Discussion Sanji Discussion Thread

[Shasha23]

It doesnt seem to be out of the realm of possibility for sure.

I think Oda enjoys the Sanji/Zoro rivalry too much for them to be too different power level wise. But we will see.

If that was the case then Oda wouldnt have made Sanji comeback soo much weaker than Zoro after the 2 years, for sure currently Sanji with his combat suit is relative to Zoro again.
Anyway for me i just cant see Oda messing up the world by making countless people ridiculously powerful just for fan service, it wouldnt make sense since thats not the type of writer he is.

 

[Pirate Queen]

If that was the case then Oda wouldnt have made Sanji comeback soo much weaker than Zoro after the 2 years, for sure currently Sanji with his combat suit is relative to Zoro again.
Anyway for me i just cant see Oda messing up the world by making countless people ridiculously powerful just for fan service, it wouldnt make sense since thats not the type of writer he is.

No proof Sanji came back much weaker than Zoro, just assumptions for now... until we get a good 1 v 1 from them

 

[nik87]

I will definitely need lots of popcorn, people are setting themselves up for failure left and right.

 

[Shasha23]

No proof Sanji came back much weaker than Zoro, just assumptions for now... until we get a good 1 v 1 from them

There are multiple examples that prove this, like how weak his CoA compared to Zoro, how he couldn't finish off Vergo in 1 hit with DJ while Zoro beat Pica in 1 hit, how he couldnt push back Doffy while Zoro was casually able to push back Fujitora, etc.
It is pretty apparent that after the time skip Sanji was far behind Luffy and Zoro, but because he is now accepting his heritage as Germa(even though he hates it) he is finally caught up to Zoro and their strength difference in relative again like it was before timeskip.
To be fair it was amazing how well Sanji was able to keep up with Zoro and Luffy who both use weapons to fight while he didnt, sad that Oda took that away from him since he was the only 1 in the crew who didn't rely on weapons in combat and if im not mistaken Garp is the only other strong person who doesnt rely on weapons to fight, wish Oda didnt nerf Sanji just for the sake of the RS and had kept him relative to Luffy and Zoro without needing weapons to fight.

 

[nik87]

There are multiple examples that prove this, like how weak his CoA compared to Zoro, how he couldn't finish off Vergo in 1 hit with DJ while Zoro beat Pica in 1 hit, how he couldnt push back Doffy while Zoro was casually able to push back Fujitora, etc.
It is pretty apparent that after the time skip Sanji was far behind Luffy and Zoro, but because he is now accepting his heritage as Germa(even though he hates it) he is finally caught up to Zoro and their strength difference in relative again like it was before timeskip.
To be fair it was amazing how well Sanji was able to keep up with Zoro and Luffy who both use weapons to fight while he didnt, sad that Oda took that away from him since he was the only 1 in the crew who didn't rely on weapons in combat and if im not mistaken Garp is the only other strong person who doesnt rely on weapons to fight, wish Oda didnt nerf Sanji just for the sake of the RS and had kept him relative to Luffy and Zoro without needing weapons to fight.

I dont think he caught up to Zoro and Luffy, the RS doesnt make him much stronger. It gives him durability and cheap-shot options.
Zoro's lethality cannot be matched by anyone in the crew, definitely not by Sanji. The moment he encounters a CoO user, his biggest asset becomes useless.
There is just constant illusion that Sanji is close to other two monster trio members due to the rank of the opponents he fights but when you look closer to their individual abilities then you see the abyss in between.

 

[Pirate Queen]

There are multiple examples that prove this, like how weak his CoA compared to Zoro, how he couldn't finish off Vergo in 1 hit with DJ while Zoro beat Pica in 1 hit, how he couldnt push back Doffy while Zoro was casually able to push back Fujitora, etc.
It is pretty apparent that after the time skip Sanji was far behind Luffy and Zoro, but because he is now accepting his heritage as Germa(even though he hates it) he is finally caught up to Zoro and their strength difference in relative again like it was before timeskip.
To be fair it was amazing how well Sanji was able to keep up with Zoro and Luffy who both use weapons to fight while he didnt, sad that Oda took that away from him since he was the only 1 in the crew who didn't rely on weapons in combat and if im not mistaken Garp is the only other strong person who doesnt rely on weapons to fight, wish Oda didnt nerf Sanji just for the sake of the RS and had kept him relative to Luffy and Zoro without needing weapons to fight.

Definitely disagree as some points are taken out of context, but we will be seeing pretty soon.

No illusion that Sanji is outside of the realm of being equal to Zoro, even Jinbei. They are the 3 strongest members of the crew for a reason.

All three needed PU's for the coming battle and all three got em so I expect them to as close to eachother as ever and this war is going to give me every oppourtunity to grow even stronger.

 

[Shasha23]

I dont think he caught up to Zoro and Luffy, the RS doesnt make him much stronger. It gives him durability and cheap-shot options.
Zoro's lethality cannot be matched by anyone in the crew, definitely not by Sanji. The moment he encounters a CoO user, his biggest asset becomes useless.
There is just constant illusion that Sanji is close to other two monster trio members due to the rank of the opponents he fights but when you look closer to their individual abilities then you see the abyss in between.

For sure he is still weaker than Zoro but i believe the RS is that much of a power-up, i think it took him from being weaker or equal to Vergo to being at commander level, a power level miles ahead of Vergo.

Definitely disagree as some points are taken out of context, but we will be seeing pretty soon.

No illusion that Sanji is outside of the realm of being equal to Zoro, even Jinbei. They are the 3 strongest members of the crew for a reason.

All three needed PU's for the coming battle and all three got em so I expect them to as close to eachother as ever and this war is going to give me every oppourtunity to grow even stronger.

Sanji, Zoro and Jinbe are fo sure the 3 strongest and they are all at commander level, but like i said Sanji is only on that level because of RS, without it, there is just no way he can hang with Jinbe and Zoro at their level and the manga supports this.

 

[King Moe]

Don't be upset and don't lash out at Zoro. Your beef is not with Zoro or with me, your beef is with Toei but more with yourself actually since you can't blame anyone else for elevating Sanji based on things which he didn't do. Think better next time and use less headcanon, otherwise digging your own grave is all you can expect.

Not upset, it's how it's shown. Zoro needed Haki to beat fodders in anime and Batman own him and Luffy as him and his partner took Otama away. That how it shows. Zoro also been use hype tool for past 4 fights, so if anything Zoro is now trash as shown in anime and Sanji still doing better as he had great fight both anime and manga in beating PO, credible foe to add to his list. Your only one digging your own grave here.

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I dont think he caught up to Zoro and Luffy, the RS doesnt make him much stronger. It gives him durability and cheap-shot options.
Zoro's lethality cannot be matched by anyone in the crew, definitely not by Sanji. The moment he encounters a CoO user, his biggest asset becomes useless.
There is just constant illusion that Sanji is close to other two monster trio members due to the rank of the opponents he fights but when you look closer to their individual abilities then you see the abyss in between.

Nah, he caught up before RS and more above Zoro, but Luffy is above them tat's for sure. Only top fighters now shown is just him and Luffy since Zoro been used poorly this arc like you try to push, but keep coming back to haunt you again and again.

 

[nik87]

Not upset, it's how it's shown. Zoro needed Haki to beat fodders in anime and Batman own him and Luffy as him and his partner took Otama away. That how it shows. Zoro also been use hype tool for past 4 fights, so if anything Zoro is now trash as shown in anime and Sanji still doing better as he had great fight both anime and manga in beating PO, credible foe to add to his list. Your only one digging your own grave here.

Nah, he caught up before RS and more above Zoro, but Luffy is above them tat's for sure. Only top fighters now shown is just him and Luffy since Zoro been used poorly this arc like you try to push, but keep coming back to haunt you again and again.

I cant wait for that Sanji vs King fight.

 

[Deleted member 169696]

As a Sanji fan I was disappointed by the fact that Sanji fled the battlefield, as it was shown in the anime. He ran away without finishing Page One off... Really, it doesn't make any sense. At all. No seriously, what was this all transformation show-off for if he didn't complete the job?

 

[HereNThere]

As a Sanji fan I was disappointed by the fact that Sanji fled the battlefield, as it was shown in the anime. He ran away without finishing Page One off... Really, it doesn't make any sense. At all. No seriously, what was this all transformation show-off for if he didn't complete the job?

It doesn't, especially when you consider the fact that one of Sanji's goals was to lessen the amount of potential threats on Kaido's side. Going by the anime, you'd also think that Kaido had to actually exert himself to beat Luffy, when the manga made it quite clear it was effortless on his part.

I guess you can consider it canon if you want Sanji to look bad, but otherwise, I don't see any reason to consider it the true results of the fight. Plus, given that Drake was so hellbent on finding him later. Really seems like an overeaction on his behalf if Page One was actually alright.

 

[Fox666]

As a Sanji fan I was disappointed by the fact that Sanji fled the battlefield, as it was shown in the anime. He ran away without finishing Page One off... Really, it doesn't make any sense. At all. No seriously, what was this all transformation show-off for if he didn't complete the job?

It was well explained in the story.

Sanji attacked Page One so he would stop attacking the citizens looking for the soba cook.

But Law told him not to fight yet, because they can't get injured before the final battle. Besides Page One would eventually get back-up.

While the result was not shown in the manga, of course he didn't finished his fight with Page One, based on what they talked before.

 

[M3J]

I think that Wano's secrets, history, and how there's also Orochi in the mix makes it almost impossible for Sanji to just unravel it all after stepping off the boat. I'm a proponent of Sanji doing something like this but it's needs to be believable and conserve others' credibility too. He might be able to effect something during the upcoming battle/war. If it's like Marineford, there were some tactics employed by Sengoku and WB iirc and maybe Sanji can do similar. That said he doesn't need to be some tactician lol particularly when he'll be required on the ground as a fighter.

Oh, I was just talking about him outsmarting the enemies and stuff. Sanji can definitely pull off tactics to help the Straw Hats survive like he's done on that island with Dorry and the other giant and when escaping from Enies Lobby. If anything though, it looks like Jinbei plans the start while Sanji does the end part.

As a Sanji fan I was disappointed by the fact that Sanji fled the battlefield, as it was shown in the anime. He ran away without finishing Page One off... Really, it doesn't make any sense. At all. No seriously, what was this all transformation show-off for if he didn't complete the job?

Dunno about anime, but the manga doesn't really show what he did.
The transformation was so no one would figure out who he is, as the goal was to stay lowkey. He fought Page One primarily to protect other vendors from the Yonkou group's wrath as they were looking for him.

 

[King Moe]

As a Sanji fan I was disappointed by the fact that Sanji fled the battlefield, as it was shown in the anime. He ran away without finishing Page One off... Really, it doesn't make any sense. At all. No seriously, what was this all transformation show-off for if he didn't complete the job?

Anime is non-Canon. We shouldn't take it seriously especially if we look back on things they kinda mess up certain things like Batman over Luffy and Zoro for one.

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It doesn't, especially when you consider the fact that one of Sanji's goals was to lessen the amount of potential threats on Kaido's side. Going by the anime, you'd also think that Kaido had to actually exert himself to beat Luffy, when the manga made it quite clear it was effortless on his part.

I guess you can consider it canon if you want Sanji to look bad, but otherwise, I don't see any reason to consider it the true results of the fight. Plus, given that Drake was so hellbent on finding him later. Really seems like an overeaction on his behalf if Page One was actually alright.

Think anime miscommunication on this as doesn't make sense on future chapters later especially how PO gets taken out from the acts with no hint about him around at all. Oda did said anime goes different routes than manga at times. I guess this was one of them, but look more miscommunication though.

 

[thedude]

I think Sanji beat him pretty badly, given how PO wasn't shown later on with Hawkins and Drake in either the bath house or the funeral. He may show up again, but right now, it looks like he's been "cracker"'d out of the story.

 

[Deleted member 169696]

Snaji fled because reinforcements were coming and he would compromise the mission.

Why say "lets lessen their numbers" then? :-)

 

[XXGenesis]

Anime references are not qualified references for the manga section. This is the manga section.

Honestly we can notify a Mod, to end this anime discussion that doesnt belong here.
It's the same as saying Luffy is Yonkou lv because if the anime showing Kaidou actually fighting back when in the manga he wasnt...

 

[thedude]

This is the dumbest argument. Even if it is canon, what we saw in both is Sanji not having difficulty with Page One at all. And yet the anti-Sanji brigade is acting like if only they can prove this...something? Not sure what...but it's very dumb.

As to the poll topic - I'd think all fans of the manga want all the Straw Hats to get more satisfying fights. Other than Luffy, those have been lacking since the time skip. Thankfully this isn't a "run away" arc, so hopefully they all, Sanji, Zorro, Chopper, Franky, everyone!!! gets a good satisfying fight, like they used to get back in the Enies Lobby days!

 

[afromarco005]

There are so many characters in wano that I fear none of them (except maybe luffy and SN) will get a full pre timeskip like fight.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Why were all my posts deleted! It was on topic Sanji performance of Anime vs Mangs canon.

Sanji was the main topic! Nobody was discussing powerlevel but whether Sanji got proper treatment?

What the hell?

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That was a good discussion. Not cool.