Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[AmitDS]

You use wrong examples (I comment only part of post due economy of place).

1) Brandish vs Lucy is irrelevant.
DiMaria stated "how long you (Randi) will play a comedy and pretending you're fight her". Brandish noticed DiMaria near and so...

So all Lucy efforts.. yeah, it's cool, but it's meaningless. DiMaria in blick of eyes stomp both Brandish and Lucy. Brandish could do similar for Lucy (as DiMaria confirmed).

2) Lucy vs Elfman

Elfman is tank. It doesn't have any value how fast can move or how much his opponent has APS.
Destiny for tank (character, noun) is... tank (verb) damage.

Elfman is physical tank (who tanked as well Natsu and Gray punches) - Lucy is summoner.
Elfman kick would result "kyaa" by Lucy.
So, Lucy should beat Elfman before he reaches her, But Lucy is unable to do so.

Did you really see in manga how Lucy received full-kick in her face ?! She is a girl and she's summoner in 1st and 2nd place. It's not her destiny.

Compare combat capabilities between Lucy and Elfman… as between Chuck Norris and Emilia Clarke.

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It's funny and sad.

Lucy suffer same fate as summoners in each MMORPG.

With endgame gear ~ summons are trash (and /almost/ for one nuke), but your skills weaker then non-summon classes have.

Brandish can one shot with her power. She wasn't playing with her physicals. Lucy has star dresses that boosts her physicals and you don't actually know if Lucy +2-3 spirits can lose to him because they never fought.

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Sure. Lucy can copy herself, but the strongest attack Lucy herself can use is still her star dress mix. Which Elfman can tank.

I make no claims on the difficulty, but the bottom line is that Lucy didn't win any exchanges against Elfman. Elfman tanked Lucy's best attack, and then beat Loke, and then stalemated the guy that oneshotted Taurus. At face value, he simply has better showings.

I don't think it's confirmed 100% that Elfman can beat Lucy for sure 100% of the time if it's just the two of them fighting and as I said before they didn't actually have confrontation properly. He got one attack from her , an AOE move that hit Lisanna and Mira too, and regardless of its power, it hit him while he was basically fresh. Her strongest move not taking him out while he's fresh isn't indicative that he would just win and tank everything. Damage builds as a fight goes on and it's not like numbers fail to make a difference as he himself showed us an arc ago. He also isn't immune to damage to the extent that Madmole was. It wasn't a finisher after they both fought one another they were worn down. He was fighting Leo the entire time during that fight.

And all this is ignoring her sacrificing Leo to invoke CSK though idk if that counts.

 

[grey matter]

Wait, why is this debate even a thing?

Elfman STALEMATED Madmole, one of the stronger Dragon Eaters who tanked Natsu's attacks.

That alone should put Elfman >> Lucy

And that is ignoring the fact that Elfman no sold Lucy's strongest known move too (which involved combo dress from her strongest spirit - Leo)

To anyone who's confused about Elfman vs Lucy, are you confused the same way about Mira vs Lucy too?
Because Elfman right now has comparable feats with Mira, the only thing keeping Mira over Elfman is her hype. Elfman with his current feats can, at the very least, give Mira a mid diff, if not high diff.

 

[AmitDS]

Wait, why is this debate even a thing?

Elfman STALEMATED Madmole, one of the stronger Dragon Eaters who tanked Natsu's attacks.

That alone should put Elfman >> Lucy

And that is ignoring the fact that Elfman no sold Lucy's strongest known move too (which involved combo dress from her strongest spirit - Leo)

To anyone who's confused about Elfman vs Lucy, are you confused the same way about Mira vs Lucy too?
Because Elfman right now has comparable feats with Mira, the only thing keeping Mira over Elfman is her hype. Elfman with his current feats can, at the very least, give Mira a mid diff, if not high diff.

Elfman is comparable to Mirajane? Well does that make him stronger than Gray and Gajeel? Since drawing with Madmole = BSS drawing with Skullion. After all, you can't use Lucy's fight alone to compare Mirajane and Elfman's feats.

 

[yutu]

Wait, why is this debate even a thing?

Elfman STALEMATED Madmole, one of the stronger Dragon Eaters who tanked Natsu's attacks.

That alone should put Elfman >> Lucy

And that is ignoring the fact that Elfman no sold Lucy's strongest known move too (which involved combo dress from her strongest spirit - Leo)

To anyone who's confused about Elfman vs Lucy, are you confused the same way about Mira vs Lucy too?
Because Elfman right now has comparable feats with Mira, the only thing keeping Mira over Elfman is her hype. Elfman with his current feats can, at the very least, give Mira a mid diff, if not high diff.

During the great magic games bacchu has the same level with erza according to her, but elfman defeated bacchu thanks to his defense, makes him a magician of the same level as Bacchus or stronger than Erza I don't think. The same with ichiya who defeated bacchu and his teammate alone makes him a magician of erza level I don't think. So to say that since elfman resists madmole means superior to lucy who never fought her doesn't mean anything to me because it also means that elfman > natsu because this one lasted longer against madmole than natsu and I don't think anyone will say elfman > natsu because he lasted longer against madmole. So it should be the same for Lucy. Lucy's strongest move is always urano metria which can defeat an opponent stronger than her (example angel).

 

[grey matter]

During the great magic games bacchu has the same level with erza according to her, but elfman defeated bacchu thanks to his defense, makes him a magician of the same level as Bacchus or stronger than Erza I don't think. The same with ichiya who defeated bacchu and his teammate alone makes him a magician of erza level I don't think. So to say that since elfman resists madmole means superior to lucy who never fought her doesn't mean anything to me because it also means that elfman > natsu because this one lasted longer against madmole than natsu and I don't think anyone will say elfman > natsu because he lasted longer against madmole. So it should be the same for Lucy. Lucy's strongest move is always urano metria which can defeat an opponent stronger than her (example angel).

Natsu didn't go all out against Madmole. It was a brief skirmish rather than an all out fight.

Elfman is damn underrated. His fight with Bacchus served to demonstrate that. I was still sleeping on him, even after Bacchus, even after Ajeel, but no longer after Madmole. Stalemating Madmole and no selling Lucy convinced me. He's actually mid-top tier among FT mages.

Doesn't mean that he's stronger than Erza.
It just means that, SITUATIONALLY, Elfman can take down Erza or Mira.
Overall Erza > Mira > Elfman, no doubt about that.

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Elfman is comparable to Mirajane? Well does that make him stronger than Gray and Gajeel? Since drawing with Madmole = BSS drawing with Skullion. After all, you can't use Lucy's fight alone to compare Mirajane and Elfman's feats.

No, just because he can give Mira mid-high diff doesn't put him above Gray or Gajeel.

Do you honestly think that Gajeel or Gray can't even put up high diff against Mira?

 

[AmitDS]

Didn't Lucy combine her power with Gemini's in the form of Lucy in the past? I really don't see why people believe it's easy and already in the bag for Elfman when Lucy's magic is very versatile and Elfman's is not, Elfman's punches were tanked by Leo, Lucy surmised that she could use Taurus (at least his strength to fight Elfman) and she has already shown copying herself with Gemini in the past. Elfman is good at CQC and strength battles but weak against faster opponents. If we disregard plot and Mashima and only go on skills etc. Nothing is actually stopping Lucy in her Aquarius star dress from summoning Gemini-Lucy and using Aqua Metria along with other forms and spirits to get in hits. Can Elfman beat 2 Lucys and at least 1 spirit in 5 minutes? That's my problem with this hypothetical battle and people automatically saying that Elfman wins because he drew in a CQC and strength battle with Madmole and tanked 1 attack from Lucy while he was at full health and power.

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Natsu didn't go all out against Madmole. It was a brief skirmish rather than an all out fight.

Elfman is damn underrated. His fight with Bacchus served to demonstrate that. I was still sleeping on him, even after Bacchus, even after Ajeel, but no longer after Madmole. Stalemating Madmole and no selling Lucy convinced me. He's actually mid-top tier among FT mages.

Doesn't mean that he's stronger than Erza.
It just means that, SITUATIONALLY, Elfman can take down Erza or Mira.
Overall Erza > Mira > Elfman, no doubt about that.

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No, just because he can give Mira mid-high diff doesn't put him above Gray or Gajeel.

Do you honestly think that Gajeel or Gray can't even put up high diff against Mira?

No I just found it funny that you'd say that the only thing keeping Mirajane above Elfman is her hype which implies that they are equal by feats which that is not true. They have 1 feat similar and she outclasses him in others, later.

Tbh I don't know what diff Gajeel and Gray would lose to Mirajane right now. Gray kind of makes it hard to guess with his supposed advantage, which I call supposed because he acts like Mira is not only stronger, but better in a vs situation with him.

 

[grey matter]

Didn't Lucy combine her power with Gemini's in the form of Lucy in the past? I really don't see why people believe it's easy and already in the bag for Elfman when Lucy's magic is very versatile and Elfman's is not, Elfman's punches were tanked by Leo, Lucy surmised that she could use Taurus (at least his strength to fight Elfman) and she has already shown copying herself with Gemini in the past. Elfman is good at CQC and strength battles but weak against faster opponents. If we disregard plot and Mashima and only go on skills etc. Nothing is actually stopping Lucy in her Aquarius star dress from summoning Gemini-Lucy and using Aqua Metria along with other forms and spirits to get in hits. Can Elfman beat 2 Lucys and at least 1 spirit in 5 minutes? That's my problem with this hypothetical battle and people automatically saying that Elfman wins because he drew in a CQC and strength battle with Madmole and tanked 1 attack from Lucy while he was at full health and power.

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No I just found it funny that you'd say that the only thing keeping Mirajane above Elfman is her hype which implies that they are equal by feats which that is not true. They have 1 feat similar and she outclasses him in others, later.

Tbh I don't know what diff Gajeel and Gray would lose to Mirajane right now. Gray kind of makes it hard to guess with his supposed advantage, which I call supposed because he acts like Mira is not only stronger, but better in a vs situation with him.

Yeah, it's basically hype keeping her above Elfman in this arc.
They both tanked Lucy's spell the same way. They both stalemated two of the stronger Dragon Eaters. These are the only two feats they have in the arc.

If Gray has DS advantage, he stomps. Or else he would give at least high diff (but I can guarantee that he'll end up stronger once the arc is finished, just like in previous arc). Gajeel with his ISM, same.

 

[AmitDS]

Yeah, it's basically hype keeping her above Elfman in this arc.
They both tanked Lucy's spell the same way. They both stalemated two of the stronger Dragon Eaters. These are the only two feats they have in the arc.

If Gray has DS advantage, he stomps. Or else he would give at least high diff (but I can guarantee that he'll end up stronger once the arc is finished, just like in previous arc). Gajeel with his ISM, same.

Mira did it in her weakest form, the DE she fought mid diffed Gray and he is all but confirmed to be stronger than Madmole. If not, then according to this logic, Elfman is stronger than Gray right now by feats and that simply cannot make sense even in FT. So base Natsu overwhelmed Madmole and Elfman tied with him while Skullion mid diffed Gray and tied with Mirajane who is certainly above Elfman herself which leads us, along with Skullion being the leader of the trio, to believe that Skullion > Madmole. Skullion and Mirajane were also feared by Gray more so than Elfman which supports this.

Gray didn't end up stronger than her after all this time so it's also likely that he still wouldn't end up stronger if Mirajane and all the other side characters keep powering up too (Laxus, Gildarts, Jellal, Mirajane, Elfman, Gajeel) after this arc.

 

[yutu]

Natsu didn't go all out against Madmole. It was a brief skirmish rather than an all out fight.

Elfman is damn underrated. His fight with Bacchus served to demonstrate that. I was still sleeping on him, even after Bacchus, even after Ajeel, but no longer after Madmole. Stalemating Madmole and no selling Lucy convinced me. He's actually mid-top tier among FT mages.

Doesn't mean that he's stronger than Erza.
It just means that, SITUATIONALLY, Elfman can take down Erza or Mira.
Overall Erza > Mira > Elfman, no doubt about that.

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No, just because he can give Mira mid-high diff doesn't put him above Gray or Gajeel.

Do you honestly think that Gajeel or Gray can't even put up high diff against Mira?

If we follow the logic of elfman, we'll be able to keep an eye on madmole and more with loki = elfman > to lucy. This logic should be the same for elfman stands up to bacchus means elfman> erza. If we don't make the same logic with bacchu why do it with lucy. Except I don't know if lucy < elfman or vice versa. For me, to show such a character is superior to another is: that of gemini that can copy that person weaker or even level than lucy, See the person K. O is the other standing (laxus erza) or see during the fight one person in great shape and the other exhausted. Seeing Lucy run to look for Cana shows me that she is not exhausted (lack of magic) against Elfman and Mirajane. Knowing that Lucy uses two minds so more magic to counter 3 opponents than elfman, mirajane and lisanna and not being out of magic after the SDM shows that Lucy is not exhausted. Moreover, we don't know if the invocation of two spirits is equal:
a) 1 spirit= 50pp 2spirits= 25pp each so he shares the 50pp of one spirit it would mean that one spirit would be more powerful invoked alone than being invoked with another one
b) 1 spirit 50pp 2 spirit 50 pp each one means that their power would be identical even if they invoke it alone. But I think that's response b best.
b) 1 esprit 50pp 2 esprit 50 pp chacun sa signifie que leur puissance serai identique meme invoquer tout seul.
Mais je pense que c'est la response b la mieux.

 

[grey matter]

Mira did it in her weakest form, the DE she fought mid diffed Gray and he is all but confirmed to be stronger than Madmole. If not, then according to this logic, Elfman is stronger than Gray right now by feats and that simply cannot make sense even in FT. So base Natsu overwhelmed Madmole and Elfman tied with him while Skullion mid diffed Gray and tied with Mirajane who is certainly above Elfman herself which leads us, along with Skullion being the leader of the trio, to believe that Skullion > Madmole. Skullion and Mirajane were also feared by Gray more so than Elfman which supports this.

Gray didn't end up stronger than her after all this time so it's also likely that he still wouldn't end up stronger if Mirajane and all the other side characters keep powering up too (Laxus, Gildarts, Jellal, Mirajane, Elfman, Gajeel) after this arc.

The Dragon Eaters stomped everyone in Team Natsu. It's not just Gray who got stomped.
It was because they were caught off guard, and it was a brief skirmish. Not an actual serious battle. Gray cannot be judged based on that, in the same way Natsu or Erza can't be judged based on that.

Elfman not > Gray, because Gray is featless as of now. Unless feats are there, hype prevails.

Gray didn't fear Skullion lol, neither does he fear Mira.
He just recognize the obvious, that he can't just insta freeze them to end the fight. Insta freeze works only if the opponent is a tier or more below Gray. The others will simply break free. All Gray did was recognize that Mira or Skullion won't be a walk in the park; he'll have to exert significant powers.
Gray isn't like Natsu, he doesn't fight for the sake of fighting (except against Natsu which is just comedic effect). He fights to win, with minimal effort. IT's completely in character for him to wait for the right opportunity, unless he absolutely has to fight head on.

Gray wasn't stronger than her in Alverez arc? Ok...........

 

[AmitDS]

The Dragon Eaters stomped everyone in Team Natsu. It's not just Gray who got stomped.
It was because they were caught off guard, and it was a brief skirmish. Not an actual serious battle. Gray cannot be judged based on that, in the same way Natsu or Erza can't be judged based on that.

Elfman not > Gray, because Gray is featless as of now. Unless feats are there, hype prevails.

Gray didn't fear Skullion lol, neither does he fear Mira.
He just recognize the obvious, that he can't just insta freeze them to end the fight. Insta freeze works only if the opponent is a tier or more below Gray. The others will simply break free. All Gray did was recognize that Mira or Skullion won't be a walk in the park; he'll have to exert significant powers.
Gray isn't like Natsu, he doesn't fight for the sake of fighting (except against Natsu which is just comedic effect). He fights to win, with minimal effort. IT's completely in character for him to wait for the right opportunity, unless he absolutely has to fight head on.

Gray wasn't stronger than her in Alverez arc? Ok...........

Natsu and Erza ended up overwhelming their opponents. Gray didn't and still hasn't. Gray had a serious battle. What are you saying? If by serious you mean he didn't get a chance to use his POF or awaken new moves and strategies well yeah but unlike Erza and Natsu vs Madmole and Kyria, Gray used his best i.e. he used DeS powers, Silver and Zeroth long sword and lost to Skullion still. Erza only lost to a hax hypnosis ability and base Natsu was tossed onto a ship. Erza is immune to the hypnosis now and Natsu burned up Madmole and Gray still hasn't shown a new power, unlike those 2 who used old powers, to help him deal with Skullion. Hype and feats put Skullion above Gray and Madmole, especially if Madmole tied with Elfman.

Don't you think that if Gray was capable of beating him now that he would be allowed to do so and it would not be likely saved for a later arc where he likely gets stronger?

He is wary of Mirajane and Skullion not Madmole or Elfman and he knows Elfman well. He already said that Mirajane would be a pain to deal with like Laxus, Jellal and Gajeel, lamented having to deal with her and Skullion and now he says he was waiting for her to be quite injured before he tried to take her. When I say fear I mean he is hesitant to fight not paralyzed by fear to the point that he cannot do a thing.

And by feats Mirajane's base satan soul outclasses DeS Gray since she tied with Skullion and he lost clearly. Add that in to everything before and Gray knows he's weaker than Mirajane.

No he wasn't confirmed stronger than her in Alvarez because we don't actually know how powerful Mirajane was in Alvarez and Gray's only win was against someone stronger than him, whose magic could be manipulated by Gray's and who also lost because Gray got a POF rage boost after Juvia 'died'. Mirajane fought 2 people stronger than her BSS and ended up using an overkill move to basically kill them (deactivate their enchantment) then was weakened when she beat a weakened spriggan. Gray's other only showing was clashing with END Natsu but Erza was injured and blocked their final moves together barehanded with no magic or armor and now Gray's confirmed weaker than Mirajane again anyway so, add that to him being clearly weaker than her in all the arcs leading up to the final one (in Tartaros they both got power ups but his was an advantage over demons) and it's not impossible for her to be stronger than him even in the final arc.

She was stronger in all the arcs before the first time skip (she matched Azuma as well as Erza did while low on magic, w/o sitri and gave up to save Lisanna) then she trained for months when he got 2nd origin and he was equal to Lyon/Rufus then they both got DeS and all of Tartaros' souls in that arc before another time skip of training for a year followed by another time skip with training leading to the current arc where she is drawing with people who beat him and he himself is hyping her and now going to face her heavily injured. So he probably was stronger than her in the last arc, maybe, but never before of after that unless GMG Mirajane < GMG Lyon.

Mirajane's BSS low diffed Freed, overwhelmed Elfman, fought on par with Azuma, was shown on par with Erza's heavens wheel/black wing armor, fought on par with Seilah, was overpowered by Heine and Julliet, allowed her to finish Jacob and now let her fight on par and with Skullion therefore Heine and Julliet are strong unless the unlikely is true i.e. BSS was strong before and after that match but weak and fodder-ish for that fight and that fight only.

If Elfman is equal to Mirajane because he drew with Madmole and she drew with Skullion then by that same logic Elfman is stronger than Gray because he lost to Skullion while going all out.

 

[Axiomus]

I don't think it's confirmed 100% that Elfman can beat Lucy for sure 100% of the time if it's just the two of them fighting and as I said before they didn't actually have confrontation properly. He got one attack from her , an AOE move that hit Lisanna and Mira too, and regardless of its power, it hit him while he was basically fresh. Her strongest move not taking him out while he's fresh isn't indicative that he would just win and tank everything. Damage builds as a fight goes on and it's not like numbers fail to make a difference as he himself showed us an arc ago. He also isn't immune to damage to the extent that Madmole was. It wasn't a finisher after they both fought one another they were worn down. He was fighting Leo the entire time during that fight.

And all this is ignoring her sacrificing Leo to invoke CSK though idk if that counts.

We really don't need 100% certainty. Winning more than 50% of the time is enough to say someone is better.

But honestly, why can't we say Elfman would win 100% of the time? He tanked Lucy's star dress mix, beat up Loke, and stalemated Madmole. During the fight with Madmole, he did more damage to Madmole than Natsu's demolition fist did. Elfman's attack power is much higher than Lucy's, and his durability is enough so that he can tank Lucy's best attacks. What exactly can Lucy use now that her star dress mix has failed, and strongest spirits has been defeated? If Elfman can beat Loki, which is Lucy's strongest spirit, then he can beat any of Lucy's other spirits.

Didn't Lucy combine her power with Gemini's in the form of Lucy in the past? I really don't see why people believe it's easy and already in the bag for Elfman when Lucy's magic is very versatile and Elfman's is not, Elfman's punches were tanked by Leo, Lucy surmised that she could use Taurus (at least his strength to fight Elfman) and she has already shown copying herself with Gemini in the past. Elfman is good at CQC and strength battles but weak against faster opponents. If we disregard plot and Mashima and only go on skills etc. Nothing is actually stopping Lucy in her Aquarius star dress from summoning Gemini-Lucy and using Aqua Metria along with other forms and spirits to get in hits. Can Elfman beat 2 Lucys and at least 1 spirit in 5 minutes? That's my problem with this hypothetical battle and people automatically saying that Elfman wins because he drew in a CQC and strength battle with Madmole and tanked 1 attack from Lucy while he was at full health and power.

Yes, to cast Urano Metria. However, she arguably no longer needs to do this because she could just cast Urano Metria with the power boost Aquarius' star dress provides. That's what she used against Jackal, and that was more powerful than using Gemini to cast Urani Metria. By Lucy's own words, Gemini's power didn't make the spell as powerful as when Lucy first used it against Angel. Star Dress mix takes power from both Loki and Virgo, which makes it more powerful than Aquarius' star dress. Again, scaling off the Dragon Eaters, Aqua Metria and the star dress itself was easily defeated by a wave of Kyria's arms.

Spoiler

During the great magic games bacchu has the same level with erza according to her, but elfman defeated bacchu thanks to his defense, makes him a magician of the same level as Bacchus or stronger than Erza I don't think. The same with ichiya who defeated bacchu and his teammate alone makes him a magician of erza level I don't think. So to say that since elfman resists madmole means superior to lucy who never fought her doesn't mean anything to me because it also means that elfman > natsu because this one lasted longer against madmole than natsu and I don't think anyone will say elfman > natsu because he lasted longer against madmole. So it should be the same for Lucy. Lucy's strongest move is always urano metria which can defeat an opponent stronger than her (example angel).

Baccus was later defeated by Ichiya, which basically debunked his hype of being on Erza's level. Erza might have stalemated him in their prior exchanges, but that was probably because she wasn't going all out. Also, Natsu did better than Elfman against Madmole. FDK Purgatory did more damage. So no, Elfman isn't stronger than Natsu. He does, however, have an attack that is stronger than FDK demolition fist.

Again, Lucy already used Gemini in her fight. She used it to clone Lisanna, and then Gemini was immediately oneshotted by Skullion. Moreover, the strongest casting of Urano Metria wasn't with Gemini. It never was. The strongest casting of Urano Metria was with Aquarius' star dress. When Lucy used Gemini to cast Urano Metria, she actually said that it wasn't as powerful as when she casted it against Angel. This was after she unlocked second origin. So honestly, I'm not sure why this Gemini-combo is being touted. It would be more effective to have Gemini take another shot with star dress mix. But again, Elfman can already tank that.

 

[Crimson Ice]

The Dragon Eaters stomped everyone in Team Natsu. It's not just Gray who got stomped.
It was because they were caught off guard, and it was a brief skirmish. Not an actual serious battle. Gray cannot be judged based on that, in the same way Natsu or Erza can't be judged based on that.

Elfman not > Gray, because Gray is featless as of now. Unless feats are there, hype prevails.

Gray didn't fear Skullion lol, neither does he fear Mira.
He just recognize the obvious, that he can't just insta freeze them to end the fight. Insta freeze works only if the opponent is a tier or more below Gray. The others will simply break free. All Gray did was recognize that Mira or Skullion won't be a walk in the park; he'll have to exert significant powers.
Gray isn't like Natsu, he doesn't fight for the sake of fighting (except against Natsu which is just comedic effect). He fights to win, with minimal effort. IT's completely in character for him to wait for the right opportunity, unless he absolutely has to fight head on.

Gray wasn't stronger than her in Alverez arc? Ok...........

It’s not even that complicated with Gray and Elfman. People act like this sequel is a different continuity, Gray’s Alvarez feats>Any Elfman has done.

 

[grey matter]

It’s not even that complicated with Gray and Elfman. People act like this sequel is a different continuity, Gray’s Alvarez feats>Any Elfman has done.

Yeah I agree. All I'm saying is that Gray is currently featless in the arc, but yeah his feats in Alverez does put him above Elfman

 

[sharkai]

Whats all this fuss

All erza thought was after seeing and hearing things about laxus, she never thought he was on her level. Simple
She isnt arrogant she just never saw anything or heard of anything that would put laxus on her level.

Dono where gildarts came in

 

[LaGOAT]

Whats all this fuss

All erza thought was after seeing and hearing things about laxus, she never thought he was on her level. Simple
She isnt arrogant she just never saw anything or heard of anything that would put laxus on her level.

Dono where gildarts came in

But look at ur avi tho

 

[Seven777]

Whats all this fuss

All erza thought was after seeing and hearing things about laxus, she never thought he was on her level. Simple
She isnt arrogant she just never saw anything or heard of anything that would put laxus on her level.

Dono where gildarts came in

Or rather, she didn't think he was on the level of the entirety of team Natsu, cause you know, she says when "we" left she was worried about the guild. But it's alright, she knows better now.

 

[Demon Hunter]

Whats all this fuss

All erza thought was after seeing and hearing things about laxus, she never thought he was on her level. Simple
She isnt arrogant she just never saw anything or heard of anything that would put laxus on her level.

Dono where gildarts came in

that's rich coming from a guy with an awesome avi

 

[sharkai]

But look at ur avi tho

Or rather, she didn't think he was on the level of the entirety of team Natsu, cause you know, she says when "we" left she was worried about the guild. But it's alright, she knows better now.

that's rich coming from a guy with an awesome avi

Too bad i can barely see my own avi
Glad i didnt invest in an ipad or something

She can only compare herself with laxus.
She thought laxus was weaker than her. Now she knows he is strong enough to hang with her.
But yeah, she knows better now

Too bad the feats you guys used to rate laxus couple of tiers above erza, erza didnt even think of them as something worth while

 

[Seven777]

Too bad i can barely see my own avi
Glad i didnt invest in an ipad or something

She can only compare herself with laxus.
She thought laxus was weaker than her. Now she knows he is strong enough to hang with her.
But yeah, she knows better now

Too bad the feats you guys used to rate laxus couple of tiers above erza, erza didnt even think of them as something worth while

Nah dog, she was obviously comparing him to herself and the rest of team Natsu, prob why she wanted Gray and Natsu to help her against him. She knew he was at least a match for her, Natsu and Gray combined, but foolishly thought he couldn’t replace all of team Natsu. After all it took her with the power of Natsu, the power of Gray and the power of Wendy to match him. Only member missing is Lucy, but close enough considering he had to beat someone capable of soloing Lucy and Wendy immediately before.

Yep, good old Laxus, better than team Natsu since Tenrou