Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2020] - Discussion and ToC Talk

[Shinuki no Reborn]

MANGAHELPERS "TOC" POLL ISSUE #51 - VOTING!​

The poll for issue #51 is now open, vote for your favorite chapters of the week clicking HERE!

Alongside the release of Sakamoto Days, the extra series this week are:

-Dragon Ball Super 66
-Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 52
-Ghost Reaper Girl 10

Good Votes!

 

[Halloween]

Moderator Notice:
Henceforth, I will be deleting posts that complain about Weekly Shonen Jump having too many/not enough gag/battle/exorcism/sports/etc series.

These posts are not insightful, and do not meaningfully contribute to this thread. Also, this decision is not up for discussion, so posts discussing this decision will also be deleted.~ Halloween

 

[Ryuusei]

Spoiler: 52 TOC & 01 Preview

呪 僕 O マ ブ S C D 破 C B 夜 C 僕 あ 灼 ぼ チ 高 ア 森 A 仄 ぼ 次号カラー ヒロアカ アンデラ 夜桜 約ネバ 道産子 GIGA 岸本先生が描くコラボポスター 爆豪クリアファイル

Spoiler: Issue #52 ToC & Preview

Jujutsu Kaisen (Cover & LCP)
My Hero Academia
One Piece
Mashle
Black Clover
Sakamoto Days (CP)
Dr. Stone
Magu-chan: God of Destruction (CP)
Build King
Mission: Yozakura Family
Me & Roboco
Ayakashi Triangle (CP)
Shakunetsu no Niraikanai
We Never Learn
Chainsaw Man
Koukousei Kazoku
Undead Unluck
Moriking
Agravity Boys
Honomieru Shounen
Bokura no Ketsumei

Issue #1
Cover & LCP: My Hero Academia
CP: Undead Unluck, Mission: Yozakura Family, The Promised Neverland, Dosanko Gyaru wa Namaramenkoi

GIGA Preview
Collab poster by Kishimoto
Bakugou clear file

 

[WyldViolet]

Tenure = money?
I hope you realize why your credibility on this forum is temporarily dropping.

I mean, One Piece is the best selling manga of all time. It's a media juggernaut that even has its own theme park.
That's gotta give Oda a sense of security and clout that no other Jump mangaka would have.

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Ok. I won't say anything here ever again unless I want to ask a question.

Ignore him. He's in a bad mood or something.

 

[Rain Spectre]

I mean, One Piece is the best selling manga of all time. It's a media juggernaut that even has its own theme park.
That's gotta give Oda a sense of security and clout that no other Jump mangaka would have.

I think a nuance to be considered here is that it's the manga we're talking about, not the mangaka themselves. People don't truly care about Oda, Kishimoto, Kubo and so on as authors as much as they they really care about the series they create, in large part because often those series are the only successful series the author has created. Even cases with authors who have multiple successes like Toriyama and Inoue don't have much overlap. The only exceptions are ases like a good number of the Sunday authors, who have essentially built their names as brands.

 

[Thundercat27]

He hired a girl through an agency. Unbeknownst to him the girl was a year underaged.
It's a rather different situation. Watsuki was intentionally engaging in illegal pedophile behavior (downloading child porn is illegal pedophile behavior).
Shima was entrapped and didn't intentionally engage in illegal pedophile behavior.

This is correct.
Also more on how Watsuki got caught. He unironically went to the Japanese equivalent of Yahoo! Ask to find out if it was illegal to own those cp (those cp weren't illegal a few years before).

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If I'm not mistaken, these two were the most popular manga by region in the shonen jump app.

Too many world end harem, but I guess we are all horny human after all.

 

[savethecat]

I think a nuance to be considered here is that it's the manga we're talking about, not the mangaka themselves. People don't truly care about Oda, Kishimoto, Kubo and so on as authors as much as they they really care about the series they create, in large part because often those series are the only successful series the author has created. Even cases with authors who have multiple successes like Toriyama and Inoue don't have much overlap. The only exceptions are ases like a good number of the Sunday authors, who have essentially built their names as brands.

While it’s true that “1 Big Series =/= Every Future Series Will Be Big”, people definitely care about individual creators to some degree.

A large portion of One Piece’s fanbase in the West refer to Oda as Goda(God + Oda). I obviously can’t vouch for Japan, but Oda himself seems to be very respected among other creators as well as fans. There are plenty of ppl who’re loyal to the creators of a series they love. Especially creators who have multiple successes under their belt.

If nobody cared about the creators, corporations would have long stopped tagging on “FROM THE CREATOR OF_______” onto the following projects of successful creators.

 

[Rain Spectre]

While it’s true that “1 Big Series =/= Every Future Series Will Be Big”, people definitely care about individual creators to some degree.

A large portion of One Piece’s fanbase in the West refer to Oda as Goda(God + Oda). I obviously can’t vouch for Japan, but Oda himself seems to be very respected among other creators as well as fans. There are plenty of ppl who’re loyal to the creators of a series they love. Especially creators who have multiple successes under their belt.

If nobody cared about the creators, corporations would have long stopped tagging on “FROM THE CREATOR OF_______” onto the following projects of successful creators.

Do they respect them as creators though or do they respect them as the creator of X series? There's a difference.

 

[BX-02BLODIA]

Physical and digital. Also includes January reprints.

It just hit me right now, but how exactly does circulation work digitally?

 

[savethecat]

Do they respect them as creators though or do they respect them as the creator of X series? There's a difference.

You’re basically arguing in circles.

People become fans of the creators because they like and respect the work they create.
people who read manga aren’t slow. If someone loves a manga, they have enough sense to know that the manga is only great because the person who created it is great at what they do.

That is why people will check out another series when they see “From the creator of _____”. They trust and respect that creator enough that they’ll give their next project a shot, in hopes that it’s good like their previous work”.

The more success that creator stacks up, the more people respect them as a creator, and the more trust ppl have that they’ll create a good series.

Hell, people say that Platinum End isn’t a very good series. But literally everyone I know who hates it continues to read it solely because this is the new series from the guys who created Death Note and Bakuman. There are people who don’t like Samurai 8, and continue to read it because it’s Kishimoto. There are ppl who overhype Samurai because it’s Kishimoto. If that’s not respect and dedication for the creator themself, idk what it.

 

[101nemesis]

It just hit me right now, but how exactly does circulation work digitally?

It doesn't.
This is probably just the print number. Or it might include the print number of physical volumes and digital sales combined.

 

[Thundercat27]

You’re basically arguing in circles.

People become fans of the creators because they like and respect the work they create.
people who read manga aren’t slow. If someone loves a manga, they have enough sense to know that the manga is only great because the person who created it is great at what they do.

That is why people will check out another series when they see “From the creator of _____”. They trust and respect that creator enough that they’ll give their next project a shot, in hopes that it’s good like their previous work”.

The more success that creator stacks up, the more people respect them as a creator, and the more trust ppl have that they’ll create a good series.

Hell, people say that Platinum End isn’t a very good series. But literally everyone I know who hates it continues to read it solely because this is the new series from the guys who created Death Note and Bakuman. There are people who don’t like Samurai 8, and continue to read it because it’s Kishimoto. There are ppl who overhype Samurai because it’s Kishimoto. If that’s not respect and dedication for the creator themself, idk what it.

Not sure if relevant, but I still read S8 for the same reason I watched the Star Wars prequel despite already knew about its reputation. I can't be sure if I respect George Lucas, nor the same can be said for Kishi. On the other hand, after the sequel, I regained some moderate amount of respect for George Lucas. But this is totally off-topic.

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

It just hit me right now, but how exactly does circulation work digitally?

Digital it's not circulation but sales, basically if the manga sold 100k in digital they will mix it with the print numbers, which i find annoying since is just a trick to boost the manga numbers, they should at least specify how much is digital and how much is printed, but they keep it vague.

 

[Mammo]

Make an announcement that what the One Piece is will be revealed in the next volume. It would sell 50 million copies first week, 120 million first month.

but we aleady know the real one piece was the laugh tales we made along the way

 

[Franz]

I doubt Kishimoto's is that kind of person.

Also I remeber him saying in an interview that he wasn't just a one time lucky guy and wants to prove he can make a manga that surpasses Naruto. So doing something like that is kinda like... scummy.

Honestly, with all due respect to Kishi I want to believe that he REALLY didn't believe that he could surpass or even repeat Naruto's success ....

Maybe he shouldn't have been on the Jump, but in another magazine ...

So much so I'm sure he doesn't give a damn much that is, let's talk about the one who wrote the third manga for sales of the Jump.

 

[perroloco]

@Rain Spectre
That's not true, people do care about mangakas, same as game directors or movie directors, especially when they have a style which in the case of most mangakas they have a distinct storytelling style and art style.

E.g. when you go see a Tarantino film you expect it to be violent and stylish, people that read Stephen King's books also expect a certain writing style (So much that when he tried to make books, Hideo Kojima too with Death Stranding for example.

Sure, it's not like authors can always create successful hits, and sure authors won't probably always make the same kind of movie/game/manga, some do, like for example Masami Kurumada always making battle shonen manga, Nobuyuki Fukumoto creating betting manga or Naoki Urasawa creating Mystery manga (Though I think some of his earlier works weren't thrillers?) but there are also mangaka (and every other kind of creators) that move from the genre that first established them, e.g. Takehiko Inoue doing Slam Dunk and then Vagabond, Akira Toriyama moving from gag to battle manga with Dr. Slump to Dragon Ball.

There's probably a good reason that Samurai 8 has been picked by various publishers around the world (I think it's already being published in some, with only 3 in Japan) same with Eden's Zero and IIRC Rinne when first launched back in like 2009 was published digitally at the same time in the US iirc, it was all because fans wanted to support a work made by their favorite author.

I'm not saying an audience will just blindly buy/watch anything new an author releases, that's just not how things work, but there certainly is a fan base that's dedicated enough and will follow everything an author makes, or at least be interested in his/her new work. Perhaps with super popular titles like Naruto or One Piece only a "small" fraction of fans will buy everything published by Kishimoto or Oda, but you can bet they will at least give it a try just because they want to see if their favorite author came up with a cool new franchise.

For other more "niche" authors (Think authors like Kohji Kumeta, Suehiro Maruo, Nobuyuki Fukumoto, authors with a very... stylized approach to their mangas) their fans are more fans of the authors than their manga, like they would probably read anything made by the author. (Kinda like how Junji Ito is being published right now in the US and globally, as anthologist of horror stories and stuff, because fans don't really care about one particular title, sure Uzumaki probably sold more than the anthologies but most fans buy the manga because it's a Junji Ito manga0

 

[Blink22]

Kishi should have tried writing for a seinen magazine like WYJ instead of going back to the usual formula in WSJ. If Samurai gets moved/cancelled/ends naturally, I still would like him to come back with a new series that’s not for SJ. He has it in him to surpass Naruto in quality. I think he could pull off a good historical manga or a story more grounded.

 

[Rain Spectre]

Commemorative tweet for the big MHA episode.

 

[yadayada]

Honestly, with all due respect to Kishi I want to believe that he REALLY didn't believe that he could surpass or even repeat Naruto's success ....

Maybe he shouldn't have been on the Jump, but in another magazine ...

So much so I'm sure he doesn't give a damn much that is, let's talk about the one who wrote the third manga for sales of the Jump.

Yeah i mean, this isn't even an opinion on kishi as an artist, it's just naive to expect to get another series with the level of success of naruto, regardless of who writes it.

Series that reach this level are a rarity, they are series where everything aligns at the perfect time for them, it goes beyond just being a good mangaka. I mean, jump looked the entire decade for a series that could get to the level of the "big 3" and only found one literally at the end of it. It's just not that simple.

 

[Rain Spectre]

Yeah i mean, this isn't even an opinion on kishi as an artist, it's just naive to expect to get another series with the level of success of naruto, regardless of who writes it.

Series that reach this level are a rarity, they are series where everything aligns at the perfect time for them, it goes beyond just being a good mangaka. I mean, jump looked the entire decade for a series that could get to the level of the "big 3" and only found one literally at the end of it. It's just not that simple.

Thing is, Kishi did say he would "surpass" Naruto with Samurai 8.

And that's the really stupefying thing about Samurai 8 to me. Kishimoto knew full well many of his decisions and ideas would come off as alienating to readers and would normally be suicide for a writer to try, but felt people would accept his "masterpiece" simply because of his name. I know its harsh to say, but a lot of the series downfall comes not down to anything like readers being fickle, a lack of editorial involvement, or any other factors, but to Kishimoto's own arrogance, thinking that creating Naruto garenteed him success for life no matter what.

 

[Ctkk]

Thing is, Kishi did say he would "surpass" Naruto with Samurai 8.

And that's the really stupefying thing about Samurai 8 to me. Kishimoto knew full well many of his decisions and ideas would come off as alienating to readers and would normally be suicide for a writer to try, but felt people would accept his "masterpiece" simply because of his name. I know its harsh to say, but a lot of the series downfall comes not down to anything like readers being fickle, a lack of editorial involvement, or any other factors, but to Kishimoto's own arrogance, thinking that creating Naruto garenteed him success for life no matter what.

Well, of course he'd say that. What else is he gonna say? ''Check out my new series. It's not near as good as Naruto, but still worth a try, I swear''

It's not a matter of believing it or not. He ought to at least try. Everyone starting a new project would want to surpass their previous peak and work to achieve that.

 

[RafGL]

Well, I guess this depends on whether they actually maintain and change this schedule to make everything earlier from now on or if it's just a 1-time thing. Buf it they indeed make releases 5 hours earlier than what we had, kudos for MANGA Plus.

 

[savethecat]

I’m pretty sure Kishimoto meant that he was going to write a series he felt was better than Naruto. A series that he felt was just a more quality series. I highly doubt he believed he could easily make another 72 volumes, 15 year long, 200 Mill+ selling series.

The quality of S8 is subjective. But I’m sure he just wanted to make a better series. Don’t get how that comes off as foolish or arrogant of him to say. That should be the goal of every creator, regardless of how successful their last work was commercially or critically. The aim should be improving with time and making something better