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MANGAHELPERS "TOC" POLL ISSUE #51 - VOTING!​

The poll for issue #51 is now open, vote for your favorite chapters of the week clicking HERE!

Alongside the release of Sakamoto Days, the extra series this week are:

-Dragon Ball Super 66
-Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 52
-Ghost Reaper Girl 10


Good Votes!
 
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Henceforth, I will be deleting posts that complain about Weekly Shonen Jump having too many/not enough gag/battle/exorcism/sports/etc series.

These posts are not insightful, and do not meaningfully contribute to this thread. Also, this decision is not up for discussion, so posts discussing this decision will also be deleted.~ Halloween
 
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呪 僕 O マ ブ S C D 破 C B 夜 C 僕 あ 灼 ぼ チ 高 ア 森 A 仄 ぼ 次号カラー ヒロアカ アンデラ 夜桜 約ネバ 道産子 GIGA 岸本先生が描くコラボポスター 爆豪クリアファイル
Jujutsu Kaisen (Cover & LCP)
My Hero Academia
One Piece
Mashle
Black Clover
Sakamoto Days (CP)
Dr. Stone
Magu-chan: God of Destruction (CP)
Build King
Mission: Yozakura Family
Me & Roboco
Ayakashi Triangle (CP)
Shakunetsu no Niraikanai
We Never Learn
Chainsaw Man
Koukousei Kazoku
Undead Unluck
Moriking
Agravity Boys
Honomieru Shounen
Bokura no Ketsumei

Issue #1
Cover & LCP: My Hero Academia
CP: Undead Unluck, Mission: Yozakura Family, The Promised Neverland, Dosanko Gyaru wa Namaramenkoi

GIGA Preview
Collab poster by Kishimoto
Bakugou clear file
 
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I loved Mashle first chapter, can't wait to explore the world and get bigger cast
I get the ONE manga comparisons but personally the cartoonish art and reactions and characters tone reminded me more of One Piece

I like Mitama conclusion to the Body arc, but how fast Rena controlled her rage, how fast the Body turned from bad guys to good guys, Mitama indirect confession is giving me an axe vibes :(

Yozakura introduced yet another new character that's insanely in love with Mutsumi *sigh*
this also gives final arc vibes, we went from meeting the hinagiku and getting destroyed by them for the first time to Taiyo being equal to top officer in the next chapter to meeting hinagiku boss the following chapter

Agraivty is as funny as always, but the story isn't moving anywhere

Zipman is doing an action oriented serious arc without us caring about the characters and without being familiar with anything is rushed, such a shame, the chapter where the brother were stalking their classmate was a step in the right direction
cool art is cool I guess...

UxU, the art and premise of this was cool so I was willing to look away from the creepiness if the story was good, but turns out it just another generic evil organization hunting misunderstood heroes with forced vulgarity for no good reason
also both leads are unlikable shitheads, I hate the girl more than the zombie to be honest

Samurai 8, If after 35 chapters Kishi still think 20 pages of info dumps and weird ass terminology are good content this manga is beyond saving
this manga will always be like this, there's no "chew and chew and it will get to the good part"
it's been 4 volumes, earlier attempt at this kind of info dump were met with bad reader surveys and lacking sales so why try again? ever heard of show don't tell? just shut up and do something interesting
it's not even necessary info dump, it either something we already know (the boxes) or something we don't need to know (world origins)
and the things we wanted to know were kept vague (it's up to your interpretation bruh! you might already seen it bruh!)
I read this the first thing in the morning when I wake up and by page 9 I got tired
 

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I loved Mashle first chapter, can't wait to explore the world and get bigger cast
I get the ONE manga comparisons but personally the cartoonish art and reactions and characters tone reminded me more of One Piece

I like Mitama conclusion to the Body arc, but how fast Rena controlled her rage, how fast the Body turned from bad guys to good guys, Mitama indirect confession is giving me an axe vibes :(

Yozakura introduced yet another new character that's insanely in love with Mutsumi *sigh*
this also gives final arc vibes, we went from meeting the hinagiku and getting destroyed by them for the first time to Taiyo being equal to top officer in the next chapter to meeting hinagiku boss the following chapter

Agraivty is as funny as always, but the story isn't moving anywhere

Zipman is doing an action oriented serious arc without us caring about the characters and without being familiar with anything is rushed, such a shame, the chapter where the brother were stalking their classmate was a step in the right direction
cool art is cool I guess...

UxU, the art and premise of this was cool so I was willing to look away from the creepiness if the story was good, but turns out it just another generic evil organization hunting misunderstood heroes with forced vulgarity for no good reason
also both leads are unlikable shitheads, I hate the girl more than the zombie to be honest

Samurai 8, If after 35 chapters Kishi still think 20 pages of info dumps and weird ass terminology are good content this manga is beyond saving
this manga will always be like this, there's no "chew and chew and it will get to the good part"
it's been 4 volumes, earlier attempt at this kind of info dump were met with bad reader surveys and lacking sales so why try again? ever heard of show don't tell? just shut up and do something interesting
it's not even necessary info dump, it either something we already know (the boxes) or something we don't need to know (world origins)
and the things we wanted to know we kept vague (it's up to your interpretation bruh! you might already seen it bruh!)
I read this the first thing in the morning when I wake up and by page 9 I got tired
I absolutely fail to see how Mashle can in any way be compared to One Piece.

Counter, would they give it a CP with the words of "great reception" is they were axing it? Those first two things are more just the series readjusting back to the status quo.

Ouch, I see you have a low opinion of UxU.
 

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but I can't feel truly "sorry" for Kishimoto
But why should you feel sorry?

Why should one feel sorry in general?

Honestly, this race for the success of Samurai 8 seems to me to be more the public than the author.

Kishimoto initially stated that he would probably sell little. He has the money now, so I don't think success matters that much. Realistically, I think he might be more interested in making history as he wants it, also it differs a lot from Naruto, when today's trend for a successful manga is to refer to some elements put into play by Naruto (in my opinion).

Also since he is kishimoto, he will probably have a contract in his hand that allows him to do a little what he wants, with much more freedom than a normal author (so he probably doesn't have to respect the same sales numbers to go ahead, he doesn't have to make changes requested by the editor and much more).

Obviously this is my guess, but there are several elements that support them, starting from the words of the author, up to the fact that despite the low sales the manga did not start in the end, it has undergone substantial changes to have a relaunch ....
--- Double Post Merged, , Original Post Date: ---

I said not all series get the same amount of editorial meddling
But what do you know?
 

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But what do you know?
Why would you think otherwise? If the author's own ideas are doing more than fine the editor isn't going to tell him not to go ahead just cause he can. Therefore not all series are going to get the same amount of editorial meddling. Seems like a simple concept to me.

Would it have been better if they had decided to serialize Mario instead of S8?



From now on I wonder what other characters will be in the future covers. Pillars are now complete, let's see if we'll see duos like the first 4 covers.
I'd assume Yoriichi is on one of the next covers.
 

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Why would you think otherwise? I
In the sense, what makes you think that the others do not immediately have editorial interference?

However I do not see what is serious, all mangaka at the beginning are recommended by editors ....
 

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I absolutely fail to see how Mashle can in any way be compared to One Piece.
but personally the cartoonish art and reactions and characters tone reminded me more of One Piece
first, my post isn't about how you feel, it's about how I feel and I say it reminds me of one piece
so you basically you quoted my opinion to tell my it's wrong?

second, people have told you this before but it bare repeating since you keep doing it anyway, everyone and their grandmothers can see what you're doing, you quote every single post to try to control the narrative, you're not fooling anyone and it's really annoying
 

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In the sense, what makes you think that the others do not immediately have editorial interference?

However I do not see what is serious, all mangaka at the beginning are recommended by editors ....
Everyone gets editorial advice, that's literally their job.
It's just that Naruto's suggested changes are so drastic that it is hard to imagine most series went through the same amount of changes.

But yeah, my personal bias surfaced a bit too much in this discussion and I took it too far on the speculation side. That's my bad.
 

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So? what this has anything to do with Samurai 8?

Also, what was proved? that fans like to re-read chapters of their favorite series and support the release?
Not re-read. They F5'd chapters from the series by putting comments in every chapter saying they wanted to surpass SxF and become the 2nd biggest series in the app. They then tried to do the same against OP but was nearly impossible. They also went to Dragon Ball Super's comment section to say that series was trash and that their fans were dumb, etc.
 

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Not re-read. They F5'd chapters from the series by putting comments in every chapter saying they wanted to surpass SxF and become the 2nd biggest series in the app. They then tried to do the same against OP but was nearly impossible. They also went to Dragon Ball Super's comment section to say that series was trash and that their fans were dumb, etc.
Why are the fandoms for all three of the Big 3 filled with these kinds of people? >>
 

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Jujutsu has a disadvantage of if one wants to stick with the legit services you can't read chapters 17-39 and wasn't picked up until almost a year after it started while Samurai 8 is possible to be read in its entirety and has been from that start.
The only disadvantage in fact is that Jujutsu's popularity in the West is low, really low. Either that or fans just read the series in the Viz app with a huge margin. Jujutsu numbers are one of the lowest in the whole app, being them behind series like Yozakura Family or ZIPMAN!!
 

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Why are the fandoms for all three of the Big 3 filled with these kinds of people? >>
Because any series that gets big enough is going to get their share of bandwagon fans that want it to be the biggest and turn it into a dick measuring contest. Plain and simple.
 

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Well, now it's not only Yozakura but 2.5D.
The difference is that I doubt Yozakura could've actually sold out, seeing as its Amazon rankings were consistently pretty piddling for all the time I followed them. 2.5D, on the other hand, was shockingly high, never leaving the Top 3000 in all the time it was up. So I believe there was more than likely a demand overflow.
 

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The difference is that I doubt Yozakura could've actually sold out, seeing as its Amazon rankings were consistently pretty piddling for all the time I followed them. 2.5D, on the other hand, was shockingly high, never leaving the Top 3000 in all the time it was up. So I believe there was more than likely a demand overflow.
This all comes to knowing the print of the series or not, and since we don't, I would wait before saying I think or I don't think. 2.5D started with a really low print number and needed some reprints right away with its first volume. Second one has managed to create backlog and it's selling a bit better, so it really has potential to grow and it is indeed possible pre orders were high enough to create this situation. We can't really discuss anything about Yozakura since it will all be based in whether we like the series or not to defend or attack hypothetically the fact that it has been for 1 week and 6 days with the Out of Stock sign.
 

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MASHLE chapter was quite interesting, even if I don't know if it will be a fighting manga or more like an action comedy. Anyway I liked the humor in it so I'm looking forward to it.

The second chapter of UxU was good, seems like we are putting the harassing a little to the side so that's great imo. It is starting to build a story too so I will continue it for now.

Can't help it, but Aggravity Boys is really cool. After the first chapter I was like "that is the worst thing", but I'm forced to admit that now I am really enjoying it, the jokes are great and the characters are easy to love imo.
 

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Mashle : felt amateurish to me, i will wait to see new characters next chapter.
Undead : i follow this cuz i'm a premise bitch person.
Zipman : too uninteresting, the "cool" panel felt so empty.

I don't see all 3 of mitama, agravity, and mashle survive since they're gunning for the same genre demography. Does yozakura also included in this? It will be interesting to predict who will prevail. or we will get the sad surprise of all axed

Current enjoyment: Mitama > Agravity > Undead > Mashle > Yozakura >>>>>> Zipman = Samurai8
 

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Not re-read. They F5'd chapters from the series by putting comments in every chapter saying they wanted to surpass SxF and become the 2nd biggest series in the app. They then tried to do the same against OP but was nearly impossible. They also went to Dragon Ball Super's comment section to say that series was trash and that their fans were dumb, etc.
Going back as to why do I state this, I recently made a comparison between monthly views that Boruto chapters got so it could be reflected how much this situation lasted and how did it affect the amount of views:
Chapter 36 (July 19th to August 20th) -> 267.820 views
Chapter 37 (August 20th to September 20th) -> 423.801 views
Chapter 38 (September 20th to October 20th) -> 783.087 views
Chapter 39 (October 20th to November 20th) -> 535.645 views
Chapter 40 (November 20th to December 20th) -> 471.707 views
Chapter 41 (December 20th to January 20th) -> 414.353 views (1 week left)
Those 783.087 views appear because on the previous week before Chapter 39 release, Boruto got 334.868 views out of this spam situation. After that, Chapter 39 was released and it got 343.211 on its first week. Yeah, it's definitely not re-read. Anyway, this is enough discussion of views, I only answered because I just woke up and saw all this mess.
 

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I read Mashle just now.

It's okay. I don't hate it, but I also didn't really love it either. There's something about the art that just seems very webtoon-ish to me.
 
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