Discussion Bounties: How are they Attributed?

[Grandmaster Woro]

Nah Sanji isn't his opponent. If Sanji already took out T6H already, Drake isn't much of a challenge at all. He couldn't do much for his Base State. Law takes King if coz he doesnt get the attention he wants. doesn't get him and gets Queen instead while sure Jinbei takes Smoothie for unfinished business. Jinbei has no goal to want be strongest at all. Idk where you got that just base him joining the crew. He won't be that above the M3. Zoro also has Orochi or Kyoshiro, but get feeling he is double-agent so have to wait and see.

Drake is a big challenge
In fact sanji never lands a clean hit to drake.

 

[Fox666]

Drake is a big challenge
In fact sanji never lands a clean hit to drake.

 

[King Moe]

That wasn't even Sanji trying since he was protecting Toko and use Drake like footstool lol.

 

[Fox666]

IMHO Sanji is trying to kick him

It shouldn't be a footstool because it's horizontal

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Much better on fixing it. Don't see Zoro solo anyone if he couldn't beat anyone in his 4 past fights. He needs help and think Sanji and maybe Zoro are only one to reach billions if they do face Queen or King. Oda always have those who they beat get higher bounties. Destined to happen here.

You think Usopp can fight off CPO by himself? That's too much far stretch there.

The fact that you need to change shasha's content shows how much grudge you have for zoro
That was his opinion, there is no need to fix it.

 

[King Moe]

The fact that you need to change shasha's content shows how much grudge you have for zoro
That was his opinion, there is no need to fix it.

Not really. It's for fun and don't think you can judge when you go on every thread to bash others for enjoy Sanji. You got insecurity issues man. Learn to get used to opinions instead of trying to overhype a character who was never unstoppable.

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IMHO Sanji is trying to kick him

It shouldn't be a footstool because it's horizontal

It's more pushing back than serious strike. He can't fight the same when protecting and holding someone as shown when he was holding Luffy.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Not really. It's for fun

Holding grudges is fun for you? Whatever helps to make you sleep at night, i guess

IMHO Sanji is trying to kick him

It shouldn't be a footstool because it's horizontal

This.

Anyway IMO zoro will reach over 1B after wano
Sanji is over 400 million

 

[Fox666]

It's more pushing back than serious strike. He can't fight the same when protecting and holding someone as shown when he was holding Luffy.

Even if Sanji was trying to protect Toko, it doesn't change that Drake was unfazed by his kicks.

So far all Ryu Ryu no Mi users appear to have some crazy durability. For example, Queen could withstand a few hits from Big Mom.

 

[Pirate Queen]

IMHO Sanji is trying to kick him

It shouldn't be a footstool because it's horizontal

Sanji knows how to sky walk so it could have easily have been Sanji kicking off the air to dodge XDake.... the art isn't clear enough to say it was one way or another

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Even if Sanji was trying to protect Toko, it doesn't change that Drake was unfazed by his kicks.

So far all Ryu Ryu no Mi users appear to have some crazy durability. For example, Queen could withstand a few hits from Big Mom.

Sanji didnt have a problem dealing with Page One... I dont think he will have trouble.

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Oh this is a bounty thread lol

 

[ThatOtherGuy]

Here goes my updated prediction:

Luffy: 4.7 BB
Zoro: 1.8 BB
Sanji: 1.4 MB
Jinbe: 1.1 MB
Usopp: 400 MB
Robin: 260 MB
Franky: 188 MB
Brook: 166 MB
Nami: 132 MB
Chopper: 200 B

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Here goes my updated prediction:

Luffy: 4.7 BB
Zoro: 1.8 BB
Sanji: 1.4 BB
Jinbe: 1.1 Bb
Usopp: 400 MB
Robin: 260 MB
Franky: 188 MB
Brook: 166 MB
Nami: 132 MB
Chopper: 200 B

fixed it for you

 

[nik87]

Luffy - 2.8Bil
Zoro - 1.8Bil
Sanji - 1.4-1.5Bil
Jinbe - 1Bil+
Franky - 500mil
Chopper - ~500mil
Robin - ~450mil
Usopp - 400mil
Brook - ~350mil
Nami - ~300mil

 

[Fox666]

I used to think that bounties represent the atrocity of someone's crime.

However, after some consideration, I believe a bounty equals someone's power. This includes someone's fighting potential, military power, etc. Or at least how accurately the Marines can determine it.

The most powerful individuals are given higher bounties because its where the strongest bounty hunters must focus their attention.

Examples:

Luffy's bounty after Arlong Park

Luffy got his first bounty because he attacked the Marine captain Nezumi.

However, Brannew put a bounty of 30 million on Luffy's head because he defeated the most notorious pirates in East Blue.

Luffy's bounty after Arabasta

Luffy disrupted the balance of the three great powers by defeating Crocodile, becoming a matter of subject even for the Gorosei. Despite the world-scale problem he caused, Luffy got a bounty of merely 100 million.

While 100 million seems little for someone strong enough to defeat a Shichibukai, it seems this amount was not far from Luffy's real fighting ability considering how outclassed he was during the war at Marineford.

Luffy's bounty after Ennies Lobby

Luffy learned how to use Gear Second, which vastly increased his fighting strength. His bounty was increased to 300 million.

Luffy's bounty not increasing

Despite defeating Gecko Moriah, attacking a Tenryuubito and destroying a Pacifista, Luffy bounty did not increase. This is because they did not believe his strength changed.

Luffy's bounty after Whole Cake Island

While Luffy performed no crime against the World Government, by conquering a victory at Big Mom's territory, and defeating two of her commanders, Luffy's bounty increased to 1.5 billion.

This is a clear example of how a bounty is closely related to your fighting ability.

Shichibukai bounties

After the Shichibukai system was abandoned, Brannew said they should give them new bounties, despite them being allies to the World Government until then, and technically nothing they did was considered a crime.

Yonko commander's bounties

According to the author, commanders like Katakuri have immense bounties because they act along with their captains, similar to how most Strawhats were given an increase of 50 million after the Dressrosa arc.

Their bounties seem incredible large, with someone like Queen having a bounty of 1.36 billion. In comparison, strong individuals like Jinbe or Eustass Kidd are on the 400 million range. However, I believe the commanders bounties, without the influence of their captains, would not have so much more.

Sum of bounties

According to Brannew, it seems that combining the bounties of two individuals can predict their combined strength too. He pointed out that while no pirate has a bounty surpassing Roger or Whitebeard, Kaido and Big Mom combined bounties are far superior.

New World bounties

It seems hard to believe that Pekoms, Tamago, Pedro, Perosperos and others all did something worse than the attack on Ennies Lobby to deserve a bounty higher than Luffy received after the incident.

However, they are all superior in strength than Luffy was around the time.

Regarding Nico Robin bounty

Robin's bounty is commonly used as an example of how a bounty doesn't equal someone's strength. This includes Aokiji's statement that it also represents someone's threat to the world government.

However, Aokiji words should be read between the lines. The government fabricated a story about Nico Robin destroyed six Marine battleships, to justify a bounty this high.

This means that, normally, a bounty this high would only belong to someone with some feat to justify it.

 

[nik87]

Yes, I always believed they were representing how powerful a foe is, among all other factors that are included but strength should be main factor in most cases.
A distinction should be made between static and dynamic bounties aka established characters whose bounties dont change and new characters fighting for their piece of the pie whose bounties change often. There are also Shichibukais whose bounties are frozen and dont show their full strength.

 

[XXGenesis]

They are assigned for multiple reasons. However the debate should be about which factors matter the most to recieving a high bounty.....& its honestly strength, notoriety & influence.

Jimbei expressed that receiving a bounty over 300k is hard, that it will barely go up even if you resist against the Marine's. Meaning you'll have to do some crazy ass stuff. So within that range county's won't always reflect someone's true power..

When it comes to high Bounties. Strength & notoriety are the main factors.
Commander Bounties- Strength & Yonkou crew member(with past crimes)

Prospero mocks Mink jaguar that his bounty is 300k+ while he's 700k+; there was no way he was stronger.

Dont worry though, Buggy will become a Yonkou by the end of the manga all on influence & name with zero strength feats.

 

[Fox666]

Jimbei expressed that receiving a bounty over 300k is hard, that it will barely go up even if you resist against the Marine's. Meaning you'll have to do some crazy ass stuff. So within that range county's won't always reflect someone's true power..

It seems to make sense. I don't think we have seen any bounty higher than 500 million that wasn't because of association with a Yonko or Dragon.

Prospero mocks Mink jaguar that his bounty is 300k+ while he's 700k+; there was no way he was stronger.

I thought Perosperos was the real deal. He knocked Pedro down quickly, and Pedro decided he should just blow himself up.

Besides Perosperos was the one escorting Pedro out of Big Mom territory in the flashback.

 

[woefdram]

I like to think the bounty is assigned based on how big the threat is the person poses to the government. This obviously includes strength as a factor, but in Luffy's case it involves his acts against the WG or the balance of power in general.

I don't believe bounty = strength as, and I've expanded on this in a previous post, I don't think strength is linear in OP.

 

[XXGenesis]

The threat lv thing mostly still plays into strength. It's the capability someone has to upset the balance of the world or challenge the World Government. This is always done through some sort of violence in On Piece.

Luffy defeats Croc & Baroque Works.100M
Luffy defeats Cp9 & attacks Enies Lobby 300M.

This is where the threat lv & power really work in tandem...Takes out Moria & Punchea Celestial, His blunt doesnt budge aside from getting "wiped out" Luffy's overall threat lv didnt change much.

After this he infiltrates Impel Down; Escapes & Enters the Paramount War, where he rescues Ace. 400M.....Same he showed tenacity, escaped a inescapable jail. Still threat lv wasn't that alarming.

Teams up with Ex Supernova now Warlord & takes out Doffy/Joker. A big player loosely under Kiado's control. 500M

Luffy turns around with only a stamina boost defeats Cracker with some help a 800M bounty....and later pushes through a 1B bounty fight...So Luffy who had a 400M bounty was really 800M worthy all along.

With Morgan's exaggeration of the events of WCI, & news of Luffy's following has up'd his threat lv to a potential Yonkou. Since he's "Spanking 1st seat commanders, making BM "nervous/anxious" & has a big following. 1.5B

Also God Usopp 200M, Influence raise.

 

[kkck]

Sure, but strength is still not the only thing that determines a bounty. Specific feats and role within a crew also play a role here. And it doesn't really serve as a direct comparison between people of different crews. For example, kaido's vs big mom's crew:

King: +1.3 bil (higher than queen's at least)
Queen:: 1.3 bil
Jack: 1 bil

Katakuri: 1.08 bi iirc
smoothie: 930 bil iirc
cracker: 1 bil
snack: 600 mil
Perospero: 700 mil
Daifuku/oven: 300 mil.

Katakuri and king hold similar roles within their crews but king is worth at least hundreds of millions more than katakuri. Queen is worth nearly 50% more than smootie. Katakuri is worth just 80 mil more than jack, the third in kaido's crew. Oven and daifuku are big players in big mom's crew and by extension world affairs and are worth as much as luffy was post ennies lobby.... And worth less than post timeskip luffy. In spite of the fact that either could foderize multiple pre time skip CP9s easily..

 

[Fox666]

Was it ever stated that King is #1, or is that just fan assumption?