Discussion Sanji Discussion Thread

[nik87]

Why were all my posts deleted! It was on topic Sanji performance of Anime vs Mangs canon.

Sanji was the main topic! Nobody was discussing powerlevel but whether Sanji got proper treatment?

What the hell?

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That was a good discussion. Not cool.

Seems like discussing Sanjino is off limits now... At least, in the past, our posts were moved into appropriate thread instead straight deleted...

 

[Shasha23]

Why were all my posts deleted! It was on topic Sanji performance of Anime vs Mangs canon.

Sanji was the main topic! Nobody was discussing powerlevel but whether Sanji got proper treatment?

What the hell?

--- Double Post Merged, Mar 24, 2020, Original Post Date: Mar 24, 2020 ---

That was a good discussion. Not cool.

Probably someone got tilted and used their "authority" to silence you
After we got new mods on the OP threads these past 2+ years have been hell

 

[XXGenesis]

Why were all my posts deleted! It was on topic Sanji performance of Anime vs Mangs canon.

Sanji was the main topic! Nobody was discussing powerlevel but whether Sanji got proper treatment?

What the hell?

--- Double Post Merged, Mar 24, 2020, Original Post Date: Mar 24, 2020 ---

That was a good discussion. Not cool.

Seems like discussing Sanjino is off limits now... At least, in the past, our posts were moved into appropriate thread instead straight deleted...

Seriously, it was good debating and the post were on topic.

This why i Avoid Sanji & others all together...

Constant toxic behavior have lead us down this route...smh..I'm go quarantine and read manga..everyone enjoy

 

[Deleted member 169696]

This is fkn ridiculous. I didn't even say a single word about Sanji's strength/power level, yet my post(s) got deleted for the reason: not the power level thread.

All we were discussing is whether or not it was canon that Sanji has fled the fight with Page One. It is 100% related to Sanji as a character.

 

[thedude]

There are so many characters in wano that I fear none of them (except maybe luffy and SN) will get a full pre timeskip like fight.

I'm bored of the SN's. I prefer their exploits to be off panel, while the characters I've read and followed for 2 decades get their time to shine.

--- Double Post Merged, Mar 24, 2020, Original Post Date: Mar 24, 2020 ---

Probably someone got tilted and used their "authority" to silence you
After we got new mods on the OP threads these past 2+ years have been hell

It's especially annoying because you never answered my question about why you were making up scenes with Drake and Hawkins that didn't exist in the manga or anime!!!!

 

[Shasha23]

It's especially annoying because you never answered my question about why you were making up scenes with Drake and Hawkins that didn't exist in the manga or anime!!!!

Do you know what a theory is?
Look it up and remember this next time, I don't answer dumb questions.

 

[thedude]

Do you know what a theory is?
Look it up and remember this next time, I don't answer dumb questions.

You didn't present a theory about nothing, you presented one around things that didn't happen. Like Drake being "late" and your theory explaining that. But neither in the manga, nor in the anime, was Drake late for anything. Meaning your theory required inventions of your mind!

 

[M3J]

This is fkn ridiculous. I didn't even say a single word about Sanji's strength/power level, yet my post(s) got deleted for the reason: not the power level thread.

All we were discussing is whether or not it was canon that Sanji has fled the fight with Page One. It is 100% related to Sanji as a character.

Probably because whether or not Sanji fled or won is related to his strength.

Anyway, I look forward to seeing Sanji get some tough fights and reestablish why he's part of the Monster Trio.

 

[King Moe]

Probably because whether or not Sanji fled or won is related to his strength.

Anyway, I look forward to seeing Sanji get some tough fights and reestablish why he's part of the Monster Trio.

He still is M3 status, I mean in same arc, Luffy and Zoro haven't done better than him in beating powerful opponent as PO so far (especially the latter). Though hopefully this becomes like Enies Lobby and they get pushed to their limits and come out on top as hope fights will be that way for them to get stronger than ever before.

 

[M3J]

That has to be proven beyond doubt for the people who doubt he's still in the Monster Trio power range.

It should be, given they'll be going up against tougher opponents later on.

 

[thedude]

That has to be proven beyond doubt for the people who doubt he's still in the Monster Trio power range.

It should be, given they'll be going up against tougher opponents later on.

I doubt Oda would "Yamcha" Sanji, so that's why I think he's still in the monster trio range (Luffy>Zoro>=Sanji), which will hopefully be a monster 4 when Jinbe arrives. But Like you, I'm waiting for good fights for him (and all SH's), since none of them, save for Luffy, have had any post time skip. It's gotten a little annoying in that way!

 

[Fox666]

It's called the Worf effect. Sanji has been defeated a few times to prove that the danger is real.

 

[King Moe]

It's called the Worf effect. Sanji has been defeated a few times to prove that the danger is real.

Zoro and the rest of the strawhats as well, but Sanji never got beat by anyone. He only lost to Doffy, but he didn't know his powers much. Everyone else he fought back or fights didn't end out of something.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

but Sanji never got beat by anyone. He only lost to Doffy

Your second sentence already contradicts your first argument

 

[Fox666]

Zoro and the rest of the strawhats as well, but Sanji never got beat by anyone. He only lost to Doffy, but he didn't know his powers much. Everyone else he fought back or fights didn't end out of something.

Sanji was beaten a few times to show how strong the enemy is. Plus stuff like spending the Whole Cake Island dodging instead of fighting.

Zoro on the other hand was defeated by opponents like Mihawk, Kuma or Fujitora. And these cases are used to elevate him.

Even when they don't end the fights, it still looks way worse for Sanji.

And I'm not asking if these cases are justified, they are - that's the point of the Worf effect. But still makes it look bad for him.

 

[King Moe]

Your second sentence already contradicts your first argument

Nah, I said it's still true and your not reading post how it was said. Plus didn't mods said stop posting to each other again?

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Sanji was beaten a few times to show how strong the enemy is. Plus stuff like spending the Whole Cake Island dodging instead of fighting.

Zoro on the other hand was defeated by opponents like Mihawk, Kuma or Fujitora. And these cases are used to elevate him.

Even when they don't end the fights, it still looks way worse for Sanji.

And I'm not asking if these cases are justified, they are - that's the point of the Worf effect. But still makes it look bad for him.

He never lost a fight in WCI. What you talking about? If you mean with Judge or his brothers, those were cheated scenarios where Judge uses clones to get involve to protect his attack and pierce through them and Niji use blackmail after getting damage so hard from his kick. He beaten Yonji, Bobbin, and Raisin while fighting off Daifuku and Oven off quite handly.

Same effect apply to Zoro and rest of strawhats if we going as that. It doesn't make him look bad if there no ending to a fight. Your exaggerating a bit there.

Nah he lost to fodder enemies like getting capture by New Cushman Pirates, Yeti Brothers knock him out, Carrot got better of him, Got hype tool 4 times in current arc while Sanji devasted PO and fight off Drake.

Zoro been looking weaker, not stronger. Idk where you get idea on that when he beaten no one credible through NW.

 

[Fox666]

Again, I'm not asking if someone can defend Sanji in those cases. I'm sure in most cases they can be explained.

Just like Worf is not the weakest crew member of the Enterprise because he's knocked down every time a villain appear on the episode.

However doesn't change that Oda use Sanji as a mean to prove that the villains are dangerous. There's a reason why he was the one defeated by Doflamingo.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Worfeffect is real. "Their dangerous, but not unbeatable!"

The problem with Zoro and Sanjis defeats is: Mihawk is arguably the strongest Samurai, Zoro faced him at the start of the journey... and still impressed him.
Kuma appeared after two exhausting fights for Zoro, he still put on a fight, gained his repects and got one of the most badassscenes ever.
Against Fujitora he didnt even lost. His attack hit him, Zoro fought back and released himself from it. Gaining again: Fujitoras respect.

Even in defeat Zoro always gained respect from his opponent. Same goes for Sanji vs. Doflamingo, but he got stomped immediatly after the compliment which is weird.

Page One is still a crime. A Panel with shocked faces and a bubble: "he beat him effortlessy! what are those guys!" Would have been hype, instead we get a nonconclusion without seeing the end. Is it in the anime better, or are they not there yet?

 

[King Moe]

Again, I'm not asking if someone can defend Sanji in those cases. I'm sure in most cases they can be explained.

Just like Worf is not the weakest crew member of the Enterprise because he's knocked down every time a villain appear on the episode.

However doesn't change that Oda use Sanji as a mean to prove that the villains are dangerous. There's a reason why he was the one defeated by Doflamingo.

Yes I agree with that. Though to be honest that Sanji's only lost in NW and he didn't know to combat his powers since first time. Plus even Law lost to him and Zoro was no match for the Birdcage. Doflamingo was using many to hype himself up and only Luffy to stop him in the end only. No shame on Sanji losing to someone like that.

He hasn't use him like that since especially this arc he did opposite and pushing again Zoro being used to hype up the enemies from what we seen.

--- Double Post Merged, Mar 28, 2020, Original Post Date: Mar 27, 2020 ---

Worfeffect is real. "Their dangerous, but not unbeatable!"

The problem with Zoro and Sanjis defeats is: Mihawk is arguably the strongest Samurai, Zoro faced him at the start of the journey... and still impressed him.
Kuma appeared after two exhausting fights for Zoro, he still put on a fight, gained his repects and got one of the most badassscenes ever.
Against Fujitora he didnt even lost. His attack hit him, Zoro fought back and released himself from it. Gaining again: Fujitoras respect.

Even in defeat Zoro always gained respect from his opponent. Same goes for Sanji vs. Doflamingo, but he got stomped immediatly after the compliment which is weird.

Page One is still a crime. A Panel with shocked faces and a bubble: "he beat him effortlessy! what are those guys!" Would have been hype, instead we get a nonconclusion without seeing the end. Is it in the anime better, or are they not there yet?

They admired their strong will and fighting desire. They are strong, but Zoro and Sanji weren't going to beat them, but amazed by efforts by them. Shouldn't mean they won't get stronger or hold anyone back though.

We don't need to see result to know what happen in a fight as context and heavily implied shows that. Like BB vs Ace and Admirals vs RA Commanders. Hints and later context show who was truly stronger out of it. PO never return, stop terrozing others, and haven't been discussed much at all by Law and Sanji who stated more he needs to be wipe out. If they knew he was around, they be discussion to the crew about it, but just been everyone even enemy side stop talking about him. So a lot showing in manga is that he beat him and Anime probably miscommunicate again on how fight should go like Batman over Luffy and Zoro and extended fight with Luffy and Kaido.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Nah he lost to fodder enemies like getting capture by New Cushman Pirates, Yeti Brothers knock him out, Carrot got better of him, Got hype tool 4 times in current arc while Sanji devasted PO and fight off Drake.

Zoro been looking weaker, not stronger. Idk where you get idea on that when he beaten no one credible through NW.

this topic is not about zoro, stop going off-topic. Moderators have been calling out this kind of toxic behaviour
Stop doing this, king moe

sanji clearly doesn't devastate PO, PO was landing attack to sanji too