Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[LaGOAT]

@Jean Grey

Bro I am going to have to take a small hiatus for now due to work stuff mang

But don't worry I will be back whenever Laxus is back in the story.

I'll give my final take

Laxus used a portion of his power and stamina against Kyria and that fraction of reserve would have been present if he didn't gauntlet her before Erza so FACT he would have had more left in the tank if he was fighting at 100% like her. Also there have been an incredible number of fights in Fairy Tail where the winner was the last man standing even if that fighter went down afterwards, and this was Laxus. He outlasted her and then went down. FACT if Hiro wanted to portray them as TRUE equals he would have had them go down at the same time, not have one stand tall while the other prostates herself before him and gushes over his power.

Hiro wanted to display who is stronger but also have his favorite save face. Pleases everyone.

But I will say that even if she is weaker, she is now in the same tier as Laxus whereas before he was a tier above her. She has closed the gap but her comments about being happy that there has to be someone as strong as team Natsu at home to protect the guild implies that the gap will NEVER close fully. Laxus will always have to grow with team Natsu in order to be able to be strong enough to protect the guild.

Finally, I don't see the issue with Erza being shocked at Laxus's strength. She was there in the fight against Hades and was shocked at how incredibly powerful Laxus was hanging with him while she got ragdolled with team Natsu. She was also shocked how his lightning strike destroyed Ajeel's sands in one go.

However, since then Erza has grown much stronger. She fought Ajeel after, then Neinheart, and then Irene. She is now much stronger than she ever was then in Alvarez and she likely didn't think that Laxus's rate of growth could keep up even if he was stronger than her before. She wasn't quite sure which is why she would have liked to have Natsu or Gray with her, but Laxus dominating her for most of that fight proved to her that he is much stronger than before and can continue to grow stronger and thus is best served to protect the guild.

My bro explain it perfectly

@Jko this is what I meant

 

[Jko]

We'll just be going around and around for the others points lol, so I'll just ask about Kyouka and Ajeel

What feats does Kyouka have putting her over Jura? All she did was fight Erza evenly (before she got buffed by Sayla). Sigh, thinking about it makes me remember Erza fighting without any of her senses

Where does it state that Elfman's takeover could suck up sand? All I knew was that it was immune to sand attacks, from the panels.

Her buff by Seilah was minimal as Seilah was almost out of CP. She was able to destroy Erza's second strongest armor and blitz Erza who capable of blitzing so fast that not even Makarov could keep up with his eyesight. Kyouka also shrugged off getting smacked through an island. She only lost to Erza bcs of BS and the FACE activation was weakening her due to it killing her. Plus her hax would f Jura over.

Sand Eater was shown to suck up sand when it was introduced.

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Well the anime with its still imagery made it look that way lol.

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You fckn traitor

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If Heavens Wheel matched Mercury Fulminate Erza wouldn't have been the one to fall to her knees. Laxus won the exchange.

Yeah but lets face it, Acno's a jobber. Still, in Heavens Wheel she can fire everything including the kitchen sink, for all we know she shot Nakagami's spear at Laxus along with her various boob plates too. She don't even need to be in good condition to do it

It's funny, because if that's true and they aren't outside power ups she has to set up prior, then she's a better slayer than either Natsu or Gray, cause she's good for Dragons and Demons.

Laxus only lasted two seconds before he fell out lol. The clash itself was equal. The last attack was shown to exhaust both of them and they both were only up by hairs breath and koed from exhaustion.

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My bro explain it perfectly

@Jko this is what I meant

Laxus wasn't weakened by Kiria. Nothing was hinted of that or stated. He didn't even sustain injury and beat Kiria down easily. Saying Lacus wasn't at a 100 is like saying Gajeel wasn't at 100 versus Bloodman or Natsu wasn't a 100 versus Zeref lmao. Injuries are noted when they actually means something. As we see with Mira it was noted that Skullion injured her quite a bit and shown she was fatigued by the match. Just bcs he used Rage doesn't mean it even smidged his tank as even Gajeel is capable of using his secret tech against fodder and not have it exhaust a cent of power. He was actually states to fight fodder at only 1% of his real power lol.

Even if you want to argue fatigue then it could easily be argued that Erza did not go all out as she didn't use Nakagami against Raiko instead used one of her weaker armors like Heaven's Wheel.... She also wasted magic via reequiping for Jellal. She also was wasting her power trying to get out of bind snake and we know that bind snake was capable of exhausting her as even after she got up from Natsu knocking her out she could barely move.

They are portrayed and stated to be equivalent lol. Their fight was a draw as both parties admitted defeat and the author drew the chapter 46 cover as a double KO.

LoL so Erza thinking that Laxus is much stronger than expected suddenly means he was below her all those arcs before even though the evidence prove otherwise

it just means that Erza is cocky and arrogant.

it doesn't take a genius to know that Laxus >>> Erza any arc.

call them almost equal now if you wish but before that, Laxus was above her.

Laxus admitted small attacks won't work and proceeded to use RL to down Erza. He didn't have RL in Alvarez... and Erza was only shocked at the power of RL. Kind of implies that Alvarez Erza > Alvarez Laxus

 

[Demon Hunter]

Laxus admitted small attacks won't work and proceeded to use RL to down Erza. He didn't have RL in Alvarez... and Erza was only shocked at the power of RL. Kind of implies that Alvarez Erza > Alvarez Laxus

Hence why I said now since she has all those DS stuff

 

[Jko]

Hence why I said now since she has all those DS stuff

The DS stuff doesn't boost her stats lol. She is capable of harming in her regular armors without the swords as well lol.

 

[Seven777]

Her buff by Seilah was minimal as Seilah was almost out of CP. She was able to destroy Erza's second strongest armor and blitz Erza who capable of blitzing so fast that not even Makarov could keep up with his eyesight. Kyouka also shrugged off getting smacked through an island. She only lost to Erza bcs of BS and the FACE activation was weakening her due to it killing her. Plus her hax would f Jura over.

Sand Eater was shown to suck up sand when it was introduced.

Spoiler

Well the anime with its still imagery made it look that way lol.

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Laxus only lasted two seconds before he fell out lol. The clash itself was equal. The last attack was shown to exhaust both of them and they both were only up by hairs breath and koed from exhaustion.

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Laxus wasn't weakened by Kiria. Nothing was hinted of that or stated. He didn't even sustain injury and beat Kiria down easily. Saying Lacus wasn't at a 100 is like saying Gajeel wasn't at 100 versus Bloodman or Natsu wasn't a 100 versus Zeref lmao. Injuries are noted when they actually means something. As we see with Mira it was noted that Skullion injured her quite a bit and shown she was fatigued by the match. Just bcs he used Rage doesn't mean it even smidged his tank as even Gajeel is capable of using his secret tech against fodder and not have it exhaust a cent of power. He was actually states to fight fodder at only 1% of his real power lol.

Even if you want to argue fatigue then it could easily be argued that Erza did not go all out as she didn't use Nakagami against Raiko instead used one of her weaker armors like Heaven's Wheel.... She also wasted magic via reequiping for Jellal. She also was wasting her power trying to get out of bind snake and we know that bind snake was capable of exhausting her as even after she got up from Natsu knocking her out she could barely move.

They are portrayed and stated to be equivalent lol. Their fight was a draw as both parties admitted defeat and the author drew the chapter 46 cover as a double KO.


Laxus admitted small attacks won't work and proceeded to use RL to down Erza. He didn't have RL in Alvarez... and Erza was only shocked at the power of RL. Kind of implies that Alvarez Erza > Alvarez Laxus

Laxus lasted her entire speech and he didn't fall to his knees, he sat down. He won the exchange, which won him the fight, that's why it was the last exchange they had.

Laxus wasn't weakened by Kyria, but he would have had at minimum a secret art and a bunch of normal lightning attacks afterwards had he not fought her. Erza was messing around with Jellal, and she didn't fight anyone back to back, she had the entire time Laxus used to beat down Kyria to recover. As for mentioning it in the manga, it's a minute difference, so why bother, doesn't change that Laxus won in the end and could've killed her in the time she was making her speech.

The DS stuff doesn't boost her stats lol. She is capable of harming in her regular armors without the swords as well lol.

Kinda does, as much as FDKM or LFDM boosts Natsu. It's extra offense like any other powerup.

 

[Jko]

Laxus lasted her entire speech and he didn't fall to his knees, he sat down. He won the exchange, which won him the fight, that's why it was the last exchange they had.

Laxus wasn't weakened by Kyria, but he would have had at minimum a secret art and a bunch of normal lightning attacks afterwards had he not fought her. Erza was messing around with Jellal, and she didn't fight anyone back to back, she had the entire time Laxus used to beat down Kyria to recover. As for mentioning it in the manga, it's a minute difference, so why bother, doesn't change that Laxus won in the end and could've killed her in the time she was making her speech.


Kinda does, as much as FDKM or LFDM boosts Natsu. It's extra offense like any other powerup.

She was up her entire speech as well lol. He fell and passed out. That was supported by him being out magic and stating he lost as well. Then we get Kiria and the author admitting a double KO. He didn't rest otherwise he would have destroyed the orb and wouldn't have let Kiria try to eat him lmfao.

We saw one secret art and basic punches. That would have did nothing to his power. She didn't have time to recover as she had to get out of bind snake the entire time and then run back to Laxus. Her spamming reequip would be the equivalent of Laxus spamming no named moves and one named move. It wasn't a minute difference. He fell out in the next page of her lol. He couldn't even move so how the hell could he kill her? He was exhausted and passed out. He had nothing in the tank which is why he couldn't down Erza with his fist in the first place lmfao. The author even tells us it was a double KO which means both parties took each other out.

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LFDM nor FDKM boost Natsu's stats or even his MP. They just boost the power of his fire. A power up would be DeS, Stardress, Takeover or DF as they actually increase stats and/or MP.

 

[Demon Hunter]

The DS stuff doesn't boost her stats lol. She is capable of harming in her regular armors without the swords as well lol.

BRUH

this is what Laxus does to Erza when she doesn't have Dragon Seal

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Laxus ONLY resorted to RLDM because she went DS

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so either:

1. Dragon Seal gives her a boost
2. Dragon Seal makes her more effective against Dragon Slayers, otherwise she would use regular red pants
3. it doesn't do anything

the third option is out of the question so only first two so take your pick.

people don't say Laxus was weakened. Erza collapsed due to injuries as well as not having enough MP, Laxus didn't.

he had lesser injuries so he managed to walk up to her and stare at her while listening to her speech.

he was out of MP. MP that he lost against Kiria, even if they are not that big, would give Laxus enough energy to do one attack at least.

 

[Seven777]

She was up her entire speech as well lol. He fell and passed out. That was supported by him being out magic and stating he lost as well. Then we get Kiria and the author admitting a double KO. He didn't rest otherwise he would have destroyed the orb and wouldn't have let Kiria try to eat him lmfao.

We saw one secret art and basic punches. That would have did nothing to his power. She didn't have time to recover as she had to get out of bind snake the entire time and then run back to Laxus. Her spamming reequip would be the equivalent of Laxus spamming no named moves and one named move. It wasn't a minute difference. He fell out in the next page of her lol. He couldn't even move so how the hell could he kill her? He was exhausted and passed out. He had nothing in the tank which is why he couldn't down Erza with his fist in the first place lmfao. The author even tells us it was a double KO which means both parties took each other out.

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LFDM nor FDKM boost Natsu's stats or even his MP. They just boost the power of his fire. A power up would be DeS, Stardress, Takeover or DF as they actually increase stats and/or MP.

If by "up" you mean kneeling before Laxus' glory, I agree with you. He did rest, because he was out of MP, you need magic to break the orb.

Yeah, one Secret Art, the equivalent of Nakagami back in the day, that and basic punches all wasted on Kyria. Erza tried harder in her fight with Kyria than she did on Jellal lol, and she didn't even win. Add excessive recovery time on top of that running back to Laxus and she's good. As for it being a double K.O, so what? Some of the most pivotal wins in the manga have been a double K.O. Natsu vs Gajeel, Natsu vs Laxus, Bluenote vs Gildarts, Laxus vs Historia Hades, even friggin Erza vs Ajeel. Doesn't change the fact that they're all wins, unless your saying Erza didn't beat Ajeel?

 

[Fyron]

Laxus wouldn't have oneshotted Ajeel imo.

First of all , Erza's DS swords didn't have her MP , it was Natsu and Gray's power. She had enchanted their power into her swords in case of an emergency.

Secondly , if the fight with Erza proves anything , it proves that while Laxus' offensive stats are on par with some others like Natsu , Erza , etc. ,what places him a cut above them in a fight is his durability/tankiness. His offense is on par with Natsu and Erza because Erza could tank his red lightning attacks , and we've seen enough showings of Erza's durability. ( Although she got a 2 on the list , I feel she shouldn't be there. She should be lower ) She can still be damaged by Natsu tier attacks. She tanked it , which means his offense is rather the same as others.

However , his tankiness is what's dangerous about him. He took Erza , Natsu and Gray's attacks before going down. Now that's a feat. If Natsu or Erza were to fight him alone , it would take them about 2-2.5 times more time to put down Laxus. Erza isn't lasting that long , may be Natsu but I can see him going down towards the end.

So while I think his attack stats are on par with Natsu and Erza , his tankiness is really high. So , I think him oneshotting Ajeel with a casual bolt doesn't make sense. Also I don't see him oneshotting Wahl as a particularly impressve feat, we've to keep in mind once Wahl's lightning immunity was bypassed his inherent weakness to lightning of the machias race kicked in. Plus Laxus had to use his strongest attack to kill him. To me that's just as impressive as Gray killing Tempester with DeS tbf. Laxus had an advantage.

Also I don't know if you guys have noticed this or not , but the author is trying to explain the power scaling of the Alvarez arc properly to the public and what he meant by it , because the salty viewers don't give a second thought to power scaling of Alvarez and make dumb conclusions. ( several examples can be found right here on this forum ) The author knows the public is pissed off with him , so he's trying to retcon the shit he did in the Alvarez arc.

This fight imo was kinda to suggest Laxus offense stats are on par with Natsu and Erza , so e wouldn't have oneshotted Ajeel. He wanted us to consider Ajeel's line to get us hyped up . That's the reason he even gave Elfman a fight with a Dragon Eater. He doesn't consider Ajeel that weak as most of this forum makes him out to be . And if you see closely , the author's doing the same with Mirajane too. He wanted to say that Juliet and Heine were just that strong , it wasn't Mirajane that was weak. That would make Irene a strong enchanter too . He's also trying to do the same for Acno and Zeref by using scaling them to the god dragons and the WW.

In short , character who were shit upon/misinterpreted in Alvarez are gona get their places here. Hopefully we'd get to see END again, and this time a more impressive version. Probably GoI too , which is being hinted at as Makarov is still shown to be in the game.

 

[Jko]

If by "up" you mean kneeling before Laxus' glory, I agree with you. He did rest, because he was out of MP, you need magic to break the orb.

Yeah, one Secret Art, the equivalent of Nakagami back in the day, that and basic punches all wasted on Kyria. Erza tried harder in her fight with Kyria than she did on Jellal lol, and she didn't even win. Add excessive recovery time on top of that running back to Laxus and she's good. As for it being a double K.O, so what? Some of the most pivotal wins in the manga have been a double K.O. Natsu vs Gajeel, Natsu vs Laxus, Bluenote vs Gildarts, Laxus vs Historia Hades, even friggin Erza vs Ajeel. Doesn't change the fact that they're all wins, unless your saying Erza didn't beat Ajeel?

Nah, she was up. As soon as he fell on his butt he proceeded to pass out. That's why Kiria was all over him as he was passed out lol. Yeah, he was sure resting, that's why he woke up to see Kiria about to feasts on him. He was KOed which is why it is stated it was as a double K.O. by the author.

Back in the day, Gajeel's Secret Art was his strongest move but now it's a fodder level tech to him.

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Erza was going to beat her in Fire Empress lol. She only beat Erza due to hax which Laxus had to bs his way through lol. Erza actually used more reequips on Jellal than she did on Kiria. How is recovery time when she has to use energy to run back?

Most of those weren't even stated or come close to a double K.O. Secondly, the person actually KOed their opponents from their attacks not due to exhaustion lol. Erza didn't win Ajeel alone either lol.

 

[Seven777]

Nah, she was up. As soon as he fell on his butt he proceeded to pass out. That's why Kiria was all over him as he was passed out lol. Yeah, he was sure resting, that's why he woke up to see Kiria about to feasts on him. He was KOed which is why it is stated it was as a double K.O. by the author.

Back in the day, Gajeel's Secret Art was his strongest move but now it's a fodder level tech to him.

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Erza was going to beat her in Fire Empress lol. She only beat Erza due to hax which Laxus had to bs his way through lol. Erza actually used more reequips on Jellal than she did on Kiria. How is recovery time when she has to use energy to run back?

Most of those weren't even stated or come close to a double K.O. Secondly, the person actually KOed their opponents from their attacks not due to exhaustion lol. Erza didn't win Ajeel alone either lol.

It was a rough fight, he needed to recover so he could bust the orb. Killing Kyria probably would've been a smart thing to do, but then again he should've killed her straight after he won, looks like he's still a goody two shoes at heart.

Using a move doesn't make it fodder, Natsu and Gray spam Demo Fist and Zeroth Longsword all the time, it's still their top tier shit. That aside, all I said is that it was his version of Nakagami, since I remember some people saying Erza should've used it for some reason.

I didn't say Erza wasn't going to beat her, I said she spent more effort beating her than she did playing with Jellal. True Benizakura>random sexy armor. Running don't cost MP, neither does being in the bind snake for that matter.
Erza in her second round with Kyria, had to use True Benizakura with a Flame Empress named attack just to reduce Kyria to a similar state Laxus did with his off-panel beating. Assuming Erza is at least close to Laxus level, that means Laxus' off-panel beating used at least as much power, likely more, as Erza's new best shit. On top of that he used Roaring Thunder, a spell that is equivalent to Erza's Nakagami, to finish her off.
Say what you want about Kyria, but it took Erza real effort, much more than she spent on Jellal, just to win an exchange with her, probably why she was suprised Laxus had already finished her. Laxus beating Kyria outright, even uninjured, should have cost him even more power than Erza spent when she fought her, assuming Erza is indeed Laxus' peer.

What are you talking about? Erza literally passed out the second she beat Ajeel, Natsu had to save her from eating a dirt sandwich. As for being alone, who cares? She still won is my point, despite passing out. Passing out after a fight doesn't negate the win.

 

[Jko]

BRUH

this is what Laxus does to Erza when she doesn't have Dragon Seal

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Laxus ONLY resorted to RLDM because she went DS

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so either:

1. Dragon Seal gives her a boost
2. Dragon Seal makes her more effective against Dragon Slayers, otherwise she would use regular red pants
3. it doesn't do anything

the third option is out of the question so only first two so take your pick.

people don't say Laxus was weakened. Erza collapsed due to injuries as well as not having enough MP, Laxus didn't.

he had lesser injuries so he managed to walk up to her and stare at her while listening to her speech.

he was out of MP. MP that he lost against Kiria, even if they are not that big, would give Laxus enough energy to do one attack at least.

He beat her fodder armor. Kyouka, Kagura, and Ikagura have all did the same to those trash armors lol. Plus you see him dodge her attacks unlike the time he dodged Kiria's attacks. She went into her upper armor Red Pants which is way stronger than her fodder armors. That's why her stats were better.

It's 3. If a boost happened it would be noted as one just like every other boost in the series. None of the above. she just went into her stronger. She was shown to easily go through his roar as soon as she turned into his.

They both collapsed from exhaustion and injury. The fight is labeled as such by the author and Kiria stated they both took each other out. I dunno why Laxus' fans make up this resting when we already see he wasn't as it was labeled by both Kiria and the author as a double KO and Kiria was going to eat him bcs he was KOed lmfao.

Bruh he was done. If you want to use that little walk then Erza used up more energy talking for an entire 3 pages lmao. He couldn't move anymore which is why he fell on his butt and passed out. Like you guys are trying to go against the word of the author.

He didn't lose anything towards Kiria bro. He wasn't even scratched by her. It would have been noted he wasn't fresh like it was noted when Natsu or Mira weren't.

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It was a rough fight, he needed to recover so he could bust the orb. Killing Kyria probably would've been a smart thing to do, but then again he should've killed her straight after he won, looks like he's still a goody two shoes at heart.

Using a move doesn't make it fodder, Natsu and Gray spam Demo Fist and Zeroth Longsword all the time, it's still their top tier shit. That aside, all I said is that it was his version of Nakagami, since I remember some people saying Erza should've used it for some reason.

I didn't say Erza wasn't going to beat her, I said she spent more effort beating her than she did playing with Jellal. True Benizakura>random sexy armor. Running don't cost MP, neither does being in the bind snake for that matter.
Erza in her second round with Kyria, had to use True Benizakura with a Flame Empress named attack just to reduce Kyria to a similar state Laxus did with his off-panel beating. Assuming Erza is at least close to Laxus level, that means Laxus' off-panel beating used at least as much power, likely more, as Erza's new best shit. On top of that he used Roaring Thunder, a spell that is equivalent to Erza's Nakagami, to finish her off.
Say what you want about Kyria, but it took Erza real effort, much more than she spent on Jellal, just to win an exchange with her, probably why she was suprised Laxus had already finished her. Laxus beating Kyria outright, even uninjured, should have cost him even more power than Erza spent when she fought her, assuming Erza is indeed Laxus' peer.

What are you talking about? Erza literally passed out the second she beat Ajeel, Natsu had to save her from eating a dirt sandwich. As for being alone, who cares? She still won is my point, despite passing out. Passing out after a fight doesn't negate the win.

That has nothing to do with him stopping Kiria due to him being passed out.

Erza standing there and blocking attacks doesn't take as much energy as summoning multiple different outfits from a pocket dimension lol. We know that as it was shown in BoF that Erza's teleporting her weapons from her pocket dimension consumed more magic than just fighting in her regular armors.

That wasn't True Benzisakura that was the Belserion sword. Kiria got beat by her fodder armor still. She just used a better sword lol. That wasn't Erza best stuff and Kiria already admitted Erza was out of her league. In the past. Roaring thunder hasn't been crud since the timeskip lol. Just bcs secret art doesn't really mean anything as I already shown Gajeel secret art being garbage level attack to him.

It didn't take anything out of Erza to dominate Kiria. In R2 she dominated her without breaking a sweat either. Couple that with Kiria admitting Erza is put of her league just proves she wasn't anything to Erza. Laxus smashed her without a nick so he didn't use anything costly for her. Even if ypu want to argue that than Erza spamming reequip and struggling to get out of bind snake was just as costly to her as Laxus vs Kiria.

Not when it's used against fodder tier opponents lol. Also Natsu can gauge his the power output from his Demo-fist. It can be his strongest move or weakest move depending on how much he puts into it. And since when did Gray use Zeroth Sword on fodder?

No, she didn't. She literally fell out of the sky and Natsu caught her we then see her give Natsu a I did it punch lol. She actually beat him through an attack and not through wait out from exhaustion lol. Laxus himself, Kiria and Mashima negate the win lol. The author called it a draw then it is a draw.

 

[Seven777]

That has nothing to do with him stopping Kiria due to him being passed out.

Erza standing there and blocking attacks doesn't take as much energy as summoning multiple different outfits from a pocket dimension lol. We know that as it was shown in BoF that Erza's teleporting her weapons from her pocket dimension consumed more magic than just fighting in her regular armors.

That wasn't True Benzisakura that was the Belserion sword. Kiria got beat by her fodder armor still. She just used a better sword lol. That wasn't Erza best stuff and Kiria already admitted Erza was out of her league. In the past. Roaring thunder hasn't been crud since the timeskip lol. Just bcs secret art doesn't really mean anything as I already shown Gajeel secret art being garbage level attack to him.

It didn't take anything out of Erza to dominate Kiria. In R2 she dominated her without breaking a sweat either. Couple that with Kiria admitting Erza is put of her league just proves she wasn't anything to Erza. Laxus smashed her without a nick so he didn't use anything costly for her. Even if ypu want to argue that than Erza spamming reequip and struggling to get out of bind snake was just as costly to her as Laxus vs Kiria.

Not when it's used against fodder tier opponents lol. Also Natsu can gauge his the power output from his Demo-fist. It can be his strongest move or weakest move depending on how much he puts into it. And since when did Gray use Zeroth Sword on fodder?

No, she didn't. She literally fell out of the sky and Natsu caught her we then see her give Natsu a I did it punch lol. She actually beat him through an attack and not through wait out from exhaustion lol. Laxus himself, Kiria and Mashima negate the win lol. The author called it a draw then it is a draw.

Doesn't it? I guess I forgot what the original point was lol.

Teleporting 200 weapons costs more than fighting normally, not 5 or whatever lol. Using a named attack with True Benizakura>>>random sexy armor. I didn't say Roaring Thunder was crud, just that it's a match for Nakagami. As for Kyria vs Erza, again I'm not saying Kyria is her match, I'm saying Erza spent much more effort fighting her than she did Jellal, and if Laxus is her peer, then that means he spent even more effort since he actually beat her. In any case, fighting back to back is more costly than fighting with breaks.

Since when did Gajeel use his secret art on fodder?

Yes she did, she was passed out when she was falling, you can see it in the chapter. Natsu woke her after he caught her. As for winning with an attack, he did, he won the exchange with Mercury Fulminate. Mashima didn't negate his win, he established it by having Erza kneel before Laxus and speak to his undying glory.

 

[GL_Nova]

I truly don’t understand how people can pretend to still be confused about any of this. I’m genuinely perplexed, but always down to educate my fellow fandom and pontificate on the Thunder God.

Laxus vs Erza was great. Laxus getting a new mode, showcasing just how powerful he was, and taking the W brought home his character arc. Erza on the other hand, was both celebrated and set free in this arc. She got her own boosts which are a natural outgrowth for her story and also explain and seek to explain future “Erza Moments” believable. Laxus allowed her to debut to the next tier with the same kinda fanfare that her battle with Irene was clearly originally intended to be. Laxus has spent the series not being compared to his compatriots, but to his predecessors.

Since his return on Tenrou, Laxus has been unquestionably above Erza. People are comparing Jura to her when he was stated to be a Gildarts lvl combatant by Makarov. Laxus demolished Tempester. A feat beyond Natsu, Gajeel, and Gray before his slayer advantage. August spoke on how he would have murdered Ajeel easily. Erza struggles up until she’s allowed to cut loose against Irene.An she got the best feat of the arc. Which is genuinely does no more than make her performance this arc credible. Especially since Alvarez is the first arc where she defeats a Gildarts lvl opponent.

Laxus held the upper hand the entire fight. People seem to have completely misunderstood Laxus characterization and intent. He was overwhelming her in base. When she boosts herself to even the odds, he boosts them again to put the difference right back in place. An she has another boost available to try and put him down. An she gets the DS boost, and it being a boost is simply an unavoidable fact. All Enchantments are boosts, all the spells we’ve been shown are enhancements. Its either the slayer magic makes her magic far more effective, bypassing resistance, to affect the target. The other option being it’s a stat boost. The resistance bypass seems more likely. In either case she tripled down on it to cause her only real damage. Laxus put Erza down on his own power.

Now Erza’s victory is no more than symbolic. We haven’t seen Laxus run out of magic bar his own judgement. It took all his magic to put Erza down, and that’s impressive. Only other loss Laxus has is against Natsu and Gajeel. An he’s been confronting monsters. It should put to rest the questions I keep seeing about her feats last arc. Following the power creep we normally see in FT, her top feats should be her new base. She’s solidly on that God tier Spriggan going all out. An by 100YQ’s end that will be a set idea. Yet that is all she takes from this. She literally spent the entire fight commenting on how much power Laxus was putting out. He held the upper hand in that aspect for the entire fight. An other than her big enchant spell, she did only superficial damage. We even see Laxus trading her punches for sword strokes, and he’s still the one standing at the end. It should go without saying this is another solid victory for Laxus.

This is the second arc in a row that Laxus has been given a gauntlet and came out with his record in tact. He went to sleep after he demolished Ajeel, murdered Wahl, and bested Hades. An then he woke up and helped with Acnologia. This arc he wasted Kiria, and then turned around to put Erza down. When he gets up next I can’t wait to see what he does.

Now I’m still interested in what happens next. Mira and Elfman seem next up for a power upgrade. Their showings against Lucy and Diablos already established they have kept up with the other Tenrou members. Elfman is showing the best on screen improvement, stalemating Madmole puts him in a tier with Natsu, Gajeel, and Gray again. An Mira is defending her continue comparison to Erza by stalemating Skullion, an is about to still put in work in her 3rd consecutive match. The siblings are standing across from Gray, Cana, Lucy, and Juvia. Also I’m hoping that Jellal gets something that keeps him caught up with the rest. Since so many people need to see it to believe it.

 

[sharkai]

more like it speaks volumes about Erza's character

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@Jko BRUH you are betraying your Laxus alliance

looks like there will be war... a bloody one

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@Laxus pwns natsu @Laxus chan-yo @Laxus @Seven777 @Stormsfury ATTACK!!!

Are we really talking about fairy tail characters character

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I truly don’t understand how people can pretend to still be confused about any of this. I’m genuinely perplexed, but always down to educate my fellow fandom and pontificate on the Thunder God.

Laxus vs Erza was great. Laxus getting a new mode, showcasing just how powerful he was, and taking the W brought home his character arc. Erza on the other hand, was both celebrated and set free in this arc. She got her own boosts which are a natural outgrowth for her story and also explain and seek to explain future “Erza Moments” believable. Laxus allowed her to debut to the next tier with the same kinda fanfare that her battle with Irene was clearly originally intended to be. Laxus has spent the series not being compared to his compatriots, but to his predecessors.

Since his return on Tenrou, Laxus has been unquestionably above Erza. People are comparing Jura to her when he was stated to be a Gildarts lvl combatant by Makarov. Laxus demolished Tempester. A feat beyond Natsu, Gajeel, and Gray before his slayer advantage. August spoke on how he would have murdered Ajeel easily. Erza struggles up until she’s allowed to cut loose against Irene.An she got the best feat of the arc. Which is genuinely does no more than make her performance this arc credible. Especially since Alvarez is the first arc where she defeats a Gildarts lvl opponent.

Laxus held the upper hand the entire fight. People seem to have completely misunderstood Laxus characterization and intent. He was overwhelming her in base. When she boosts herself to even the odds, he boosts them again to put the difference right back in place. An she has another boost available to try and put him down. An she gets the DS boost, and it being a boost is simply an unavoidable fact. All Enchantments are boosts, all the spells we’ve been shown are enhancements. Its either the slayer magic makes her magic far more effective, bypassing resistance, to affect the target. The other option being it’s a stat boost. The resistance bypass seems more likely. In either case she tripled down on it to cause her only real damage. Laxus put Erza down on his own power.

Now Erza’s victory is no more than symbolic. We haven’t seen Laxus run out of magic bar his own judgement. It took all his magic to put Erza down, and that’s impressive. Only other loss Laxus has is against Natsu and Gajeel. An he’s been confronting monsters. It should put to rest the questions I keep seeing about her feats last arc. Following the power creep we normally see in FT, her top feats should be her new base. She’s solidly on that God tier Spriggan going all out. An by 100YQ’s end that will be a set idea. Yet that is all she takes from this. She literally spent the entire fight commenting on how much power Laxus was putting out. He held the upper hand in that aspect for the entire fight. An other than her big enchant spell, she did only superficial damage. We even see Laxus trading her punches for sword strokes, and he’s still the one standing at the end. It should go without saying this is another solid victory for Laxus.

This is the second arc in a row that Laxus has been given a gauntlet and came out with his record in tact. He went to sleep after he demolished Ajeel, murdered Wahl, and bested Hades. An then he woke up and helped with Acnologia. This arc he wasted Kiria, and then turned around to put Erza down. When he gets up next I can’t wait to see what he does.

Now I’m still interested in what happens next. Mira and Elfman seem next up for a power upgrade. Their showings against Lucy and Diablos already established they have kept up with the other Tenrou members. Elfman is showing the best on screen improvement, stalemating Madmole puts him in a tier with Natsu, Gajeel, and Gray again. An Mira is defending her continue comparison to Erza by stalemating Skullion, an is about to still put in work in her 3rd consecutive match. The siblings are standing across from Gray, Cana, Lucy, and Juvia. Also I’m hoping that Jellal gets something that keeps him caught up with the rest. Since so many people need to see it to believe it.

What part dont you understand
Erza was always on laxus tier. Always.
Laxus and erza both were compared to their superiors, gildarts and markarov. While who is superior between erza jellal and laxus was never answered.

No he was not unquestionably above erza in tenrou. He lasted like 5 seconds against hades when full fresh. Erza was wrecked before she even came across hades, why would anyone even compare this performance. This is what is called scrapping at the bottom of the barrel

Yes, in gmg laxus got the stronger opponent, jura. But for that reason erza got the next two strongest opponent.
Yes laxus stomped tempester, but erza took out koyoka on steriods with power of Silahl as well. Add minivera in there as well.

August hype was false. How can laxus casually kill ajeel yet not causally kill erza and mirajane. How can laxus casually kill ajeel if natsu cant even kill Jacob with his stronger moves. Hell, even jellal couldnt kill nienhart with GC

Laxus dominated erza when she held back, this is straight from laxus own mouth. When erza went serious, they were equal. When erza went serious she didnt even use that fire and ice sword. Laxus only did superficial damage. His strongest move is equivalent to erza blumblatt

Sorry to rign on your parade but Laxus didnt get a gauntlets last arc, he only took out wahl with severe pof and plot

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By that logic, so is Erza's magic.She takes out armour from another dimension where she stores them.
Laxus can access Lightning Dragon Slaying magic anytime he wants, the same way Erza can access them anytime she wants.
Erza cannot access Gray's and Natsu's powers before enchanting them beforehand.


Natsu's and Gray's powers were enchanted before hand itself, for later use.
So was likely Wendy's. We know for a fact that Wendy is the source of Dragon Seal. If Erza can activate it indiscriminately, at any point she wants, she's basically a Dragon Slayer now.


Who was buffed anyway.


You say Jura hype was BS, but takes Eileen hype to be legit? Lul
Unlike Eileen, Jura proved that he was worthy of his hype in the arc by feats (one shotting Ogra, the strongest member of Sabertooth in physical stats; smacking down Laxus; fight with Jellal etc).
Eileen needed extreme diff to beat injured Erza + Wendy.
And you're conveniently forgetting that Erza beat Ajeel with extreme diff, while Laxus was about to end the guy lol. Erza lost to Neinhart. Laxus killed Wahl. Both of these feats put Laxus above Erza.

Erza didn't beat a WS tier monster lol. It was an 'S class' monster. God knows what that means, since even the fodder Sting and Rouge were 'S class', so were Mira and Erza 3 years before the series began.


It's entire team Natsu. And they were enchanted by Wendy. Ended up utterly fodderized. Laxus gave Hades mid diff at the very least.
If we're going that route, Natsu faced Zero the same way lol. He was not doing any worse than when Zero first wrecked him, Gray and Lucy; this was before he got powered by Jellal


How is saying Laxus > Erza downplaying her lol? I judge based on feats and give it more value than hype, which is why I always have Erza > Mira as well inspite of them being portrayed as rivals. Laxus always had better feats and portrayal.

Erza may have been WS tier, it's debatable. Jellal did hint at that, so I can see it being true when combined with her feats.
When did Makarov say that? I don't remember.

Look, assuming she enchanted the swords when gray and natsu were near her. But she can pull them out now, literally out of nowhere. Its her power as much as her swords are.

Jura hype compared to erza was false. Eileen hype compared to august is true. Springgans hype compared good guys is false. Unless you believe nienhart >>>> alverzec laxus.
Whenever hype is used to compare good guys with bad to.hype the bad, its false. Good guys mean only fairy tail members here

Let me dehype jura now. First ogra isnt strongest, it was Minerva, most likely in physical stats as well.
Two, jura defeated ogra using trickery. Check it out. Ogra never challenged jura to a fight, hell he was told to stay clear from jura and kagura. But he did challenge jura to take his attack. You know to see jura strength. Jura agreed.
Then proceeded to dodge that attack and take ogra out in a suprise attack. It was basically a suprise attack

Smacking down laxus basically means he smacked down erza. How is jura proving his hype of being able to take erza and mira at the same time when he cant even take someone equal to erza.
Jura basically lost to erza equivalent character.

No i already know laxus cant one shot and kill ajeel. No no.
Erza with no pof took out ajeel (both had help)
Laxus with severe pof took out wahl (who is equal to ajeel)
You should basically compare pof erza with pof laxus, you will find couple of tiers different between them. Basically laxus pof killed rufus of that arc, and erza pof fuked up jura of that arc

Lol, again forgetting stuffs (erza hype gets forgottenso so easily). The king clearly told us the power of that s class monster was that of a WS tier. So even jura isnt guaranteed to win.

Wrecked team natsu you mean. Show me difference between that erza and gray or Lucy. They were all performing around the same level.
If you want to compare one character wrecked and other fully fresh. I am happy to compare wrecked laxus vs hades to erza vs irene, and come up with a conclusion of erza being three to four tiers above laxus. Dont make such comparisons, you will not come up with am accurate result.

Erza feats has always been superior to laxus.
Erza had better speed feat, endurance feat, power feat, stemina feat all above laxus.
Dont agree, let me show you.
Compare erza vs aria or azuma vs pantherlily to laxus attacks on natsu or gajeel. Aria and gajeel and pantherlily were all somewhat around each other, and all got one shotted, other than the one laxus fought
Kagura was basically taken out by one shot, has laxus ever one shot someone at that level.

What about speed.
Remember how marakrov blocked hades 25 formula, remember how laxus couldnt escape that same spell. One arc later that markrov couldnt even follow basically tenrou erza and kagura last strike.

Endurance, in tenrou arc
Laxus was taken out by 25 formula
Erza took two tera clemare from tenrou tree. What was that, it basically was the power of gildarts and almost all the fairy tail.

Stemina, lol in tenrou arc erza was involved in four conflicts before hades, that was basically more than even gildarts have.

For all these things, my point is not to show erza was superior to laxus, but her feats definitely are. You dont value them, and then you forget erza feats and hype.
You find laxus beating jura more impressive than erza beating kagura and Minerva
Yet somehow you dont find erza fuking up irene more impressive than laxus beating wahl
I am also sure you rank gajeel above aria, even though blinded aria had better feats against natsu than gajeel had. I am sure you think pantherlily durability is not something to even.talk about, even though just arc before that he was easily hanging around with gajeel.
You rank character on your own, and then judge feats after that. So if laxus fights a character A, laxus has better feats than say erza who fights some other character B. The two opponents stats have already been decided by irrespective of their hype or lack of hype.
For example compare ajeel with wahl

Now i am sure you think wahl is superior to ajeel
But i dont, as far i am concerned they are equal. Canonically they are equal too. But eince laxus faught against wahl, whal is superior, and in turn laxus has better feats than erza, its circular logic

 

[Crimson Ice]

She was up her entire speech as well lol. He fell and passed out. That was supported by him being out magic and stating he lost as well. Then we get Kiria and the author admitting a double KO. He didn't rest otherwise he would have destroyed the orb and wouldn't have let Kiria try to eat him lmfao.

We saw one secret art and basic punches. That would have did nothing to his power. She didn't have time to recover as she had to get out of bind snake the entire time and then run back to Laxus. Her spamming reequip would be the equivalent of Laxus spamming no named moves and one named move. It wasn't a minute difference. He fell out in the next page of her lol. He couldn't even move so how the hell could he kill her? He was exhausted and passed out. He had nothing in the tank which is why he couldn't down Erza with his fist in the first place lmfao. The author even tells us it was a double KO which means both parties took each other out.

Spoiler

LFDM nor FDKM boost Natsu's stats or even his MP. They just boost the power of his fire. A power up would be DeS, Stardress, Takeover or DF as they actually increase stats and/or MP.

LFDM definitely boosts Natsu’s stats, at least the initial use. Natsu was able to physically bust out of Hades’ chains with LFDM, even giant Makarov couldn’t do that.

 

[Seven777]

Are we really talking about fairy tail characters character

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What part dont you understand
Erza was always on laxus tier. Always.
Laxus and erza both were compared to their superiors, gildarts and markarov. While who is superior between erza jellal and laxus was never answered.

No he was not unquestionably above erza in tenrou. He lasted like 5 seconds against hades when full fresh. Erza was wrecked before she even came across hades, why would anyone even compare this performance. This is what is called scrapping at the bottom of the barrel

Yes, in gmg laxus got the stronger opponent, jura. But for that reason erza got the next two strongest opponent.
Yes laxus stomped tempester, but erza took out koyoka on steriods with power of Silahl as well. Add minivera in there as well.

August hype was false. How can laxus casually kill ajeel yet not causally kill erza and mirajane. How can laxus casually kill ajeel if natsu cant even kill Jacob with his stronger moves. Hell, even jellal couldnt kill nienhart with GC

Laxus dominated erza when she held back, this is straight from laxus own mouth. When erza went serious, they were equal. When erza went serious she didnt even use that fire and ice sword. Laxus only did superficial damage. His strongest move is equivalent to erza blumblatt

Sorry to rign on your parade but Laxus didnt get a gauntlets last arc, he only took out wahl with severe pof and plot

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Look, assuming she enchanted the swords when gray and natsu were near her. But she can pull them out now, literally out of nowhere. Its her power as much as her swords are.

Jura hype compared to erza was false. Eileen hype compared to august is true. Springgans hype compared good guys is false. Unless you believe nienhart >>>> alverzec laxus.
Whenever hype is used to compare good guys with bad to.hype the bad, its false. Good guys mean only fairy tail members here

Let me dehype jura now. First ogra isnt strongest, it was Minerva, most likely in physical stats as well.
Two, jura defeated ogra using trickery. Check it out. Ogra never challenged jura to a fight, hell he was told to stay clear from jura and kagura. But he did challenge jura to take his attack. You know to see jura strength. Jura agreed.
Then proceeded to dodge that attack and take ogra out in a suprise attack. It was basically a suprise attack

Smacking down laxus basically means he smacked down erza. How is jura proving his hype of being able to take erza and mira at the same time when he cant even take someone equal to erza.
Jura basically lost to erza equivalent character.

No i already know laxus cant one shot and kill ajeel. No no.
Erza with no pof took out ajeel (both had help)
Laxus with severe pof took out wahl (who is equal to ajeel)
You should basically compare pof erza with pof laxus, you will find couple of tiers different between them. Basically laxus pof killed rufus of that arc, and erza pof fuked up jura of that arc

Lol, again forgetting stuffs (erza hype gets forgottenso so easily). The king clearly told us the power of that s class monster was that of a WS tier. So even jura isnt guaranteed to win.

Wrecked team natsu you mean. Show me difference between that erza and gray or Lucy. They were all performing around the same level.
If you want to compare one character wrecked and other fully fresh. I am happy to compare wrecked laxus vs hades to erza vs irene, and come up with a conclusion of erza being three to four tiers above laxus. Dont make such comparisons, you will not come up with am accurate result.

Erza feats has always been superior to laxus.
Erza had better speed feat, endurance feat, power feat, stemina feat all above laxus.
Dont agree, let me show you.
Compare erza vs aria or azuma vs pantherlily to laxus attacks on natsu or gajeel. Aria and gajeel and pantherlily were all somewhat around each other, and all got one shotted, other than the one laxus fought
Kagura was basically taken out by one shot, has laxus ever one shot someone at that level.

What about speed.
Remember how marakrov blocked hades 25 formula, remember how laxus couldnt escape that same spell. One arc later that markrov couldnt even follow basically tenrou erza and kagura last strike.

Endurance, in tenrou arc
Laxus was taken out by 25 formula
Erza took two tera clemare from tenrou tree. What was that, it basically was the power of gildarts and almost all the fairy tail.

Stemina, lol in tenrou arc erza was involved in four conflicts before hades, that was basically more than even gildarts have.

For all these things, my point is not to show erza was superior to laxus, but her feats definitely are. You dont value them, and then you forget erza feats and hype.
You find laxus beating jura more impressive than erza beating kagura and Minerva
Yet somehow you dont find erza fuking up irene more impressive than laxus beating wahl
I am also sure you rank gajeel above aria, even though blinded aria had better feats against natsu than gajeel had. I am sure you think pantherlily durability is not something to even.talk about, even though just arc before that he was easily hanging around with gajeel.
You rank character on your own, and then judge feats after that. So if laxus fights a character A, laxus has better feats than say erza who fights some other character B. The two opponents stats have already been decided by irrespective of their hype or lack of hype.
For example compare ajeel with wahl

Now i am sure you think wahl is superior to ajeel
But i dont, as far i am concerned they are equal. Canonically they are equal too. But eince laxus faught against wahl, whal is superior, and in turn laxus has better feats than erza, its circular logic

Azuma didn't oneshot Lily, Lily tanked multiple attacks and was never defeated, he ran out of time. In earthland he can't permanently maintain his buff self. To top it off, during the fight he was thinking to himself that he needed a sword, since he hadn't gotten his replacement by that point. And Aria is weaker than Gajeel.

Speed - Makarov couldn't land a single hit on Hades, Laxus blitzed him several times. He smacked Hades more than Erza could with the rest of team Natsu.
Endurance - Hades>>>Azuma. Ameterasu also didn't take out Laxus, he still had loads of power left, enough to boost Natsu massively.
Stamina - Erza might have it.

Laxus has always been above Erza, both in hype and feats. From doing better than team Natsu combined, to being hyped by Gray with Gildarts. Erza slowly crept up on Laxus as the arcs went by, but he's always been her clear superior. Now, after gathering the strength of the entirety of team Natsu, she is finally his peer.

 

[Kiki]

She isnt arrogant

She actually was downplaying him. There is only one statement which could be considered to hype laxus, which was stated in the start. After that it was all underestimating laxus

bruh...

You have already forgotten erza was also ws tier in the start of the series as well.

where was this stated? All I remember is that it was just Erza's dream

Spoiler

Actually laxus was never shown to.be above erza, like literally never. It was just laxus wank that caught up. Both laxus and erza were considerably above natsu pre ts, that is the only cannon. Rest was fan made.

he has always been. it's even canon

Spoiler

Erza was even on Mira's level

 

[Demon Hunter]

He beat her fodder armor. Kyouka, Kagura, and Ikagura have all did the same to those trash armors lol. Plus you see him dodge her attacks unlike the time he dodged Kiria's attacks. She went into her upper armor Red Pants which is way stronger than her fodder armors. That's why her stats were better.

It's 3. If a boost happened it would be noted as one just like every other boost in the series. None of the above. she just went into her stronger. She was shown to easily go through his roar as soon as she turned into his.

They both collapsed from exhaustion and injury. The fight is labeled as such by the author and Kiria stated they both took each other out. I dunno why Laxus' fans make up this resting when we already see he wasn't as it was labeled by both Kiria and the author as a double KO and Kiria was going to eat him bcs he was KOed lmfao.

He didn't lose anything towards Kiria bro. He wasn't even scratched by her. It would have been noted he wasn't fresh like it was noted when Natsu or Mira weren't.

all those characters are overpowered and Lightning Empress Armor scales to the Flame one. it's an anti - lightning armor which reduces 50% of lightning attacks. so it's definitely impressive.

so your saying she used Dragon Seal for lolz??? come on bro

there is no way she used Dragon Seal if it doesn't give her something.

Bruh he was done. If you want to use that little walk then Erza used up more energy talking for an entire 3 pages lmao. He couldn't move anymore which is why he fell on his butt and passed out. Like you guys are trying to go against the word of the author.

 

[kenedyfake]

BRUH

this is what Laxus does to Erza when she doesn't have Dragon Seal

Spoiler

Laxus ONLY resorted to RLDM because she went DS

Spoiler

so either:

1. Dragon Seal gives her a boost
2. Dragon Seal makes her more effective against Dragon Slayers, otherwise she would use regular red pants
3. it doesn't do anything

the third option is out of the question so only first two so take your pick.

people don't say Laxus was weakened. Erza collapsed due to injuries as well as not having enough MP, Laxus didn't.

he had lesser injuries so he managed to walk up to her and stare at her while listening to her speech.

he was out of MP. MP that he lost against Kiria, even if they are not that big, would give Laxus enough energy to do one attack at least.

Erza did not fall from injuries but from magical exhaustion, while she has magical power, withstands any attack from Luxus.

DS enchanted magic is in the sword, not in Erza's body. The sword that receives the power.

So Erza activates this seal and can withstand all attacks? what kind of seal is this? doesn't make any sense ...

DS seal changes your attribute to dragon slayer, gains in power or attribute increase, its not fact. The Belserion sword that guarantees her power.