Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Demon Hunter]

Erza did not fall from injuries but from magical exhaustion, while she has magical power, withstands any attack from Luxus.

DS enchanted magic is in the sword, not in Erza's body. The sword that receives the power.

So Erza activates this seal and can withstand all attacks? what kind of seal is this? doesn't make any sense ...

DS seal changes your attribute to dragon slayer, gains in power or attribute increase, its not fact. The Belserion sword that guarantees her power.

Just pick one of those 3 options.

There is no other option other than those three.

 

[GL_Nova]

Are we really talking about fairy tail characters character

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What part dont you understand
Erza was always on laxus tier. Always.
Laxus and erza both were compared to their superiors, gildarts and markarov. While who is superior between erza jellal and laxus was never answered.

No he was not unquestionably above erza in tenrou. He lasted like 5 seconds against hades when full fresh. Erza was wrecked before she even came across hades, why would anyone even compare this performance. This is what is called scrapping at the bottom of the barrel

Yes, in gmg laxus got the stronger opponent, jura. But for that reason erza got the next two strongest opponent.
Yes laxus stomped tempester, but erza took out koyoka on steriods with power of Silahl as well. Add minivera in there as well.

August hype was false. How can laxus casually kill ajeel yet not causally kill erza and mirajane. How can laxus casually kill ajeel if natsu cant even kill Jacob with his stronger moves. Hell, even jellal couldnt kill nienhart with GC

Laxus dominated erza when she held back, this is straight from laxus own mouth. When erza went serious, they were equal. When erza went serious she didnt even use that fire and ice sword. Laxus only did superficial damage. His strongest move is equivalent to erza blumblatt

Sorry to rign on your parade but Laxus didnt get a gauntlets last arc, he only took out wahl with severe pof and plot

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Look, assuming she enchanted the swords when gray and natsu were near her. But she can pull them out now, literally out of nowhere. Its her power as much as her swords are.

Jura hype compared to erza was false. Eileen hype compared to august is true. Springgans hype compared good guys is false. Unless you believe nienhart >>>> alverzec laxus.
Whenever hype is used to compare good guys with bad to.hype the bad, its false. Good guys mean only fairy tail members here

Let me dehype jura now. First ogra isnt strongest, it was Minerva, most likely in physical stats as well.
Two, jura defeated ogra using trickery. Check it out. Ogra never challenged jura to a fight, hell he was told to stay clear from jura and kagura. But he did challenge jura to take his attack. You know to see jura strength. Jura agreed.
Then proceeded to dodge that attack and take ogra out in a suprise attack. It was basically a suprise attack

Smacking down laxus basically means he smacked down erza. How is jura proving his hype of being able to take erza and mira at the same time when he cant even take someone equal to erza.
Jura basically lost to erza equivalent character.

No i already know laxus cant one shot and kill ajeel. No no.
Erza with no pof took out ajeel (both had help)
Laxus with severe pof took out wahl (who is equal to ajeel)
You should basically compare pof erza with pof laxus, you will find couple of tiers different between them. Basically laxus pof killed rufus of that arc, and erza pof fuked up jura of that arc

Lol, again forgetting stuffs (erza hype gets forgottenso so easily). The king clearly told us the power of that s class monster was that of a WS tier. So even jura isnt guaranteed to win.

Wrecked team natsu you mean. Show me difference between that erza and gray or Lucy. They were all performing around the same level.
If you want to compare one character wrecked and other fully fresh. I am happy to compare wrecked laxus vs hades to erza vs irene, and come up with a conclusion of erza being three to four tiers above laxus. Dont make such comparisons, you will not come up with am accurate result.

Erza feats has always been superior to laxus.
Erza had better speed feat, endurance feat, power feat, stemina feat all above laxus.
Dont agree, let me show you.
Compare erza vs aria or azuma vs pantherlily to laxus attacks on natsu or gajeel. Aria and gajeel and pantherlily were all somewhat around each other, and all got one shotted, other than the one laxus fought
Kagura was basically taken out by one shot, has laxus ever one shot someone at that level.

What about speed.
Remember how marakrov blocked hades 25 formula, remember how laxus couldnt escape that same spell. One arc later that markrov couldnt even follow basically tenrou erza and kagura last strike.

Endurance, in tenrou arc
Laxus was taken out by 25 formula
Erza took two tera clemare from tenrou tree. What was that, it basically was the power of gildarts and almost all the fairy tail.

Stemina, lol in tenrou arc erza was involved in four conflicts before hades, that was basically more than even gildarts have.

For all these things, my point is not to show erza was superior to laxus, but her feats definitely are. You dont value them, and then you forget erza feats and hype.
You find laxus beating jura more impressive than erza beating kagura and Minerva
Yet somehow you dont find erza fuking up irene more impressive than laxus beating wahl
I am also sure you rank gajeel above aria, even though blinded aria had better feats against natsu than gajeel had. I am sure you think pantherlily durability is not something to even.talk about, even though just arc before that he was easily hanging around with gajeel.
You rank character on your own, and then judge feats after that. So if laxus fights a character A, laxus has better feats than say erza who fights some other character B. The two opponents stats have already been decided by irrespective of their hype or lack of hype.
For example compare ajeel with wahl

Now i am sure you think wahl is superior to ajeel
But i dont, as far i am concerned they are equal. Canonically they are equal too. But eince laxus faught against wahl, whal is superior, and in turn laxus has better feats than erza, its circular logic

Well first off, I don’t understand how you’re this far into fairy tail and think Erza has been portrayed as his equal the entire time. I mean if him outperforming her entire team, and then beating a Gildarts lvl opponent the following arc didn’t get it across, I’m not sure I have much hope. The problem is outside of your headcannon, Laxus has been superior to her the entire series. Hell, you guys wouldn’t even have a pyric victory if not for the fact that Laxus only gets gauntlets now. Where is Erza compared to Gildarts? When is she compared to Makarov? Who makes these comparisons? Erza got slapt by Jellal. She stood no chance. Jellal and Laxus was never answered. Until Alvarez, only Erza fans even brought her into the conversation.

Go rewatch Tenrou. Watch how helpless Team Natsu is before Hades, and watch the joy and shock on their faces when Laxus arrived. Pay special attention to Erza’s shock that Laxus is so much stronger than them. An you cannot simultaneously applaud her durability yet decry her having fought previously. You’re scraping the bottom of the barrel for defenses because the facts leave your argument full of holes.

Cause she needed 2 opponents to make up the difference. She got a nice gauntlet, but against an opponent below her and a rival. An Tempester was able to stand toe to toe with LFDM. Laxus no diffed him. Erza was destroyed in her fight.

The General of the Spriggan, and King of Magic was wrong in his magical assessment. The great Sharkai’s opinion should be trusted over his assessment of the strength of a spell he actually blocked. That makes less sense every time you guys say it. Especially as folk insist he’s still on a level our current opponents are inferior too. Laxus is stronger than Natsu, barring POF, and stronger than Jellal. Natsu didn’t kill anyone until he had to kill Acno, so that’s not a helpful comparison at all lol.

I appreciate you containing your entire argument in a short paragraph. Laxus saying Erza isn’t strong enough to hurt him without fighting to kill, proves my point. Especially when he’s still only fighting to put her down. An his strongest spell is FL, followed by Roaring Thunder and Thunder Dragons Jaw. Especially now that he Has red lightning versions of those as well. His basic RL spell vaporized all her swords and blew apart the church. Erza is the one who spend the entire battle commenting on Laxus overwhelming power. An still felt the need to make a speech about how inspiring his strength was after she lost. That’s Erza’s own words and opinion on the matter. An even after all that, he still wasn’t trying to kill her.

Laxus killed Wahl, and then immediately was confronted by Hades. That my friend is a gauntlet, a series of battles without any break. An a breakthrough isn’t necessarily POF. It’s another shounen trope altogether. Though since Erza is the POF Queen, clearly irrelevant, unless you wanna go through how many of her victories are invalidates by this new circumstancial logic of yours??

 

[Axiomus]

Laxus was stronger than Erza until Erza received second origin, and since then they have been on the same level. Laxus is still slightly stronger. Laxus would have soloed the Phantom Lord guild had he been present. During the Tower of Heaven, he soloed the Natsu and Gajeel, and Fairy Law would have been able to solo the guild (Erza included) had it actually worked. He also did better against Hades than anyone else, and his power was what gave LFD Natsu the power to dominate Hades in those exchanges. Obtaining second origin putting Erza closer to Laxus level. The thing is, it simply makes no sense for Laxus and Erza to have been equals throughout the entire series because Erza got a very significant power-up with second origin during the GMG. On the other hand, the only difference between GMG and Tenrou for Laxus was 3 months, and it was 3 months without training. Laxus was simply never stated to have trained during those 3 months. Not by himself, not by other characters, and not by any of the narrative texts. His power level during the GMG and Tartaros was effectively the same as Tenrou. Erza on the other hand got an entire new container of mp, which would have pretty much doubled her MP reserves going forward. Let's be honest here, receiving second origin is a much more significant power-up than 3 months of training. Erza during GMG and Tartaros completely stomps on Mirajane when it comes to straight-up combat, and Mirajane with Sitri was supposedly tied with Erza in the past. So even if Laxus did train, and there's nothing to suggest he did, Erza still received the far more significant power-up.

I don't care too much about pre-timeskip power-level, as it's simply not very relevant. What's far more relevant is how the characters are now. Long story short: Currently, Laxus is better. Without even going into the Alvarez arc, he outlasted Erza in their most recent fight. He also fought and beat Kyria beforehand. The power he used to beat Kyria would have been the power he would have had left over after his fight with Erza. Now you could argue that Erza fought Jellal as well. But really, all she did was just requip a bunch of cosplay outfits and seduced him. You're not going to convince anyone that the mp required to requip those cosplay outfits is equivalent to the MP required to stomp Kyria. To put it simply, the difference in power between Laxus and Erza once everything is accounted for is the difference between stomping Kyria and a cosplay party with Jellal.

As far as what Erza said. I don't see it as downplaying. Erza took notice of the fact that Laxus beat Kyria beforehand. So she may very be saying something along the lines of "I didn't know Laxus can beat someone as strong as Kyria and then also beat me" when she's saying she didn't know Laxus was this strong. Or she may very well have underestimated Laxus and considered herself stronger. In which case, she's simply wrong. The power-rankings don't change though.

 

[Ratrace]

I think read in an interview where Hiro says Characters are as strong as they need to be at a certain time, so it all depends on the story

 

[Crimson Ice]

I think read in an interview where Hiro says Characters are as strong as they need to be at a certain time, so it all depends on the story

Hiro said that when he talked about writing Laxus out of the Tartaros arc and it would explain why Gildarts is almost never present in arcs. As for the Laxus and Erza convo, he's always been her superior.

 

[Ratrace]

Hiro said that when he talked about writing Laxus out of the Tartaros arc and it would explain why Gildarts is almost never present in arcs. As for the Laxus and Erza convo, he's always been her superior.

True most of the enemies they faced wouldn't have stood a chance against Gildarts.

 

[AmitDS]

Being comparable strength wise doesn’t mean equal strength. For example, saying that Elfman’s strength is comparable to Mira’s doesn’t mean he’s stronger than Gray and Gajeel. It just means they’re at similar strength and Elfman isn’t too far behind.

Speaking of lagging behind, Elfman has literally always kept up with the main cast and defeated powerful people. He one shot Etherious Seilah, defeated Ajeel with Lisanna and now he’s tying with freaking Madmole. He also showed us several new forms since GMG.

I mean seriously, did everyone think characters like Gray and Gajeel would one shot Elfman or something? Logically he should be able to give them a mid/high diff battle. He has showed incredible growth.

Also Skullion is stronger than Madmole lol.

I actually know Skullion is stronger than Madmole. I was replying to people saying that Elfman is comparable to Mirajane and only hype keeps her above. So in the context of the conversation Elfman being on her level because he tanked Lucy's attack was what was being claimed.

I actually never said or implied that I think Elfman would be low diffed by Gray or Gajeel just that he is not on their exact level.

 

[LaGOAT]

Lol at ppl that said nobody compare laxus and erza hades compare laxus to gildartz lvl while gray said that the only monsters in their guild was laxus and gildartz. Laxus>erza have been portrayed since beginning of the series

 

[grey matter]

Lol at ppl that said nobody compare laxus and erza hades compare laxus to gildartz lvl while gray said that the only monsters in their guild was laxus and gildartz. Laxus>erza have been portrayed since beginning of series

What Hades said was that he didn't expect anyone left, other than Gildarts, to be at a certain level. At this point Makarov was already down, so I'm not sure that he counted Maakrov there.

What I interpreted from that was that:
Gildarts, Laxus. and likely Makarov >= the threshold set by Hades............not necessarily that they were comparable in strength

And yes, it does prove the point that Laxus was > Erza in Tenrou arc lol, that's the important point here.
Laxus > Erza in Tenrou is canon.

 

[bugen]

Laxus was stronger than Erza until Erza received second origin, and since then they have been on the same level. Laxus is still slightly stronger. Laxus would have soloed the Phantom Lord guild had he been present. During the Tower of Heaven, he soloed the Natsu and Gajeel, and Fairy Law would have been able to solo the guild (Erza included) had it actually worked. He also did better against Hades than anyone else, and his power was what gave LFD Natsu the power to dominate Hades in those exchanges. Obtaining second origin putting Erza closer to Laxus level. The thing is, it simply makes no sense for Laxus and Erza to have been equals throughout the entire series because Erza got a very significant power-up with second origin during the GMG. On the other hand, the only difference between GMG and Tenrou for Laxus was 3 months, and it was 3 months without training. Laxus was simply never stated to have trained during those 3 months. Not by himself, not by other characters, and not by any of the narrative texts. His power level during the GMG and Tartaros was effectively the same as Tenrou. Erza on the other hand got an entire new container of mp, which would have pretty much doubled her MP reserves going forward. Let's be honest here, receiving second origin is a much more significant power-up than 3 months of training. Erza during GMG and Tartaros completely stomps on Mirajane when it comes to straight-up combat, and Mirajane with Sitri was supposedly tied with Erza in the past. So even if Laxus did train, and there's nothing to suggest he did, Erza still received the far more significant power-up.

I don't care too much about pre-timeskip power-level, as it's simply not very relevant. What's far more relevant is how the characters are now. Long story short: Currently, Laxus is better. Without even going into the Alvarez arc, he outlasted Erza in their most recent fight. He also fought and beat Kyria beforehand. The power he used to beat Kyria would have been the power he would have had left over after his fight with Erza. Now you could argue that Erza fought Jellal as well. But really, all she did was just requip a bunch of cosplay outfits and seduced him. You're not going to convince anyone that the mp required to requip those cosplay outfits is equivalent to the MP required to stomp Kyria. To put it simply, the difference in power between Laxus and Erza once everything is accounted for is the difference between stomping Kyria and a cosplay party with Jellal.

As far as what Erza said. I don't see it as downplaying. Erza took notice of the fact that Laxus beat Kyria beforehand. So she may very be saying something along the lines of "I didn't know Laxus can beat someone as strong as Kyria and then also beat me" when she's saying she didn't know Laxus was this strong. Or she may very well have underestimated Laxus and considered herself stronger. In which case, she's simply wrong. The power-rankings don't change though.

I agree with many things, but...

You have gone from the topic that Erza did not really seriously do during most of the fight, said by Laxus himself.

If you want to put the issue of MP spent to beat Kyria, you must also say that Erza is not really seriously against him.
Apart from that Laxus defeated Kyria effortlessly, he didn't even make him sweat a drop.

Erza was coming out of control of ww + effortlessly beat yet and droy + fanserve cosplay with Jellal + running back to church, all that and beating Kyria effortlessly seems close.

Yes yes, if Laxus had not spent mp he would have won the fight, and if Erza had not cosplays with Jellal she would also have those few mp to make the victory.

Nor do you put that laxus go to kill all the time by order of the ww and Erza fought with her guild mate, she was only seriously in the final part.

If the words of Laxus for revenge, the words of Kyria saying that the two were knocked out, the words of Mashima when clearly putting double ko, do not mean anything to you, then there is a problem.

It is a response without bad intentions.

 

[grey matter]

I agree with many things, but...

You have gone from the topic that Erza did not really seriously do during most of the fight, said by Laxus himself.

If you want to put the issue of MP spent to beat Kyria, you must also say that Erza is not really seriously against him.
Apart from that Laxus defeated Kyria effortlessly, he didn't even make him sweat a drop.

Erza was coming out of control of ww + effortlessly beat yet and droy + fanserve cosplay with Jellal + running back to church, all that and beating Kyria effortlessly seems close.

Yes yes, if Laxus had not spent mp he would have won the fight, and if Erza had not cosplays with Jellal she would also have those few mp to make the victory.

Nor do you put that laxus go to kill all the time by order of the ww and Erza fought with her guild mate, she was only seriously in the final part.

If the words of Laxus for revenge, the words of Kyria saying that the two were knocked out, the words of Mashima when clearly putting double ko, do not mean anything to you, then there is a problem.

It is a response without bad intentions.

Not all requips are equal.
Cosplays require little to no magic. It's just cosplay lul, not some armour with actual powers or abilities, it has no strain on her at all. Erza is effectively just wearing different clothes

Laxus used a secret art + other offensive moves.

It's pretty clear which required more magic. Any negligible magic Erza used in cosplays was likely regained when she was fooling around with Jellal and running back

 

[bugen]

Not all requips are equal.
Cosplays require little to no magic. It's just cosplay lul, not some armour with actual powers or abilities, it has no strain on her at all. Erza is effectively just wearing different clothes

Laxus used a secret art + other offensive moves.

It's pretty clear which required more magic. Any negligible magic Erza used in cosplays was likely regained when she was fooling around with Jellal and running back

I agree.
very good point with the theme of mp.

watching the chapters you are right with the mp.

Now I say, is it okay to put that laxus would have earned by spending some mp?
Yes, I see it true.

And I also say, is it okay to say that if Erza had fought seriously, she could have defeated Laxus just after the fire-ice slash?
I think so, because it damaged a lot of laxus while she was restraining herself in that attack, if she went seriously, uf, laxus would be really destroyed.

if mashima has doubled ko it must be for something, if one was missing some mp the other nerf containing himself with her attacks for a long time.

 

[Crimson Ice]

What Hades said was that he didn't expect anyone left, other than Gildarts, to be at a certain level. At this point Makarov was already down, so I'm not sure that he counted Maakrov there.

What I interpreted from that was that:
Gildarts, Laxus. and likely Makarov >= the threshold set by Hades............not necessarily that they were comparable in strength

And yes, it does prove the point that Laxus was > Erza in Tenrou arc lol, that's the important point here.
Laxus > Erza in Tenrou is canon.

Bruh Hades literally said “To think the boy had someone other than Gildarts at this level” I don’t know how you flip that to say they’re not on the same level. Bruh Hades flat out say Laxus and Gildarts were on the same level, it doesn’t matter since it’s filler but Hades’ words were clear.

 

[sharkai]

Azuma didn't oneshot Lily, Lily tanked multiple attacks and was never defeated, he ran out of time. In earthland he can't permanently maintain his buff self. To top it off, during the fight he was thinking to himself that he needed a sword, since he hadn't gotten his replacement by that point. And Aria is weaker than Gajeel.

Speed - Makarov couldn't land a single hit on Hades, Laxus blitzed him several times. He smacked Hades more than Erza could with the rest of team Natsu.
Endurance - Hades>>>Azuma. Ameterasu also didn't take out Laxus, he still had loads of power left, enough to boost Natsu massively.
Stamina - Erza might have it.

Laxus has always been above Erza, both in hype and feats. From doing better than team Natsu combined, to being hyped by Gray with Gildarts. Erza slowly crept up on Laxus as the arcs went by, but he's always been her clear superior. Now, after gathering the strength of the entirety of team Natsu, she is finally his peer.

Nice
Actually it was basically two.
All the other attacks were dodged by lily. But i like how you forgot to mention wendy actually enhanced pantherlily. He didnt say run out of time, he was wrecked in his big form, gasping. Of course that attack also took out mest and wendy. But lets not talk about that too. Dont want azuma to be considered stronger than laxus, now.

O, markarov didnt land a single blow on hades. Dude you are fire.
Also love how you forgot the Jupiter cannon, the shock of seeing is old master. Markrov was basically removed from his titan form before the battle even begun. He was still fast enough to counter both 25 and 100 formula.
Laxus lol. He was taken out by 25 formula, he couldnt move (mentioned in the manga, sorry).
You are right here laxus hot hades more time than lucy, and lucy hit hades about as much erza did. Didnt know you were arguing for erza and lucy are equal in power.
Azuma with gildarts plus fairy tail power x 2 (for two times)> annoyed hades who isnt even trying that much
Azuma alone is obviously weaker than hades. But you know casual hades isnt really trying.


I cant remember ever in fairy tail marakarov or gildarts or natsu or hell mira saying laxus is stronger than erza. Didnt gray say that erza didnt need or already had SO.
Yes, he did perform better than team.natsu, but then again, at that time wendy performed better than gildarts. Because she could stand at that time, even attack, gildarts couldnt even stand lol.

Love how you trick your own brain to believeim happy stories.

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bruh...

where was this stated? All I remember is that it was just Erza's dream

Spoiler

he has always been. it's even canon

Spoiler

Erza was even on Mira's level

Look mate, i dont like this anymore than you do, but erza has always considered herself weak. Sooo

Jellal talked about it

Isnt this the same cannon, where pre ts erza was compared to gmg laxus and sting was equal to or stronger than natsu

 

[grey matter]

Bruh Hades literally said “To think the boy had someone other than Gildarts at this level” I don’t know how you flip that to say they’re not on the same level. Bruh Hades flat out say Laxus and Gildarts were on the same level, it doesn’t matter since it’s filler but Hades’ words were clear.

Oh I didn't know it was filler lol. Didn't read manga until GMG

It doesn't mean Laxus = Gildarts; I suppose it's upto interpretation. For me, what it says is that he didn't expect anyone else except Gildarts to be at a certain level. Anyway the portrayal is clear between Laxus and Erza, that's my entire point

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Oh I didn't know it was filler lol. Didn't read manga until GMG

I think that's not what he meant. The arc was not filler.

 

[aymen24]

Not the first time
This seems her specialty with Laxus

Spoiler: Erza

 

[Seven777]

Nice
Actually it was basically two.
All the other attacks were dodged by lily. But i like how you forgot to mention wendy actually enhanced pantherlily. He didnt say run out of time, he was wrecked in his big form, gasping. Of course that attack also took out mest and wendy. But lets not talk about that too. Dont want azuma to be considered stronger than laxus, now.

O, markarov didnt land a single blow on hades. Dude you are fire.
Also love how you forgot the Jupiter cannon, the shock of seeing is old master. Markrov was basically removed from his titan form before the battle even begun. He was still fast enough to counter both 25 and 100 formula.
Laxus lol. He was taken out by 25 formula, he couldnt move (mentioned in the manga, sorry).
You are right here laxus hot hades more time than lucy, and lucy hit hades about as much erza did. Didnt know you were arguing for erza and lucy are equal in power.
Azuma with gildarts plus fairy tail power x 2 (for two times)> annoyed hades who isnt even trying that much
Azuma alone is obviously weaker than hades. But you know casual hades isnt really trying.


I cant remember ever in fairy tail marakarov or gildarts or natsu or hell mira saying laxus is stronger than erza. Didnt gray say that erza didnt need or already had SO.
Yes, he did perform better than team.natsu, but then again, at that time wendy performed better than gildarts. Because she could stand at that time, even attack, gildarts couldnt even stand lol.

Love how you trick your own brain to believeim happy stories.

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Look mate, i dont like this anymore than you do, but erza has always considered herself weak. Sooo

Jellal talked about it

Isnt this the same cannon, where pre ts erza was compared to gmg laxus and sting was equal to or stronger than natsu

3 attacks, and the first two he took like a champ, almost effortlessly really. While on the other hand it took Laxus two to down Gajeel .
Why would I mention Wendy enchanting Pantherlily? She didn't use the defensive enchantment and why would I care about the attack taking out Wendy and Mest either? Neither are anywhere close to Gajeel's tier. And no, Lily literally says he's out of time against Azuma and turns into his tiny self.
I wouldn't worry, literally no one considers Azuma Laxus tier.

Of course I'm fire, that goes without saying. What's Jupiter got to do with anything other than it oneshotting Erza through her best defense? Makarov is a tank, doesn't change he was nowhere near as fast as Laxus.
Nowhere in the manga does it say Laxus couldn't move. Laxus had tons of power after Ameterasu, we know this, he literally kicks Hades in the face immediately after lol. It took a smack to the gobber, Ameterasu, Laxus giving away ALL his magic power and Hades' Kamehameha to take out Laxus, and even then he got up a minute later.

Lol, I remember this, you actually think Azuma was stronger than Bluenote don't you? Haha, nah dog, Azuma with the guilds power barely does any better than he did without it. It's a source of mp he can draw on, no more, maybe give him Second Origin to hold some more of that power and he might be able to do something. He's certainly not better than Bluenote, let alone Hades lol.

Gray compares Laxus to Gildarts and leaves out Erza and Mira, and Mira says in order to match someone Laxus tier, she and Erza would have to work together. Mashima made it clear Laxus>Erza

 

[sharkai]

Well first off, I don’t understand how you’re this far into fairy tail and think Erza has been portrayed as his equal the entire time. I mean if him outperforming her entire team, and then beating a Gildarts lvl opponent the following arc didn’t get it across, I’m not sure I have much hope. The problem is outside of your headcannon, Laxus has been superior to her the entire series. Hell, you guys wouldn’t even have a pyric victory if not for the fact that Laxus only gets gauntlets now. Where is Erza compared to Gildarts? When is she compared to Makarov? Who makes these comparisons? Erza got slapt by Jellal. She stood no chance. Jellal and Laxus was never answered. Until Alvarez, only Erza fans even brought her into the conversation.

Go rewatch Tenrou. Watch how helpless Team Natsu is before Hades, and watch the joy and shock on their faces when Laxus arrived. Pay special attention to Erza’s shock that Laxus is so much stronger than them. An you cannot simultaneously applaud her durability yet decry her having fought previously. You’re scraping the bottom of the barrel for defenses because the facts leave your argument full of holes.

Cause she needed 2 opponents to make up the difference. She got a nice gauntlet, but against an opponent below her and a rival. An Tempester was able to stand toe to toe with LFDM. Laxus no diffed him. Erza was destroyed in her fight.

The General of the Spriggan, and King of Magic was wrong in his magical assessment. The great Sharkai’s opinion should be trusted over his assessment of the strength of a spell he actually blocked. That makes less sense every time you guys say it. Especially as folk insist he’s still on a level our current opponents are inferior too. Laxus is stronger than Natsu, barring POF, and stronger than Jellal. Natsu didn’t kill anyone until he had to kill Acno, so that’s not a helpful comparison at all lol.

I appreciate you containing your entire argument in a short paragraph. Laxus saying Erza isn’t strong enough to hurt him without fighting to kill, proves my point. Especially when he’s still only fighting to put her down. An his strongest spell is FL, followed by Roaring Thunder and Thunder Dragons Jaw. Especially now that he Has red lightning versions of those as well. His basic RL spell vaporized all her swords and blew apart the church. Erza is the one who spend the entire battle commenting on Laxus overwhelming power. An still felt the need to make a speech about how inspiring his strength was after she lost. That’s Erza’s own words and opinion on the matter. An even after all that, he still wasn’t trying to kill her.

Laxus killed Wahl, and then immediately was confronted by Hades. That my friend is a gauntlet, a series of battles without any break. An a breakthrough isn’t necessarily POF. It’s another shounen trope altogether. Though since Erza is the POF Queen, clearly irrelevant, unless you wanna go through how many of her victories are invalidates by this new circumstancial logic of yours??

Lol.
Yes i dont follow like a sheep.
All you have to do show me markarov, gildarts, natsu or hell even mira saying laxus is beyond erza. Or you cam find me an opponent which laxus.beat and full fresh erza couldnt

Gauntlets, are saying laxus had better gauntlets than erza. Seriously
He beat wahl and then beat hades wow
But you dont care when erza played with juvia and lissana ( was that lissana), fought huge number of soldiers, exchange a blow or two.with meredy, fought azuma (who had easily low diffed gajeel tier opponent), took two hits of entire fairy tail combined power (which mind you includied gildarts) and then you want to compare this erza with laxus 5 seconds of fame.
If he was superior why didnt mishma had laxus stomp erza im ff. Why did he stop the fight with no conclusion.

Right after edolas arc, markarov asked if erza wanted to take 100 year quest.

Yeah, jellal defeated erza, when erza was busy hugging him. Lol you people dont even know how funny you people sound, these examples are exactly why i dont trust you guys in these kind of things (a same level of example would be OS lucy being stronger than OS jura, after all Angel slapped him)

Seriously, erza never said laxus is stronger than them. She said was laxus this strong, after it appeared that laxus had tanked the 25 formula. Right aftet her statement laxus fell. But you didnt know that.
Why cant i?
Scrapping at the bottom of the barrel is asking for fair feats

So laxus fought a weak opponent and stomped and
Erza got tortured, gauntlet and fought the strongest demon gate with even more power. Why would i say laxus is stronger than erza by this

What holes? Please show me holes in my arguments so i can fix them

Love that, august wrong. Hmm.
Didnt markarov stated that erza can take laxus in ff arc. Didnt jellal think who would win erza or him in heaven arc.
August is wrong because jellal and laxus shouldnt be that far apart. Nienhart might have the weakest durability. If jellal serious GC cant kill nienhart, a causal laxus nuke isnt doing shit to ajeel. August statement would also imply that laxus can causally kill erza with that nuke, we already know thats not true. Laxus and jellal and natus can be compared, how can laxus casually kill ajeel if jellal and natsu when serious cant.
Red lightening laxus >>> causal laxus nuke >>>>>> natsu or jellal finisher for jacob or nienhart Seriously!

Huh what. Laxus said stop holding back, that is all.

Laxus doenst seems to have fl anymore. His finisher on whal is his strongest move, which is equal to.erza blumblatt. It wasnt basic.

Dude. That is a problem. Laxus is so strong, i mean erza was so impressed by laxus strength. Which is equal to erza strength. Why would erza be impressed if laxus is only as strong herself, unless she never thought laxus was as strong as her. No one was trying to kill anyone, erza was just holding back. There wasnt really any stake in this battle, so you cant blame her

I enjoy erza bs wins
My point is comparing laxus pof killed wahl (with huge possibility of wahl being weak to that attack) with erza pof overpowering irene top tier move (even gildarts doesnt have such feat)

Since you appreciated my last summary, hopefully you will appreciate this too (since i dont appreciate my own essay length response)
I have fought many laxus fans on this topic (mostly 3 or 5 to 1) and i have a list of reasons why so many people believe laxus to be on a different level than erza before now.
1) pre ts erza is around pre ts natsu level
2) mystogan sleep magic worked on erza but didnt work on laxus
3) laxus performanced better than entire team natsu against hades
4) laxus compared to gildarts in start of gmg
5) laxus beat jura, and jura can take mira and erza at the same time
6) laxus stomped tempester
7) laxus one shot ajeel
8) Laxus beat wahl with cancer and lightening immunity

Is this entire list? Do you have any other thing to add to show laxus was stronger than erza before this time skip.

 

[Demon Hunter]

bruh people denying that Laxus was always above Erza

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I have fought many laxus fans on this topic (mostly 3 or 5 to 1)

bruh you are fighting against FACTS not Laxus fans