Discussion Bounties: How are they Attributed?

[Pirate Queen]

Was it ever stated that King is #1, or is that just fan assumption?

King>Queen>Jack

Like the card theme seems to be the most evidence we have.

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What gets muddled for the most part is that Oda has directly addressed that the WG doesnt exactly know how to scale subordinates of Pirate captains and usually a crews bounty rises because the bounty of their captains. For instance Sanji and Zoro could easily be worthy enough of a bounty between 500 Mil and 1 Bil but the WG doesnt have enough info on them... they are both certainly strong enough.

 

[Fox666]

What gets muddled for the most part is that Oda has directly addressed that the WG doesnt exactly know how to scale subordinates of Pirate captains and usually a crews bounty rises because the bounty of their captains. For instance Sanji and Zoro could easily be worthy enough of a bounty between 500 Mil and 1 Bil but the WG doesnt have enough info on them... they are both certainly strong enough.

I think Luffy and the Yonko commanders bounties that are oversized. I don't think they are that much stronger than Law, Kidd or Jinbe.

Zoro and Sanji are the ones the government got mostly right.

 

[Rmstorm]

I think Luffy and the Yonko commanders bounties that are oversized. I don't think they are that much stronger than Law, Kidd or Jinbe.

Zoro and Sanji are the ones the government got mostly right.

Luffy's is on another tier. Now, the commanders I agree with you.

 

[M3J]

Bounty doesn't really represent power as much as they represent danger. Kid Robin likely couldn't take on a fodder Marine, but she was still given more than 2x the bounty that Luffy was given after beating Arlong. Kidd was said to have a higher bounty solely because he caused more damage than Law and Luffy. Luffy's bounty should theoretically be higher though, given he presents an immense danger in the future with his charisma and ability to draw people to him. I guess the WG is trying to keep it low enough so he doesn't look like a major threat and cause people to lose faith in the WG and Marines.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Bounty doesn't really represent power as much as they represent danger. Kid Robin likely couldn't take on a fodder Marine, but she was still given more than 2x the bounty that Luffy was given after beating Arlong. Kidd was said to have a higher bounty solely because he caused more damage than Law and Luffy. Luffy's bounty should theoretically be higher though, given he presents an immense danger in the future with his charisma and ability to draw people to him. I guess the WG is trying to keep it low enough so he doesn't look like a major threat and cause people to lose faith in the WG and Marines.

They lied about Robin being strong enough to sink battleships when they gave her that bounty, implying she needed to be strong enough for the bounty to make sense

 

[M3J]

Yeah, but she wasn't strong enough, and they portrayed her as a dangerous individual/demon child rather than powerful.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Yeah, but she wasn't strong enough, and they portrayed her as a dangerous individual/demon child rather than powerful.

Right but if Danger>Strength, why even bring up her sinking Warships?

In that instance it seems strength with the leading cause of her getting such a high bounty at 8

 

[nik87]

The bounties of the commanders are fine, those are established characters, their bounties wont change.
Dont compare it with bounties which dont represent the current PL of the characters.
Separate dynamic bounties from the static ones.

 

[Fox666]

Yeah, but she wasn't strong enough, and they portrayed her as a dangerous individual/demon child rather than powerful.

But the government lied about her being strong enough to sink the battleships...

The bounties of the commanders are fine, those are established characters, their bounties wont change.
Dont compare it with bounties which dont represent the current PL of the characters.
Separate dynamic bounties from the static ones.

But the author himself said the commanders bounties are so high because the government has trouble scaling them correctly when they act along with their captains

 

[M3J]

Right but if Danger>Strength, why even bring up her sinking Warships?

In that instance it seems strength with the leading cause of her getting such a high bounty at 8

Likely to make it look like she's that dangerous otherwise people would wonder why a little kid has a high bounty. They can't say it's because of her trying to read Poneglyphs, can they?

 

[TommyBoy]

Bounties story wise represent the actions of a character, look at kidd first bountie. However if compare a character like ace who only had 500 million we can see that it doesn't represent power because there are loads of characters now who's bounties are higher. I think now in the story they are used to show the most important characters in a crew

 

[Fox666]

List of confirmed bounties which values were not revealed:

Roger Pirates:

• Silvers Rayleigh
• Crocus
• Kozuki Oden
• Nekomamushi
• Inuarashi

Whitebeard Pirates:

• Marco
• Jozu
• Vista

Red Hair Pirates:

• Benn Beckman
• Lucky Roux
• Yasopp

Big Mom Pirates:

• Amande

Beast Pirates:

• King

Blackbeard Pirates:

• Jesus Burgess (Formerly 20,000,000)
• Van Augur (Formerly 64,000,000)
• Laffitte (Formerly 42,200,000)
• Doc Q (Formerly 72,000,000)
• Shiryu
• Avalo Pizarro
• Catarina Devon
• Sanjuan Wolf
• Vasco Shot

Cook Pirates:

• Zeff

Rumbar Pirates:

• Yorki

Sun Pirates:

• Aladine

Shichibukai:

• Dracule Mihawk
• Crocodile (Formerly 81,000,000)

Note: It seems all of the Shichibukai will have their bounties updated, following their dismissal.

Revolutionary Army:

• Dragon
• Ivankov (At least 100,000,000)
• Inazuma (At least 100,000,000)
• Koala

Honorable mention: Douglas Bullet wanted poster is shown in the movie Stampede, but the bounty is obscured. However it appears to be a rounded value in the billions range.

 

[thedude]

They lied about Robin being strong enough to sink battleships when they gave her that bounty, implying she needed to be strong enough for the bounty to make sense

I think it was more that they needed to justify a bounty on a child without telling the world why they suppressed knowledge of the past and learning the ponelglyph language. They couldn't put a huge bounty on a child and say "she's smart, kill her or capture her for us" and keep their moral high ground. But say she's some demon child capable of destroying a battle ship and people aren't as sympathetic.

 

[McNuss]

They lied about Robin being strong enough to sink battleships when they gave her that bounty, implying she needed to be strong enough for the bounty to make sense

They lied because they needed to cover up that a rogue Vice Admiral rampaged through their Buster Call and had to be executed by a fellow Vice Admiral.

It's not like they created that event out of thin air, those ships were actually destroyed. Robin was convenient here, otherwise they would have invented any other probably more plausible story for her.

 

[XXGenesis]

They represent the Threat lv to the World Government..Navy soldiers & bounty hunters or Country can turn in these World criminals.

Going by the 4 Sea's The North is the most turbulent with higher bounty criminals than the rest.

The east blue is the most peaceful and Navy has maintained order in these seas, corruption, small time/weak pirates & crews like Arlong or Don kreig.

understand their are exceptions. Luffy, Ace & Zoro being Pirates coming from the East Blue.

Overall the North Blue is more dangerous & greater threats lie there...I.e Stronger criminals & Pirates....

Again Bounties are assigned due to crimes against the World Government & the threat of the individual against the World
Government.

THREAT- a person a thing likely to cause damage or danger.

Information is a threat because it's dangerous to the control and perception of the world government..I.e Child Robin issues 79k Bounty

100k Bounty especially to a rookie Pirate makes him one of the new criminals capable of posing a significant some what scaled danger lv & potential damage output..

Its bias to ignore Strentght because it is a determining factor..While the influence of the criminals, their network & etc also effects their bounty lv...i.e 5th Yonkou .

There are only a few Exceptions...Robin, Chopper & Usopp....3 characters with iffy bounties not truly reflecting their battle potency....

Everyone else can be scaled reasonably to tier's of presumably power or Full potential..

Persoperro in the manga himself power scales Pedro Bounties & his own..380k vs 700k...

It's obvious it isnt the only thing. But you can't mention 3 exceptions against dozen others & say power isnt needed to get a big bounty or to be a threat against the WG.

 

[M3J]

They represent the Threat lv to the World Government..Navy soldiers & bounty hunters or Country can turn in these World criminals.

This alone makes me wonder why Luffy's bounty isn't higher. He's an extremely huge threat, and he deserves a higher bounty to represent that even if his full strength doesn't match that. Unlike Robin, the Marines have a great reason for giving him such a high bounty in that he invaded Marineford and freed a pirate, even though one actual reason why they want him dead is because of his potential thanks to his Conqueror's Haki.

 

[XXGenesis]

This alone makes me wonder why Luffy's bounty isn't higher. He's an extremely huge threat, and he deserves a higher bounty to represent that even if his full strength doesn't match that. Unlike Robin, the Marines have a great reason for giving him such a high bounty in that he invaded Marineford and freed a pirate, even though one actual reason why they want him dead is because of his potential thanks to his Conqueror's Haki.

Luffy's current Bounty is fair & honest.
Before however Luffy's bounty didnt increase very much despite being involved in several incidents...asode from what Jimbei stated , that it is just hard to raise ya bounty after 300k; Here's my opinion why in Luffy's case and perception of why this is overall...

SH vs Cp9 & Eines Lobby = Direct assault on WG institution & high lv Agents. 300K bounty....Luffy proved he could defeat Lucci & thousands of Marine soldiers, plus the act itself..

Luffy vs Moriah...Is kept secret, Moriah also proved to WG he wasn't a big shot, despite them probably overestimating at.....WG isnt threatened by his lost to Luffy.

Luffy breaks in & out of Impel Down + intervenes in the Marineford War......WG cant surmise how he broke in, but his break out wasn't a solo act, but a group effort of many prisoners even lv6 prisoners..Also Luffy's efforts in the war were successful because of the support from the vets around him, Luffy himself couldn't contend with any real threat that was there.....So therefore his bounty only increased 100k..400k Luffy trains for 2 yrs..

400k Luffy PTS is a bounty reflective of Luffy's charisma, luck etc not his power...Other Pirates with 400k bounties are NW Pirates who can use haki & are stronger than this era Luffy.

Luffy 2years later with haki training sporting a 400k bounty in all actually was 500k+...SH ran through Fishman island & Punk Hazard threats with little to no issue..Duffy's gang vs Luffy & co. only alotted Luffy & Law himself another 100k increase......Joint effort to take out a strong captain of a huge crew, Doffy was strong but SH didnt accomplish the feat himself...& info of Pirate fleet isnt public knowledge..So rated on strength World Government still isnt all that worried.

WCI changed the game. News was spun to make BM look bad & Straw Hat look really good. 2 commanders down & Pirate Fleet of 5k revealed...With all the hype a New yonkou was crowned......This bounty is hyped however 2 big name pirates were defeated & bigger stronger crew is being a amasssd..That calls for 1b+

Long winded I'm sorry. But that's my perspective

 

[kkck]

Looking at bounties, its really hard to say how they are attributed but it seems fairly clear there are numbers which hold special significance. Those are obvious to most people but those numbers are:

100 million
300 million
500 million
1000 million

Early in the series 100 mil was regarded as a huge deal... However by the time of sambaody 100 mil was the threshold all the supernova broke. But in context the supernova were basically rookies. So 100 mil seems like the point at which the world government thinks a pirate has the potential to greatness.... by pirate standards. In the marine context it probably means that the world government thinks they have done some serious shit but that's potentially only the start.

300 million is what luffy got when the strawhats defeated cp9 and a number which jinbe said it was difficult to break past of. Interestingly, its the number at which both oven and daifuku are at. My read on the 300 mil number is that this is where things get sort of personal to the world government. As in, 300 mil is the number at which someone is regarded as an enemy to the world government itself rather than a mere criminal.

500 mil is not a number which has been referenced too often but it has it moments. Admittedly this one is a bit more speculative than the others (which already had a fair bit of speculation). 500 mil is perhaps the threshold for legendary pirate so to speak. Ace barely broke through this, chinjao was at this bounty level... At this bounty level perhaps its only very high level marines that can handle you. None of that commodore or rear admiral shit, this is vice admiral and admiral territory. At this point you are probably leading a powerful crew or at least a powerful force behind you. You probably can't make much of a move without the world government immediately reacting if they catch on to it as they are not likely to want you to blow up a country every time you accidentally fart.

1000 mil. Kinda just a number? At this point you broke all the thresholds and kept pilling crimes and infamy. Honestly, things so far get even weirder after 500 mil. Kaido's top 3 are at 1000 mil, 1300 mil and wherever king is at. Big mom's top 3 in turn are at 1080~mil, 930 mil iirc and 800~ mil. There is nearly a 400 mil difference between queen and smoothie, his counterpart.... King is barely higher than jack...

1500 mil... Luffy got here and it seems like a pretty big deal. Above most yonko commanders we know, potentially even above all yonko commanders. At this point you are more than an enemy to the world government, you are an existential threat to it.

2000 mil+... basically yonko level. probably a point at which the world government just can't even with you. At least not without mobilizing an full on army. Your every breath is an affront to the world government. They'd have long buster call your ass at least out of spite if you had the capacity to even feel the lazy mosquito bites cannon balls amount to. Your secretary has a billion belly bounty and feeds your enemies to hungry hyenas between calls. The hyenas probably are worth a few hundred mil each too. Your accountant is worth 750 mil and ended a country by throwing a comically large typewriter at it when an intern's typo unbalanced your accounts by a few cents. Said intern/janitor is worth 120 mil and got the bounty when he defeated a bunch of marine captains by grabbing a marine captain and using him to bludgeon other marine captains.

 

[M3J]

I'm saying though that Luffy's bounty should have gone signficantly up right after Marineford for several reasons:

Dragon's son
Conqueror's Haki
Sworn brother of Ace, son of Roger
Ability to draw people to his side

I mean, his CoC and ability to gain allies impressed people, and Mihawk said that the ability to do the latter is perhaps the most dangerous power. Plus, Akainu did whatever he could to kill Luffy after experiencing his CoC. Dude definitely should have gotten a higher bounty.

 

[XXGenesis]

I'm saying though that Luffy's bounty should have gone signficantly up right after Marineford for several reasons:

Dragon's son
Conqueror's Haki
Sworn brother of Ace, son of Roger
Ability to draw people to his side

I mean, his CoC and ability to gain allies impressed people, and Mihawk said that the ability to do the latter is perhaps the most dangerous power. Plus, Akainu did whatever he could to kill Luffy after experiencing his CoC. Dude definitely should have gotten a higher bounty.

He was weak. To be a significant threat against the WG. You have to be strong.