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[hokageji]

Not really.

WHy not? Sanji said he would never use his hands to cook, a wink wouldn't be a waste? i actually would love the idea, even if that makes him an okama.

 

[kkck]

Oh come on, no way....
I think Mingo would've given a tough time to Katakuri....
Cracker, he would've beaten easily.

Cracker was third in big mom's crew, a position comparable to that of vista's or jozu's.... Even against doflamingo luffy could somewhat hold his own while using gear 2/3 for at least a little while meanwhile cracker was flawlessly able to hold back luffy's gear 4. Were it not for nami, luffy would not have landed a single hit on cracker. In fact, doflamingo could hardly stand against luffy's gear 4 at all, his only bet was staying out of range and wait gear 4 out. I'd say the manga is fairly clear on the fact that doflamingo isn't top 3 yonko commander material.

There is a reason doflamingo was terrified of a yonko's crew.... Because top 3 yonko commanders school him in combat and the mid range ones give him a run for his money.

 

[HereNThere]

Unpopular opinion.

Sanji knows Death Wink.

One of the weirdest omissions from Sanji's post time skip repitoire is a Rankyaku variation. If he knows Death Wink, it would be something like that.

Unpopular opinion

Nami keeps Zeus permanently

That's...exceedinly plausible to the point where folks already consider Zeus her's.

 

[kkck]

One of the weirdest omissions from Sanji's post time skip repitoire is a Rankyaku variation. If he knows Death Wink, it would be something like that.

Yeah, i've noticed that as well. Dunno why oda doesn't give this to sanji... Perhaps because in a weird way it'd make him competition with zoro? Back in the day kaku's 4 sword style was based on using rankyaku on his legs... So perhaps giving it to sanji would make his style too similar to a swordsmans, at least visually? I suppose it could simply be something oda is saving for later. Rankyaku diable jambe is something I'd look forward to at least.

 

[HereNThere]

Yeah, i've noticed that as well. Dunno why oda doesn't give this to sanji... Perhaps because in a weird way it'd make him competition with zoro? Back in the day kaku's 4 sword style was based on using rankyaku on his legs... So perhaps giving it to sanji would make his style too similar to a swordsmans, at least visually? I suppose it could simply be something oda is saving for later. Rankyaku diable jambe is something I'd look forward to at least.

Jyabura's Rankyaku were more impact based than cutting, so I think it could be changed up to differentiate Sanji's attacks from flying slashes. Plus, as you said, Diable Jiambe would give it a unique look too.

 

[ish3]

Robin won’t have another one on one fight until the crew fights Blackbeard or the final war.

 

[King Moe]

Mihawk is and never at same lol as Yonkos and Admirals. If anything. He is strongest Warlord and equal or bit above YCs. Though feel he is not above Yonkos or even Admirals. Can't see it at all.

 

[M3J]

Robin has the potential to be an extremely useful fighter/support, possibly putting her over the Monster Trio.

 

[hokageji]

Robin has the potential to be an extremely useful fighter/support, possibly putting her over the Monster Trio.

Someone here has an amazing thread about that, Robin as Rokushiki and haki user....

 

[woefdram]

Crocodile could beat Kaido

 

[M3J]

Someone here has an amazing thread about that, Robin as Rokushiki and haki user....

oo, that'd make her even more dangerous.

 

[goldb]

Guys, remember if you're going to state what you believe are unpopular opinions, you ought to also discuss why you believe they are or aren't. What we don't want is this to just turn into a listing thread or people using this as excuse to bash any particular characters. All those will simply be removed.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Oh, another one:

Jinbe was eaten by big mom.

Rock in the pool
So nice and cool
So juicy sweet!
Now we wish
To catch a fish
So juicy sweet!

Spoiler

 

[Takuan]

Cracker was third in big mom's crew, a position comparable to that of vista's or jozu's.... Even against doflamingo luffy could somewhat hold his own while using gear 2/3 for at least a little while meanwhile cracker was flawlessly able to hold back luffy's gear 4. Were it not for nami, luffy would not have landed a single hit on cracker. In fact, doflamingo could hardly stand against luffy's gear 4 at all, his only bet was staying out of range and wait gear 4 out. I'd say the manga is fairly clear on the fact that doflamingo isn't top 3 yonko commander material.

There is a reason doflamingo was terrified of a yonko's crew.... Because top 3 yonko commanders school him in combat and the mid range ones give him a run for his money.

Meh, i disagree with that. Doflamingo isn't scared of yonko commanders, as shown at Marineford when he went immobilizing Jozu casually. He doesn't seem to really give a shit, and he wasn't even that scared of Aokiji when they almost clashed, eventhough he decided to back off. The one time he was truly scared was about Kaido himself, not his crew or commanders.

Crocodile could beat Kaido

That's questionable to say the least.

 

[kkck]

Meh, i disagree with that. Doflamingo isn't scared of yonko commanders, as shown at Marineford when he went immobilizing Jozu casually. He doesn't seem to really give a shit, and he wasn't even that scared of Aokiji when they almost clashed, eventhough he decided to back off. The one time he was truly scared was about Kaido himself, not his crew or commanders.


That's questionable to say the least.

Doflamingo's ability could also trap the entirety of dressrosa including an admiral and hordes of pirates. That's doesn't mean he was stronger than all those he trapped. What we saw at marineford certainly does not mean doflamingo was a match to jozu. And... what you mention doesn't change the fact that doflamingo was rather helpless against gear 4 while cracker handled it with ease.

 

[McNuss]

Doflamingo's ability could also trap the entirety of dressrosa including an admiral and hordes of pirates. That's doesn't mean he was stronger than all those he trapped. What we saw at marineford certainly does not mean doflamingo was a match to jozu. And... what you mention doesn't change the fact that doflamingo was rather helpless against gear 4 while cracker handled it with ease.

The Anime greatly expanded Luffy VS Cracker. In Manga Canon Luffy owns the armored Cracker in G4.

 

[kkck]

The Anime greatly expanded Luffy VS Cracker. In Manga Canon Luffy owns the armored Cracker in G4.

But.... the anime is irrelevant. In the manga we see cracker handling gear 4 luffy with ease. Nami is the only reason luffy wasn't overwhelmed by the cracker army.

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Ok, and to add more context:

Gear 2/3 luffy was able to hold his ground for a bit against doflamingo. Doflamingo clearly had the edge as the battle drew out at this stage but at least luffy was capable of holding his ground for a bit.

Gear 2/3 luffy never approached cracker while he was wearing his cracker suit.

Gear 4 luffy consistently overwhelmed doflamingo. If anything, gear 4 was plenty to beat doflamingo. The main issue on that end was gear 4 not lasting enough to finish the job.

Gear 4 luffy in turn was able to break past cracker's first cracker suit. But... that was barely the tip of the iceberg. At that point cracker's true form, which took no damage appeared and cut luffy's arm. And from that point onward gear 4 was helpless until nami intervened and used her moisture to allow luffy to eat the cracker army.

It'd fairly clear that cracker is the bigger threat compared to doflamingo.

 

[McNuss]

But.... the anime is irrelevant. In the manga we see cracker handling gear 4 luffy with ease. Nami is the only reason luffy wasn't overwhelmed by the cracker army.

--- Double Post Merged, Jan 16, 2020, Original Post Date: Jan 16, 2020 ---

Ok, and to add more context:

Gear 2/3 luffy was able to hold his ground for a bit against doflamingo. Doflamingo clearly had the edge as the battle drew out at this stage but at least luffy was capable of holding his ground for a bit.

Gear 2/3 luffy never approached cracker while he was wearing his cracker suit.

Gear 4 luffy consistently overwhelmed doflamingo. If anything, gear 4 was plenty to beat doflamingo. The main issue on that end was gear 4 not lasting enough to finish the job.

Gear 4 luffy in turn was able to break past cracker's first cracker suit. But... that was barely the tip of the iceberg. At that point cracker's true form, which took no damage appeared and cut luffy's arm. And from that point onward gear 4 was helpless until nami intervened and used her moisture to allow luffy to eat the cracker army.

It'd fairly clear that cracker is the bigger threat compared to doflamingo.

Cracker only hit Luffy once via surprise. A helpless G4 is never shown as Luffy dodges Pretzel Roll right after. G4 is finite, but the next time we see Luffy using it, Cracker gets defeated.

Nami's help gets brought up a lot, but Luffy had a lot of help in the Doflamingo fight as well... Just like in almost any of his fights.

The two fights are hardly comparable though, because while one is shown in great detail, the other is mostly offscreened.

 

[hokageji]

Cracker was third in big mom's crew, a position comparable to that of vista's or jozu's.... Even against doflamingo luffy could somewhat hold his own while using gear 2/3 for at least a little while meanwhile cracker was flawlessly able to hold back luffy's gear 4. Were it not for nami, luffy would not have landed a single hit on cracker. In fact, doflamingo could hardly stand against luffy's gear 4 at all, his only bet was staying out of range and wait gear 4 out. I'd say the manga is fairly clear on the fact that doflamingo isn't top 3 yonko commander material.

There is a reason doflamingo was terrified of a yonko's crew.... Because top 3 yonko commanders school him in combat and the mid range ones give him a run for his money.

Here's how things happened to Mingo in Dressrosa..

Got redhawked by Luffy
Surprised opening attack by Law
Almost got killed by Law
recovered from that
Fought Luffy in his gear 2 and gear 3 mode, Luffy couldnt keep up to that.
took Luffy's gear 4 attack head on and still survived.
10 minutes of continuous attacks on him by others to save help Luffy recover
Luffy's gear 4 attack...

And he even had bird cage on during all this time.
If lUffy got help against cracker, he did so against Doflamingo too..

Besides that, Jozu didnt fair so well against DoFlamingo, so one can argue that Doflamnigo is already on a Yonko level.
Where are you getting that Mingo is scared of Yonko's crew. He's just scared of Kaido, which everyone should be.

 

[kkck]

Here's how things happened to Mingo in Dressrosa..

Got redhawked by Luffy
Surprised opening attack by Law
Almost got killed by Law
recovered from that
Fought Luffy in his gear 2 and gear 3 mode, Luffy couldnt keep up to that.
took Luffy's gear 4 attack head on and still survived.
10 minutes of continuous attacks on him by others to save help Luffy recover
Luffy's gear 4 attack...

And he even had bird cage on during all this time.
If lUffy got help against cracker, he did so against Doflamingo too..

Besides that, Jozu didnt fair so well against DoFlamingo, so one can argue that Doflamnigo is already on a Yonko level.
Where are you getting that Mingo is scared of Yonko's crew. He's just scared of Kaido, which everyone should be.

I agree in that a battle of attrition was a big part in how doflamingo was defeated. It's what ultimately allowed luffy to win by a hair against the guy. But for this to play out as you mention we'd have to make the assumption that doflamingo without having taken that much damage would have been able to nearly flawlessly handle gear 4. Which.... I don't buy. Certainly luffy wouldn't have won against a 100% doflamingo but at least to me it looks like gear 4 would still have dealt substantial damage to doflamingo. Cracker in turn was able to hold back luffy even while nami softened his cookie soldiers for a whole night. Without that, luffy simply doesn't have the means to get past the cracker army and actually land a hit even with gear 4.

As for bird cage, it doesn't' seem like the technique was that big a drain on him. The bird cage seemed largely independent. Otherwise we'd have to assume that doflamingo alone is stronger than all the people that were trying to stop the bird cage, which would be absurd.

Doflamingo didn't have much of a fight with jozu. He simply showed up from behind and restrained him with his strings. Which doesn't really evidence doflamingo actually being on the same level as jozu given how arbitrarily strong the strings can be.