now should even be able to slow down or distract a Ranker. Delete should be able to effortlessly break through any obstacle Koon and Rak try to put before him, as we already saw with how he punched right through Rak's stone manipulation. Baam's thryssa arm is out and Koon has done his bit to empower it. It's Baam's show now, as will be the case any and every time the group encounters Rankers for a good long while still.

The best thing they can do at this point is to just stay out of the way. The more they try to get involved, the likelier is it that Delete will target them and force Baam into a bad position due to having to protect them.

 

[xGen]

The snake guy thats curently with Elaine and Hockney, anyone has any predictions who’s he working for ?

or should i start new thread for that?

 

[kkck]

While the matchup between Kallavan and White is interesting, i have low expectations for the result. At best White will manage to stall for time, at worst he will have similar fate to the Ranker Kallavan faced before.
Apart from rankers White hasn't shown to be able to do much against high rankers, never mind a top high ranker like Kallavan. His attacks at the last station were all stopped by Kallavans subordinates without much trouble, unless he got a huge power boost i can't see how he can be a threat to Kallavan himself now.

I would argue white has shown he has the capacity to take on at least some high rankers in the state he is in. He almost killed dorian frog, a high ranker that was saved by cheonhee. White should be more complete than he was back then so odds are that he can manage to use his actual full power for longer than before. And since kallavan's arm is literally tied odds are those few hits can deal damage. That said, white actually succeeding here seems impossible. A few hits can't possibly take down kallavan. At the most white will weaken kallavan enough so that he doesn't immediately end the plot.

 

[O_n_Sly]

The snake guy thats curently with Elaine and Hockney, anyone has any predictions who’s he working for ?

or should i start new thread for that?

Karaka

Clues everywhere: He has seen Yeon several times with Baam even the last(he probably saw her survive Yuri's attack with those eyes); he bugged Baams lighthouse; his assistant did mention that they had people they could send to help Baam find that pup that died.

 

[xGen]

Karaka

I dont think its Karaka... Has to be someone else ...

also When the fang game started on Yama ship, first oponent Bam fought could use Shinsu Black hole sphere, we didnt get to see his face, he ran away when Jordan appered.
Im not sure have i seen any explanation about that guy, im suspecting it could be Luslec? Testing him maybe..

Im writing this just cause im scrolling true chapters again.

 

[kkck]

Nah, it can't be karaka. We saw karaka at the name hunt station and nothing evidenced him being out to get yihwa. I suppose if we look at it that way the only people that make sense would be some wolfhaikson as they were the ones who rescued yihwa. On the other hand someone within wolfhaikson could have tipped off someone from outside the organization.

 

[Mr Face]

Gado was about to overwhelm Bam with his speed advantage when Bam received his text allowing him to activate his thorn.

It would seem Bam is at a speed disadvantage against Delete. He'll need his lighthouse and spear bearer to slow Delete down so he can defeat him.

According to Khun he needs help. I'd wager Khun knows even less than we do about what Baam is capable of. Just about everyone except Evankhell has been underestimating him. But Baam knows what he is capable of and the only reason they are teaming up is because they haven't done so for a long time.

I wasn't disagreeing with Gado having a speed advantage. I was saying Delete is NOT Gado and nothing suggests that he is as fast as him. Also you do realize that Delete is a Ranker and not a HR right? So he isn't even in the same league as Gado.

 

[TheLastMartian]

I just want to see Bam 1 shot the ranker and be like "Oh that was easy" and go onto the real fights of this arc like the dogs v cat, and Kallavan v Bam and friends.

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 5, 2019, Original Post Date: Dec 5, 2019 ---

Wouldn't be surprised if Bam is the one to take out the cat ranker squad commander too tbh.

 

[Xeroxed]

Some comments. Why does parts of the red thryssa have what seems like tentacles from Karakas armor around it?

---

And a crack theory. White ends up getting the upper hand against Kallavan due to having rested and perfected himself for two years and him eating a lot of souls recently. That and Kallavan only uses one arm. Canne or whats her name discovers that White have been killing and eating people from the area and becomes afraid. She wakes up her sister and ask her to help Kallavan. She does, but Baam shows up. It ends up a 2 vs 2 with Baam & White against Kallavan and Dowon.

 

[xGen]

Some comments. Why does parts of the red thryssa have what seems like tentacles from Karakas armor around it?

---

And a crack theory. White ends up getting the upper hand against Kallavan due to having rested and perfected himself for two years and him eating a lot of souls recently. That and Kallavan only uses one arm. Canne or whats her name discovers that White have been killing and eating people from the area and becomes afraid. She wakes up her sister and ask her to help Kallavan. She does, but Baam shows up. It ends up a 2 vs 2 with Baam & White against Kallavan and Dowon.

Well it wouldn't take long for that women to figure out that Kallawan is commander in Jahads army she has been fighting.
Also she knows about Arlen and V ,just by saying his “fug name” Bam should already show conections to them. So chances for that happening are very very small.
Im sure she will be on Bams side very fast

 

[Jedikos]

Well it wouldn't take long for that women to figure out that Kallawan is commander in Jahads army she has been fighting.
Also she knows about Arlen and V ,just by saying his “fug name” Bam should already show conections to them. So chances for that happening are very very small.
Im sure she will be on Bams side very fast

And then Kallavan will realize the threat of old war heroes allying with Baam is very real.
White, Dowow, Sowo... Kallavan is bested here, I don't know if Baam will even get a chance to face him properly.

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 5, 2019, Original Post Date: Dec 5, 2019 ---

The snake guy thats curently with Elaine and Hockney, anyone has any predictions who’s he working for ?

or should i start new thread for that?

I thought he said he works for/with Levi, the question mark curse guy.

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 5, 2019 ---

The snake guy thats curently with Elaine and Hockney, anyone has any predictions who’s he working for ?

or should i start new thread for that?

I thought he said he works for/with Levi, the question mark curse guy.

 

[cash2088]

And then Kallavan will realize the threat of old war heroes allying with Baam is very real.
White, Dowow, Sowo... Kallavan is bested here, I don't know if Baam will even get a chance to face him properly.

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 5, 2019, Original Post Date: Dec 5, 2019 ---

I thought he said he works for/with Levi, the question mark curse guy.

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 5, 2019 ---

I thought he said he works for/with Levi, the question mark curse guy.

I think you hit it on the head here. Right at the crux of all this Baam is going to assist (or they will assist him lol) Dowon and Khane, this won’t be their (Kallavan and Baam’s) proper 1 v 1. I do have a feeling this battle was never to claim after training Baam=Kallavan, that would mean he’s surpassed Jinsung in what? 2 years of training? Ummmm no! What this will be realistically speaking is a measure of how fast Baam actually grows. From the pipsqueak who could merely elongate a crack in an already heavily wounded individual. To a person who’s growth is undeniably threatening.

It may lead to a catharsis in Kallavan where he questions his allegiance to Zahard. He says his main intentions are to unite everybody under Zahard to avoid becoming like that “warrior in the crystal” yet Zahard now knows the rift is inevitable. He has sent him (Kallavan) to the wall to foment just that. To me it will ultimately mean Kallavan will have to choose who’s cause he believes in more. As I said previously war is inevitable and thus his original reason for siding with Zahard will not be an ideal he can maintain....

 

[shaheer]

I think you hit it on the head here. Right at the crux of all this Baam is going to assist (or they will assist him lol) Dowon and Khane, this won’t be their (Kallavan and Baam’s) proper 1 v 1. I do have a feeling this battle was never to claim after training Baam=Kallavan, that would mean he’s surpassed Jinsung in what? 2 years of training? Ummmm no!

While 2 yrs is a bit too fast but Bam needs to make it quite fast given Kallavan might fail this mission again somehow (atleast i see Dwoon dying and Bam escaping) and it might propel the 2 nd and 3 rd squadron to mobilize and hunt Bam at the very least that is. He needs to get strong enough to put fear in Adori even.

 

[cash2088]

While 2 yrs is a bit too fast but Bam needs to make it quite fast given Kallavan might fail this mission again somehow (atleast i see Dwoon dying and Bam escaping) and it might propel the 2 nd and 3 rd squadron to mobilize and hunt Bam at the very least that is. He needs to get strong enough to put fear in Adori even.

Not quite yet, I have a feeling they’ll be waiting on the higher floors, one must remember ADMINISTRATORS restrict those with enormous power or high rank from interfering with regulars.

Hence why Zahard likely is using Wagnan..... and the need of a Zahard “army” or beings like Kallavan... As powerful as they may be they can’t do whatever they wish...

I also believe this is why Kallavan has his arm sealed and commander title stripped. It essentially lowers his rank to be able to confront “regulars”...

P.S. Sort of like Whites situation. I would also like to add that contrary to most of the threads users who believe Baam needs to rank up fast. I am of the opinion the belief his power is only that of a C rank regular is a benefit. Most in the tower put WAY TOO MUCH stock in rankings. This always leads to underestimation. We have seen it with almost every fight Baam has had. We see it here with Delete (“Delitte?”) we saw it with Kaiser, Zahard, White, Kallavan, etc..... The real Zahard seems to be the only one who knows his “real strength” yet without knowing what he truly is....

 

[DERRICK S NIBLACK]

In my honest opinion Baam reaching Kallavan's level of power isn't to bad story wise. Kallavan is very powerful, almost or equaled to Hell Joe. When Uerik faced hell Joe he told him that outside the hell floor Hoe wasn't special when it comes to strength.

It will only push us foward to more powerful opponents for Baam. Kallavan is a gold fish compared to the 10FHs and algae compared to actual irregulars who opened the doors. It would be great to see him at this level now instead of at floor 99 him jumping to FH power level to take on Ari Hon. That kinda ass pull is unacceptable.

Kallavan is weaker than he was 2 years ago because he's missing an arm. Having Baam be his level now is perfect. Baam gains some street cred for defeating the human collector as being a C-Regular taking on a ex body commander. Also it's time Baam got the essence of fighting from Kallavan. I'm dying to see Baam use it.

 

[TheLastMartian]

Also it's time Baam got the essence of fighting from Kallavan. I'm dying to see Baam use it.

Plz no.