Discussion Sanji Discussion Thread

[Crazytype]

Hi, I haven't posted here for a while but fell compelled to add my opinion about, Sanji.
While I agree in some parts about the negative aspects of Sanji after the time skip, I think some have missed a few details about his capabilities.
It was mentioned, that Sanji couldn't use armament Haki, to which I disagree. In fact, the fight versus Judge is the first time after the time skip that he used it, as far as I know.

Sanji blocked the spear with his foot, and Judge mentioned him using Haki. We haven't seen a close up of his legs, but he's got black pants, so...
and here he takes the tip of the spear full on, without any leg injury.

Someone else also said that Sanji is not a speedster perse, and the difference in speed is negligible, to which I also disagree. It's not just that he's more mobile with his skywalk, he's also definitely faster than most of his comrades except Luffy with Gear 2 and this will be the his core fighting style in the future. We can see this when he was attacking Oven. He didn't want to be found out but also wanted to rescue Chiffons father and appeared in front of Oven, without Oven even able to see ehat had hit him. Oven is below the level of a commander, but he's capable nonetheless. Everything happened in a blink of an eye.

I'm also disappointed with Sanji's recent fights, but I also agree some of those were for story reasons. There's no way Sanji won't be one of the strongest Pirates at the end of One Piece, we're all just a bit impatient. I'm sure that he will fight one of the calamities and will shine and improve. Everyone have their badass movements and Sanji's will surely come again.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

If the SHP fights blackbeard crew, who do u think will fight sanji?
We dont know yet about the whole crew power, but for now i would say sanji fights burgess due to both of them are bare-handed fighters

 

[Pirate Queen]

If the SHP fights blackbeard crew, who do u think will fight sanji?
We dont know yet about the whole crew power, but for now i would say sanji fights burgess due to both of them are bare-handed fighters

Shiryu of the Rain

Invisibility vs Invisibility

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

All 3 are inhuman as didn't Nami stated them as Monsters in Thriller Bark. Pretty sure it's not for one person on their durability. Also Vergo never defeated him while Doffy while lost was very strong threat that Law lost to and Zoro couldn't do anything to his Birdcage at all.

Vergo wins the short fight against sanji.
Law fought better and longer than sanji against doflamingo, though. Law is underestimated here.
Zoro never bothers to cut birdcage, he holds them coz he trusts luffy unlike a 'certain character' who just beats his captain that wants to save him

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Shiryu of the Rain

Invisibility vs Invisibility

Oda will enjoy that fight coz he wont need to draw much lol
But dont think oda will go that way coz sanji usually doesnt fight swordsman.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Oda will enjoy that fight coz he wont need to draw much lol
But dont think oda will go that way coz sanji usually doesnt fight swordsman.

True....

 

[Deleted member 169696]

Can you feel non-living things with Observation Haki?

Pretty sure Shiryu will be the one to awaken his fruit and then it seems plausible he'd be capable of making everything invisible, not just himself.

Then Oda will enjoy drawing this fight even more.

But on a more serious note, it makes more sense for Shiryu to be the challenge that Zoro will need to overcome.

Sanji has better observation.

 

[King Moe]

Sanji isn't afraid of blades like Luffy and would fight anyone. I see him more taking on Shiryu given similarities while Zoro vs Burgess due First Mate Rule as he is leader of the 1st ship. Oda can be surprising and can change it up.

 

[HereNThere]

Zoro is most definitely fighting Shiryu. Personally, I see Sanji fighting Vasco Shot for some reason.

 

[nik87]

Zoro is most definitely fighting Shiryu. Personally, I see Sanji fighting Vasco Shot for some reason.

The Corrupt King, Avalo Pizzaro from North Blue, who seems to be fist focused, is Sanjino's most likely opponent.

 

[King Moe]

The Corrupt King, Avalo Pizzaro from North Blue, who seems to be fist focused, is Sanjino's most likely opponent.

Zoro is most definitely fighting Shiryu. Personally, I see Sanji fighting Vasco Shot for some reason.

Don't see it. No much connect or traits to push them forward as Sanji vs Shiryu especially Shiryu dressed as if he is from Germa or evil organization. Not only that he took invisibility from opponent Sanji beaten easily years ago. Oda hinting a lot to clash especially we can't missed moment when they are invisible and accidentally bump into each other XD.

Feel though Zoro could have Burgess or other swordsmen in the group. Forgot his name .

 

[HereNThere]

An invisibility fight would be fun, but there is no other Swordsman on Blackbeard's crew. Shiryu is definitely Zoro's guy.

We don't know much else about the other L6 Prisoners that were recruited. Vasco Shot could very well be the Chef of Blackbeard's crew and thus be Sanji's opponent. Seeing as how Blackbeard's crew is the only other crew with clearly defined roles after Luffy's crew, I think we are literally going to get mirror matches during their fight. Captain vs Captain, Helmsman vs Helmsman, Navigator vs Navigator, etc.

 

[King Moe]

An invisibility fight would be fun, but there is no other Swordsman on Blackbeard's crew. Shiryu is definitely Zoro's guy.

We don't know much else about the other L6 Prisoners that were recruited. Vasco Shot could very well be the Chef of Blackbeard's crew and thus be Sanji's opponent. Seeing as how Blackbeard's crew is the only other crew with clearly defined roles after Luffy's crew, I think we are literally going to get mirror matches during their fight. Captain vs Captain, Helmsman vs Helmsman, Navigator vs Navigator, etc.

Ink about that as many hasn't been stated to be same profession especially what their background says for the most part. Don't think it be who you think will face off and Oda could do swerve on some opponents especially facing swordsman for Sanji and Zoro facing an Fighter be true testament to their rivalry in the end. Can see a moment similar to that OP movie where face opponents similar to other occupation. Would be fun to see a fight like that.

 

[Luke Beifong]

I think we are literally going to get mirror matches during their fight. Captain vs Captain, Helmsman vs Helmsman, Navigator vs Navigator, etc.

I think it to, but I don’t know... I can’t see Nami fighting Laffitte and I can’t imagine a archeologist in BB crew. And who’s gonna fight with Sanjuan? He is the biggest guy in all the history! A giant with a DF that makes him even bigger! He is so big that he can walk in the ocean! Man! This is crazy!

 

[HereNThere]

I think it to, but I don’t know... I can’t see Nami fighting Laffitte and I can’t imagine a archeologist in BB crew. And who’s gonna fight with Sanjuan? He is the biggest guy in all the history! A giant with a DF that makes him even bigger! He is so big that he can walk in the ocean! Man! This is crazy!

Battleship Sanjuan vs General Franky and Thousand Sunny fusion.

The only person I don't want Sanji to fight on Blackbeard's crew Jesus Burguess. Vasco Shot or Corrupt King, I'm down with. There is a chance that Vasco Shot will use Drunken Fist style since his favorite food is a Chinese type wine and I want to see Sanji fight someone like that.

 

[King Moe]

Battleship Sanjuan vs General Franky and Thousand Sunny fusion.

The only person I don't want Sanji to fight on Blackbeard's crew Jesus Burguess. Vasco Shot or Corrupt King, I'm down with. There is a chance that Vasco Shot will use Drunken Fist style since his favorite food is a Chinese type wine and I want to see Sanji fight someone like that.

Rather get Shiryu as see potential there more. Though respect your opinion.

 

[M3J]

Why would Sanji fight a swordsman when he himself is not a swordsman?

The matchups will likely be based on fighting styles and power levels.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

An invisibility fight would be fun, but there is no other Swordsman on Blackbeard's crew. Shiryu is definitely Zoro's guy.

We don't know much else about the other L6 Prisoners that were recruited. Vasco Shot could very well be the Chef of Blackbeard's crew and thus be Sanji's opponent. Seeing as how Blackbeard's crew is the only other crew with clearly defined roles after Luffy's crew, I think we are literally going to get mirror matches during their fight. Captain vs Captain, Helmsman vs Helmsman, Navigator vs Navigator, etc.

Agree, i think the blackbeard crew is quite similar to shp so the fight might be based on role
Van augur sniped a bird far away from an island. Thats some big material for usopp.
Sanji will probably get a cook as his enemy

Feel though Zoro could have Burgess or other swordsmen in the group. Forgot his name .

Pretty sure you forgot the name coz that other swordsman never exists

 

[woefdram]

Agree, i think the blackbeard crew is quite similar to shp so the fight might be based on role
Van augur sniped a bird far away from an island. Thats some big material for usopp.
Sanji will probably get a cook as his enemy


Pretty sure you forgot the name coz that other swordsman never exists

You mean Lafitte right? As he is kind of a secondary swordsman he would be quite a good match for Brook?

What throws me off is the order of the BB pirates in terms of what ship they command.

The order might be random, but if it's based on strength it would currently make sense for Burgess to be matched with Zoro and Shiryu to be matched with Sanji.

I'd quite like to see Sanji take on Shiryu to demonstrate his observation haki skills

 

[nik87]

Sanji has never taken on bad swordsmen, let alone master swordsmen, even less those of Shiryus caliber. It is not his job to fight Shiryu, invisibility parallel helps him in no way.
The corrupt king probably has some history with the Vinsmokes and most likely is a good puncher seeing how his arms look so we will be seeing a leg vs fist match.

 

[woefdram]

Sanji has never taken on bad swordsmen, let alone master swordsmen, even less those of Shiryus caliber. It is not his job to fight Shiryu, invisibility parallel helps him in no way.
The corrupt king probably has some history with the Vinsmokes and most likely is a good puncher seeing how his arms look so we will be seeing a leg vs fist match.

I'm hoping for an epic battle between Zoro and Shiryu in the rain which is basically decided with one slash. Proper old school Ashura type battle

I was just looking it up and I wrongly presumed whitebeard's division captains were ranked based on strength.

There's therefore not really any basis to assume this is the case for the BB pirates, which means that my prior comment was pointless

Yeah Pizarro looks like a logical match for Sanji. Why not Burgess though?