Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Axiomus]

He definitely is, he was perfectly fine, by your logic he is since he willingly turned back Into a tangible form. We did not even see any injuries or clothes torn when the spell was cased, also magic is based on concentration, so Juvia would lose concentration when Chelia made her comment about Juvia and Lyon. that would not stop him from touching her with his hands which would still be cold as ice, even then Mind fuckery for Juvia as well from Invel’s spell. Gajeel caught Bloodman off guard before that with metal spikes piercing all over his body and he was fine with intangibility. Which is always For magic spells, again, Proving Skullion is a moron when his body was completely ash

How is Skullion different from literally every other character who has intangibility? Like I just pointed out, pretty much every character who has intangibility has been tagged because they were caught off guard. It's not a perfect defense. Against Gray, Skullion didn't feel the need to turn intangible in the first place. He just turned all of Gray's attacks into ash. Against Natsu, he was already making half his body intangible the entire time. He was still intangible after Wendy scattered his ashes. He just didn't make his face intangible, so he got punched in the face.

Chelia was hitting Juvia when both were using magic. Juvia was injured to the point where she was on her knees, and it was all Chelia. Lyon never attacked Juvia. You can argue Lyon was about to attack Juvia when he said "I'm sorry Juvia", but that attack never actually happened.

Gajeel doesn't have the ability to force Bloodman to become tangible. Bloodman chose to become tangible when he went to grab Gajeel by the throat, and then Gajeel grabbed him back and headbutted him.

Chela can also heal herself as well

Sure.

 

[Ratrace]

How is Skullion different from literally every other character who has intangibility? Like I just pointed out, pretty much every character who has intangibility has been tagged because they were caught off guard. It's not a perfect defense. Against Gray, Skullion didn't feel the need to turn intangible in the first place. He just turned all of Gray's attacks into ash. Against Natsu, he was already making half his body intangible the entire time. He was still intangible after Wendy scattered his ashes. He just didn't make his face intangible, so he got punched in the face.

Chelia was hitting Juvia when both were using magic. Juvia was injured to the point where she was on her knees, and it was all Chelia. Lyon never attacked Juvia. You can argue Lyon was about to attack Juvia when he said "I'm sorry Juvia", but that attack never actually happened.

Gajeel doesn't have the ability to force Bloodman to become tangible. Bloodman chose to become tangible when he went to grab Gajeel by the throat, and then Gajeel grabbed him back and headbutted him.



Sure.

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[WoWfan]

and when tagged they are either countered, their concentration is disrupted for their magic to use or do not have intangibility at all, irrelevant. Whether that is the case of not, Ice can still freeze ash, his ash is hax base to get rid of ice, so that is not important. No, he turned his entire body into ash, Natsu called it unfair, then Wendy used her magic, his form materialized, Wendy told Nastu to attack and it worked because his intangibility is canceled. We only saw Chelia attacking Gray’s ice attacks, her combat for most of the time was physical cat fight Comedy. And we did not see any damaged Juvia sustained during the attack, and it cut away before we saw the results, next time we saw they were In a cat fight. Lyon Did acknowledging this with an apology For the offense done. Gajeel does, it was not perfect yet until he ate the Anti-Ethernanos particles. You contradict yourself as you have not countered Gajeel catching Bloodman off guard and it did not work with intangibility, He could physically touch Iron so his headbutt was the only attack since then, that is luck

 

[Axiomus]

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Oh, I believe you.

and when tagged they are either countered, their concentration is disrupted for their magic to use or do not have intangibility at all,

In other words, they got caught off guard. Exactly what I've been saying the whole time.

 

[WoWfan]

No, I believe you.

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In other words, they got caught off guard. Exactly what I've been saying the whole time.

Lack of Concentration =/= not active off guard awareness, as so many instances supports that intangibility works via off guard

 

[Ratrace]

Oh, I believe you.



In other words, they got caught off guard. Exactly what I've been saying the whole time.

Okay

 

[Axiomus]

Lack of Concentration =/= not active off guard, as so many instances supports

You can't be on guard if you lack focus.

Anyways, at no point did Wendy ever negate his ability to turn his body into ash. Simply did not happen. and this is not debatable. We literally see half Skullion's body as ash when Natsu went to punched him in the face, and this was after Wendy scattered his ashes. Natsu was saying unfair to the fact that Skullion could turn his flames to ashes.

Chelia hit Juvia with her winds. Mavis and the rest of the guild doesn't even think Juvia can solo Chelia.

Spoiler

Gajeel does not have the ability to turn Bloodman tangible to regular attacks. Eating the anti-magic particles didn't give him that ability either. It just made his own body similar to that of Bloodman's which allowed his body to touch Bloodman. The only reason Bloodman got headbutted was because he chose to become tangible to grab Gajeel by the neck, and was caught off guard when Gajeel grabbed him back.

 

[WoWfan]

You can be caught off guard from lack of awareness, not concentration which is for magic. Yes he did, that is how the situation went, his body became ash, Wendy negated that, allowing for Natsu to hit him.

Your image is broken, but when she was hit there was no injuries shown even inside. All Slayers can make their respective elements tangible throughout the series, this is no different for Gajeel as there is iron, minuscule or no, he was lucky because it was there. Eating Anti-Magic Particle makes him much more powerful especially how his attack did not down him the first time. And again, Bloodman was caught off guard, your logic means he did not have intangibility, yet proven wrong when he did have intangibility

 

[Jko]

Skullion literally says one of the reasons they left was because they were outnumbered. Stop ignoring the manga in order to boost up Mira and Elfman.

Skullion literally calls the fight a stalemate and states they are leaving after he could not come to a conclusive battle with Mira and Elf. If being outnumbered was the reason to leave the fight then he would have dipped after Wraith and Kiria were dropped which was 5 chapters prior to when he wanted to leave. He only left because the battle bcs he did not know if he could've won and they left Draseal bcs they were outnumbered by powerful FT mages which is why they called the big guns of their guild.

 

[Axiomus]

You can be caught off guard from lack of awareness, not concentration which is for magic. Yes he did, that is how the situation went, his body became ash, Wendy negated that, allowing for Natsu to hit him.

Your image is broken, but when she was hit there was no injuries shown even inside. All Slayers can make their respective elements tangible throughout the series, this is no different for Gajeel as there is iron, minuscule or no, he was lucky because it was there. Eating Anti-Magic Particle makes him much more powerful especially how his attack did not down him the first time.

Are you reallly going to argue that there's a meaningful difference between lack of awareness and lack of concentration? For the last time....Skullion still had the ability to turn into ash even after Wendy scattered his ashes. Wendy didn't negate squat.

Bro. Gajeel doesn't have to make bloodman's iron particles tangible. They are already solid particles, and anybody can touch them. They're just particles of iron. What Gajeel cannot do is force the rest of Bloodman's anti-magic particles to become tangible. That's not one of his abilities, and never has been. I can't believe we're even arguing about this. Eating anti magic particles changed the properties of Gajeel's body to match that of Bloodman's particles, which allowed Gajeel to touch him.

Skullion literally calls the fight a stalemate and states they are leaving after he could not come to a conclusive battle with Mira and Elf. If being outnumbered was the reason to leave the fight then he would have dipped after Wraith and Kiria were dropped which was 5 chapters prior to when he wanted to leave. He only left because the battle bcs he did not know if he could've won and they left Draseal bcs they were outnumbered by powerful FT mages which is why they called the big guns of their guild.

No he doesn't. He never says the word stalemate, and he never says they are leaving because they cannot come to a conclusive battle. The most likely reason Skullion ran away was because Mirajane and Elfman weren't about to go down easily, and he didn't want to stick around and have to fight whoever took down Wraith and Kyria on top of Mirajane and Elfman. Which coincidentally, happens to be Natsu and Laxus.

Okay

Yeah, I'm not sure what your point is. I already know that Chelia can heal, and it's not like I don't believe you when you say that she can.

 

[Jko]

Are you reallly going to argue that there's a meaningful difference between lack of awareness and lack of concentration? For the last time....Skullion still had the ability to turn into ash even after Wendy scattered his ashes. Wendy didn't negate squat.

Bro. Gajeel doesn't have to make bloodman's iron particles tangible. They are already solid particles, and anybody can touch them. They're just particles of iron. What Gajeel cannot do is force the rest of Bloodman's anti-magic particles to become tangible. That's not one of his abilities, and never has been. I can't believe we're even arguing about this. Eating anti magic particles changed the properties of Gajeel's body to match that of Bloodman's particles, which allowed Gajeel to touch him.



No he doesn't. He never says the word stalemate, and he never says they are leaving because they cannot come to a conclusive battle. The most likely reason Skullion ran away was because Mirajane and Elfman weren't about to go down easily, and he didn't want to stick around and have to fight whoever took down Wraith and Kyria on top of Mirajane and Elfman. Which coincidentally, happens to be Natsu and Laxus.

He says the same thing as Mira which in layman's terms means stalemate.

Spoiler

They were at a deadlock which is why he left. If he knows Kiria was taken down then he would have known the one who took her out was down as well. He even stops Kiria from feasting on said dude lol. Like I said, if it was about numbers then he would have dipped as soon as Wraith and Kiria were dropped but instead he stuck around for five more chapters and left after his battle came to a deadlock.

 

[WoWfan]

That comment contradicts what you say because Skullion was totally ash and the fact you claim he turned back makes him a moron.

And since he touched those particles he made Bloodman tangible. And since then he could not touch those particles until his power up and becoming stronger and totally hitting him without trouble

 

[Axiomus]

That comment contradicts what you say because Skullion was totally ash and the fact you claim he turned back makes him a moron.

And since he touched those particles he made Bloodman tangible. And since then he could not touch those particles until his power up and becoming stronger and totally hitting him without trouble

He didn't turn back. He simply turned half his body into ash so that he could fly, then Wendy scattered his sand, and then Natsu punched him. At no point did he lose the ability to turn into ash. There's no contradiction here. Wendy never negated Skullion's ability to turn into ash, and he was turning into ash when Natsu punched him. Skullion got punched in the face because he couldn't turn his head into ash fast enough, and that's all there is to it.

Like I said, only a tiny fraction of Bloodman's particles are iron. Those are the only particles that Gajeel could touch, and they are spread throughout Bloodman's anti-magic particles. The vast majority of Bloodman's composition is made out of anti-magic particles, which Gajeel cannot touch. The only reason Gajeel managed to hit Bloodman was because Bloodman made the choice to become tangible to grab Gajeel by the neck, and was caught off guard when Gajeel grabbed him back. Eating Bloodman's particles just made it so that Gajeel's body gained the same properties as Bloodman's curse power, and this allowed Gajeel to touch Bloodman's anti-magic particles.

 

[WoWfan]

No he turned all his body into ash as evident of the lack of body when Natsu said no fair, that is plan obvious. So either A. Wendy negated his intangibility, or B. Skullion is an ideology for turning back to normal. That is utter BS. And those particles are enough to make Bloodman tangible for Gajeel for that one moment. There was no choice involved since your nonsense about being aware to intangibility has been debunked

 

[Axiomus]

No he turned all his body into ash as evident of the lack of body when Natsu said no fair, that is plan obvious. So either A. Wendy negated his intangibility, or B. Skullion is an ideology for turning back to normal. That is utter BS. And those particles are enough to make Bloodman tangible for Gajeel for that one moment. There was no choice involved since your nonsense about being aware to intangibility has been debunked

Natsu was saying no fair to the fact that Skullion just turned his flames into ash. That's just Skullion taking off into the skies. Again, Skullion was still turning into ash after Wendy's attack and when Natsu punched him. So we see with our very own eyes that Wendy didn't negate his ability to turn into sand.

No, the only particles that Gajeel can touch are the tiny amounts of iron. And it's not because he's a slayer. It's because they're particles of iron, and literally anybody can touch particles of iron. A baby can touch particles of iron. The vast majority of Bloodman's particles are still anti-magic particles. Gajeel doesn't have the ability to turn objects that are not iron into solid objects, and the vast majority of Bloodman's particles are not iron. You know what else has iron? Human blood. Saying that Gajeel can harden Bloodman's anti-magic particles just because there's some iron mixed in with it is exactly like saying Gajeel can harden someone's blood. It's a nonsensical ability that Gajeel was never stated to have.

 

[WoWfan]

no he said no fair for the fact he turned his body into ashes, that he cannot hit him, that is a known fact, Wendy used her magic to negate his intangibility For Natsu to hit him. His upper body was turning into ash before Wendy used her magic, look again. Which is still enough to interact with Bloodman because he has iron in him, and that makes sense too as even humans have iron inside them too, no it makes sense because we literally see DS make éléments tangible to their touch, even chew on them like physical objects too.

 

[Axiomus]

no he said no fair for the fact he turned his body into ashes, that he cannot hit him, that is a known fact, Wendy used her magic to negate his intangibility For Natsu to hit him. His upper body was turning into ash before Wendy used her magic, look again. Which is still enough to interact with Bloodman because he has iron in him, and that makes sense too as even humans have iron inside them too, no it makes sense because we literally see DS make éléments tangible to their touch, even chew on them like physical objects too.

Wendy's attack simply scattered Skullion's ash. There's nothing to even remotely imply that she prevented Skullion from turning into ash, because again he was still turning into ash after her attack.

No it's not. You do realize you don't have to be an iron dragon slayer to touch iron right? If you're saying Gajeel can touch Bloodman because he is touching particles of iron, that would mean anyone could hit him. Gajeel does not have the ability to harden people's blood. Stop.

 

[WoWfan]

Wether it’s scattering or not, it negates his intangibility, it does when his entire body turned into ash and she returned him to Normal. It does especially when Dragon Slayers make tangible their respec elements, non-Iron Slayers cannot touch him, period. DS can harden their elements when they want, especially when they eat.

 

[Axiomus]

Wether it’s scattering or not, it negates his intangibility, it does when his entire body turned into ash and she returned him to Normal. It does especially when Dragon Slayers make tangible their respec elements, non-Iron Slayers cannot touch him, period. DS can harden their elements when they want, especially when they eat.

No it doesn't. Scattering Skullion's ash doesn't logically explain why he can't turn himself into ash, and Skullion was still turning himself into ash even after Wendy's spell.

Come to think of it, it's not like Mirajane actually has a counter to Skullion's ash. Her punches weren't landing and her explosions didn't land either. So she must have hit him when he wasn't turning intangible too. How else do you propose Mirajane damaged Skullion if she didn't catch him off guard?

In fact, none of this actually matters. Natsu and Wendy still did better than Mirajane and Elfman. Natsu did more damage to Madmole than Elfman and Mirajane combined, and Skullion never landed so much as a hit on them. Skullion didn't call for a retreat because they was evenly matched against Natsu and Wendy. He called for a retreat because they were straight up losing.

 

[WoWfan]

despite my issue with the wording, it doesn’t change that she negated his intangibility that turned his entire body from ash back. No he was already ash when she used the spell. I am certain that Elfman can counter his ash body with his one of his beast forms, caught off guard is debunked. Mira is still stronger than Gray as of right now