One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Shasha23]

In which of those stats is Mihawk better than Shanks?

Every stat since he is the Worlds Strongest Swordsman

 

[Pirate Queen]

That's not how it works, at all

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

I think that's actually Conqueror's Haki. A few times when Luffy was clashing against another Conqueror (i.e. Chinjao), they could tell it was Conqueror's Haki, most likely because of this sort of shockwave...

Nope it's not CoC, CoC only creates shockwave when 2 users of it clash (somewhat evenly) or release overwhelming amount of it at the same time (a la Luffy vs Katakuri).
And Akainu is certainly not having CoC.

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Every stat since he is the Worlds Strongest Swordsman

Don't be a troll bud.

Hope Liverpool's knockout out of the CL isn't making you salty.

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How long did he endure it? For the duration of the entire sentence that Luffy mustered?

He didn't need to. Smiling in the face of pain/death is no small feat. Ask the true Ds lol.
Perospero also lost a limb but you'll definitely not see a panel of him smiling afterwards - and in his case his DF ability helped him mitigate the blood loss and overall effect. That was enough in solidifying Peros as been strong and persistent.

Confirmed yes but any hype around it? Higher hype than a guy with a nickname Hawkeye(Clairvoyant)? None.

The hawk eye nickname has nothing to do with his Haki as far as we know.
Did you not notice the colour of Mihawk's eyes? The most unique in the whole OnePieceverse of course his nickname is a surprisingly related to his CoO.
I bet his boots also hype him up as an ex-military legend

Shanks hair must be renowned for its blood loss since he's nicknamed "Red hair".

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Didnt he fight the same guy who became Yonko?

Mihawk never fought Shanks (who obviously became more powerful) as a Yonko cos the timeline shows that Shanks became Yonko just 6 years from now when Luffy was 13.
Meanwhile, Shanks was still below Yonko level when he initially lost his arm several years before that while Luffy was still 7.

 

[M3J]

Every stat since he is the Worlds Strongest Swordsman

... The title literally says Swordsman, which does not answer my question. It does reveal you have no good argument though, when you have to resort to "omg fanboying" and not having proof behind your answer.

 

[Pirate Queen]

What's interesting about these "World's Strongest" title is that the first 2 have brought about much debate.

1. Whitebeard is called the World's Strongest Man, but we later learned he had that title when Roger was alive and WB, Garp, and Roger were considered to be equals. And then we find out Kaido is was most likely stronger than aged WB. And THEN we have Akainu basically matching WB in a title contested fight. Many variables play a factor

2. Kaido is called the "World's Strongest Creature" but Does than mean he's stronger than WB? WB was considered a MONSTER himself which is a type of creature. And then you wonder how Oden easily cut him if his title coincided with his apparent immortality. Etc.

3. But when it comes to Mihawk "The World's Srrongest Swordsman" his fans think it absolutely not be question, when in fact these titles bring about nothing BUT questions. Does that title pertain to only non-DF users? If someone defeats Mihawk with a DF but has a sword at their hip, does that mean they don't get the title? Or do they? Is the title purely skill based? Etc...

I think until we see both Mihawk and Shanks go all out, we can't decide who Is stronger but the margin can't be more than tiny, in either direction.

 

[XXGenesis]

Shanks was already a Yonkou when he lost his arm. & recieved his scar from BB in the East Blue.

Too Mihawk's credit. I believe he's low Yonkou lv. I wonder how he would fair against the OG Admirals..My guess, they would win.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Shanks was already a Yonkou when he lost his arm. & recieved his scar from BB in the East Blue.

Too Mihawk's credit. I believe he's low Yonkou lv. I wonder how he would fair against the OG Admirals..My guess, they would win.

That's not right. Shanks lost his arm and then went on to become a Yonko a few years later. We don't know when BB scarred him.

This is as of the latest info recieved

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Shanks became a Yonko 6 years ago... Lost his arm 10 years ago.

So BB had to have scarred him before he became a Yonko.

 

[XXGenesis]

That's not right. Shanks lost his arm and then went on to become a Yonko a few years later. We don't know when BB scarred him.

This is as of the latest info recieved

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Shanks became a Yonko 6 years ago... Lost his arm 10 years ago.

So BB had to have scarred him before he became a Yonko.

Where'd you detail timeline

 

[Pirate Queen]

Where'd you detail timeline

The chapter that revealed It... it's called "ULTIMATE"

Shanks is the youngest Yonko, having claimed the title 6 years ago from current timeline. Luffy was with him 12 - 13 years ago where Shanks lost his arm.... He already had the scar so BB didnt hurt him when he was a Yonko, but before that.

Which is why people are saying Mihawk never fought Shanks at his strongest. Mihawk stopped fighting Shanks 12-13 years ago when Shanks lost his arm. So Shanks grew in power after losing his arm to be strong enough to become a Yonko several years AFTER his and Mihawk's last duel.

Mihawk never fought Yonko Shanks.

 

[XXGenesis]

Ability & skill Mihawk is the best swordsman. In overall power & strength vague terms that include a lot of other aspects especially One Piece. There are many stronger than him..such as the Yonkou...

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

Shanks was already a Yonkou when he lost his arm. & recieved his scar from BB in the East Blue.

Too Mihawk's credit. I believe he's low Yonkou lv. I wonder how he would fair against the OG Admirals..My guess, they would win.

What Manga do you people read?

Go back to chapter 1 (Romance Dawn) were Luffy was still 7 and Shanks having 2 hands with a scary scar on his face.
It took a minimum of 5 years for Shanks to reach Yonko level since Romance Dawn.

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Too Mihawk's credit. I believe he's low Yonkou lv. I wonder how he would fair against the OG Admirals..My guess, they would win.

I agree with you on this. I believe Mihawk should be more or less at Oden's level or slightly better. Somewhat close to a Yonko's level.

If an old Rayleigh (Admiral level more or less) is able to match/outperform Kizaru, Mihawk should be capable of similar feats.

 

[M3J]

I wouldn't be surprised if Mihawk was indeed Yonkou level, truth be told.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

Shanks is the newest Yonko, having claimed the title 6 years ago from current timeline. Luffy was with him 10 years ago where Shanks lost his arm.... He already had the scar so BB didnt hurt him when he was a Yonko, but before that.

Not quite. Blackbeard is latest/newest Yonko in town.

Don't forget to include the 2 year skip when talking about current timeline. Luffy was 7 year old in Romance Dawn when Shanks lost his arm.
Current timeline Luffy is 19 (almost 20). Shanks became Yonko 6 years before the current timeline were Luffy would've been 13 years.
13-7 = 6 years. This is how long it took for Shanks to reach Yonko level since Romance Dawn. No small feat especially coming from a man with one hand.

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I wouldn't be surprised if Mihawk was indeed Yonkou level, truth be told.

He can't be. He's yet to split the skies and heavens

 

[Pirate Queen]

Not quite. Blackbeard is latest/newest Yonko in town.

Don't forget to include the 2 year skip when talking about current timeline. Luffy was 7 year old in Romance Dawn when Shanks lost his arm.
Current timeline Luffy is 19 (almost 20). Shanks became Yonko 6 years before the current timeline were Luffy would've been 13 years.
13-7 = 6 years. This is how long it took for Shanks to reach Yonko level since Romance Dawn. No small feat especially coming from a man with one hand.

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He can't be. He's yet to split the skies and heavens

Oof, yeah your right. Forgot the timeskip.

Thanks

 

[M3J]

He can't be. He's yet to split the skies and heavens

He beat the demon himself in two or three moves, and he cut ice. Better than splitting the skies and heavens

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

He beat the demon himself in two or three moves, and he cut ice. Better than splitting the skies and heavens

Nonsense!
No one other than Yonkos have been able to split the skies in a clash.

Anyone can split ice, mountains and glaciers individually but it takes a clash between Yonkos to split the heavens.
That's a One Piece fact!

 

[M3J]

Nonsense!
No one other than Yonkos have been able to split the skies in a clash.

Anyone can split ice, mountains and glaciers individually but it takes a clash between Yonkos to split the heavens.
That's a One Piece fact!

Mihawk has never gone up against his equal in front of us! But he did beat a demon from Hell with THREE moves, so that's good enough.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

Mihawk has never gone up against his equal in front of us! But he did beat a demon from Hell with THREE moves, so that's good enough.

Same can be applied to Whitebeard jr but no one is claiming Yonko level for him either. He's at best as strong as the most powerful YCs. That's the best of I can do for Mihawk right now. We need actual feats to make any claim so let's sit and watch then. His showtime is nigh.

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Oof, yeah your right. Forgot the timeskip.

Thanks

You're welcome

 

[Pirate Queen]

Same can be applied to Whitebeard jr but no one is claiming Yonko level for him either. He's at best as strong as the most powerful YCs. That's the best of I can do for Mihawk right now. We need actual feats to make any claim so let's sit and watch then. His showtime is nigh.

They aren"t?

Kizaru compared him to Whitebeard in his prime... that is certainly Yonko Level

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

They aren"t?

Kizaru compared him to Whitebeard in his prime... that is certainly Yonko Level

I believe younger was what was implied not prime.
A younger Whitebeard was shown getting bothered by Oden.
Meanwhile, a prime Whitebeard was clashing evenly with Roger who one-shot Oden.