Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Jko]

Someone was saying she was knocked out which she wasn’t

I know. I was saying they mean different things to them bcs by definition they are wrong as she was never oneshotted nor KOed.

 

[Axiomus]

Nobody is saying that Irene got knocked out. They're saying Irene was knocked out of her dragon form. To be precise, Erza did so much damage to Irene that Irene could no longer sustain her dragon form. This is the same as how Seilah damaged Mirajane so much she could no longer sustain her takeovers. It's incredibly frustrating to see @grey matter explain this over and over again.

I don't believe for a second that Irene purposely chose to revert back to her human form, and even if she did it was probably to save her own neck (literally) because Erza gave her a nasty cut. Irene was clearly exhausted and injured badly from that attack. It was to the point where Erza's next headbutt could make her cough up blood. This also shows how Irene's dragon form is different from her human form. She can be injured in her human form by attacks that wouldn't damage her in her dragon form. Irene also has more physical strength in her dragon form, and being a dragon gives her the wisdom to cast better enchant magic.

Spoiler

Even if you make the argument that POF made Erza several times stronger than normal, POF Erza is still inferior to POF Natsu. Natsu with Ignia's flames is equal, if not downright superior, to POF Natsu. Ignia's flames are just as hot as Natsu's savage flames of emotion. On top of that, Ignia's flames dragonized Natsu to the point where his physical strength exceeded that of Mercphobia's.

In the end, there is still no argument for why a God Dragon like Ignia wouldn't oneshot Irene. Ignia doesn't even have to personally fight Irene to beat her. He could just feed Natsu with enough power to do it for him. He could let Mercphobia try to put out his flames before Natsu eats them too. Natsu didn't just beat Mercphobia btw. He wiped out Mercphobia's magic for the foreseeable future and turn him to a regular human. He could have kept going too if Lucy didn't stop him.

 

[WoWfan]

Anyway does not change that Irene is strong enough that it impressed Acno

 

[GL_Nova]

I was talking about when Ignia was calling him mindless lol.

Irene can't be knocked out of her real form. The human body is the transformation not the Dragon body.

She is comparable to a half power DG who got his ass kicked by Natsu consuming a fodder attack from the Flame DG lol. Merc was not God tier status at half power. He wouldn't gotten stomped by Ignia amped Natsu otherwise unless you think Ignia amped Natsu who only got a small portion of a God tier magic is somehow God tier himself?

So she got slapt so hard she transformed? I mean she either got slapt so hard she lost her transformation, or slapt so hard she was forced to transform. Either way the transformative properties of the slap still exists.

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Predictions for the strength for the DEs GM? I say he is around Gildarts level.

I would argue he needs to be stronger than August. If their the power on this continent they need to be strong enough to have deterred Alvarez. (Unless Zeref was scared of the dragons). Either was he’s got to perform and do a massive battle for 1 person (Laxus or Jellal or Gildarts or such) or take on the majority of the guild. Personally want him to fight Laxus because I want him to be Master ready by the end of this. An he needs a moment comparable to Makarov vs Jose to prove he can be where the buck stops.

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Oh god please don't bring back the bs scaling argument

I’m confused. Are you under the impression their weaker than country?

 

[Jko]

So she got slapt so hard she transformed? I mean she either got slapt so hard she lost her transformation, or slapt so hard she was forced to transform. Either way the transformative properties of the slap still exists.

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I would argue he needs to be stronger than August. If their the power on this continent they need to be strong enough to have deterred Alvarez. (Unless Zeref was scared of the dragons). Either was he’s got to perform and do a massive battle for 1 person (Laxus or Jellal or Gildarts or such) or take on the majority of the guild. Personally want him to fight Laxus because I want him to be Master ready by the end of this. An he needs a moment comparable to Makarov vs Jose to prove he can be where the buck stops.

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I’m confused. Are you under the impression their weaker than country?

She consciously transformed which means she wasn't slapped out of anything.

 

[Ramen]

I would argue he needs to be stronger than August. If their the power on this continent they need to be strong enough to have deterred Alvarez. (Unless Zeref was scared of the dragons). Either was he’s got to perform and do a massive battle for 1 person (Laxus or Jellal or Gildarts or such) or take on the majority of the guild. Personally want him to fight Laxus because I want him to be Master ready by the end of this. An he needs a moment comparable to Makarov vs Jose to prove he can be where the buck stops.

Being stronger than August would be a giant claim. To be stronger than August would be able to low diff any of the mages you mentioned. I don't see that happening.

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I’m confused. Are you under the impression their weaker than country?

They aren't country level.

 

[WoWfan]

If you are referring to Spriggans, they are, DE are just weaker than that

 

[Laxus chan-yo]

Mid-Diff Max.

Ik my guy @Laxus chan-yo thinks Laxus>Irene. What about Merc? You think RL can do damage to the weakest DG?

Nah bro Dragon Gods are on another level. Glass canon Irene got oneshotted out of her Dragon form by half dead Erza. Laxus would tame her.

Laxus cannot beat Merc

Spoiler

Until he unlocks Dragon Force

 

[WoWfan]

Oneshot is not right term to use, Acno acknowledged her Strength, even Erza could not beat Irene without help

 

[Axiomus]

Acnologia said that Irene's magic power was impressive for someone taught by Zeref. She's still nowhere near his level and would get oneshotted by any of the God Dragons, or Acnologia himself if he was in his dragon form.

 

[GL_Nova]

She consciously transformed which means she wasn't slapped out of anything.

Show me where she consciously transformed?

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Being stronger than August would be a giant claim. To be stronger than August would be able to low diff any of the mages you mentioned. I don't see that happening.

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They aren't country level.

1) At one point being stronger than Hades was a massive claim. Hiro likes to up his ante. People are making to big a deal of Irene using all of her remaining magic to Nuke the weakest DE we’ve met. It’s ridiculous.

2) There are 3 unarguably country tier feats done in Alvarez. An none of them were done by god tier characters. Just top tier

 

[grey matter]

Acnologia said that Irene's magic power was impressive for someone taught by Zeref. She's still nowhere near his level and would get oneshotted by any of the God Dragons, or Acnologia himself if he was in his dragon form.

Human Acno as well can one shot, from what we saw when he one shotted Serena. With even August not being able to react

IMHO, human Acno is far more deadly than Dragon Acno, with him able to do pin pointed attacks, can blitz short distance better etc.
Dragon Acno is much stronger though

 

[Ramen]

At one point being stronger than Hades was a massive claim. Hiro likes to up his ante. People are making to big a deal of Irene using all of her remaining magic to Nuke the weakest DE we’ve met. It’s ridiculous.

Big difference between Hades and August

 

[WoWfan]

Serena is not on Irene’s level though, still he would take her seriously as he would bother to talk to her

 

[Axiomus]

Human Acno as well can one shot, from what we saw when he one shotted Serena. With even August not being able to react

IMHO, human Acno is far more deadly than Dragon Acno, with him able to do pin pointed attacks, can blitz short distance better etc.
Dragon Acno is much stronger though

Honestly? He probably can. With how much damage Wendy's claw inflicted on Irene, I have little doubt that Acnologia would be able to rip her apart. His ability to move at speed August cannot perceive, and Erza and Wendy's ability to land shots on Irene, also means that he simply wasn't trying that hard against Irene when they exchanged. Nevertheless, I'm giving Irene the benefit of the doubt here. She was able to dodge one of Acnologia's blasts, so I won't argue that hard that his human form can oneshot her.

To an extent, yes. His human form tends to be more precise than his dragon form. He can be precise in his dragon form too though, as when he ripped off half of Gildart's limbs. I think a lot of this boils down to the fact that when he's in his dragon form, he tends to be fighting a group of humans. He never really singles a person out and just blasts away at the general area randomly.

 

[sharkai]

Lol are people talking about Irene vs Merc
Irene is pretty strong, stronger than all characters not having zeref or aconologia tier hype. Merc can most likely handle her easily. But let's see what Irene role will be in this 100 year quest.
Irene natural form is a dragon. She is high enchantress yet coulnt convert herself back into human form in hundreds of years. Only requiring injury to convert to human form is just wrong

Pof is the strongest power in fairy tail. haven't figured this out by now, seriously?

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Is there an argument for why Natsu WITHOUT any buffs couldn't one shot dragon Eileen, when Erza with broken bones could do it once she got DS magic?

Seriously man
Mishma goes out of his way to show how awesome Fairy tail is and all you see is the villians are super weak. At least try to feel what mishma is trying to make you feel

 

[grey matter]

Honestly? He probably can. With how much damage Wendy's claw inflicted on Irene, I have little doubt that Acnologia would be able to rip her apart. His ability to move at speed August cannot perceive, and Erza and Wendy's ability to land shots on Irene, also means that he simply wasn't trying that hard against Irene when they exchanged. Nevertheless, I'm giving Irene the benefit of the doubt here. She was able to dodge one of Acnologia's blasts, so I won't argue that hard that his human form can oneshot her.

To an extent, yes. His human form tends to be more precise than his dragon form. He can be precise in his dragon form too though, as when he ripped off half of Gildart's limbs. I think a lot of this boils down to the fact that when he's in his dragon form, he tends to be fighting a group of humans. He never really singles a person out and just blasts away at the general area randomly.

Yeah, Acnologia didn't have killing intent against Eileen, since he didn't realize she's a dragon slayer (for plot reasons or because Hiro made up Eileen's story after this encounter).
Eileen dodging Acnologia's blast doesn't mean much, because she was barely keeping up with Erza in physical combat. And Erza + Wendy before. While August, who couldn't even react to Acno, was toying with Gildarts (who's certainly fairly above Erza) in physical combat. Physical attack blitz tend to be some of the fastest attack in the series as well.
And Jellal dodged a continuous roar of Acnologia, that split apart the ocean; and was constantly buying time by distracting and evading Dragon Acno. Needless to say, Acno jobs if he's not serious.


Yeah true, I forgot about. And like with Serena, he was attacked at similar position and it ended before he knew what happened.
I think it's boils down to just plot tbh lol. Why did he take Gildarts more seriously than Wendy, when Gildarts isn't even a DS while Wendy is? Why didn't he do the same to Jellal, who was constantly being a nuisance (he singled him out enough to roar continuously at him, but didn't blitz...why)? Acno uses his power when plot demands it, and jobs when the plot demands it.

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Seriously man
Mishma goes out of his way to show how awesome Fairy tail is and all you see is the villians are super weak. At least try to feel what mishma is trying to make you feel

LMAO.
All I feel is disgust at Alverez arc

 

[sharkai]

I mean I do think Erza is stronger than Natsu without Dragon Force, but I also think that DF Natsu probably would have blasted a hole in Irene.

Dragon Irene would break even df natsu

I still have hard time swallowing how df can be stronger than an actual dragon
Shouldn't it be
Base dragon Slayer << dragon force dragon Slayer << dragon of that dragon slayer

 

[Jko]

Show me where she consciously transformed?

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1) At one point being stronger than Hades was a massive claim. Hiro likes to up his ante. People are making to big a deal of Irene using all of her remaining magic to Nuke the weakest DE we’ve met. It’s ridiculous.

2) There are 3 unarguably country tier feats done in Alvarez. An none of them were done by god tier characters. Just top tier

Bcs she would have to consciously do it in order to go into a transformation. Show me anyone passively transforming into something that is not their natural state?

 

[grey matter]

Dragon Irene would break even df natsu

I still have hard time swallowing how df can be stronger than an actual dragon
Shouldn't it be
Base dragon Slayer << dragon force dragon Slayer << dragon of that dragon slayer

Nah. Dragon Eileen was knocked out of dragon form by a single attack from broken bones Erza.

Maybe it's because slayer magic gives a boost to damage output?
In pure power, I agree.