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Should we include dead characters for Most Offensive Mages?


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ToH DF Natsu who is fodder. Irene > Acno? :yodawg
Acno's crush >>> Irene's casual claw swipe :handgun

Bruh...just bruh. Bondage =/= attack power lmfao.
not true.

Jellal = Laxus >= Erza :pwnge

August > Jacob > Base Natsu > Base Wall > Christina > Jellal.
Acno took a note of Jellal while he didn't even notice August and Jacob :hmph
 

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Hmmm, perhaps something like most destructive spell? It would be interesting to see how people rank things like FDKM Demo Fist in comparison to some of Laxus/Gildarts/Jellal/Spriggans/DE's/Etc.


By the way, I loved this ranking I but my one bit of feedback is that August should probably be banned in future rankings. His Magic is just way too OP when compared to others. I mean, to this day stomping CS and dominating Gildarts for a majority of their fight is something that very few characters can boast, even with their 100YQ power ups.

I have to disagree on Kyria.

For one, I don't see how you can say she got no-diffed when she had multiple chapters of off-panel fight time. That's low-diff IMO.

For another, 100YQ Laxus is a god damn monster! Back in Alvarez this guy was hyped to one-shot kill Ajeel and killed Wahl the second his Magic could actually affect him. Kyria on the other hand required Laxus to use a Secret Art to put her down, on top of all the attacks she took off-panel. That should honestly put her leagues above the likes of Lucy, Sting, Orga (sorry my Saber bois), Jacob, Wendy, Jura, Brandish, Elfman and Mard Geer.

Looking back on it I should have ranked her way higher tbh, Kyria was done dirty in this ranking.
It depends on the way you look at it.
No diff = barely any effort, took no damage
Low diff = took some damage
Mid diff = took quite a bit of damage, spent significant effort
High diff = injured a lot, needed heavy effort
Extreme diff = barely standing by the end, nearly exhausted of magic power

By this, Kiria falls between no diff and low diff for me. Laxus had zero injury, he barely even moved from his position. But he did use a secret art.

No way she's making it to top ten with her stats. Lots of others are worthy.
And yes, she's above those you mentioned except Sting, Mard, Elfman and maybe Jura and Jacob. I've no idea how Lucy, Wendy, Orga or brandish got into someone's top ten lol.
 

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Acno's crush >>> Irene's casual claw swipe :handgun


not true.

Jellal = Laxus >= Erza


Acno took a note of Jellal while he didn't even notice August and Jacob.
Erza >>>> Jellal. Irene breaking Erza's bones > Acno squeezing Jellal which did zero lasting damage lol.

Putting someone in bondage who is not resisting takes no effort while fighting a Red Lightning Dragon does lol.

Laxus = Erza >>> Jellal. Boy got no feats on their level.

When? He only talked to Wendy to boast about being the Dragon of Magic and then was literally spouting that same line throughout the rest of the manga so we know he was immune to magic when he got beat by Plot forced empowered Natsu :fan
 

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I am not in the discussion but I don't agree with this view of yours.

What do you mean you should not consider hype ? You realise Gildarts is the strongest mage in FT only on the basis of his hype right ? His only feat is getting low diffed/made of a joke by August which is used to portray how powerful August is that he made Gildarts look like a joke. It's by hype that Gildarts is considered the strongest mage of FT. Strictly feat wise even Base Natsu >>>>>> Gildarts.
People consider Gildarts as the strongest not necessarily because of his hype, but also because of the word of god. There have been chapters with narration with him being called the strongest Fairy Tail member. His showings put him on the level of Laxus, at least. Gildarts is the strongest because he managed to put up a better fight against August than Crime Sorciere did. He managed to crash August, and the only reason he got around to that was because of his type of magic.

If you think Base Natsu can do way way better than that, then feel free to think so. I'm not even gonna bother past that.

Hype is shouldn't always be considered correct, but that's when feats contradict it. Like for example when Makarov said even strongest of FT members will find it difficult to beat a Spriggan. That's when hype is discarded since feats contradict it. However God Serena has no such anti feats and he got oneshotted by Acnologia . Plus his historia has at least feats of clashing with Gildarts and trading blows with him , and it required Gildarts a named spell and serious attack to oneshot him. Impressive I'd say , for a historia.
I'm not discarding hype at all and I'm not sure where you're getting that from. I'm just saying this isn't the place for it and that's mostly what Serena has, hype. Use it when it's needed, but don't rely on it to the core, especially when it's not the topic of the thread. I mean, what has Serena tanked, really? A headbutt from a non-serious Gildarts? I mean, you can easily see he was on the losing end of a fight Gildarts wasn't even taking particularly seriously.

Gildarts one-shotted him the moment he used a named spell. That doesn't scream hype to me.

I know, but his feats show that his hype was valid. Gild used a named move to beat him. Unlike Gild, God Serena didn't have his true stats yet he was still able to damage Gildarts who had his full power. That is a testament of his power bcs even if Gild was holding back his power, his stats are literally the same as he had his full MP.

God Serena being able to clash off with and hurt Gild despite his stats being at a fraction his actual power is a pretty amazing feat.
I don't think he 'damaged' Gildarts any more than Lucy 'damaged' Mirajane. They both had scratches after the bout but throughout the fight, never actually showed any signs of struggle. Gildarts one-shotting him the moment he got serious doesn't exactly help his image either. Best thing I can see Serena did was the clash, and even then, I don't think that's enough to warrant the hype that you're all saying he deserves, nor is that relevant here, considering that mostly shows his strength, not his durability.
 

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Erza >>>> Jellal. Irene breaking Erza's bones > Acno squeezing Jellal which did zero lasting damage lol.
that's because Jellal is a tank BOI :hee
Putting someone in bondage who is not resisting takes no effort while fighting a Red Lightning Dragon does lol.

Laxus = Erza >>> Jellal. Boy got no feats on their level.
he still took it with no damage while not fighting against it.

When? He only talked to Wendy to boast about being the Dragon of Magic and then was literally spouting that same line throughout the rest of the manga so we know he was immune to magic when he got beat by Plot forced empowered Natsu :fan
he did talk to Jellal and he is no Slayer.

that alone makes him >>> August :cheez
 

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that's because Jellal is a tank BOI :hee

he still took it with no damage while not fighting against it.


he did talk to Jellal and he is no Slayer.

that alone makes him >>> August :cheez
Someone who got oneshotted by Neinheart can never be considered a tank. :hee

Why would she hurt a man who's not resisting?

When? All he did was boast of himself being the DoM. He never actually conversed with Jellal lol.

@Kurumi Tokisaki shows August >>> Jellal.
 

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It depends on the way you look at it.
No diff = barely any effort, took no damage
Low diff = took some damage
Mid diff = took quite a bit of damage, spent significant effort
High diff = injured a lot, needed heavy effort
Extreme diff = barely standing by the end, nearly exhausted of magic power

By this, Kiria falls between no diff and low diff for me. Laxus had zero injury, he barely even moved from his position. But he did use a secret art.

No way she's making it to top ten with her stats. Lots of others are worthy.
And yes, she's above those you mentioned except Sting, Mard, Elfman and maybe Jura and Jacob. I've no idea how Lucy, Wendy, Orga or brandish got into someone's top ten lol.
I agree with everything except the bolded parts.

Mard and Elfman are the ones I can see why you would think they are near her level of durability/tankiness, but I wouldn't put them on her level. Skullion doesn't really seem to damage people that much outside of outright one-shotting via Black Ash, and Madmole is only really an issue because the dude is crazy tough to damage (not saying his offence is bad). From that I feel confident in saying that there's no way Elfman has tanked enough damage to compare to a Secret Art from Laxus. As for Mard, he had crazy durability and endurance pre-skip but I'm not convinced that's enough to compare with 100YQ levels. I guess it depends on if you think he could tank a Secret Art from 100YQ Laxus. Personally I don't since it was made very clear just how much the main cast improved over the time-skip. I mean Laxus went from extreme-diffing Jura in GMG to killing a supposed equal of Serena's with one spell and beating Hades while completely exhausted.

But the ones I really disagree on are Sting, Jura and Jacob. I love Sting from the bottom of my heart (my fav character aside from Jellal and Bradman) but, at least for now, there's no way he's tanking what Kyria took. He was getting wounded by Larcade's physical strikes and only really won their fight due to numerous beneficial factors. Jura shouldn't be anywhere near Kyria in durability, Serena massacred him and 3 of his superiors once casually and then again once he got serious - and 100YQ Laxus should absolutely crap on Serena's offensive output. Finally, Jacob would get outright killed by Roaring Thunder. An FDKM Demo Fist from Natsu one-shotted him, we've seen August says a nameless nuke from Laxus would kill Ajeel and most importantly we saw how Laxus immediately killed Wahl when he could actually affect him with Magic.
 

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Someone who got oneshotted by Neinheart can never be considered a tank. :hee
an outliner :pwnge
Why would she hurt a man who's not resisting?
no, I mean wrapping is hurtful as her punch against Laxus.

When? All he did was boast of himself being the DoM. He never actually conversed with Jellal lol.
he did.

he said something like You who wants to die.


@Kurumi Tokisaki shows August >>> Jellal.
Jellal held back :datass
 

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an outliner :pwnge

no, I mean wrapping is hurtful as her punch against Laxus.


he did.

he said something like You who wants to die.



Jellal held back :datass
Jellal fanboy :pwnge
 

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an outliner :pwnge

no, I mean wrapping is hurtful as her punch against Laxus.


he did.

he said something like You who wants to die.



Jellal held back :datass
An outlier would be him facing Acno. The dude has consistently been beat up by lower level scrubs *cough*OS*cough*.

You're hurting my soul with this level of trolling :yodawg

Yeah, while he was boasting about himself being the DoM. He never actually conversed with Jellal.

Fool try to use PoF and got stepped on lol.
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I should have seen the way @Jean Grey. Lucy is overpowered bcs she tanked Natsu's groping and Natsu equals God tiers. Bondage = attack power is the truth :ttgl
 

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An outlier would be him facing Acno. The dude has consistently been beat up by lower level scrubs *cough*OS*cough*.
he fought Jura as well who is/was Laxus level.
You're hurting my soul with this level of trolling :yodawg
just using logic :cheez

Yeah, while he was boasting about himself being the DoM. He never actually conversed with Jellal.

Fool try to use PoF and got stepped on lol.
he still pushed him back :pwnge
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I should have seen the way @Jean Grey. Lucy is overpowered bcs she tanked Natsu's groping and Natsu equals God tiers. Bondage = attack power is the truth :ttgl
Lucy took an Amaterasu formula that took down Laxus :hip
 

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He never got to go lol. He was in FoE maximum mode which is his strongest mode with zero external amps against Acno and Zeref. Against Merc he didn't get the chance to bust it out bcs Ignia gave him FDG mode.


Him consistently wacked by people with low level attack power is consistent.

What's not consistent is fighting a guy who made August piss his pants while only walking :yodawg
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Oof, when Acno was looking good and not getting hit by a ship Wall oneshotted from 400 km away :feelsbadman

:datass
So seeing as Natsu never used the mode against god tiers.....All I'm getting from this is ....

Jacob is still trash. :derp
 

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he fought Jura as well who is/was Laxus level.

just using logic :cheez



Fool try to use PoF and got stepped on lol.
he still pushed him back :pwnge
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In a small skirmish and Jura thought he was that scrub Mystogan

Yes. Lucy is omnipresent since she was able to no sell attacks on her breast from Natsu's groping and Natsu can burn the space-time continuum which makes Lucy a literal god. I concede :uguu

And did nothing :slowly:vin
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So seeing as Natsu never used the mode against god tiers.....All I'm getting from this is ....

Jacob is still trash. :derp
Natsu trashed people without using the mode so Jacob is on a level even God tiers can't reach :ttgl

Everyone is trash before Natsu except Lucy. Me and @Jean Grey have already established her being omnipotence and the only threat to Mashymre. O0
 

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In a small skirmish and Jura thought he was that scrub Mystogan
and yet he still used magic against him :yay

Everyone is trash before Natsu except Lucy. Me and @Jean Grey have already established her being omnipotence and the only threat Mashymre. O0
Lucy called Mashymre trash basically so Lucy >>>> :hip
 

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I agree with everything except the bolded parts.

Mard and Elfman are the ones I can see why you would think they are near her level of durability/tankiness, but I wouldn't put them on her level. Skullion doesn't really seem to damage people that much outside of outright one-shotting via Black Ash, and Madmole is only really an issue because the dude is crazy tough to damage (not saying his offence is bad). From that I feel confident in saying that there's no way Elfman has tanked enough damage to compare to a Secret Art from Laxus. As for Mard, he had crazy durability and endurance pre-skip but I'm not convinced that's enough to compare with 100YQ levels. I guess it depends on if you think he could tank a Secret Art from 100YQ Laxus. Personally I don't since it was made very clear just how much the main cast improved over the time-skip. I mean Laxus went from extreme-diffing Jura in GMG to killing a supposed equal of Serena's with one spell and beating Hades while completely exhausted.

But the ones I really disagree on are Sting, Jura and Jacob. I love Sting from the bottom of my heart (my fav character aside from Jellal and Bradman) but, at least for now, there's no way he's tanking what Kyria took. He was getting wounded by Larcade's physical strikes and only really won their fight due to numerous beneficial factors. Jura shouldn't be anywhere near Kyria in durability, Serena massacred him and 3 of his superiors once casually and then again once he got serious - and 100YQ Laxus should absolutely crap on Serena's offensive output. Finally, Jacob would get outright killed by Roaring Thunder. An FDKM Demo Fist from Natsu one-shotted him, we've seen August says a nameless nuke from Laxus would kill Ajeel and most importantly we saw how Laxus immediately killed Wahl when he could actually affect him with Magic.
The reason I'm thinking that Jura isn't totally powercrept is because Makarov is still seen in high regards. And I see Jura in the same level as Makarov.
Serena is just that strong. The fact that he overwhelmed base team Natsu with just a fraction of his power speaks for itself, and he made Gildarts use his finisher move series. Just his headbutt with Gildarts blew away team Natsu and made them comment on the magic power (and they were already used to the 'typical' Spriggan magic power). All this from a historia.
Of Course Jura got rekt by the original.

Mard took negligible damage from anything that's not devil Slayer spell. Including POF + DF Natsu, and CSK (whose attacks were destroying mountain ranges, Mard just used his energy shield casually in base).
Mard was waay above anyone in that arc. He was like the August of the arc, nobody could touch him (except for Gray with his Slayer powers).
And now to that, add the fact that he can even regenerate (as he did when Gray damaged him, the entire reason why tartarus could revive demons was because of his powers as mentioned by them). He's an absolute tank.
It's implied that full power Mard = full power CSK, maybe once we see CSK at full power (if) we'll know how strong Mard truly was.


Laxus isn't shitting on Serena, unless you think Laxus is shitting on Alverez arc Gildarts. I said more of Serena in my first para too.
I see Alverez Gildarts > current Laxus, and same applies to Serena.

Larcade's magic power is said to be comparable to August and Eileen. Sure, his physical stats are trash (relative to his magic power, the typical Spriggan with high magic power and hax); but it was good enough to fodderize Kagura's archenemy. At least it's something. It's good enough to put both Larcade and Sting above Kyria who basically got fodderized by Laxus who barely moved from where he stood.

None of them killed Erza, it? To be completely honest, Laxus hype train went down for me from that fight. Erza struggled against Ajeel and was beaten by three historia from Neinhart. But she, albeit with external buffs, managed to give my boi extreme diff.
I was elated that he won, just cause she's fucking Erza, the queen of bullshit; but broadly speaking I was disappointed.
 

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That was baby magic. He was tryna give the man a chance bcs Jura is a good boi and one of the few that still respects Makarov :yodawg
:pwnge

Jellal was still ready to face off against Laxus


Lucy is Kratos confirmed.
hey don't mistake greatness (Kratos) with decent (Lucy) :teehee

still funny though 😂😂😂
 

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@Kiki
Physical strength =/= tankiness. Tankiness is how much damage your can take.
Physical strength is just that.

Bacchus for eg, had high physical strength but was trash in tankiness
 
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